Season 23

[aghst]

A third party would just result in perpetual Republican wins.

GOP is smart or scared enough to band together no matter what.

Progressives resent moderate and centrist Democrats for a whole host of reasons, starting with 2016 being rigged against Bernie.

IF they split off or start trying to defeat Democrats in primaries, it likely means Republicans win more House seats.

Republicans have donated to progressive candidates, just as Democrats have tried to boost some far-right candidates to make them weaker in general elections.

 

Bill Maher famously was vocal about supporting Nader in 2000 and he admitted he was wrong, how it led to the disaster which the Bush administration was, with ill-conceived wars.

He criticizes Democrats but he's under no illusions any more that there are only two choices in this country.

[iMonrey]

On 3/31/2025 at 8:29 PM, Tara said:

Well, it WAS the craziness of Wokeness that allowed Trump to win. It is absolutely batshit crazy.

Actually it's the right wing propaganda about wokeness et. al. that Bill idiotically helps perpetuate. It's like Bill watches Fox News stories and repeats them as evidence Democrats have moved too far left. Like one person or one incident defines the entire party. Unlike the Republican party, Democrats are an amalgam of diversity, and the right wing propaganda machine excels at cherry picking random stories to paint the entire party with one broad, crazy brush. I honestly don't know if Bill realizes how much water he carries for the right.

"Wokeness" is just a buzzword the right came up with to demonize the left and scare old white people.

Edited April 6 by iMonrey

[aghst]

And before woke, it was PC and CRT.

[Tara]

10 hours ago, iMonrey said:

"Wokeness" is just a buzzword the right came up with to demonize the left and scare old white people.

Wokeness is just a word which has now become a trigger word.  Call it whatever you like.

The term “old white people” is what I’m talking about. That is using a broad brush to characterize an awful lot of people, and in a negative way.  Talk like that causes almost every old white “swing voter” person to vote for Trump. It is insulting and dismissing to a large demographic. And I think that is what Bill is trying to get across. He keeps saying the Left has changed. The Left was always the reasonable side, the side that stood for compassion and equality for all. Not anymore, it seems.

Edited April 7 by Tara

[iMonrey]

2 hours ago, Tara said:

The term “old white people” is what I’m talking about. That is using a broad brush to characterize an awful lot of people, and in a negative way.  Talk like that causes almost every old white “swing voter” person to vote for Trump. It is insulting and dismissing to a large demographic. And I think that is what Bill is trying to get across. He keeps saying the Left has changed. The Left was always the reasonable side, the side that stood for compassion and equality for all. Not anymore, it seems.

Ah, so you understand exactly what I mean. Paint one side with a broad brush to scare the other side into thinking they're under attack so they vote a certain way. Which Bill is helping the right to do. Validating everything the right says about the left. Calling everyone on the left too extreme, based on what he's apparently heard from the right. It's weird to think some people voted for Trump because Bill validated right wing propaganda. You're right, it's insulting to say Democrats no longer stand for compassion and equality for all based on what a handful of people have said or done and then pretending all Democrats believe the same way.

[Tara]

I left out FAR left. Bill always clarifies that. No one says Democrats.

[Pike Ludwell]

So Bill spent like an hour with Trump at the WH and does a long report on how sane and what a nice, great guy he *really* is. Others have said the same thing, so it's no surprise Trump knows how to act that way. Why couldn't it have dawned on Bill that Trump knows how to put on good behavior when needed? Why isn't it that he was using Bill. What about all the people who have known Trump closely for years, including family members, who have grown to despise him? Why choose to spend so much time on how he now knows the "real" Trump is sane and a really good guy? Seems very naive of Bill. What matters are his policies ... Bill spent too much time complimenting Trump.

Edited Saturday at 07:07 PM by Pike Ludwell

[The Solution]

Yeah, I think Bill reported truthfully what he saw with his Dinner With Trump, but I also think Bill got played. If Trump is good at anything, it's manipulating people.

[Soapy Goddess]

2 hours ago, Pike Ludwell said:

So Bill spent like an hour with Trump at the WH and does a long report on how sane and what a nice, great guy he *really* is. Others have said the same thing, so it's no surprise he knows how to act that way. Why isn't it that Trump knows how to put on good behavior when needed? Why isn't it that he was using Bill. What about all the people who have known Trump closely for years, including family members, who have grown to despise him? Why choose to spend so much time on how he now knows the "real" Trump is sane and a really good guy? Seems very naive of Bill. What matters are his policies ... Bill spent too much time complimenting Trump.

