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S01.E08: Isle Of Joy

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Morrigan2575

Morrigan2575

Hmm, they're still doing the White/Red theme for Fisk and Matt. We also add some blue for Bullseye. The penultimate episode wasn't a disappointment, but I can't help but wonder what Vanessa was so worried about that she out a hit on Foggy.

I really think Matt just gave into his anger with Bullseye, The Devil is coming out to play. There was no master plan he just wanted to hurt Poindexer. 

I was surprised Bullseye took a shot at Fisk, i thought they were going to do a Bullseye shoots/kills Heather thinking she's Vanessa. 

While i understand Matt taking the bullet, i also wanted to throw my shoe at the TV...why, Matt?! WHY!

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Raja

Raja

1 hour ago, AimingforYoko said:

I don't know why Matt took the bullet. He didn't want Fisk to be a martyr?

A hero has got to hero, even if he is protecting a criminal. You could see the attack coming from the beginning of the episode I half expected Swordsman to jump in since the Devil was in the public eye. So there has to be a time jump for the "season's" half season finale

I was surprised when Buck was asking if he was dead yet. You would have thought Fisk would have remembered Frank Castle in jail with just a few not the entire general population with the C.O, signaling they have a green light. Maybe Poindexter isn't on the Punisher's level in hand to hand but with his paper clip becomes a lethal at range weapon he belonged at the Raft with Hellcat, if she's still there, anyway

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dwmarch

dwmarch

It would seem that in the 616 universe, Dex has the superpower of accelerating any object to lethal speed no matter how he projects it. A baseball player who can bean someone in the head (with a baseball) to kill? Certainly. But spitting a tooth into someone's eye with enough force to cause traumatic injury? Teeth just aren't that heavy. If spittin' Chiclets was that injurious, there would be a lot more one-eyed hockey players out there! I guess maybe when they replaced Dex's spine they might have given him Terminator teeth as well.

Was there more to the plot point of putting Dex in Gen Pop? I guess it was necessary for setting up the meeting between him and Matt but apparently he was in there for a couple of days, was known as a former cop, was greeted by a bunch of unfriendly looking folk and... nothing happened? The other prisoners left him alone because I guess they knew he had stuff to do. Also quite considerate of the prison to put the infirmary right next to the exit so Dex could slip into a convenient uniform and leave unnoticed. Now I can't say I'm an expert on how prisons operate but I'm pretty sure real ones have robust defenses against prisoners who steal a uniform. Although I will give them credit for having Dex steal an ID as well that was checked as he was getting on the bus. The people checking the IDs can get lazy and Dex does know how to act the part of a cop.

I still wish Matt would just tell Heather he's Daredevil already. How long did he make her stand there staring at him while he eavesdropped on Kingpin and completely ignored her? Rude!

I feel bad for the server at the party who ended up with Matt's cane. Like, what the fuck am I supposed to do with this? No matter where I put it he's never going to find it. As far as the server knows he's just going to be wandering around forever bumping into stuff.

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thuganomics85

thuganomics85

Fisk is generally a scary guy and has said a lot of terrifying things, but nothing gave me chills as his "Daniel is the future of this city."  Best of luck to you, New York City, if that is remotely true!

While not minding her for the most part despite not being wild about the romance, Heather was definitely losing me with the way she seemed to lump Daredevil alongside Muse.  Ironically, she isn't wrong about him having issues and I don't expect her to automatically be on Team Daredevil, but it seems obvious to me that there is a difference between a vigilante who might get too violent dealing with criminals vs. a psychopath who kills innocent people and displays them as murals.  Oh, and then there was her claim about how she saved herself, which is technically true, but she would have been dead for sure had it not been for Daredevil's save.  Yeah, I'll be very surprised if this relationship lasts if/when she finds out the truth about Matt.

But, hey, at least things are better for Fisk and Vanessa!  Turns out Vanessa really did set up Luca last week, and Fisk returns the favor by revealing what he did to Adam all of this time!  And Vanessa responds by straight-up murdering her former lover in front of him.  And how it's all bedroom eyes and smiles for them!  Those crazy kids will never break-up, dammit!

Poindexter is now back into the world thanks to an unknowing assistance from Matt.  Definitely question his ability to somehow use a tooth as a mini-bullet, but I guess it's pointless to underestimate the skills of Bullseye!

Sometimes I like to be surprised, but other times I want to obvious to happen.  And in the case of Powell and his cronies, I really do hope this is leading to Frank finally getting out of his lair and unleashing some Punisher beatings and more to this lot.

