Chit-Chat: The Feels

[Turquoise]

7 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

Yes people call names and some say crazy things like that, usually about celebrities.  But I’m talking about real life families being torn apart because of Trump, and saying that if someone votes for him they are evil.  
 

No, I’m not talking about online name calling nonsense.  Or even podcasters.  I’m talking about real life brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, friend, neighbors, etc saying that if so and so votes for Trump they will no longer consider them family or friend.  Not showing up to Thanksgiving.  Because they are evil and horrible.  
 

But I never saw republicans say the same thing, like if someone votes for Harris, they may get called libtard or socialist but no one says, I’m cutting them out of my life.  

Some democrats feel that republicans are evil fascists.  But most republicans I know are just people who are doing their best.

I’m not  officially dem or repub so I’ve seen it all and heard it all.  And I actually see both sides, which I think is rare.  I watch cnn, msnbc and Fox.  

 

Well, I had a former relative (in-law) declare in writing that anyone that disagrees with Trump should be rounded up and executed. He was encouraging his friends to stockpile ammunition so they would be ready. Not saying all supporters are like that, but you can't say it doesn't exist. 

[Palimelon]

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I was rather surprised that Harris didn't use Buttigieg as a surrogate during the campaign. Not that he doesn't have a ft job as TransSec, but he's the guy you go to when you want to reach the Fox demographic. 

I really hope he considers a run for office again.  I would love to see him come in and run for Governor of Indiana, but I would also like him to take another stab at POTUS.  People know him now, they see he has federal gov't experience and he ticks a lot of boxes. IMO he's Obama 2.0.

It's 2024 and for many Americans, they still can't seem to stomach the idea of having a female president. I don't see America being able to stomach having a gay man for president, even in 2028. He could be a good choice for VP for whoever is the nominee in 2028, but I'm not sure he could win as the choice for president.

And I say this as a gay man.

[nokat]

6 minutes ago, Palimelon said:

It's 2024 and for many Americans, they still can't seem to stomach the idea of having a female president. I don't see America being able to stomach having a gay man for president, even in 2028. He could be a good choice for VP for whoever is the nominee in 2028, but I'm not sure he could win as the choice for president.

And I say this as a gay man.

This got very clear when a convicted felon and known rapist (adjudicated rapist) got voted in. An intelligent, knowledgeable woman couldn't win against him.

[Is Everyone Gone]

8 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

Yes people call names and some say crazy things like that, usually about celebrities.  But I’m talking about real life families being torn apart because of Trump, and saying that if someone votes for him they are evil.  
 

No, I’m not talking about online name calling nonsense.  Or even podcasters.  I’m talking about real life brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, friend, neighbors, etc saying that if so and so votes for Trump they will no longer consider them family or friend.  Not showing up to Thanksgiving.  Because they are evil and horrible.  
 

But I never saw republicans say the same thing, like if someone votes for Harris, they may get called libtard or socialist but no one says, I’m cutting them out of my life.  

Some democrats feel that republicans are evil fascists.  But most republicans I know are just people who are doing their best.

I’m not  officially dem or repub so I’ve seen it all and heard it all.  And I actually see both sides, which I think is rare.  I watch cnn, msnbc and Fox.  

 

Social media is a cesspool of constant name calling.  I think it’s mostly bots, and they are trolling to get engagement- people fighting and clicking.  I don’t consider social media real life.  
 

Trump said he would sic the military on democrats?  I can’t imagine that’s true.

Also, as someone that watches all news, please stop spreading the project 2025 nonsense as fact.  Trump didn’t even know what it was.  It’s not legitimate.  The only people talking about it are democrats, as a scare tactic.

Social media and legitimate media (news) is tearing the country apart.  

Well just yesterday at my school i saw a teacher tell a migrant student "I hope you get deported." 

He also told students "immigrants need to be gangbanged out of the country."

It's actually horrifying. This isn't a social media Russian bot. This is real life.

