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3 hours ago, Slakkie said:

No it is not. I was a Executive Director myself at a Fortune 50 company before I retired, 3-5 years is about average.  Many of her jobs were less that 3 years.  At that level it takes more time than that.  I am not saying she is bad but it was a lot of quick laterals.  I find it strange that she never stayed IN a company but instead moved - its odd.

Currently in the C-suite at Fortune 50 company and I can attest that it is quite common, especially of late.

Ascending to Chief Officer as a woman, especially a woman of color, is extremely rare and should be applauded. At that level, she was likely poached by other companies offering increasingly competitive compensation packages. Good on her for following the money. PepsiCo, Apple, Uber, Netflix is an impressive list. https://www.linkedin.com/in/bozoma-saint-john-0305441/details/experience/

You may not care for her on the show but I've no doubt she earned those stripes.

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On 1/8/2025 at 1:40 AM, sheetmoss said:

Martyn Lawrence Bullard is the real deal -  he used to be on a past Bravo reality series, Million Dollar Decorators

https://www.bravotv.com/people/martyn-lawrence-bullard

 

Wow!  Quite impressive.  Makes me mad that EJ gets to continue her wild spending habits without a thought to Tom's real victims.  Seeing his clientele, I would be surprised if he thought a stint on Bravo's RH franchise with a wanna-be celebrity was something he needed for his career.

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How is Erika paying for this interior designer to the stars? Didn’t she balk at the price of a knickknack in the first episode when she and Dorit met up because Dorit was going to help her design her home? I guess Dorit is too caught up in her vendettas to dust off her Buca De Peppo (or whatever it is) look book. But, fear not, Kim Kardashian’s designer is here with a coffee table book…and maybe he’s doing some pro bono work so the masses will flock to Amazon to purchase it.

4 hours in couples therapy?!? Dear Lord! I love my husband, and we have a great marriage. But even I would be threatening divorce and heading for the door if we had to spend 4 hours straight talking about our problems. Yikes! Somehow this came to a great shock to Dorit, even though Pk moved out and gave her the don’t call me, I (won’t) call you. But I guess since she’s still trying to berate Kyle into being a friend…and now Sutton too… I guess she’ll just screech at Pk until he loves her again. I mean, it seems like a foolproof plan to me. I don’t know why any of these people wouldn’t want to be around Dorit yelling and swearing and wagging her finger in their faces.

I’m kind of surprised to see so much anti-Boz sentiment here. I like her! Yeah, the poor woman somehow is only relegated to being Dorit’s friend, but I’m a big fan of her talking heads—how these women pick words out of the air and throw it back in each other’s faces. Yes, they do! 

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1 hour ago, JenE4 said:

 

I’m kind of surprised to see so much anti-Boz sentiment here. I like her! Yeah, the poor woman somehow is only relegated to being Dorit’s friend, but I’m a big fan of her talking heads—how these women pick words out of the air and throw it back in each other’s faces. Yes, they do! 

I agree-& I want THAT Boz to show herself.  The one who said these women Never say exactly why they're mad. Its many layers, and under that rock another rock and a toad and a rock under the toad, but she's not scared.  Someone duct tape Dorit's mouth shut so the woman can get in the mix.

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On 1/9/2025 at 7:24 PM, Cosmocrush said:

And even though it's ancient history, when Kyle finally publicly called Kim an alcoholic it was in the context of Kim accusing Kyle of "stealing her house" when it fact Kyle and Mauricio bought her out of the shared inherited house when Kim needed the money.  They had been carrying her for a while.   All that to say, I never held that against Kyle because unless someone has an addict in their family it's hard to describe how much they can take and take and take.  

Exactly - Addict Kim can put out there that Kyle stole her house, and Kyle is supposed to take it and shut up.  Kyle may not be any prize but I'll take her over either sister any day.

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On 1/9/2025 at 4:41 PM, Mar said:

I think Kyle brought her on, perhaps, as a favor to get her name out there more than it is already. Kyle has been sharing stuff on Instagram for quite a while of her and Keisha. Along with Morgan, they recently did an African safari trip. She posted a photo of herself and Kesha in front of the jeep and if you look closely, you can see Morgan hiding back behind one of the seats so that she didn’t show in the photo.The original was in color, but it made the file too large to upload, so I changed it to black and white.

