Lindsay - General Discussion

[ItsHelloPattiagain]

It's a good thing I'm not Lindsay's life coach - I would be waking her ass up at 8 AM and flipping her mattress to knock her out of bed to start the day. To paraphrase, "Idle hands are the addict's workshop". I agree with Merylinkid, she needs a schedule for EVERY DAY and needs to adhere to it. 

 

Just wondering. . . is anybody really bothered by all the crap lying around Lindsay's apartment? It's been mentioned before but it's like an episode of Hoarders - I find myself so incredibly uncomfortable watching all the clothes and the purses and other crap - and Lindsay just goes through a few things, tries them on and back on the floor/in the boxes. If her environment is so chaotic, IMHO it reflects where her head is. 

 

And the life coach probably lit a few candles cos the place smelled like cigarettes, donuts and booty (thank you, Snoop Dog/Lion for the perfect quote). As for the life coach talking about stuff in front of the cameras - lest we forget LINDSAY signed up to do a reality show. There are cameras. They are not looking for fake shiny organized Lindsay because she doesn't exist, no matter how much Lindsay wants to believe she is real. I keep saying it over and over again, but if Lindsay didn't want people to see her life, then don't sign on the dotted line and get the big bucks from Oprah. Give the money back, break the contract and "work on your sobriety" (cough,cough) in private;. 

[iwasish]

She's a delusional fucking mess. Loved the Indonesian lady calling her a bitch! Too bad she didn't do it to her face.

Her brother? Another dick. His big worry if she relapses? Her career. How about she might die you idiot!

Lindsay filming herself? I bet she thinks she can use it as an audition tape. I can sit in my living room and whip up tears too.

Oh and she knows all about photography and natural light and posing cause she's a pro. And a stylist! If it wasn't for her the shoot would have been an epic fail!! No interview, she has plans!

Edited April 14, 2014 by iwasish

[ThreeFarmers]

The best part about this show is that they devote so much time to Lindsay and Dina trying to manipulate what the crew films. Dina is such a pro she can't figure out that just because she steps into the next room doesn't mean her mike isn't still on. 

Her brother kept saying he just wants her to be happy. The poor sap doesn't see that everyone letting Lindsay do what makes her "happy" is what has made her the way she is in the first place.

The editing on this show is really bad and choppy as hell. I assume it's because they probably don't have much decent footage to use.

[Beden]

 

Her brother kept saying he just wants her to be happy. The poor sap doesn't see that everyone letting Lindsay do what makes her "happy" is what has made her the way she is in the first place.

Well yes but I'm even going to give the brother the benefit of the doubt by believing that he actually wants what's best for his fucked up big sister. Okay, he was also raised in a majorly screwed up family and doesn't seem to have much real reality to compare to so he's three steps back but I'll accept that he loves his sister but doesn't have the education, training or experience to have the first clue as to help her.

And I also loved the Indonesian woman's comments and couldn't help wondering if LL--singing her own praises after she totally screwed up the photoshoot and blew off the interview--ever watched the finsihed episodes and how many excuses she made as to why none of this--or anything--was her fault. I think we can assume.

[iwasish]

The best part about this show is that they devote so much time to Lindsay and Dina trying to manipulate what the crew films. Dina is such a pro she can't figure out that just because she steps into the next room doesn't mean her mike isn't still on. 

Her brother kept saying he just wants her to be happy. The poor sap doesn't see that everyone letting Lindsay do what makes her "happy" is what has made her the way she is in the first place.

The editing on this show is really bad and choppy as hell. I assume it's because they probably don't have much decent footage to use.

If her brother wanted to help her, he needs to get his ass over to her apartment and kick those Russian assholes out the door. But that's not going to happen because Lindsay doesn't want it to. If he tried, she'd be pissed as hell.  Regardless, he is trading on his connection to her to make a name for himself.