I think you're missing the whole point of their meeting. Bill, like many people, is tired of all the hate for the "other side". He wanted to meet to see if they could talk about what's going on in the world, and they did.

Bill is far from naive. He had no idea how their meeting would go, but seemed pleasantly surprised that Trump is actually "normal". And as Bill explained, Trump's persona is that of a typical NY'er. Perhaps only those who live on the east coast can understand what I mean

As for family members dissing Trump, there's one in every family. Mary Trump is like Samantha Markle...jealous, and looking for her 15 minutes of fame. 

[Lillith]

6 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

 

Bill is far from naive. He had no idea how their meeting would go, but seemed pleasantly surprised that Trump is actually "normal". And as Bill explained, Trump's persona is that of a typical NY'er. Perhaps only those who live on the east coast can understand what I mean

 

I am from the East Coast as a matter of fact, like Trump have lived most of my life in Queens and Manhattan. His "persona" is that of a douche, the vast majority of NYers loathe him. So that argument, I'm sorry, does not hold water. 

Bill considers himself to by a cynic, but fell for someone he's battled with and watched for many years being on good behavior. 

[debbie311]

I'm king of surprised that Bill would be fooled by Trump's phony act.  He got played.  And the fact that Trump acted like a different person is an indication that he is not "normal." Really, Bill?  I thought you were more savvy, more intelligent. You don't want to admit it, Bill, you may have not drank the full glass of kool-aid, but you tasted it and liked it.

And it's not just Mary Trump who has said what kind of person Trump is - it is practically EVERYONE who has worked with and for him.  He's a bad guy.

[iMonrey]

I think Bill just doesn't want to end up in an El Savador prison so he's kissing Trump's ass like everyone else who's afraid of him. Trump did sue Bill once, so he knows he's on his shit list.

[The Solution]

2 hours ago, Lillith said:

I am from the East Coast as a matter of fact, like Trump have lived most of my life in Queens and Manhattan. His "persona" is that of a douche, the vast majority of NYers loathe him. So that argument, I'm sorry, does not hold water. 

Words cannot express how much I loathe this guy. Yeah, I can be brash, "to-the-point", and even a little bit of a douche at times, but this guy? I saw through him to the petty little punk con man he was the minute he came on the scene over 40 years ago. Him and his whole dirtbag family.

Whew. Thanks for letting me express myself. I've been holding it in.

Edited Saturday at 04:23 PM by The Solution
I don't type so good

[sistermagpie]

10 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

I think you're missing the whole point of their meeting. Bill, like many people, is tired of all the hate for the "other side". He wanted to meet to see if they could talk about what's going on in the world, and they did.

 

How can anyone talk about what's going on in the world with Trump, the guy who automatically responds with "I haven't heard about that" if asked about anything inconvenient or just makes up a lie that sounds good to him in the moment? All he ever knows about what's going on in the world is that he's great and anyone who disagrees should be punished. He has no interest in the world beyond that.

Seems like Bill at best just wants to live in a fantasy world where our problem is people needing to get to know and appreciate Trump and his supporters. 

Edited Saturday at 05:52 PM by sistermagpie

[heatherchandler]

12 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

I think you're missing the whole point of their meeting. Bill, like many people, is tired of all the hate for the "other side". He wanted to meet to see if they could talk about what's going on in the world, and they did.

 

Yeah it’s good to hear, it brings hope that the sides will come together.  Too much negativity these days.  Bill is smart guy, he’s trying to bridge the gap.

[Tara]

I think Bill understands that the Trump haters will never accept anything other than him ranting on and on about how disgusting Trump is. I don’t think he was played. I think Bill is the most honest political commentator on TV.  I am very impressed that he doesn’t give in to ratings, which is the biggest problem with Fox, MSNBC and CNN. He is true to himself, and I applaud him. He understands he has lost past supporters and he understands why. He doesn’t let that influence his opinions. Bravo!

[munchiewoman]

The problem I have is that of course Trump can be nice and normal. As a person having a private dinner. But what he projects on the world stage is an asshole bully. Knowing that it's all fake and manipulation only makes it worse. I remember telling someone back in 2015 that I hoped, I really hoped, that the persona trump was projecting was just to get the presidency but that he would be decent once he did.  But I've he saw the post he had, he used it for evil. The fact that he can be decent only makes it worse, IMO. He's choosing to be this disgusting asshole. 