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This took me a moment…😂😂😂😂

To clarify, the other women in the image is Morgan's manager, Mary. She and her friend/colleague were the other two people on the safari with Morgan and Kyle. Kesha WAS, however, on a vacation in September at Lake Tahoe with Kyle, Farrah, Morgan, plus Kyle's two close friends Jenn and Jana. They're definitely friends and have been out and about places. Kesha also was featured on a track of Morgan's album that came out last year. 

 

On 1/10/2025 at 9:59 AM, 90DayFart said:

Table for one...but I really don't think it's a big deal if Kyle and PK are sending some casual "texes" back and forth. They had a relationship as couple friends for many years, so why can't that continue?

I separated with my husband last year, and several of my friends who also became his friend over the years, are still in contact with him. I'm sure they would stop if I asked them to, but I see no reason to do that.

Seems incredibly immature to make such a big deal about it and act like it's so scandalous, but YMMV. 

A quote from pre-premiere press about the texting issue from Kyle:

“PK and I have always had this brother-sister banter that Dorit always loved and she would always talk about,” Richards told DECIDER over a Zoom call. “We even talked about, when Dorit and I weren’t speaking, that PK and I would send funny memes and stuff. We always knew that we would be friends again, and she never cared about that.”

However, this time was different. With Dorit and PK on the outs and Dorit’s friendship with Richards more strained than ever, the fashion designer seemingly had a problem with her estranged husband continuing to “send funny things” to her former BFF.

“It became like, ‘Why is he even sending you this stuff?’ And I was like, ‘Oh, my God,'” Richards explained. “It just became way bigger than it was. And I felt really like my character was being questioned. I thought, ‘You know who I am. You know my character. You know this is nothing like that. Like, why are you trying to make something out of nothing?'”

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11 hours ago, princelina said:

Exactly - Addict Kim can put out there that Kyle stole her house, and Kyle is supposed to take it and shut up.  Kyle may not be any prize but I'll take her over either sister any day.

Kim also lives in one of Kyle's houses for some time. It's where the police went more than once because the neighbors complained, and the media reported it. I think that Kyle cares about her sister, and the first season incident in the van was an unfortunate one. She also asked the producers to include her in the show in order to have a source of income, and possibly get other acting offers because of the exposure. 

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To be clear, I have compassion for everything Kyle has and does go through with Kim, and I do believe her about the house, as well as Kyle and Mauricio being supportive of Kim. It's her double standards I can't stand. 

It's Kyle being all indignant about what you do and do not talk about on the show that I don't care for. She has one set of rules for herself, and another set for everyone else. Kim's troubles were not glaring in season one, but they were the following seasons. It wasn't fair for the women to have to pretend otherwise imo. Kyle shows the same double standards many years later when it comes to the relationship gossip. She pushed the Brandi and Denise story and for Denise to "be honest," but then flips out about how wrong it is for people to ask her about her and Morgan. It was clear Denise was very uncomfortable and wanted the women to drop it. On the other hand, Kyle's storylines were literally her troubled marriage and whatever kind of relationship she had with Morgan. 

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8 hours ago, nicole21290 said:

However, this time was different. With Dorit and PK on the outs and Dorit’s friendship with Richards more strained than ever, the fashion designer seemingly had a problem with her estranged husband continuing to “send funny things” to her former BFF.

 

This took me a minute because I was thinking, "fashion designer,"???  Oh I guess those long ago swimsuits for Dorito's defunct vanity line might count as fashion. 

Why does Dorito think her kids don't know what's going on?  They aren't toddlers.  Surely they notice their father (and his stuff) are no longer there and they see him alone at his new apartment where none of their mother's stuff is around.  Dumb Dumb Dorito. 

 

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On 1/8/2025 at 11:39 AM, Natalie68 said:

I was bemused by the outfits. Kyle looking like she's partying in the late 80's. A little too long in the tooth to dress like Lita Ford. And WTF with her lips??? 