Her attitude of entitlement and superiority is just mindboggling.  These people come from around the world to give her a chance and she just blithely fucks them over and then over again? And her smug little "word to the wise" for the photographer? He did miracles with what he had to work with. Greasy, dirty, hung over, out of shape and orange.. the lighting was the least of his problems. I wish she fell over the balcony. Her demise is inevitable anyway.

[PityFree]

Well, I am still waiting for the COOKING she was so excited about during her Letterman interview.

I really wanted the Elle people to tell her to f-off and not include her in the issue instead of rescheduling with her. They were in NY - I am sure that with a phone call or two they could have lined up another model/actress. (Also, I really hope they accounted for all the clothing - I would not be surprised if Lindsay tried to steal some of the clothing they brought.) I am floored that she refused the magazine interview - she flushed potentially good PR down the toilet.

Lindsay is a stylist? Then why does she always look like a hobo? She has awful taste, cannot put together an outfit, and is unwashed and smelly looking.

How is she an expert in everything? She doesn't realize that if she had shown up on time, there would have been plenty of light and lots of preplanned outfits. She throws a wrench in everyone else's plans - but suddenly she thinks she has saved the day by using a pair of her own shoes?

I am shocked that people pay for her to make appearances. And $100k? Please. I was really sad that she managed to get payment from the casino. It won't be long until there are people who want to pay her to *not* show up at things.

ETA: She has no concept that, although she thought of the magazine feature as unpaid, it was worth thousands and thousands of dollars in publicity. JUst like the lingerie commercial she was going to do as a favor several episodes ago. I heard she got angry when she realized that  she wasn't the star of the commercial (one of the other models was) and that is why she had a hissy about the job changing. Just because it doesn't directly produce drug money doesn't mean that she didn't benefit.

Edited April 14, 2014 by PityFree

[PityFree]

I really want Oprah to do a follow-up episode after this show ends. In my fantasty, the follow-up episode would feature Lindsay and Dina tearfully arguing with the landlord as Lindsay is evicted and he starts to pile her junk up on the sidewalk.

[Tara Ariano]

Well, I am still waiting for the COOKING she was so excited about during her Letterman interview.

Ha, I thought the same thing! In the shot where her brother (I guess? I wasn't paying full attention) was dancing in the foreground and she was in the kitchen behind him, I thought maybe we were going to see her whipping up a casserole.

[ExplainItAgain]

I'm pretty sure Lindsay's "cooking" consisted of ordering that greasy pizza.

[Stinger97]

Maybe she meant meth?

My boyfriend was super into Lindsay before this show. He knew she was a train wreck, but he rooted for her. He wanted her to get better. He wanted her to make a comeback. But after watching all of the episodes, he's joined me in finding her totally disgusting. She's a self-centered, narcissistic airhead and, unfortunately, her parents haven't helped the situation. 

Speaking of, I was cringing watching Dina trying to manipulate the situation and the cameramen during the sit down with the ghostwriter. Dina is a loon who needs to be locked up herself. She's done her daughter no favors and, if Lindsay's life ends in tragedy, it'll be because her parents failed her. 

(Can you tell I really hate her parents?)

[JanetMacklin]

That "deeply emotive" crying(?) Lindsay filmed was terrifying. She looked exactly like a frog, or someone whose face just froze that way. I'm sure they agreed to let her film herself in hopes she'd speak honestly. Instead they got her walking around a dark room, looking like she'd accidentally left the camera on. Also, those tights in the tearful frog scene made her legs look gigantic.

The photog whose expertise is natural light is not deficient, Linds. That's the aesthetic that the magazine wants. Which is their decision, not yours. Repeat: Their decision, not yours. I can't believe her glib remarks about being the stylist. If she hadn't screwed the magazine out of several shoot days, they'd have clothes to offer! I wish that photographer would have taken her squarely by the shoulders and said a firm "No way" to shooting on the street at night. Like they were at her beck and call.

That Foxwoods "red carpet" was just...sad. And she spent all of two seconds there. Man, she has fallen far. Deservedly. .

Watching her Russian guests I thought to myself:What do these people actually do that makes them worthy of friendship? At all.