And Bill saying he couldn't have had this kind of conversation with Obama or Clinton? Really? The guy who sang amazing Grace and the guy who played sax on arsenio? Those guys?

 

 

[Soapy Goddess]

16 hours ago, Lillith said:

I am from the East Coast as a matter of fact, like Trump have lived most of my life in Queens and Manhattan. His "persona" is that of a douche, the vast majority of NYers loathe him. So that argument, I'm sorry, does not hold water. 

Bill considers himself to by a cynic, but fell for someone he's battled with and watched for many years being on good behavior. 

Who's arguing? All I said is that's Trump's persona. Nobody says you have to like it or him. 

Cynic or not, I still contend that Bill is nobody's fool.

16 hours ago, debbie311 said:

I'm king of surprised that Bill would be fooled by Trump's phony act.  He got played.  And the fact that Trump acted like a different person is an indication that he is not "normal." Really, Bill?  I thought you were more savvy, more intelligent. You don't want to admit it, Bill, you may have not drank the full glass of kool-aid, but you tasted it and liked it.

And it's not just Mary Trump who has said what kind of person Trump is - it is practically EVERYONE who has worked with and for him.  He's a bad guy.

I don't believe for a second that Bill was fooled. All he said is that he appeared to be a nice guy and was willing to talk/discuss policies. Bill even said they didn't agree on many things.

I am aware that not everyone likes him, but based on what's going on in the world, people tend to project feelings they know nothing about. 

 

[Soapy Goddess]

15 hours ago, iMonrey said:

I think Bill just doesn't want to end up in an El Savador prison so he's kissing Trump's ass like everyone else who's afraid of him. Trump did sue Bill once, so he knows he's on his shit list.

Bill is not afraid of anyone. He's said that he's wanted to see the White House for a long time, and when the opportunity came via DJT, he accepted. So who's zooming who?

12 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

How can anyone talk about what's going on in the world with Trump, the guy who automatically responds with "I haven't heard about that" if asked about anything inconvenient or just makes up a lie that sounds good to him in the moment? All he ever knows about what's going on in the world is that he's great and anyone who disagrees should be punished. He has no interest in the world beyond that.

Seems like Bill at best just wants to live in a fantasy world where our problem is people needing to get to know and appreciate Trump and his supporters. 

There are many people right of center that would welcome the opportunity to have an adult conversation. And yes, it was a fantasy for Bill to see the WH. And from all accounts, it sounds like they had a reasonably enjoyable time, so who are we to judge? IOW, if Bill is fine with his visit, why must everyone shit on it?

[Soapy Goddess]

4 hours ago, munchiewoman said:

And Bill saying he couldn't have had this kind of conversation with Obama or Clinton? Really? The guy who sang amazing Grace and the guy who played sax on arsenio? Those guys?

 

Those guys wanted nothing to do with Bill...which makes it impossible to have ANY kind of conversation. If either of "those guys" cared to have a conversation with Bill, you'd think at least one of them would have extended an invitation.

[debbie311]

I think of it this way.  Let's say you work for someone who bullies, demeans (mocks, calls names).  You go to their house for dinner and wow, they are nice.  Does that excuse their bad behavior?  No, now it makes you wonder what kind of person is this. Normal? No. Now you have doubts that you can believe anything this person says or does.

Many vicious dictators in history, even serial killers have been shown to be quite personable.  You need to be savvy enough not to be drawn in. I am surprised that Bill was.

Bill made it crystal clear that he doesn't give a f*** what his viewers think of him, so I don't see any need to continue this conversation, personally.

[DoctorAtomic]

I know this board is not particularly pro-Bill, but if Bobby invited me to the White House, I'd probably go too. Bill did point out that *on that night* (several times) Trump wasn't unhinged or ranting. I don't think he was played. I mean, he told Trump right to his face that he blew it with the Iran deal. I would have too. He did. It's a fact that the deal was working. 

Not for nothing, when W was president, Bill said on the show, if he ever met him, he'd still treat him with the respect of the office. So I don't see any inconsistency there. 

And the guy on the panel did bring up whether Trump was there in good faith or not. Bill didn't particularly care for it, but the criticism was valid to me as well. Both can be true at the same time. The audience seemed to agree. As much as I mostly agree with Bill, he doesn't take criticism well. 

I never really cared for Morgan, and he just doesn't strike me as knowing much about anything. 