Great seeing Jack again.  Not so great that he might be under Fisk's thumb thanks to Fisk knowing about his extra activities, but I won't count the Swordsman out of the game yet!

BB Urich hopefully has eyes in the back of her head and finds a way to put a dent in Fisk's scheme.  Bonus points if Daniel takes a hit as well.

So, it sounds like Vanessa was actually the one who pointed Poindexter to Foggy, instead of Fisk.  Makes sense, because I do think Fisk; in his own strange way; would have kept his word about not going after Matt's inner circle, while Vanessa doesn't care about things like that.  But I'm sure we will dive more into that later.

Did not have Matt taking a bullet for Fisk on my bingo card.  I wonder if this will elevate Matt in the public's eyes as some kind of hero risking his life for the mayor.  But how will he explain knowing it was coming?  Either way, I hope this leads to another Matt/Fisk confrontation and scenes.  Need more Charlie Cox and Vincent D'Onofrio playing off one another.  

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Raja

Raja

7 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

Did not have Matt taking a bullet for Fisk on my bingo card.  I wonder if this will elevate Matt in the public's eyes as some kind of hero risking his life for the mayor.  But how will he explain knowing it was coming? 

To the public Matt would just be collateral damage, the most helpless of victims of a madman. Maybe Clare could secret cameo as part of his care staff and know differently.

But Fisk knows and perhaps their gentlemen's agreement survives as he could send his task force after Matt at anytime.

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Raja

Raja

1 minute ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

Still don't understand why Matt took the bullet for Fisk.

You don't get to choose your preferred victims.

What was sillier was Bullseye went to I don't believe it I missed mode after taking longer to take an easy shot for him than any basic qualified rifleman would take. And none of the police put up any cover fire to make him run. I guess he was happy with any of the three primaries from the Netflix finale being hit.

With Officer Powell torturing a paparazzi I guess he isn't the task force member to eventually make the babyface turn. Since the only other one I remember getting a story was the sergeant from Chicago that make him the prime suspect to turn to become an actual fighter for justice.

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Raja

Raja

4 minutes ago, paigow said:

Fisk is / was telling the truth about Foggy...

He keeps his word with Murdock and Vanessa.

I like my speculation for Luca that Vaneesa did put a hit on her husband but loves him more because he was strong enough to turn the tide better than their story that she was in on it to set Luca up. I guess the couple's murder conspiracy was needed for the Adam in the dungeon reveal.

Orbert

Orbert

More of the clever cutting back and forth between Matt and Fisk as they get on with their lives and move forward with their plans.  Honestly, it's quite well done, but there's a limit to how many times you can use the same device before it becomes... well, maybe not tedious, but it feels like it's being overused.  We get it.  Their lives are intertwined, and in many ways parallel.

Fucking Poindexter/Bullseye.  Sorry, but I really hate that guy.  Weird idea for a supervillain, and annoying every second he's on screen.  And whether he was paid to do it or what, he did kill Foggy, so fuck him.  I really thought Daredevil killed him in that first episode by tossing him off the building, and that that, plus Foggy's death, would be what pushes Matt to put the suit back on.  Instead, he's the main recurring villain?  Ugh.  Not a fan.

Matt needs to just tell Heather that he's Daredevil, and to please stop lumping him in with guys like Muse.  Is she that stupid?  Did anyone ever consider Muse a vigilante and not a serial killer until Fisk started blabbing about how they're all just dudes in silly costumes?  Which, okay, they are; but still, there's literally no difference between the mass murderers and the guys trying to stop them?

Interesting end to the Adam storyline.  They both looked a little turned on by that, with Fisk saying "I'll never leave you again" and Vanessa falling into his arms.  In my headcanon, the camera cut away just before they started going for it right there in Fisk's little homemade dungeon (after that great, weird shot of them embracing while Adam looks on).

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heisey

heisey

16 hours ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

Oh, I meant to ask: Who is Artemis?  The sword guy was speaking with her at the party, and I thought maybe I was supposed to know her through Marvel Lore,

 

14 hours ago, MadyGirl1987 said:

Since she was wondering about her husband, I assumed she was the wife of the guy, Adam, who Fisk had been holding captive and Vanessa killed.