Edited April 14, 2014 by JanetMacklin

[Stinger97]

I thought it was odd that she and her Russian friends were up at 7am, playing Dare (straight to the "fun" part, no time for truth) and stabbing one another in the ear. It looked to me that they were likely intoxicated and had been awake all night. Is that really the kind of people she should be hanging out with after the umpteenth stint in rehab?  I just don't get her.

[iwasish]

Listening to her order Matt to get the camera from the pap and demanding the driver run a red light just to amp up the drama that SHE created by first shaking her half covered ass out the window so the paps would see her and then thinking she was so artistically creative strutting down the street in white mom jeans(?) and making sultry fuck me faces for the photographer, made me want to puke. Bitch has no sense of consideration for anyone or anything. Who were those random Russians and how many did she fuck that morning? That's what she chooses to film on her own? There is something fundamentally wrong with her. I see her wigging out like Natalie Wood in Splendor in the Grass or  Frances Farmer, the crazy actress from way back, I think she ended up with a lobotomy or even Patty Duke in Valley of the Dolls. I think of that scene where they have her zipped up to her neck in the tub and she manages to make a hole in the canvas with her toe and tries to escape. She needs to be committed. Really. Seriously. But not till after this train wreck is over cause I can't wait to see how low she'll go.  Never have I seen a person with so little, none actually, consideration for others. It's all Lilo, all the time.

[Tara Ariano]

Sarah wrote an amazing post about the episode. Lindsay, you got GOT.

Sarah's right that what Lindsay needs most is consequences. She won't seek or accept help if she thinks she's fine.

[Sarah D. Bunting]

I really hope Oprah puts her money where her timeslot is and cuts a bitch verbally in the finale.

[Tara Ariano]

oooooooh! I wonder if she'd think it has more impact for her return to be a surprise, or if she'd hype it to Jesus. Either way, I hope there's a post-season special!

[GST]

She's a delusional fucking mess. Loved the Indonesian lady calling her a bitch! Too bad she didn't do it to her face.

Her brother? Another dick. His big worry if she relapses? Her career. How about she might die you idiot!

Lindsay filming herself? I bet she thinks she can use it as an audition tape. I can sit in my living room and whip up tears too.

Oh and she knows all about photography and natural light and posing cause she's a pro. And a stylist! If it wasn't for her the shoot would have been an epic fail!! No interview, she has plans!

Her brother is not a dick. I think you're being way to harsh on him. He's actually a good person and looks after her. He's a very smart businessman and he's helping her out in businesses he's involved in. I know he said he fears a relapse and there goes her career but it doesn't mean he doesn't care about her health first, it's just how the interview was structured and maybe how it was edited. In the end he said he wants to see her happy and when she's struggling with addiction she's not and looked pretty somber about it. I thought it was good to see someone in her family different than her mother and father, had enough of them.

[BucFan]

I noticed when they had a shot of Dina bouncing on the couch at the Foxwoods Halloween Party - The Wonderful Bobby Zarin was sitting next to her- Burp

[iwasish]

Her brother is not a dick. I think you're being way to harsh on him. He's actually a good person and looks after her. He's a very smart businessman and he's helping her out in businesses he's involved in. I know he said he fears a relapse and there goes her career but it doesn't mean he doesn't care about her health first, it's just how the interview was structured and maybe how it was edited. In the end he said he wants to see her happy and when she's struggling with addiction she's not and looked pretty somber about it. I thought it was good to see someone in her family different than her mother and father, had enough of them.

I'm sorry but I disagree, if her brother cared about Lindsay, first and foremost, he'd have advised her not to be doing red carpet shit and appearances where alcohol is so widely available. Lindsay herself said the presence of alcohol made her nervous, contradicting herself, because she had also said being around friends drinking and in bars didn't bother her. She is a major fucked up girl, instead of lackeys and paid help, why isn't he there for her! Why not help her unpack all her shit? He's trading on her name as much as her folks. Not saying he doesn't love her, but his priorities are as whack as hers.

