S03.E09: How the Story Ends

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Taking cues from Stravinsky (or Picciotto, if that’s your vibe), the Yellowjackets’ rites of spring finally come to an end. Misty gets a pick-me up. Shauna worries about a sticky Melissa problem. The power of The New Flesh is strong with this one.

Premiere date: April 4, 2025 on Paramount+

[Anela]

No!! I thought Van might die, because of the title, but she spared Melissa, only for Melissa to stab her? So, did Melissa kill Lottie, too? Tai will want to kill Melissa now. 

Nat finds Misty with the transponder. Ooh. 

Hannah kills Kodi, and does it in a way that was predicted by some. Here or on reddit, at least one person predicted that someone would be stabbed in the eye, or the forehead (the three-eyed bear). She didn't trust him, and wants to study them. She was also saving her own butt. 

Jeff and Callie bonding over weed, and how hard it is to be related to Shauna. 

I love that Misty shut her in the freezer. I don't know why I like her now, she's just as psychotic.

Nat crying, as it started to snow. :( After her escape plan failed. I really don't like Shauna. 

Travis creates the murder pit. Did he steal those stakes from Shauna, or make his own? 

Van was rigging the cards. 

Edited Friday at 05:58 AM by Anela

[BitterApple]

This episode was a little odd for me. The group split between the girls felt a bit jarring, like we needed more dialogue to show how they divided. It's a tad convenient they broke evenly between main characters and the B-tier (minus Nat, of course). So we've got  Van rigging the cards and those who aren't part of the inner circle will be the first to go. 

The escape plan was stupid and destined to fail. These girls' senses are fine tuned. No way Kodi and Hannah were waltzing out of camp, stepping on leaves and sticks, with no one hearing. Interesting that Hannah threw Kodi under the bus instead of ratting out Nat. 

So I guess Lottie not falling into the pit was a sign the Wilderness really chooses? Or at least that's how Travis will interpret it. 

I still don't understand why the teens just don't kill Shauna. She's not a vampire, she has to fall asleep sometime. Wait til she does and take her out. Do they not get they outnumber her 13:1? 

 

[Anela]

I thought Lottie knew where the pit was (they knew about Coach finding the food, although I wonder why they were using the torches, and other things in those cases). I think she saw the ground looked different there. But she's also "very intuitive". Travis' face wasn't exactly hiding that he was up to something. 

[AstridM]

28 minutes ago, Anela said:

But she's also "very intuitive"

She sure thinks so. I wish she had fallen in.

[Black Knight]

3 hours ago, BitterApple said:

I still don't understand why the teens just don't kill Shauna. She's not a vampire, she has to fall asleep sometime. Wait til she does and take her out. Do they not get they outnumber her 13:1? 

Killing Shauna in the way you suggest is a line they haven't crossed yet and they're clearly not prepared to cross it - which I think is probably wise. Shauna still has supporters and the killing would not end with her. The ritual of the card-drawing, or in the case of Ben the trial, are important for keeping the YJs from just straight-up murdering each other at any time.

I could not believe Nat let Shauna take the gun away from her, though.

4 hours ago, Anela said:

Tai will want to kill Melissa now. 

If the Vans were correct at the end, original Tai is firmly back in control, which is fortunate for Melissa because that Tai is not a murderer. I hated what Tai's story this season meant for her and it made me kind of not like Adult Van as a result. I'm kinda excited at the thought that maybe Tai can put her life back together now that she's herself and Van is dead.

RIP Van. I do remember noticing a look between her and Tai during a card-drawing this season that made me wonder a little. If she went ahead and started rigging the cards for the second winter draws, when she's always been on the believer side of things, well, no wonder Adult Van retreated into nostalgia. The card drawings were so the girls would not have to take on the psychological burden of actually choosing who among them would die.

I really felt for Nat when the snow began to fall. And oh, the irony if Misty ends up being the one who gets them home after deliberately fucking up the flight recorder in the first place. She's had her fun and now she wants out.

This is just a small thing, but I appreciated Walter drinking from Misty's martini at the end of that scene, just to let the audience know for sure about that drink. The whole scene I was wondering if it was spiked with something and Misty clearly was too because she never took a sip of it. It's a point for Walter.

[Cheyanne11]

4 hours ago, Black Knight said:

This is just a small thing, but I appreciated Walter drinking from Misty's martini at the end of that scene, just to let the audience know for sure about that drink. The whole scene I was wondering if it was spiked with something and Misty clearly was too because she never took a sip of it. It's a point for Walter.