[Spartan Girl]

1 hour ago, Enigma X said:

I agree that many good people tried. It was not mainly good people who did nothing in this case. Many bad people did a lot in the other direction.

True. But the people that knew what the stakes where and decided to sit it out and still decide to tut-tut and nitpick what that the people that were busting their asses trying to stop this were doing when everything blew up? I’m in no mood for them any more.

[Ancaster]

44 minutes ago, Is Everyone Gone said:

Well just yesterday at my school i saw a teacher tell a migrant student "I hope you get deported." 

He also told students "immigrants need to be gangbanged out of the country."

It's actually horrifying. This isn't a social media Russian bot. This is real life.

I hope you reported this person to the school administration - unless it's a school that encourages this kind of thought/talk, in which case, can you transfer?

[Yeah No]

14 hours ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

I voted for her without hesitation. But she was a poor choice and they botched the whole process

Yes she was 'next in line' as VP. That was the same logic for Hillary in 2016.  It failed too. 

You pick the best candidate. Not just someone who 'deserves' it based on positioning.  

I agree with you to an extent but as I said in a previous post, I think the Dems. were between a rock and a hard place in this situation and they knew it. They knew they didn't have anyone that could beat Trump or maybe they would have been gradually nudging Biden not to run again before he even put his hat in the ring for this election. It wouldn't even have had to be about his age or ability to perform either. His approval ratings alone were a sign that he probably wouldn't win. I don't think an incumbent with such low approval ratings is ever considered a good bet to win based on history. 

And I agree 100% that the best candidate is not necessarily who is next in line or deserves it, it's who can WIN. But this is why I've been talking about how the Dems. playing fair and ethical politics is not what is in their best interests with Trump and how they might have had to bend their ethics in order to win this election. Their refusal to do that (which bless them is not in a sane world a bad thing) is what cost them this election. But even if they did that, who would they have put up that could have beaten Trump? I personally love mayor Pete but know that his being gay is a strike against him with the bigoted toxic manosphere bros they would have to win over to beat Trump. So I still think they were in a no-win situation.

I also don't think it would have looked good if they had passed over Kamala and doing that might have caused them more problems with public perception from BOTH sides of the aisle (because remember, many Republican politicians hold Dems. to a higher ethical standard than themselves, including Trump himself). And in the end I feel that despite putting Kamala up as the nominee both she and Biden got royally screwed and were in a no-win situation. My husband had a long conversation with his boss yesterday who made a long list of reasons why both of them were screwed and I agreed with it.

[tearknee]

Not even she could have won! 

[Ohiopirate02]

21 minutes ago, tearknee said:

Did the teacher mean to reach for the word press ganged rather than gang banged?

 

Not like that is any better. There are also reports of African Americans getting text messages saying they need to report to a plantation to become a slave

https://apnews.com/article/text-messages-slavery-racism-black-americans-fbi-708973521d2974bec7514b8622877290

And please save me with the excuses of bots or the Russians. 

[tearknee]

5 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Not like that is any better. There are also reports of African Americans getting text messages saying they need to report to a plantation to become a slave

https://apnews.com/article/text-messages-slavery-racism-black-americans-fbi-708973521d2974bec7514b8622877290

And please save me with the excuses of bots or the Russians. 

I as not being mean about you. I was mocking the teacher. I have an ABI and my filter is funny.

[Ohiopirate02]

Just now, tearknee said:

I as not being mean about you. I was mocking the teacher. I have an ABI and my filter is funny.

Sorry, that last sentence was not directed to you, just to anyone who would try to justify this by placing blame on people outside the US. 

[bluegirl147]

1 hour ago, Palimelon said:

It's 2024 and for many Americans, they still can't seem to stomach the idea of having a female president. I don't see America being able to stomach having a gay man for president, even in 2028. He could be a good choice for VP for whoever is the nominee in 2028, but I'm not sure he could win as the choice for president.

And I say this as a gay man.

A trans person was just elected to Congress (forgive me for not knowing from which state) and I honestly fear for their safety. They will be working along side people who want to forbid them from even existing.