[Beden]

 

Is that really the kind of people she should be hanging out with after the umpteenth stint in rehab?  I just don't get her.

After the umpteenth failed stint in rehab who else would party with her at 7 AM?

[GST]

Post show she's still in the SoHo apartment and she's doing talk shows. She was in 2 Broke Girls last night and I thought she did a good job with her character. She went to Coachella and despite some gossip story of her being drunk, there were many people posting on twitter and instagram that took pictures with her and said otherwise (as a rule, I do not believe most gossip stories, especially from anonymous "sources"). Ali Lohan is nowhere near a trainwreck, again, don't read gossip stories and look at instagram/twitter and she's level-headed, responsible, totally professional in her modeling work, understated, a really different person from her sister, mother and father.

 

I don't hold much hope out for Lindsay. She still clubs, she just says things that sound like she's saying what should be said and hangs around the same people or type of people she always has. I think her mother Dina is a mess and her father can't stay away from talking into cameras.

[GST]

I'm sorry but I disagree, if her brother cared about Lindsay, first and foremost, he'd have advised her not to be doing red carpet shit and appearances where alcohol is so widely available. Lindsay herself said the presence of alcohol made her nervous, contradicting herself, because she had also said being around friends drinking and in bars didn't bother her. She is a major fucked up girl, instead of lackeys and paid help, why isn't he there for her! Why not help her unpack all her shit? He's trading on her name as much as her folks. Not saying he doesn't love her, but his priorities are as whack as hers.

And he probably did. And you don't know all of his priorities from one show. You're rushing to judge him but if you knew more about all of what he's done for her through the years, you'd know that his priority is to support her even in some of the bad decisions she's made. He can't stop her from being in bad situations. She's 27, he's 26, he can only suggest things for her and she doesn't listen to anyone, including her parents, life coach, anyone. Only Oprah sometimes can make her listen to sound advice.

[PityFree]

Because I am apparently a glutton for punishment, I watched the Two Broke Girls episode. I'd never seen the show before. The sitcom was awful and Lindsay helped it be awful. That drunk can't act at all. It appeared as though she was barely able to remember lines - much less say them with any inflection or emotion. It looked like she was trying to read cue cards - but I am not even sure if they use cue cards for that type of show. Her over inflated lips seemed to make her speaking difficult. If Lindsay gave the people involved in the show trouble (and I believe that she did - despite denials by the cast) it was not worth it for that poor performance. Total stunt casting -- which is all she'll ever get from now on. 

[PityFree]

I forgot to mention that she'd better start being very careful about whom she allows into her apartment (or goes home with) when she is out partying. I'd bet money that she had only met those Russians that night or only knew them as sources for drugs. One day she's going to trust the wrong person and that is how she'll meet her tragic end. High/drunk strangers with knives alone in your house? Yeah, that's safe. 

Edited April 15, 2014 by PityFree

[Kromm]

See, I disagree that she can't act.  She's no genius, but she has always had a charm level that HELPED her get away with stuff, and I don't think that's completely abandoned her.  I haven't seen the 2 Broke Girls thing yet, but I saw her on Fallon's show.  I saw her last year on Chelsea Lately.  You could see the stub of talent there and understand why people might buy for short periods there was a chance (which there wasn't, but I'm talking about the illusion of one).

 

So yeah lets not confuse that with any actual ability for her to be a real actor in a real project.  It means she does deliver somewhat, that she's able to turn it on for a few minutes a shot, or maybe rarely even a few hours a shot, and it makes her fate sadder--because you can then perceive how good she might have been in another life, with other parents, and if she wasn't a total incurable addict/trainwreck. 

[ItsHelloPattiagain]

 

Lindsay filming herself? I bet she thinks she can use it as an audition tape. I can sit in my living room and whip up tears too.

When one of my kids was about 4-5, when she would start crying, she would run down the hall and look at herself crying in the bathroom mirror. I swear that's what Lindsay reminded me of. 