I live in a red area, and I have to work with conservatives. Some probably voted for Trump. I don't have the luxury of not associating with people who have different political views. I would have been happy for vote for Bernie, universal health care, President AOC someday maybe, all that. I still have to live in the real world where my vote doesn't really count and I have to work with these people. Now, no one is wearing maga hats or anything like that, so it's not that extreme. 

Let's also not forget that after his book report, Bill tore Bannon a new one. That guy is deranged, and he should be on the show so we can learn how these people think. 

I think what I would have asked Bill would be if Trump really remembered that he did things like kill the Iran deal, all that. I tend to think Miller and those guys are mostly running the show and handing him orders to sign. Trump was a terrible president, he's still a terrible president, and he's going to finish up being one of the most terrible presidents of the postwar era. Bannon is delusional if he thinks he's running for a third term. The RNC will shove him aside.

Edited Sunday at 05:10 PM by DoctorAtomic

[Lillith]

10 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Who's arguing? All I said is that's Trump's persona. Nobody says you have to like it or him. 

 

 

Perhaps I didn't state myself clearly. Let me rephrase. You said his persona is that of a typical New Yorker. As a New Yorker I disagree. I've always thought Trump was an obnoxious jerk since I was a kid, my opinion of him never improved. We consider him to be the worst of both the NYC and the US persona stereotypes rolled into one. 

I have quite a few conservative friends and I strongly think speaking to those you disagree with, or have different beliefs than, is important. However in this case, and with the concerning things going on, this seems more like bending the knee instead of reaching across the aisle.  

[Shrek]

1 hour ago, DoctorAtomic said:

I Bannon is delusional if he thinks he's running for a third term. The RNC will shove him aside.

I guess I'm delusional as well because I just can't see him just walking away after 4 years or the RNC shoving him aside, they both like the power a little too much for that. The only way he willingly walks away IMO is in a golden box.

[Pike Ludwell]

Bottom line, Maher spent nearly 15 minutes primarily praising Trump to the hilt, trying to paint him as a great guy, when there was every reason to suspect he was being played. And Trump's doing things so un-American, why build him up based on a brief meeting? (Just a few examples: Targeting law firms, deporting innocents w/o due process, EO to punish people who said the 2020 election was fair, pardoning people who attacked cops, etc. -- just the beginning!) Bill was played! This report is exactly what Trump wanted. Bill didn't need to lavish such praise on this man whose policies indicate he's a severe paranoid/ignoramus, acting on his delusions/ignorance. He is dangerous and should not be assisted. Bill wants to just overlook all that and say we should all just be friends, and help Trump in the process. Bill has good intent, but it's being naively misapplied.

Edited Sunday at 08:21 PM by Pike Ludwell

[Dimity]

7 minutes ago, Pike Ludwell said:

Bill has good intent, but it's being naively misapplied.

Bill's a good example of a smart man who thinks because he's smart he can't be fooled.  People tend to equate gullibility with a lack of intelligence but that's not the truism we might like to believe it is.

[lovinbob]

I don't fault Bill for having dinner with Trump. I fault him for thinking he accomplished anything by doing it. And for lecturing me and other liberals  about it. 
 

Whether or not Bill was fooled, Trump's ability to be civil and pleasant for 90 minutes doesn't mean a damn thing and it won't change the way he governs. Which is the problem. 

Bill is soooo thin-skinned. His credibility is shot. 

Edited Tuesday at 02:30 AM by lovinbob

[Hanahope]

On 4/12/2025 at 3:14 PM, heatherchandler said:

Yeah it’s good to hear, it brings hope that the sides will come together.  Too much negativity these days.  Bill is smart guy, he’s trying to bridge the gap.

IOW, the left must just give up and agree with everything the gop says.  Thanks

[Winston Wolfe]

3 hours ago, Pike Ludwell said:

. And Trump's doing things so un-American, why build him up based on a brief meeting? (Just a few examples: Targeting law firms, deporting innocents w/o due process, EO to punish people who said the 2020 election was fair, pardoning people who attacked cops, etc. -- just the beginning!

That's EXACTLY what I don't understand. Why does it matter that Trump can mimic normal human behavior when every day we wake up to a fresh atrocity?

[iMonrey]

10 hours ago, debbie311 said:

Bill made it crystal clear that he doesn't give a f*** what his viewers think of him, so I don't see any need to continue this conversation, personally.