I liked that, too.  Once less thing to ponder.

Gotta hand it to Sophie Nelisse.  She has made Shauna thoroughly hateable.

[Brn2bwild]

There were a number of improbabilities in this episode.  That Shauna could take the gun so easily from Natalie; that the adult Yellowjackets could collapse from fireplace smoke before figuring out the flue was closed or before opening a door or window; that Walter would not take Lottie's cloned phone with him when he went to get chocolate shavings for Misty's drink.  

Teen Shauna's reign of terror feels a bit unbelievable, given that the "out" group could easily overpower her and grab the gun.  She can't hold it in readiness all the time, and she doesn't have enough followers to outnumber the "out" group - Tai is barely with her, Lottie is doing her own thing, and Melissa abandons her.

That said, I could believe Lottie could stand on the pit without falling in - Travis might have spread the covering too thickly and underestimated what it would take to cause it to collapse.

[WaltersHair]

They're losing me. This episode was so fragmented (and that might be the point as the 1996 group is fragmenting), but so much of it made no sense.

If they were going for a natural gas death, it has to be in an enclosed space. Literally sticking their heads in the (oven) fireplace to make that work. If it's carbon monoxide, same principle. The house is too big and I didn't see an abundance of smoke.

What did Misty see on Lottie's phone? Walter knows, so why was he so coy about it? Having Misty seems to be his goal and whatever was on it made her run. Walter is very smart. He didn't blink and eye when Misty asked for shavings and he kept his back to her.

I wonder if some of the journals that were in Shauna's safe belonged to Hannah? I wondered where she got so many and Hannah journaling the expedition would make sense.

I have to re-watch when I'm in a better frame of mind.

[BitterApple]

1 hour ago, WaltersHair said:

I have to re-watch when I'm in a better frame of mind.

Same. I was tired when I watched last night, so hopefully I'll like it more when I rerun it today. 

I thought I'd have more of a reaction to Van's death, but it didn't do anything for me. Van being killed by a teammate she hasn't seen for 20+ years, fell a little flat in terms of emotional impact. I would rather that she died of the cancer. 

And since I overthink the details, what the heck is Alex gonna think when she comes home to find blood smeared on the walls and a dead body on her floor? Unless she's in on it and Melissa has been lying from jump. 

[Brn2bwild]

The scene with Van's death reminded me of a scene from Agatha All Along. 

Spoiler

"How can I be dead?  I just figured out I'm a Protection Witch."  "And you died protecting someone."

Otherwise, I'm having trouble buying all this.  The "out" group teens (who seem to include everyone but Shauna, Lottie, and Tai to varying degrees) are way too calm - I would be screaming at Shauna at this point for ruining our chance to go home.  I think they all would be.  They have the cross bow and the axe, and could threaten Shauna if she threatens them.  Shauna's "authority" comes from Lottie's proclamation, and Lottie has lost a lot of face in a short period of time.

It would be a different story if people like Travis and Akilah chose to side with Lottie and believe that the "wilderness" kept them there, but no one other than Lottie seems to believe that.

[Affogato]

3 hours ago, BitterApple said:

 

And since I overthink the details, what the heck is Alex gonna think when she comes home to find blood smeared on the walls and a dead body on her floor? Unless she's in on it and Melissa has been lying from jump. 

I wondered that neither Shauna or Melissa wiped the blood off because they walked into a house, grab a paper towel. 
 

tai has to report this, right?

Edited Friday at 08:37 PM by Affogato

[peachmangosteen]

49 minutes ago, Affogato said:

tai has to report this, right?

What do you mean?

This was easily the most boring episode of the season imo but it had it's moments.

Sophie Thatcher was amazing in the scene where Natalie just sobs as the snow starts falling.

I was glad that the feeling I had at the first card draw that Van was rigging it was kinda true in that she will be rigging the future card draws. I guess that's one way to make it more believable that the only ones that are killed are the ones not part of the main cast lol.

I am so intrigued by Melissa, both teen and adult. I am very interested to see if she's been lying and is actually on a revenge plot.

I did not see Hannah killing Kodi coming but looking back it was heavily foreshadowed in this episode. I sort of don't understand what the point of a lot of the stuff with him and particularly Hannah wanting to fuck him was but whatever.