Lindsay is delusional - she has internalized everything she's heard in rehab and she can spout it line by line, but she's not putting any of it in practice. In what 12 step book is having Russians stabbing each other in the ears in your kitchen at 7AM after a night of drinking (I assume they were drinking because one was drinking wine out of the bottle in the kitchen and who wakes up thinking "hey, let's dare somebody into sticking a knife through his ear"!)

I don't get the whole candle lighting/ meditation thing. Sure you can light a candle and "meditate" but what peace can be found in a nasty cigarette-hazed cluttery living room? 

The Indonesians were cracking me up. And how dare Lindsay spout off about the photographer? If you're hired for a job, you bow in deference to the artistic director at that point. Maybe if she'd shown up on time, the natural light she was so annoyed about would have been better. And did anybody notice how white her arms were during the session? I guess staying out of tanning beds does that to you. 

[GST]

Some more on Lindsay is she'll be on the View on Friday co-hosting, I saw some instagram pictures that she taped the show today. She'll be on a show on Bravo on Wednesday night. Her documentary finale is Sunday where both episodes 7 and 8 will be shown.

 

I think Lindsay has some deeper issues than being an addict and the substance addiction, excessive shopping, hoarding and all that are symptoms of it. And I don't think she's serious yet about working on those problems in any real way.

[PityFree]

How is it that she is able to be on time for a show like The View  or David Letterman but not for other jobs? Or is she late and they cover/make excuses for her?

 

She is probably basking in the attention she is getting right now for all of the OWN-show publicity. I wonder what will happen to her next week when her schedule is empty again.

 

ETA: HA! Radar Online says that Lindsay had a viewing party for the OWN docu-series this past weekend and report that she was wasted. So much for a comeback.

Edited April 25, 2014 by Rhondinella

[Frost]

I read that Oprah has officially decided against a second season of Lindsay.  Apparently the ratings have been dismal.  It would truly be scary if she ever actually considered a second season!

[GST]

I read that Oprah has officially decided against a second season of Lindsay.  Apparently the ratings have been dismal.  It would truly be scary if she ever actually considered a second season!

There was never a planned season, it was an 8 part documentary on Lindsay. I have no idea where Daily Mail got the impression there were to be "seasons" of the show. Just like Shania Twain, Fergie (Sarah Furguson), Tatum O'Neal, the documentaries were in 1-hour segments for a fixed amount of weeks and that's all that was ever planned.

Edited April 17, 2014 by GST

[Tara Ariano]

Lindsay stays busy in New York with a photo shoot, an app launch party, and pitching her book to publishers; she then heads to Sundance to announce her new movie; afterward, Lindsay spares some time for reflection.

[sleepyjean]

One detail I found interesting was when she missed the first day of shooting and sent her "representative" over to day she wasn't coming, part of the message was "please don't hate me." That tells me two things. First, she knows she is inconveniencing everyone. That's news to me, because most of the time she behaves as if she's completely unaware when she's screwing up everyone else's situation. "Please don't hate me" says that she knows and does not care. Second, she actually thinks "please don't hate me" fixes everything. As if that's any sort of apology. As if saying it means they can't be angry with her. This is how children and friends speak to each other. "Don't be mad, but..." This is NOT how professionals who barely know each other communicate with each other.

[iwasish]

I think they meant she spent some time looking at her reflection in a glass of vodka.

[ThreeFarmers]

While I believe Lindsay's parents failed her (and continue to do so) completely. I don't believe they are fully to blame for all of Lindsay's problems. People rise above their upbringing everyday. There are plenty of quality men and women out there who grew up in situations much worse than Lindsay's and they were smart enough to recognize their situation, take control of their own paths and do well for themselves. 

Yes, Lindsay's parents failed her; then Lindsay failed herself. 

[Beden]

 

There are plenty of quality men and women out there who grew up in situations much worse than Lindsay's and they were smart enough to recognize their situation, take control of their own paths and do well for themselves.

Yes, Lindsay's parents failed her; then Lindsay failed herself.

Yes, thank you. I won't bore everyone with a drawn out story but I know my father, like his parents before him, went through stuff which amaze me in their level of unimaginable horror but came through educated, intelligent, professionally sucessful, sane and with happy and stable families.