Bill grows increasingly antagonistic towards what he thinks of as the woke mob on the left. But his perception of the left is exactly how right wing propaganda defines it. His bitterness about progressives who criticize him is pushing him straight into MAGA-hood. He's aligning himself more and more with the right because they're the ones who are championing him now. I don't know what his ratings are like but for every progressive he loses as a viewer he probably gains a right winger who loves hearing him shit all over Democrats. Plus he keeps inviting right wing propagandists on his show.

I honestly don't know how much longer HBO will tolerate him if he continues down this path. Maybe as long as they're happy with his ratings. But honestly, at this point if Real Time was cancelled it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Bill show up on Fox or some other right wing channel.

[Soapy Goddess]

14 hours ago, debbie311 said:

Bill made it crystal clear that he doesn't give a f*** what his viewers think of him, so I don't see any need to continue this conversation, personally.

Fine by me. I was only responding to those who think Bill was played. But if Bill doesn't give a fuck one way or other, who are we to judge motives? 

[Soapy Goddess]

13 hours ago, Lillith said:

Perhaps I didn't state myself clearly. Let me rephrase. You said his persona is that of a typical New Yorker. As a New Yorker I disagree.

And that's your prerogative. 

13 hours ago, Lillith said:

I've always thought Trump was an obnoxious jerk since I was a kid, my opinion of him never improved. We consider him to be the worst of both the NYC and the US persona stereotypes rolled into one. 

Agree he sometimes says and does things that are questionable, but as a NY'er it simply doesn't bother me as it does others.

 

13 hours ago, Lillith said:

I have quite a few conservative friends and I strongly think speaking to those you disagree with, or have different beliefs than, is important. However in this case, and with the concerning things going on, this seems more like bending the knee instead of reaching across the aisle.  

Bill bending a knee? Sorry, but I don't agree. He's never been anyone's fool.

11 hours ago, Pike Ludwell said:

Maher spent nearly 15 minutes primarily praising Trump to the hilt, trying to paint him as a great guy, when there was every reason to suspect he was being played. And Trump's doing things so un-American, why build him up based on a brief meeting?

Bill has a mind of his own. And if he feels things went well, why should anyone question his feelings?

11 hours ago, Pike Ludwell said:

Bill didn't need to lavish such praise on this man whose policies indicate he's a severe paranoid/ignoramus, acting on his delusions/ignorance. He is dangerous and should not be assisted. Bill wants to just overlook all that and say we should all just be friends, and help Trump in the process. Bill has good intent, but it's being naively misapplied.

Actually, Bill didn't have to say a damn thing!  And what's so wrong about trying to mend fences?  You don't have to agree with everything someone does or says in order to be civil with one another. And if you think he's being naive, then that's on you, not Bill.

[Soapy Goddess]

10 hours ago, lovinbob said:

His credibility is shot. 

One civil conversation and his credibility is shot? So much for trying.

[anony.miss]

3 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

One civil conversation and his credibility is shot? So much for trying.

Trump'a corruption precludes any possibility of a "civil" conversation - that kind of  exchange can't be had with a rapist, insurrectionist and felon.

And Maher used to know that. Calling out bad faith assholes was something he once did as easily as breathing. He'd piss on hypocrites, narcissists and corrupt politicians with flair and glee  - but now? Jesus. it's cringe inducing watching him become the kind of ego-driven idiot he used to mock back in the day - pompous, foolish, clueless, and most of all, unfunny - the social satirist of 'Politically Incorrect' now a lazy, dull-brained stoner, endlessly bitching about the left and wokism and college kids not buying tickets to his shows, even as the current resident  of the White House destroys American prestige, power and prosperity.

Original Recipe Maher would've visited Trump, raised an eyebrow, and then warned us that any president who had thatmuch time to be gracious to a comic was not fit to sit in the Oval  - "Priorities? Trump has none beyond glad-handing whoever turns up to eat a Big Mac with him -  me, January 6th terrorists, Putin - quake in your boots, America. I've been to the White House and I'm here to tell you: We're fucked but good." Instead, we get this shit -  this complete and utter bullshit, pretending to be truth with no hidden agenda. The man Maher once was would be horrified by the old fool he's become (while doing a killer set about it).

Edited Monday at 10:24 AM by anony.miss

[Tara]

6 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Agree he sometimes says and does things that are questionable, but as a NY'er it simply doesn't bother me as it does others.