Travis trying to kill Lottie was kind of everything to me. Sure, he should have actually tried to kill Shauna but still it was just nice one of them was willing to do something drastic to get them home.

I guess we'll see Lottie's death plane vision thing in the finale when we find out who killed her.

Edited Friday at 09:26 PM by peachmangosteen

[Anela]

14 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

What do you mean?

This was easily the most boring episode of the season imo but it had it's moments.

Sophie Thatcher was amazing in the scene where Natalie just sobs as the snow starts falling.

I was glad that the feeling I had at the first card draw that Van was rigging it was kinda true in that she will be rigging the future card draws. I guess that's one way to make it more believable that the only ones that are killed are the ones not part of the main cast lol.

I am so intrigued by Melissa, both teen and adult. I am very interested to see if she's been lying and is actually on a revenge plot.

I did not see Hannah killing Kodi coming but looking back it was heavily foreshadowed in this episode. I sort of don't understand what the point of a lot of the stuff with him and particularly Hannah wanting to fuck him was but whatever.

Travis trying to kill Lottie was kind of everything to me. Sure, he should have actually tried to kill Shauna but still it was just nice one of them was willing to do something drastic to get them home.

I guess we'll see Lottie's death plane vision thing in the finale when we find out who killed her.

I want to know why he was in touch with her in the current timeline, if he was so done with her in the past, that he was prepared to kill her. 

[peachmangosteen]

3 minutes ago, Anela said:

I want to know why he was in touch with her in the current timeline, if he was so done with her in the past, that he was prepared to kill her. 

Because she walked right over the trap so I assume he starts re-thinking things about her being God-like/that the wilderness really was talking to her. It seems like he maybe struggled a lot with that out there as well as after they were rescued.

Oh, I forgot another scene I liked: Jeff talking about how lonely it is to be married to Shauna.

Edited Friday at 09:42 PM by peachmangosteen

[Anela]

2 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Because she walked right over the trap so I assume he starts re-thinking things about her being God-like/that the wilderness really was talking to her. It seems like he maybe struggled a lot with that out there as well as after they were rescued.

Oh, I forgot another scene I liked: Jeff talking about how lonely it is to be married to Shauna.

But he left a note for Natalie, apparently, saying that she was right. Natalie also said that he never believed in that. So, he must have been desperate over something, to contact Lottie (and I think she had access to his bank account). If Lottie was telling the truth about his death, and it being an accident. 

[peachmangosteen]

14 minutes ago, Anela said:

But he left a note for Natalie, apparently, saying that she was right. Natalie also said that he never believed in that.

I assumed that was about Natalie saying 'It' came back with them.

I don't think Natalie was right about him never believing it. I think they all struggled with it and still did when they got home, even up until their ends. Shauna is probably the only one who never believed in it. Maybe Tai. ETA: I just remembered Shauna seeing the moths so even she maybe had moments.

Edited Friday at 10:01 PM by peachmangosteen

[Tipsymcstagger]

I’ve watched this show from the jump and started out loving it. But it seems like every season it gets a little more unbelievable. I’m all about suspension of disbelief but I think this season has taken it a bit OTT. While I really like Melanie Lynskey as an actress I do not like what her character has become. There’s an anti-hero and then there’s…whatever she is. And teen Shauna is so beyond unlikeable and annoying that I’m just bummed that we know she survives because I spend my time wishing for an axe to the back of her noggin. Thank goodness for Sophie Thatcher and Christina Ricci. They’re remarkably good in this series. I’ll watch to the very end but I just think they need to put this one down if they want to leave viewers with a good taste in their mouths. 

[Affogato]

1 hour ago, peachmangosteen said:

What do you mean?

This was easily the most boring episode of the season imo but it had it's moments.

Sophie Thatcher was amazing in the scene where Natalie just sobs as the snow starts falling.

I was glad that the feeling I had at the first card draw that Van was rigging it was kinda true in that she will be rigging the future card draws. I guess that's one way to make it more believable that the only ones that are killed are the ones not part of the main cast lol.

I am so intrigued by Melissa, both teen and adult. I am very interested to see if she's been lying and is actually on a revenge plot.

I did not see Hannah killing Kodi coming but looking back it was heavily foreshadowed in this episode. I sort of don't understand what the point of a lot of the stuff with him and particularly Hannah wanting to fuck him was but whatever.

Travis trying to kill Lottie was kind of everything to me. Sure, he should have actually tried to kill Shauna but still it was just nice one of them was willing to do something drastic to get them home.