LL's problems may not have started with her but she hasn't begun to deal other than to drug herself into oblivion despite numerous chances to straighten up and cope in big girl panties. The onus is now on her.

Edited April 18, 2014 by Beden

[jenifaohjenny]

I think at this point Lindsay cannot turn down gigs like Foxwoods (even though there is alcohol present) because she seems to need the money.  

She really is a horrible human being.  I am not sure why I enjoy watching her so much!?

[GST]

While I believe Lindsay's parents failed her (and continue to do so) completely. I don't believe they are fully to blame for all of Lindsay's problems. People rise above their upbringing everyday. There are plenty of quality men and women out there who grew up in situations much worse than Lindsay's and they were smart enough to recognize their situation, take control of their own paths and do well for themselves. 

Yes, Lindsay's parents failed her; then Lindsay failed herself.

It shows in Lindsay's own family. Her brother is 26, sister 20, and another brother 17 and none of them show the issues that Lindsay shows. In fact, they are all productive and without drama. So Michael and Dina, while not being good people, still have 3 children that aren't messing up their lives. Lindsay has failed herself up to now and has blown some of her chances to turn things around. But she can still change, she's still young. I don't think people should give up on her, some others in entertainment didn't turn things around until they were in their 30s or 40s.

[glowlights]

Lindsay now claims that her infamous list of male celebrities is actually an exercise from doing the 5th AA step when she was at Betty Ford, and that someone from the OWN production saw it while she was moving, took a photo and leaked it. Yeah.

 

According to AA, the 5th step is: admit to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrong. This has nothing to do with writing out names of celebrities on a Scattergories list.

 

I guess it's easier to throw nasty allegations at a television crew (from a show that paid all her living expenses during filming) than to learn anything in AA.

[glowlights]

Never have I seen a person with so little, none actually, consideration for others. It's all Lilo, all the time.

You just summed up the basic character of an addict. :) Also, some personality disorders.

One thing rehab has taught her is that she can get away with blaming her childhood any time she screws up. She missed that meeting with DeVon Franklin and skipped out on the Elle photo shoot because when she was little she used to stay up all night waiting for her dad (mother?) to come home and so her sleep pattern is disordered? Couldn't possibly be because she failed to do what was needed to keep to the schedule like the adult she is. No, it's her parents' fault. Great work, Cliffside Malibu!

Dina's ghostwriter is a saint.

[PityFree]

So, if that sex list only came out last month (March), that means this show was still filming last month? WHAT?? Why aren't there more episodes? With more interesting stuff to show? How did they miss taping so much time - rhetorical question, I know: it's because of Lindsay. But still - they didn't film during the holidays? New Year's, Valentine's, etc.? So, we got the Halloween party, the Elle shoot near Nov. 20th and then a HUGE gap. Was it that Lindsay didn't let them film or was it that the only stuff they were able to capture was even more boring than Unpacking The Boxes? 

This show's time frame seems so odd.  

[iwasish]

It shows in Lindsay's own family. Her brother is 26, sister 20, and another brother 17 and none of them show the issues that Lindsay shows. In fact, they are all productive and without drama. So Michael and Dina, while not being good people, still have 3 children that aren't messing up their lives. Lindsay has failed herself up to now and has blown some of her chances to turn things around. But she can still change, she's still young. I don't think people should give up on her, some others in entertainment didn't turn things around until they were in their 30s or 40s.

Not so sure about the youngest brother, isn't he the one who expects Dad or Lindsay to buy him a 40k car? I get wanting one, but expecting one from a father who doesn't seem able to support himself let alone a couple illegitimate kids or from his recently rehabbed sister isn't exactly a sign of maturity.

[GST]

Not so sure about the youngest brother, isn't he the one who expects Dad or Lindsay to buy him a 40k car? I get wanting one, but expecting one from a father who doesn't seem able to support himself let alone a couple illegitimate kids or from his recently rehabbed sister isn't exactly a sign of maturity.