1 hour ago, nokat said:

This got very clear when a convicted felon and known rapist (adjudicated rapist) got voted in. An intelligent, knowledgeable woman couldn't win against him.

I can't help but wonder if a man could have beat Trump. The media can say people voted with their pocketbooks and that is probably true but there was a lot of people who just couldn't bring themselves to vote for a woman.

1 hour ago, Is Everyone Gone said:

Well just yesterday at my school i saw a teacher tell a migrant student "I hope you get deported." 

He also told students "immigrants need to be gangbanged out of the country."

Back in 2000 when my son was in 2nd grade he told me a teacher told their class Al Gore was going to take away their video games.  I thought that was a fucked up thing to do.  And now we have a teacher terrorizing a student.

 

5 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

just to anyone who would try to justify this by placing blame on people outside the US. 

We have more than enough homegrown hate without getting help from Russia or Iran or whoever. 

[tearknee]

7 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Sorry, that last sentence was not directed to you, just to anyone who would try to justify this by placing blame on people outside the US. 

That’s ok.

[Yeah No]

6 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I blame the media, too. The double standards in how they treated Biden and how they treated that orange crayon were rage-inducing. They were merciless after the debate. They basically spread a rumor Biden had Parkinson’s based on barely anything at all. And notice how after Biden dropped out, there was barely a peep about age even though the racist-in-chief is also older than the hills. I will never go as far as that subhuman troll or his base and say the media is the enemy of the people, but my trust in many in the media plummeted after the debate.

I know, I agree and I couldn't believe it. I know the media is trying hard not to embody the right wing criticism that they are biased and left leaning, but I think they're correcting too far in the opposite direction. And I hate to say that by doing this they contributed to the Dems. losing the election. They cared too much what Trump or Fox News said about them. Fox is biased and they don't feel like they have to cater to anyone but themselves so they don't edit themselves like that.

2 hours ago, Palimelon said:

It's 2024 and for many Americans, they still can't seem to stomach the idea of having a female president. I don't see America being able to stomach having a gay man for president, even in 2028. He could be a good choice for VP for whoever is the nominee in 2028, but I'm not sure he could win as the choice for president.

And I say this as a gay man.

I agree with you and how sad that is because I love Pete. But even gayness aside I don't think he would grab the love of the working class wave we have out there now of less than college educated men who would look upon Pete as another one of the elite, because let's face it he's incredibly intelligent, articulate, a freaking Rhodes scholar and a gentleman at that. No, now they want an awful misogynistic brute in the white house and Pete would just look like another elitist Democrat to them. Very sad times....

[bluegirl147]

8 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

I know the media is trying hard not to embody the right wing criticism that they are biased and left leaning, but I think they're correcting too far in the opposite direction

It doesn't help that they are corporately owned.  Or have owners like Bezos who have their own agenda.

One of my local TV stations never called Obama President Obama. It was always Mr. Obama.  But Trump they continued to call President even after the left office.  

Edited November 8 by bluegirl147

[Ohiopirate02]

9 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

It doesn't help that they are corporately owned.  Or have owners like Bezos who have their own agenda.

One of my local TV stations never called Obama President Obama. It was always Mr. Obama.  But Trump they continued to call President even after the left office.  

Many local TV stations are owned by national companies that push their own agenda onto the local news. I know Sinclair Media bought one of my local stations and they now run "news" programs that push the owner's conservative agenda. 

[DrSpaceman73]

13 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

He was not an obviously demented person. That’s your opinion. Unless you have a crystal ball I’m unaware of you have no idea if he could have won or not (and I’m not sure what debate you were watching but I’m pretty sure I recall him finishing it).

I wasn’t saying if there were any actual problems he should remain president. If he really could not go on after elected, he would step aside (like he did) and his competent VP would take over. That is the whole point of the vice president - to take over if the president can’t complete their term.

i already said the Democrats have an extremely talented roster to chose from. I’m not saying it was a choice between Harris and a neophyte. What I was saying is you were the one who said Harris was a poor choice because she made gaffes and mistakes. My point is that unless you think the candidate should be some political newcomer EVERY politician has gaffes and mistakes that can be used against them.