Artemis is one of the wealthy people who attended Fisk's fundraiser for the port project a few episodes ago. On that occasion, she was with her husband Arthur, so she is not Adam's wife (or widow). She and her husband weren't supporters of the port project, so if the husband is missing, it's not looking good for him. She attended the ball in this episode because she thought it best not to offend Fisk.

If you thought she looked familiar, the actress who plays Artemis is Katherine LaNasa, who also plays the head nurse, Dana Evans, in The Pitt.

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tennisgurl

tennisgurl

I guess I should have seen it coming after Dex told Matt that, because he's a good man, he would defend his worst enemy. Matt might hate Fisk, but he wont let a person be murdered in cold blood, especially after he just found out that he didn't kill Foggy or any of those people at Josie's. I never thought that Fisk had Foggy killed, he does have his own weird sense of honor and I think he would honor his deal to not go after Matt's friends, but I actually was shocked that it was Vanessa. She fully sucks, I knew that she had gone way dark ages ago, but this is beyond, now she really needs to get hit with karma.

The Fisk's really are something else, she looked so turned on when she saw that Fisk had locked up her ex boytoy in his murder basement, then when she shot him I swear they probably had sex with his body right there. Its kind of nice that they're back in a good place I guess, its nice when couples can do things together. 

I cant tell who is more incompetent, the guards who let Dex just casually walk out of jail, or the heavily armed cops who let an assassin with a rifle into a big fancy dinner and almost assassinated the mayor. While the task force were busy torturing journalists and laughing evilly, their boss was almost killed right in the middle of his own ball. It cant look good for the task force that they let this clearly unhinged gun wielding assassin walk right into their heavily guarded event and the mayor was only saved by the quick thinking of a blind guy. 

Heather is losing me a bit, I get that she's traumatized by what happened with Muse, but acting like Daredevil and Muse are the same is utterly ridiculous, maybe she does deserve to join Team Fisk and their anti vigilante mob. Whatever you can say about the morality of Daredevil and costumed vigilantes, there is so obviously a huge difference between a guy who beats up known criminals in the middle of violent crime and a guy who murdered sixty people and drew pictures with their blood. She isn't really wrong about Daredevil being a really messed up person in need of help though, for a therapist she sure hasn't clocked how much her boyfriend needs some therapy. 

I was really worried when Fisk met with jack alone, it would be totally reasonable to guess that he might try to kill him right there.

It seems like BB and Commissioner Gallo are going to team up to bring Fisk down, considering they have so much access they might be the people to do it. Glad that they established that BB does know that Fisk probably killed her uncle. 

Even if it ended badly, you know that Matt felt some catharsis when he smashed Dex's head in a few times and go to tell him a good old fuck you, I really felt the rage in that fuck. 

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Raja

Raja

14 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

I cant tell who is more incompetent, the guards who let Dex just casually walk out of jail, or the heavily armed cops who let an assassin with a rifle into a big fancy dinner and almost assassinated the mayor. While the task force were busy torturing journalists and laughing evilly, their boss was almost killed right in the middle of his own ball. It cant look good for the task force that they let this clearly unhinged gun wielding assassin walk right into their heavily guarded event and the mayor was only saved by the quick thinking of a blind guy. 

Easily the COs in the jail. After setting Agent Poindexter up to get killed by a fellow prisoner they sit there and unlock him with one guard to treat the head wounds. And somehow, he is not cleared back to his cell and walks out because he had the right bar code to scan.

I think at the party after Bullseye infiltrated the party scene, he took that two pronged fork and off screen took out the NYPD sniper who had the high overwatch position and spoofed him.

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Raja

Raja

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3 hours ago, Orbert said:

That was actually on screen.  We saw someone grab the fork (three guesses and the first two don't count) and there was at least one view from behind Bullseye up in the balcony, and you could see the NYPD sniper laying there with the fork in him.  He definitely took him out with the fork and used his rifle.

I was thinking more in terms of Dex using one of his signature throws as opposed to stabbing the officer. It could have been a blink and you missed it when Dex uses his super skill situation. As with Hawkeye even if it is not comic book canon I see their skills and think undiagnosed mutants have been in the MCU from the start.

Perhaps I need to go back, but was the doctor hit through the eyeball with the medical scissors? I sort of remember it as his skull and wondering how that penetrated more so than others asking about the spitting power with the tooth to take the guard.  Maybe an episode second or two having the doctor ordering the guard to remove the restraints would have made the Corrections Officer, R.I.P.  seem a bit less incompetent

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LaylaGirl

LaylaGirl

3 hours ago, Orbert said:

That was actually on screen.  We saw someone grab the fork (three guesses and the first two don't count) and there was at least one view from behind Bullseye up in the balcony, and you could see the NYPD sniper laying there with the fork in him.  He definitely took him out with the fork and used his rifle.