I agree with that. As another NY’er, I’m used to that kind of personality. I was watching the Suerbowl with a fellow NY’er who can’t stand a player I won’t name because of all the commercials he does.  He said, “I hope someone shoves a football up his ass. Let’s see if State Farm covers that.”  No one took it seriously.😂

[lovinbob]

6 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

One civil conversation and his credibility is shot? So much for trying.

As I said, I have no issue with his sitting down with Trump. The issue is with the way he reacted to even a hint of criticism -- he should be embarrassed by the way he spoke to Josh Rogin. And, frankly, by the "lesson" he tried to impart about why liberals suck and Trump's not a terrible person (in private when he speaks to other rich white men with large media platforms).

That's why his credibility is shot. 

[heatherchandler]

11 minutes ago, lovinbob said:

As I said, I have no issue with his sitting down with Trump. The issue is with the way he reacted to even a hint of criticism -- he should be embarrassed by the way he spoke to Josh Rogin. And, frankly, by the "lesson" he tried to impart about why liberals suck and Trump's not a terrible person (in private when he speaks to other rich white men with large media platforms).

That's why his credibility is shot. 

Josh Rogin was patronizing him.  “It’s not you Bill, we love you!”  It was weird.

[Dimity]

46 minutes ago, Tara said:

I agree with that. As another NY’er, I’m used to that kind of personality.

New Yorkers don't have the market cornered on loud, abrasive people who are rude just for the sake of being rude.  I've never understood why they think this is something to brag about.

[Tara]

21 minutes ago, Dimity said:

New Yorkers don't have the market cornered on loud, abrasive people who are rude just for the sake of being rude.  I've never understood why they think this is something to brag about.

I once heard someone ask a New Yorker why they have a reputation for being rude. He replied, “We are not rude and fuck you for implying we are.”

[The Solution]

4 hours ago, Tara said:

“I hope someone shoves a football up his ass. Let’s see if State Farm covers that.”

That sounds like something I would say. I'm fun to watch TV with.

[sistermagpie]

On 4/12/2025 at 10:08 PM, munchiewoman said:

And Bill saying he couldn't have had this kind of conversation with Obama or Clinton? Really? The guy who sang amazing Grace and the guy who played sax on arsenio? Those guys?

 

TBF, both of them had other priorities, whereas being in the media is central to Trump's presidency. The guy used to spend whole mornings as president on the phone with Fox & Friends.

Did this meeting do anything about the hate that's getting people trafficked endangered and killed or is this just about dinner parties?

Edited Monday at 06:34 PM by sistermagpie

[Shrek]

After watching the show, I don't really care about the meeting but that Steve Bannon is one seriously dangerous guy to both the country & anyone who gets in the way of his beliefs.  As for the other guests, Josh Rogin embodies everything that is wrong the Dems at the moment, he doesn't listen to anything but the voice in his head & piers Morgan is...........................................just his usual self, a pain in everyone's ass, but you know what you're getting with him.

[Soapy Goddess]

17 hours ago, lovinbob said:

he should be embarrassed by the way he spoke to Josh Rogin.

I think Josh deserved a little discipline. He continued to rant and speak over Bill, which IMO is disrespectful to the host/moderator.

17 hours ago, Dimity said:

New Yorkers don't have the market cornered on loud, abrasive people who are rude just for the sake of being rude.  I've never understood why they think this is something to brag about.

Who's bragging? All we said is that we understand this type of personality...and it doesn't bother us. Nothing more. 

[anony.miss]

18 hours ago, Dimity said:

  I've never understood why they think this is something to brag about.

In my experience, most New Yorkers I've met don't feel that way, and are very sharp-tongued when anybody trades in played-out "rude & crude" stereotypes (as one woman I worked for said to me when I first moved here:  "The blowhards are always transplants from Jersey" ;)  

~don't come for me! i live in jersey! all hail the garden state!

Edited Tuesday at 08:23 AM by anony.miss

[Tara]

22 hours ago, lovinbob said:

The issue is with the way he reacted to even a hint of criticism -- he should be embarrassed by the way he spoke to Josh Rogin

Bill reacted to someone calling him a prop and saying 99% of the Internet agrees with him. Bill reacted perfectly.  Rogin is probably embarrassed he got called out on national TV.

4 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Who's bragging? All we said is that we understand this type of personality...and it doesn't bother us. Nothing more. 

Agree. When Cake Boss (NY/NJ—same thing in that way) was on, a lot of viewers thought him brash and arrogant. I was surprised at that….I didn’t see him that way at all.

Edited Tuesday at 12:38 PM by Tara