Kyle has had some very good cosmetic work, but in the outdoor scene when she was drinking the beer (non-alcoholic) she looked her age. Meanwhile, in the THs she looks 10-15 years younger. 

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On 1/7/2025 at 7:43 PM, janiema said:

I don’t understand why Boz would give up a high level corporate job for being Dorit’s sidekick. 

It sounds like from her earlier comment she was kind of ... encouraged to resign. 

On 1/7/2025 at 8:14 PM, Mindthinkr said:

I want to know how that therapy session lasted FOUR hours, when Dorit stated that PK left abruptly. Did she alone bend the ear of the professional for 3 1/2 hours? Whoever it was…they earned their money. 

I don't blame PK for leaving. I couldn't stand more than 30 minutes of Dorit's blather. 

Why is Sutton getting attacked for stating the obvious with Dorit? Sutton was not a bully. Dorit is the one who is mad at the world. 

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10 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Kim also lives in one of Kyle's houses for some time. It's where the police went more than once because the neighbors complained, and the media reported it. I think that Kyle cares about her sister, and the first season incident in the van was an unfortunate one. She also asked the producers to include her in the show in order to have a source of income, and possibly get other acting offers because of the exposure. 

Last year, the two TMZ reports mentioned it, but it goes back to just after Kim went through the arrest and public mess in 2015. 

https://people.com/tv/kyle-richards-requests-removal-sister-kim-dog-bite-lawsuit/

Five months later, in April 2015, Kim “entered an addiction treatment facility” and soon after stopped living at the Sherman Oaks home. As of December 2015, Kim began living at an Encino condo that was purchased for her to live in by Kyle; Kim lives there rent-free and the pair does “not have a lease agreement,” the suit states.

After Kim moved into the Encino property, the suit alleges that Kyle “did not receive any information about Kingsley residing” at the home, nor did she “permit or condone Kingsley being present.”

The documents state that Kyle was not present at the Encino property from December 2015 through April 9, 2016, and “believed that Kingsley was relinquished and given away by [Kim] in November 2014.”

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On 1/7/2025 at 9:04 PM, ButterQueen said:

Kyle’s lips…..good lord!!!

When she is looking pensive, it looks odd, like she's sticking her lips out. There is also something different about her jawline/chin. 

On 1/8/2025 at 7:49 AM, Mindthinkr said:

If he is staying sober then why did he have a glass of red wine in front of him at the dinner at Garcelle’s new beach house? It was my understanding that when an addict overcomes one substance they generally need to stay away from any mind altering substances lest they trade one addiction for another.

I notice the wine too and was concerned. 

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I'm not sure if it was the producers or Boz who decided that she should be Dorito's sounding board/confidante, but its never a good idea for a new HW to make strong alliances so fast. The audience members that dislike Dorito won't like Boz either. Plus its another thing for the others to complain about. Im wondering if she wasn't in ever_ Dorito scene listing to her rant, if the audience perception would be different. 

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13 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Kim also lives in one of Kyle's houses for some time. It's where the police went more than once because the neighbors complained, and the media reported it. I think that Kyle cares about her sister, and the first season incident in the van was an unfortunate one. She also asked the producers to include her in the show in order to have a source of income, and possibly get other acting offers because of the exposure. 

And I'm sure she hoped it would cause her to straighten up and act right - the mistake enablers make all the time.  And when they're proved wrong it's just another reason why they're supposed to shut up and not make waves.  Unpopular opinion coming:  I have no problem at all with Kyle outing Kim in season 1.  It was a long time coming I'm sure, and did encourage her to give rehab a try.  Unfortunately it didn't work, as is the case for many addicts who feel coerced.  But at least she got to see what was available if she ever actually wants to get help.

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On 1/10/2025 at 8:22 AM, lemoncake said:

The only reason I know the name Kesha is because back in the day I watched Teen Mom, and one of TM's biggest trainwrecks was and is Janelle, who was supposed to report for a 16 day jail sentence for testing positive for weed, but told her probation officer she wasn't going to report and was willing to get slapped with a 45 day sentence  because she had tickets to a Kesha concert. She whined about how she had second row seats and already had feathers in her hair!! 