Thanks - I completely missed that. Probably because I was so traumatized by the torture scene with the fryer. That was a bit much for me.

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Orbert

Orbert

45 minutes ago, LaylaGirl said:

Thanks - I completely missed that. Probably because I was so traumatized by the torture scene with the fryer. That was a bit much for me.

The fryer scene I think was just there to make us hate Powell and the task force even more.  They could've just taken the camera and maybe roughed him up a bit, but that was being brutal and inflicting permanent damage just for fun.  They're seriously psychos.

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Raja

Raja

2 hours ago, paigow said:

Give the audience something to applaud when Punisher kills him. 

 

3 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

As if we weren't going to cheer the minute he showed up

Under the Stan Lee doctrine of every issue is some fan's first when Frank starts doing his thing that first time viewer has to see a difference between the mayhem he causes and the mayhem from Poindexter

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Ottis

Ottis

On 4/8/2025 at 10:20 PM, Morrigan2575 said:

I really think Matt just gave into his anger with Bullseye, The Devil is coming out to play. There was no master plan he just wanted to hurt Poindexer. 

Bullseyes "thank you" to Matt directly after that says otherwise, though given what we saw Matt do at the end of this ep I'm not sure DD would free Bullseye just to send him after Fisk.

On 4/9/2025 at 12:00 AM, dwmarch said:

I still wish Matt would just tell Heather he's Daredevil already.

Everyone else sure seems to know.

On 4/9/2025 at 1:55 AM, thuganomics85 said:

Heather was definitely losing me with the way she seemed to lump Daredevil alongside Muse.  Ironically, she isn't wrong about him having issues and I don't expect her to automatically be on Team Daredevil, but it seems obvious to me that there is a difference between a vigilante who might get too violent dealing with criminals vs. a psychopath who kills innocent people and displays them as murals. 

Agree, but I think the show's narrative requires it, to muddy the waters. It's the same technique we are seeing IRL, with specific people or causes being branded "bad" even though they aren't. It muddies popular opinion.

On 4/10/2025 at 11:39 AM, tennisgurl said:

While the task force were busy torturing journalists and laughing evilly, their boss was almost killed right in the middle of his own ball. It cant look good for the task force that they let this clearly unhinged gun wielding assassin walk right into their heavily guarded event and the mayor was only saved by the quick thinking of a blind guy. 

Fortunately, that is usually the Achilles heal of incompetence bad actors. They get so far into their own asses that they screw up.

So Matt either couldn't allow BE to get a kill because of "integrity," or, and I really hope this is the case, Matt has a plan and being a public martyr in saving Fisk is step one.

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Charlemagne

Charlemagne

On 4/10/2025 at 10:39 AM, tennisgurl said:

I cant tell who is more incompetent, the guards who let Dex just casually walk out of jail, or the heavily armed cops who let an assassin with a rifle into a big fancy dinner and almost assassinated the mayor. While the task force were busy torturing journalists and laughing evilly, their boss was almost killed right in the middle of his own ball. It cant look good for the task force that they let this clearly unhinged gun wielding assassin walk right into their heavily guarded event and the mayor was only saved by the quick thinking of a blind guy. 

I don't know if this helps any but Bullseye didn't walk in carrying a gun.

He took it off the guard at that balcony after killing him. People didn't notice him standing there holding a gun immediately (or so we are led to believe) because there was a legit guard stationed there who was holding a long gun. Bullseye just sort of "took his place." Anyone glancing up would see exactly what they expected to see until the shot was fired.

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dwmarch

dwmarch

There were two little moments in this episode that I really liked. First, when the Commissioner is talking to BB about her uncle. The way he tells her that Fisk was the prime suspect is a wonderful piece of acting from Michael Gaston, who is a quintessential "hey, it's that guy!". The way he tells her is filled with empathy, as if he knows that she might not know and he might be about to ruin her day. It's the voice of a cop who has had to break too much bad news to too many families.

I also loved that moment when Vanessa asks Matt if Heather knows that he's Daredevil. She tweaks his bowtie. No particular reason for her to do this, except maybe as a very subtle way of telling him that it is crooked.

Matt's smile when cutting in to dance with Vanessa is hilarious too.

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