I guess we'll see Lottie's death plane vision thing in the finale when we find out who killed her.

Van’s death has to be reported to authorities. Are any of them crazy enough to try to hide it? Well, maybe. 

[Anela]

2 minutes ago, Affogato said:

Van’s death has to be reported to authorities. Are any of them crazy enough to try to hide it? Well, maybe. 

She would have to explain why they were there. Maybe Hannah’s daughter comes home, and calls the police.  We don’t know how much she knows, if anything.  

[Affogato]

1 minute ago, Anela said:

She would have to explain why they were there. Maybe Hannah’s daughter comes home, and calls the police.  We don’t know how much she knows, if anything.  

I really don’t know where this is going but there is a huge overarching theme that one lie or misdeads leads inevitably to more lies and misdeads.  Got that. Are we just watching the inevitable sad but comedic spiral of errors?

[peachmangosteen]

I don’t really know how they’ll get out of this but I don’t know how there were literally no repercussions for them after Natalie/Kevin/that other cop guy were killed either so who knows.

32 minutes ago, Affogato said:

Are any of them crazy enough to try to hide it? 

I mean, obviously they are lol.

Van doesn’t have any family so I think that’d be pretty easy. All they really need to do is get the place cleaned up before Alex comes home. I’d find the writing just sweeping over this a lot easier to take than them just breezing past what happened at Lottie’s compound.

Edited Friday at 11:37 PM by peachmangosteen

[AstridM]

2 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

Because she walked right over the trap so I assume he starts re-thinking things about her being God-like/that the wilderness really was talking to her. It seems like he maybe struggled a lot with that out there as well as after they were rescued.

Oh, I forgot another scene I liked: Jeff talking about how lonely it is to be married to Shauna.

I don’t believe this at all. (About Travis)

[WaltersHair]

If Van has been cheating the cards, this assures she never gets the Queen. She gave Shauna the Queen of Hearts at Lottie's compound and they almost took it seriously.

Travis has been given almost nothing to do this season. They need to go home before the actor playing the teen becomes the same age as 'adult Travis'.

ETA Van not Nat.

Edited Saturday at 03:59 AM by WaltersHair

[jsm1125]

21 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

I don’t really know how they’ll get out of this but I don’t know how there were literally no repercussions for them after Natalie/Kevin/that other cop guy were killed either so who knows.

I mean, obviously they are lol.

Van doesn’t have any family so I think that’d be pretty easy. All they really need to do is get the place cleaned up before Alex comes home. I’d find the writing just sweeping over this a lot easier to take than them just breezing past what happened at Lottie’s compound.

Minor nitpick, but the other cop (I assume you mean the one who pretended to hit on Callie and was after Shauna) didn’t die. Walter somehow convinced him to take the fall for Kevin’s death. Now why that cop did so? Is beyond me. 

Edited Saturday at 09:19 PM by jsm1125

[Brn2bwild]

3 hours ago, AstridM said:

I don’t believe this at all. (About Travis)

I saw it more as him being dumbfounded and defeated.  If he did choose to "believe," I think it would be because he gave up, not because it infused him with true belief.

[BitterApple]

45 minutes ago, Brn2bwild said:

I saw it more as him being dumbfounded and defeated.  If he did choose to "believe," I think it would be because he gave up, not because it infused him with true belief.

I imagine that will be the theme going forward. Nat totally broke when she realized their escape attempt failed and the snow started falling. I can see the Others following suit. They can't trust Hannah, she just killed their only shot at making a run for it. Since they don't have the willpower to dispose Shauna, there's nothing left to do but surrender. 

I did a rewatch tonight and I wonder if Callie will be the one who ends up killing her. She's clearly more bonded to Jeff and she looked so sad for him when he said being married to Shauna was lonely. Callie may figure it's the only way they can be free from Shauna's craziness. 

So I guess Van's hero arc was that she defeated Bad Tai? I suspect this whole thing is going to have a similar ending to Lost where the dead are in a holding pattern, waiting for the remaining adults to join them and they end up back in the Wilderness. Lottie was right that they were never meant to leave. It felt like Teen Van was alluding to that when she said surviving wasn't the reward, and also when Adult Van asked what happens if this wasn't the end during the death scene. 