I know Pelosi, freaking Clooney, and the news media were salivating at the idea of a brokered convention, but history shows that that is not necessarily the way to pick a winning campaign. And, like I said, if you think Black women (who are the backbone of the Democratic Party) were to just going to stand aside and watch the qualified Black woman who was second in line get pushed aside, I don’t know what to tell you. With the time that was left, the best choice possible was made. We can Monday morning quarterback it for years, but no one really knows the answers. 

I'm a neurologist.  He is obviously demented based on his debate performance and news reports. 

And even beyond that he had to have done some debate prep. They had to know it wouldn't go well.  Cancel it. Make up an excuse. 

Edited November 8 by DrSpaceman73

[bluegirl147]

3 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Many local TV stations are owned by national companies that push their own agenda onto the local news. I know Sinclair Media bought one of my local stations and they now run "news" programs that push the owner's conservative agenda. 

Yep Sinclair owns my local station.  They don't even try to hide their bias.

[DrSpaceman73]

12 hours ago, dargosmydaddy said:

No, they really shouldn't, should they...

If you're implying trump he's not demented. He is a narcissis and a psychopath even worse.  

 

And i say that not with hyperbole. Clinically he clearly has a serious personality disorder.  

Unfortunately they exist in high number in business and politics. It's should be the party's job to limit their influence and not let them take over a rule an entire structure. Republicans didn't. 

Why i voted straight party Democrat for the first time ever.  And will continue to do so as long as his ilk is in charge. 

Edited November 8 by DrSpaceman73

[bluegirl147]

2 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

Why i voted straight party Democrat for the first time ever.

Since you brought up straight party voting.  That wasn't an option this year in my state. Did anyone else notice if they didn't have that option in their state?

 

[DrSpaceman73]

1 hour ago, Yeah No said:

I agree with you to an extent but as I said in a previous post, I think the Dems. were between a rock and a hard place in this situation and they knew it. They knew they didn't have anyone that could beat Trump or maybe they would have been gradually nudging Biden not to run again before he even put his hat in the ring for this election. It wouldn't even have had to be about his age or ability to perform either. His approval ratings alone were a sign that he probably wouldn't win. I don't think an incumbent with such low approval ratings is ever considered a good bet to win based on history. 

And I agree 100% that the best candidate is not necessarily who is next in line or deserves it, it's who can WIN. But this is why I've been talking about how the Dems. playing fair and ethical politics is not what is in their best interests with Trump and how they might have had to bend their ethics in order to win this election. Their refusal to do that (which bless them is not in a sane world a bad thing) is what cost them this election. But even if they did that, who would they have put up that could have beaten Trump? I personally love mayor Pete but know that his being gay is a strike against him with the bigoted toxic manosphere bros they would have to win over to beat Trump. So I still think they were in a no-win situation.

I also don't think it would have looked good if they had passed over Kamala and doing that might have caused them more problems with public perception from BOTH sides of the aisle (because remember, many Republican politicians hold Dems. to a higher ethical standard than themselves, including Trump himself). And in the end I feel that despite putting Kamala up as the nominee both she and Biden got royally screwed and were in a no-win situation. My husband had a long conversation with his boss yesterday who made a long list of reasons why both of them were screwed and I agreed with it.

You bring up a pot of good points and I agree with. 

There was not a good choice once biden had to drop out. 

Which is why I maintain the real problem was having him run this year in the flrst place. 

Also true the fair play thing doesn't work with trump.  Going back to Supreme Court nominees they were outmaneuvered on that too.  And similar situation they needed some nominees to step Dowm under Obama so they could be replaced then not under trump. 

[Is Everyone Gone]

4 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

If you're implying trump he's not demented. He is a narcissis and a psychopath even worse.  