OMG I have laughed about that incident for years. I used to watch Teen Mom and will always remember Janelle explaining that she couldn’t go to jail because she had Kesha concert tickets 😂  She looked so sincere when explaining that its the reason she had all the feathers in her hair. 

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8 hours ago, nicole21290 said:

Last year, the two TMZ reports mentioned it, but it goes back to just after Kim went through the arrest and public mess in 2015. 

https://people.com/tv/kyle-richards-requests-removal-sister-kim-dog-bite-lawsuit/

Five months later, in April 2015, Kim “entered an addiction treatment facility” and soon after stopped living at the Sherman Oaks home. As of December 2015, Kim began living at an Encino condo that was purchased for her to live in by Kyle; Kim lives there rent-free and the pair does “not have a lease agreement,” the suit states.

After Kim moved into the Encino property, the suit alleges that Kyle “did not receive any information about Kingsley residing” at the home, nor did she “permit or condone Kingsley being present.”

The documents state that Kyle was not present at the Encino property from December 2015 through April 9, 2016, and “believed that Kingsley was relinquished and given away by [Kim] in November 2014.”

So, Kim lives at the apartment Kyle bought for her since the end of 2015. And it seems she went to rehab at least once....

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On 1/7/2025 at 9:43 PM, Stats Queen said:

I think she retired early, but yeah why is she Dorit’s sidekick?

Rarely post anymore, but was so curious to know how y’all saw this duo. I was thinking the clue is in Boz’s tagline about marketing herself, “the greatest product.” Boz figures the screen time is worth hanging out with tv’s biggest ditz. Plus the ditz has managed to market her creepy self pretty well, and Boz is drawn to that.

But there’s also a clue in the Boz backstory - her propensity to fall for cons. Despite her last boyfriend, she’s willing to glom on to Dorit, the biggest fraud on the show.

Boz will likely wake up one of these days.

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13 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

It's all in the lighting.  😉

Even as a younger me would high tail it out of any bar before last call when they turn on the lights!

We are a generation that have gone on to do fillers, botox, repeated cosmetic surgery on our faces and bodies, I can only imagine how those women will look at 80. sooner or later Kyle will look her age and hopefully be ok with it.

9 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Despite her last boyfriend, she’s willing to glom on to Dorit, the biggest fraud on the show.

Boz will likely wake up one of these days.

I remember one of either Dorit or Boz recounting their meeting and one of them describing the other as fun but all that meeting was was talking about their ex's, what was fun about that?

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15 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

Why is Sutton getting attacked for stating the obvious with Dorit? Sutton was not a bully. Dorit is the one who is mad at the world. 

Yes, of course she is clearly mad and lashing out at everyone.  But, (and this is no way a defense of Dorit) Sutton yelling that back to her wasn't helpful and I would expect a friend (or even someone friendly) to understand that without shouting it back to me in front of everyone.  It would feel like an attack.  Does that make sense?

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16 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

Kyle has had some very good cosmetic work, but in the outdoor scene when she was drinking the beer (non-alcoholic) she looked her age. Meanwhile, in the THs she looks 10-15 years younger. 

That's strange because the older I get, the more I want to be in outdoor lighting! Fluorescent lighting specifically does nothing for me, and it's hard to avoid. 

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5 hours ago, nexxie said:

Is this the house we’ve seen on the show? Forgot the neighborhood name Kathy Hilton mentioned when delivering the suitcase to Boz.

https://www.bravotv.com/the-daily-dish/bozoma-saint-john-house-decor-see-inside-video

I found this with her giving a tour of her home and she mentions it’s in the city and it does not have the look of a Malibu beach house, so I’m guessing the beach house that she lost in the fire was a second home.

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I thought Box was supposed to be so fabulous but she's boring so far & up Dorit's aas. 

Dorit lost her accent for a bit yelling lol.

I am over Dorit & Kyle's fight tho it isn't that entertaining.

Sutton needs to chill. I generally don't mind her but she was too much this episode.

Erika is still releasing music? Who is asking for it lol. She was on WWHL & her typically bitchy self lol. It was kind of entertaining.

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