Edited Saturday at 04:25 AM by BitterApple

[Brn2bwild]

I wonder why the "out" group teens didn't try to rally around Tai as the new leader.  Tai has leadership quality and has been itching to be the leader since the beginning of the season.  She seems to occupy a more moderate position than Shauna - "we'll leave, but not before we clean up our mess."  Her ego would be so flattered if the other girls went to her and called her a savior who would lead them home.  She could align with Natalie and they could team up against Shauna.  

[peachmangosteen]

15 hours ago, jsm1125 said:

Minor nitpick, but the other cop (I asked you mean the one who pretended to hit on Callie and was after Shauna) didn’t die. Walter somehow convinced him to take the fall for Kevin’s death. Now why that cop did so? Is beyond me. 

Lord, it was worse than I remembered lol. Season 2 was when it became clear the writers have no plan and that the show is kinda just a silly, campy mess that happens to sometimes do a great job at highlighting some heavy themes.

12 hours ago, BitterApple said:

I suspect this whole thing is going to have a similar ending to Lost where the dead are in a holding pattern, waiting for the remaining adults to join them and they end up back in the Wilderness.

I will roll for weeks if they do this, if only for the mass hysteria of the online fandom/critics lol.

I know people don't want to accept that these girls (plus Travis) might have struggled with believing in 'It' but the evidence is there.

Edited Saturday at 04:55 PM by peachmangosteen

[Black Knight]

Tai has seemed to want to be the leader since S1, when she thanked Shauna for voting with her (and Shauna informed her she wasn't voting for any "side", she just voted for what she thought made most sense).

I think the reason Tai is always in the power group but never manages to make it to the ultimate leader slot is that she's a little too on the cerebral side. She makes intelligent, logical arguments but doesn't tap into people's emotions. Personally, I've always thought she'd make the best leader, but I may be changing my mind on that after learning she plans to rig the drawings...

I'm increasingly feeling like the show's endgame is one Yellowjacket left standing, but I really can't see Shauna being killed off before the series finale. I don't know that she would be the last YJ - you can make good arguments for all of the remaining core three - but if she's not then she'd be the Final Boss fight for the ultimate survivor.

The writers like to tease Lost and then not be Lost, so I would not read into the references as an indication that Lost is what's going to happen. Remember the hilarious S2 bit where they put a hatch in the previews, knowing what the fanbase would think, and it turned out just to be a dream?

[peachmangosteen]

The writers are not, well, good so I wouldn't put anything past them.

The fact that so many of the actors are point blank talking in the press about their belief that the writers don't have a plan/that they think what the writers are doing sucks is so hilarious to me. Also, Hilary Swank publicly stating that she was contacted for this season literally 2 weeks before it started filming. It's a mess over there lol.

[Anela]

Even on LOST, they changed things up. They promised one of the actors that they would always be safe, because of how big they were. I don't know if I should say who, and why, even though it's been fifteen years since it went off the air. But they got rid of them at the end of season three, in a big sacrificial way. 

6 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

Lord, it was worse than I remembered lol. Season 2 was when it became clear the writers have no plan and that the show is kinda just a silly, campy mess that happens to sometimes do a great job at highlighting some heavy themes.

I will roll for weeks if they do this, if only for the mass hysteria of the online fandom/critics lol.

I know people don't want to accept that these girls (plus Travis) might have struggled with believing in 'It' but the evidence is there.

I really hope they don't go in this direction. But they probably will.

[Anela]

We also had Tai and Van talking about Van learning to rig the cards. "The wilderness" wasn't choosing anything. They were. 

When it comes to Lottie, people can be intuitive at times, but still be wrong at other times. 

[BitterApple]

26 minutes ago, Anela said:

We also had Tai and Van talking about Van learning to rig the cards. "The wilderness" wasn't choosing anything. They were. 

When it comes to Lottie, people can be intuitive at times, but still be wrong at other times. 

With regards to the draw, I wonder it will play out next episode. When they first did the card draw in S2, it was supposed to be a straightforward execution. It only turned into a hunt after Nat panicked and ran, with Javi dying in her place. 

So now that it's become a game of sorts, will they establish rules? Will it be like the season premiere, where the person whose 'it' can be declared the winner if they can make it to a designated spot? Or do they just chase until they wear out their prey then go in for the kill? 

[WaltersHair]

I think Tai had a good shot at being leader, but it was her idea in Season 1 to take a shot at leaving. She also said she'd go alone if need be.

Turned into a disaster and that seemed to shake the girls up, especially almost-roasted Van. Cerebral gave way to the 'Wilderness Think' until the Frog People showed up.