He presents as a classic sociopath with the complete lack of empathy.

I remember him meeting with a Nobel Prize winner who had lost her entire family due to war. All he did was sulk that the woman had a Nobel prize and he didn't.

[DrSpaceman73]

4 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Since you brought up straight party voting.  That wasn't an option this year in my state. Did anyone else notice if they didn't have that option in their state?

 

I didn't literally choose an option for all democrats. 

 

I just chose all democrats individually

So it may not have been an option in NC even but I voted my mail not in person. 

Edited November 8 by DrSpaceman73

[Calvada]

I'm wondering how many of the things Trump talked about will actually happen.  Tariffs for example.  Aren't there some Republicans in Congress who have the common sense to realize the negative economic impact that would have?  

I am sure that shortly after January 20 they will reintroduce the immigration bill, that one that was a bipartisan effort, the one that Trump had killed, and claim a huge victory.  Why wasn't Trump asked every day during the campaign if issues at the border are so crucial, why did he use his influence to kill this bill so that another couple of years went by without needed resources?  

I have a friend who is terrified her son is going to lose his health insurance.  He doesn't have a job that offers those benefits, so he has obtained insurance because of the ACA.  I have a relative who has two kids in their early 20s who are still on her insurance, one of whom has a pre-existing health issue, a genetic eye condition that has required surgery in the past and will require ongoing care.  What's going to happen to these young people if they get rid of the ACA?  I have many friends and relatives who have daughters and granddaughters, who are terrified that a miscarriage will result in their death because of Trump abortion bans.  I am a cancer survivor.  What will happen to my ability to retain my health insurance?  

[Ohiopirate02]

6 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

I didn't literally choose an option for all democrats. 

 

I just chose all democrats individually

So it may not have been an option in NC even but I voted my mail not in person. 

NC does not do a straight ticket, so you have to choose each Dem individually. There's also some local races where party affiliation is not shown.

[DrSpaceman73]

9 minutes ago, Is Everyone Gone said:

He presents as a classic sociopath with the complete lack of empathy.

I remember him meeting with a Nobel Prize winner who had lost her entire family due to war. All he did was sulk that the woman had a Nobel prize and he didn't.

He is a vile evil man who is will never respect and would never associate with.  

I've voted against many presidents that won and I at least always could see the good they brought to the position and the country. I respected them. 

I have nothing like that for Trump.  I have nothing good to say about him and he embarrasses me as an American. 

 

Edited November 8 by DrSpaceman73

[Yeah No]

7 minutes ago, Is Everyone Gone said:

He presents as a classic sociopath with the complete lack of empathy.

The interesting thing about people like Trump who may be narcissists is that they seem to know exactly what motivates people at their core, but that's not to be confused with empathy. Knowing what people feel and exploiting it for your own purposes is not empathy.

[Ohiopirate02]

2 minutes ago, Calvada said:

I'm wondering how many of the things Trump talked about will actually happen.  Tariffs for example.  Aren't there some Republicans in Congress who have the common sense to realize the negative economic impact that would have?  

If he needs congressional approval for those tariffs, I do not think that will pass. Congressional Republicans will vote to lower taxes for the rich and corporations, they will also vote to cut government funding everywhere but the military, but they are not going to vote for something like tariffs that will hurt the business community and send stocks crashing.

[bluegirl147]

4 minutes ago, Calvada said:

What's going to happen to these young people if they get rid of the ACA? 

It's not just young people. I am 56 yrs old and work for a small business. I buy my insurance through the ACA.  I work full time and there is no way I could afford to buy it on the open market. Until the pandemic when subsidies were increased it often was barely affordable.  I'm scared to death they are now going to either get rid of it or take away protections against preexisting conditions.

5 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

I have nothing good to say about him and he embarrasses me as an American

I thought there were more people who felt that way but after Tuesday's results I'm not so sure anymore.

4 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

Knowing what people feel and exploiting it for your own purposes is not empathy.