He's 17. Is he getting in trouble? Is he getting into fights or anything like that. It's no big deal that if what Lindsay and her father say is true that they offered him a car and he picked one at 48K. What would be a problem is him being reckless and misbehaving. Conrad Hilton was arrested for a DUI at 17 after crashing his car in a residential neighborhood and he was possessing marijuana. Talullah Willis was caught drinking when she was 17. Demi Lovato got into trouble by striking someone when she was 17. Lindsay got in trouble at 18/19. I was looking at serious bad behavior and saying Lindsay's siblings don't exhibit any and that's notable seeing that so many people blame her parents for her own bad behavior and they have their own bad behavior. I don't expect young people to be perfect, just stay out of any serious trouble. And Lindsay's siblings have.

Edited April 19, 2014 by GST

[glowlights]

I think her allegation is that someone took a photo of her Betty Ford 5th Step Scattergories List when they filmed her moving last fall, but whoever had the photo waited until last month to leak it.

 

A more plausible explanation is that Lindsay herself leaked it for publicity. Or it was left at a bar as originally reported and Lindsay is full of crap.

[iwasish]

Didn't she also tell Andy she is still living in the same apartment?

[sleepyjean]

What I wouldn't give for a peek at her finances. Or even just her bookings. Is she living exclusively off of gigs like foxwoods? Apparently hosting parties is quite lucrative for C and D list celebs.

[PityFree]

Ha ha... love that Miley blew her off and wouldn't meet with her.

[DowntonStabby]

While I believe Lindsay's parents failed her (and continue to do so) completely. I don't believe they are fully to blame for all of Lindsay's problems. People rise above their upbringing everyday. There are plenty of quality men and women out there who grew up in situations much worse than Lindsay's and they were smart enough to recognize their situation, take control of their own paths and do well for themselves. 

Yes, Lindsay's parents failed her; then Lindsay failed herself. 

Agreed. My husband's parents were addicted to heroin growing up (though, to be fair, his mother was sexually abused by her father growing up, so he thinks her turning to heroin may have been part of her way of dealing with flashbacks or other bad feelings associated with the sexual abuse; I think his father basically turned to it because his mother did), and he and his two siblings have either graduated from college or are in college right now. (In my husband's case, he graduated salutatorian of his high school class and got a full academic scholarship--room and board included--to college--something that isn't done very often unless you're a fucking genius like he is.) But I think a big reason why my husband and his siblings have done as well as they've done is due to his grandparents and other extended family stepping in growing up. Not every child of an addict is fortunate enough to have an extended family member around who's a positive influence to counteract the chaos that's going on at home. 

[ItsHelloPattiagain]

Gaaah, my dang DVR didn't record this! Anybody know where I can watch it for free? I figure I'm invested in all the previous episodes so far.

 

And IMHO Miley should watch herself and not act as if Lindsay is beneath her. . . I'm sure Lindsay didn't think when she was Miley's age that she'd be a hot has-been mess only a few years later. 

[sleepyjean]

As soon as she said the word miscarriage, my immediate response was "I don't believe her."  I figure she sat down and tried to think of what excuse she could come up with, that would generate the most sympathy, elicit the fewest questions, required no evidence or proof whatsoever, and would not require her to display any lasting physical effects or ongoing illness/symptoms. Miscarriage fits the bill nicely. Nobody is going to grill her about a miscarriage.

 

I didn't even "sort of" believe her. Due in large part to the completely indifferent way she tossed that out, and the way she said it, and then deliberately paused for reaction. She didn't even bat an eye when some naive person off camera gasped "I'm so sorry!"

I would believe an abortion, however. Miscarriage is just the sort of manipulative half-truth that's right up Lindsay's alley.

Edited April 25, 2014 by Rhondinella

[merylinkid]

Sleepyjean, I had the exact same reaction.    A miscarriage is a horrible thing to go through.   But somehow, I just did not believe she ever had this happen to her.  ANd to make up something like that is a slap in the face to all women who have actually suffered one.