[Affogato]

2 hours ago, Anela said:

Even on LOST, they changed things up. They promised one of the actors that they would always be safe, because of how big they were. I don't know if I should say who, and why, even though it's been fifteen years since it went off the air. But they got rid of them at the end of season three, in a big sacrificial way. 

I really hope they don't go in this direction. But they probably will.

It may not be the same but I suspect maybe the last shot is all of them in a plane. 

[Cosmocrush]

So what was teen Misty doing with the transponder?  Did she not break it in S1 after all?  It seemed like she kept it, broken, and somehow figured out how to use the parts from the broken sat phone?  I can not figure out what she was doing and honestly the screen was really dark but it seemed like we were supposed to know what she was doing. 

[Black Knight]

She broke the responder in S1 and then hid it, which makes sense - she wouldn't have wanted to risk anyone else finding it. But she didn't smash the responder into absolute smithereens (I don't think there's any way she could have, those things are tough), so it can still be salvaged for parts. Van was doing the same earlier in the episode, salvaging wires from the plane to see if she could use those to fix the sat phone. Misty found a part in the responder that looks like the broken part in the sat phone, so her plan is to substitute that part and see if that will get the phone to work.

Edited Saturday at 09:12 PM by Black Knight

[Brn2bwild]

At least Van's death didn't come from fire.  In fact, she saved everyone else from a fire.

[millennium]

On 4/4/2025 at 2:40 AM, BitterApple said:

So I guess Lottie not falling into the pit was a sign the Wilderness really chooses? Or at least that's how Travis will interpret it. 

He ought to be kicking himself instead.  There were at least a hundred sticks in the mat over the pit.   The trap worked for his test run because he happened to position the sticks just right.   Once he tested it and the log crashed through, he had to reposition them all over.  There's no possible way he could have reproduced the previous layout.  In other words, he simply misjudged.   The mat Lottie stepped on was assembled in a way that the physics of it just happened to support her weight.

 

On 4/4/2025 at 6:24 AM, Black Knight said:

I really felt for Nat when the snow began to fall. And oh, the irony if Misty ends up being the one who gets them home after deliberately fucking up the flight recorder in the first place. She's had her fun and now she wants out.

I have to say this: I can't stand teen Misty.  She's such a worm.  Sometimes her face alone can set me off with those chipmunk cheeks and the google-eyed glasses.

In my comments about the last episode I discussed the virtual impossibility of the Yellowjackets being able to conceal all evidence of their festivities from a forensics recovery team.

In this episode, the idiots, especially Queen Idiot Shauna, left blood spatter and DNA evidence all over that house.   Maybe Melissa returns before the wife and kids get home and cleans so thoroughly that no one ever knows torture, cannibalism and a murder transpired there, but that seems like a very big maybe.

I don't buy Hannah's conversion or her decision to kill Kodi.  Plus she reminds me of Monica Geller for some reason.  (LOL, now instead of Misty and the transponder, I'm thinking transpondster -- "That's not even a word!")

 

On 4/5/2025 at 12:22 AM, BitterApple said:

So I guess Van's hero arc was that she defeated Bad Tai?

We don't even know why Bad Tai exists.  Or why that zombie anime character keeps appearing.  

 

On 4/4/2025 at 10:41 AM, Cheyanne11 said:

Gotta hand it to Sophie Nelisse.  She has made Shauna thoroughly hateable.

Yes, but what I find even more remarkable is that the more she goes crazy, the more she facially resembles Melanie Lynskey.  

 

On 4/4/2025 at 5:24 PM, peachmangosteen said:

Sophie Thatcher was amazing in the scene where Natalie just sobs as the snow starts falling.

I just saw her in The Heretic.   Terrible movie, but she was very good.

[Black Knight]

3 hours ago, millennium said:

I don't buy Hannah's conversion or her decision to kill Kodi.

I don't think Hannah converted. She's a scientist who studies wildlife and part of that is learning about survival strategies. She was clearly manipulating Melissa with the revelation of having a child and the flattery about how fascinating the YJs' survival was. Shauna is unhinged but she was absolutely right about what Hannah was doing there. Unlike Ben and Jackie and Kodi, Hannah actually can read a room and understands that being visibly judgmental would only alienate potential allies (Ben did finally figure that out, for his speech at the trial, but it was too late).