He is an opportunist who uses whatever he needs to get what he wants.  Most cult leaders are experts at finding people who are wiling to be led down a garden path with scary things at the end of that path.

[Yeah No]

2 hours ago, Is Everyone Gone said:

Well just yesterday at my school i saw a teacher tell a migrant student "I hope you get deported." 

He also told students "immigrants need to be gangbanged out of the country."

It's actually horrifying. This isn't a social media Russian bot. This is real life.

A friend of my husband's just called him and told him the story of a friend of his daughter's, an American born of Iranian descent who in his words "might not look like someone's idea of an American" who was heckled yesterday in their local Walmart by a woman who told her she was going to have to go back to "her country now". Truly horrifying and again, real life.

[heatherchandler]

3 hours ago, Palimelon said:

I mean, from the beginning, this guy was saying its cool to grab a woman by the Hello Kitty because she wants it or whatever? And this is who your moral barometer is ok with?

I think the republicans swept it under the rug as easily as the democrats swept Tara Reade under the rug (after they maligned her and called her a liar).  At least Trump was honest.  All of it is sickening but it’s not news to women, we are used to it all being swept under the rug.  Doug slapping his ex wife was swept under the rug too.  Harris never even addressed it.

 

[partofme]

10 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

But I never saw republicans say the same thing, like if someone votes for Harris, they may get called libtard or socialist but no one says, I’m cutting them out of my life.  

Republicans are not good people.  There’s a house by me in NJ that has a flag up since 2020 that says “I voted for Trump, F (spelt out) your feelings”. 

10 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

Also, as someone that watches all news, please stop spreading the project 2025 nonsense as fact.  Trump didn’t even know what it was.  It’s not legitimate.  The only people talking about it are democrats, as a scare tactic.

But it’s fact.  Trump lied about it during the campaign and he’s not smart enough to come up with it himself but it was written by Trump’s people and they intend on implementing it.  Bad things are going to happen come January.   Not just to the people they hate but everyone is going to suffer economically under Trump. 

[Yeah No]

7 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

It's not just young people. I am 56 yrs old and work for a small business. I buy my insurance through the ACA.  I work full time and there is no way I could afford to buy it on the open market. Until the pandemic when subsidies were increased it often was barely affordable.  I'm scared to death they are now going to either get rid of it or take away protections against preexisting conditions.

Yes it's not just young or middle aged people, it's also seniors. We are worried about our Medicare coverage and premiums, drug prices, stock market plummeting and destroying our IRAs, and of course the future of Social Security and we all know that many Republicans have had it in for that for a long time.

[annzeepark914]

12 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

His policies will be on our doorsteps on day one.

 

Where can I get a clearer copy of this? (Hey, peacheslatour...you've been missed!) I just mentioned the ending of no fault divorce the other day in a comments section somewhere & was told "that's just a rumor... do your research" 🙄.  I sent an email to Biden back in June saying they needed to do a printout like this & flood the country with it. No response. IMO, the DNC needs be overhauled, starting at the top.

[bluegirl147]

6 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

 At least Trump was honest.

He does not get points for being honest about touching women against their will.  

 

1 minute ago, annzeepark914 said:

Where can I get a clearer copy of this? (Hey, peacheslatour...you've been missed!) I just mentioned the ending of no fault divorce the other day in a comments section somewhere & was told "that's just a rumor... do your research" 🙄.  I sent an email to Biden back in June saying they needed to do a printout like this & flood the country with it. No response. IMO, the DNC needs be overhauled, starting at the top.

There are books breaking it down.  My local library had one.

So many people are used to hearing something called fake news the truth is often overlooked.

[heatherchandler]

1 hour ago, Yeah No said:

also don't think it would have looked good if they had passed over Kamala and doing that might have caused them more problems with public perception from BOTH sides of the aisle

I don’t think anyone would have been upset if she was not chosen.  She never clicked with people.  This happens all the time, someone can be bright and amazing but if they don’t click with voters, there is no winning.  
 