Her killing Kodi was shocking but also truly the smart play. Shauna was going to kill her if she didn't give up someone, and giving up her YJ co-conspirators in the  escape attempt doesn't really help her since she'd be taking out the very people in the group who are likelier not to want to kill her. A paranoid thought that maybe Kodi had murdered someone helped her justify murdering him to herself.

One thing I noticed about Hannah ever since she came across the YJs is that she spent a lot of time keeping her mouth shut and just listening and observing. And when she did say something, it was usually something useful towards a goal of surviving.

[Cosmocrush]

52 minutes ago, Black Knight said:

I don't think Hannah converted...

Interesting take on Hannah.  I was hung up on her being able to actually kill Kodi but the rational makes sense to me. 

[AstridM]

5 hours ago, millennium said:

He ought to be kicking himself instead.  There were at least a hundred sticks in the mat over the pit.   The trap worked for his test run because he happened to position the sticks just right.   Once he tested it and the log crashed through, he had to reposition them all over.  There's no possible way he could have reproduced the previous layout.  In other words, he simply misjudged.   The mat Lottie stepped on was assembled in a way that the physics of it just happened to support her weight.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! I can’t believe this had to be explained, frankly. 

5 hours ago, millennium said:

I don't buy Hannah's conversion or her decision to kill Kodi.

Me either. They lost me right there. 

Edited Sunday at 04:01 PM by AstridM

[peachmangosteen]

58 minutes ago, Cosmocrush said:

I was hung up on her being able to actually kill Kodi but the rational makes sense to me. 

I didn’t find it too hard to believe since she barely batted an eye when her boyfriend (husband?) was axed in the head right in front of her. She’ll fit right in lol.

Edited Sunday at 04:49 PM by peachmangosteen

[BitterApple]

1 hour ago, AstridM said:

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! I can’t believe this had to be explained, frankly. 

People here seem to get it but I'm kind of gobsmacked others on different platforms see it as a sign of the wilderness protecting Lottie. No, it isn't. Travis simply tangled the branches in a way that created much sturdier webbing. We also don't know how far across the hole Lottie was standing. She could've been closer to the edge where her weight wouldn't cause that much strain on the sticks. 

[peachmangosteen]

Or it could be supernatural. The viewers who think eveything that’s happened can be explained away by math/science/logic seem to think anyone who doesn’t agree is somehow an idiot who doesn’t understand the show, but the show itself has not done anything to definitively explain things either way.

[AstridM]

48 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

People here seem to get it but I'm kind of gobsmacked others on different platforms see it as a sign of the wilderness protecting Lottie. No, it isn't. Travis simply tangled the branches in a way that created much sturdier webbing. We also don't know how far across the hole Lottie was standing. She could've been closer to the edge where her weight wouldn't cause that much strain on the sticks. 

Exactly. DUH. 

[Brn2bwild]

On 4/4/2025 at 1:01 PM, Brn2bwild said:

The scene with Van's death reminded me of a scene from Agatha All Along. 

  Reveal spoiler

"How can I be dead?  I just figured out I'm a Protection Witch."  "And you died protecting someone."

Otherwise, I'm having trouble buying all this.  The "out" group teens (who seem to include everyone but Shauna, Lottie, and Tai to varying degrees) are way too calm - I would be screaming at Shauna at this point for ruining our chance to go home.  I think they all would be.  They have the cross bow and the axe, and could threaten Shauna if she threatens them.  Shauna's "authority" comes from Lottie's proclamation, and Lottie has lost a lot of face in a short period of time.

It would be a different story if people like Travis and Akilah chose to side with Lottie and believe that the "wilderness" kept them there, but no one other than Lottie seems to believe that.

Following up on this, it's really weird that no one in the group was saying: "You're keeping me from seeing my parents/family."  That seems so much more visceral than "You're keeping me from eating a cheeseburger."  No one in that group seems to remember she has family, except for Van, whose mother was ironically a really poor parent.   

If one of the "out" group had taken that approach, it might have been tougher for Shauna to justify keeping them in the woods. 

[jsm1125]

Speaking of family, I feel like we barely know anything about Shauna’s in the 90’s timeline. Well, other than Jackie making an off hand comment about her parents getting a divorce in season 1. Was Shauna an only child? Are either of her parents still alive? 

[peachmangosteen]

I was recently thinking about Shauna's family, too. I don't know if they've said but I do assume she's an only child. I hope we see her parents when we get post-rescue scenes.