Trump is not smart, he’s not bright, but he clicks with a lot of people.  I don’t know why.  

I feel like Pete does click, people like him.  He’s really good at getting his thoughts across.  He doesn’t put people off.  

 

3 hours ago, Turquoise said:

Well, I had a former relative (in-law) declare in writing that anyone that disagrees with Trump should be rounded up and executed. He was encouraging his friends to stockpile ammunition so they would be ready. Not saying all supporters are like that, but you can't say it doesn't exist. 

That person is not mentally well.  I’m not talking about crazies.  I’m talking about your average family member.  
There is a man who works at a college, he was in the news yesterday for posting online that all Trump supporters should kill themselves.  So there are crazy angry people on both sides.  That’s not what I’m talking about.  
 

 

 

[Palimelon]

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Aren't there some Republicans in Congress who have the common sense to realize the negative economic impact that would have?  

Maybe, but the majority of them are probably worried they will face the Wrath of MAGA if they go against him.

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What will happen to my ability to retain my health insurance?  

Don't worry! Starting on January 21st, 2025, the money you save on eggs and gasoline should be more than enough to get you and everyone else the most comprehensive and best insurance policy available.

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I think the republicans swept it under the rug as easily as the democrats swept Tara Reade under the rug (after they maligned her and called her a liar).  At least Trump was honest.  All of it is sickening but it’s not news to women, we are used to it all being swept under the rug.  Doug slapping his ex wife was swept under the rug too.  Harris never even addressed it.

I'm not sure if "At least Trump was honest" is the flex you think it is...having things swept under the rug is one thing, being an unapologetic and unrepentant rapist and sexual assaulter is another.

Edited November 8 by Palimelon

[DrSpaceman73]

He also wants to end birthright citizenship by executive order eve though ITS IN THE CONSTITUON. 

You can't executive order the constitution away.  The fact he even wants to try that is scary

I guarantee he will try to run again in 2028 despite the constitutional amendment against it. 

[heatherchandler]

17 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

Where can I get a clearer copy of this? (Hey, peacheslatour...you've been missed!) I just mentioned the ending of no fault divorce the other day in a comments section somewhere & was told "that's just a rumor... do your research" 🙄.  I sent an email to Biden back in June saying they needed to do a printout like this & flood the country with it. No response. IMO, the DNC needs be overhauled, starting at the top.

Because Biden’s administration knows it’s not a thing to worry about and doesn’t want to scare people.  
 

Trump is not smart enough to think on his feet.  If he was behind this, or thought it was a good idea, he would just say so.  This is so far out there, it’s like calling democrats lizard people.  Yes there are people who think it’s true but they are fringe crazies.

[heatherchandler]

8 minutes ago, Palimelon said:

Maybe, but the majority of them are probably worried they will face the Wrath of MAGA if they go against him.

Don't worry! Starting on January 21st, 2025, the money you save on eggs and gasoline should be more than enough to get you and everyone else the most comprehensive and best insurance policy available.

I'm not sure if "At least Trump was honest" is the flex you think it is...having things swept under the rug is one thing, being an unapologetic and unrepentant rapist and sexual assaulter is another.

I’m not flexing I’m not a Trump supporter.  But umm no, do not agree- sweeping sexual assault or ANY assault under the rug is not “one thing” it’s abhorrent!  It is all abhorrent.

[Makai]

Impact of Trump tariffs is trending and there are a slew of articles. Sure let’s figure out if is plan is sound after he’s elected because of his economic plan. 

3 hours ago, SeanBug said:

I was rather surprised that Harris didn't use Buttigieg as a surrogate during the campaign. Not that he doesn't have a ft job as TransSec, but he's the guy you go to when you want to reach the Fox demographic. 

She did. I saw clips of him everywhere including on Fox News a few times. He did a Jubilee episode with undecided voters that was released days before the vote. 

[bluegirl147]

14 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

Trump is not smart enough to think on his feet.  If he was behind this, or thought it was a good idea, he would just say so.

Trump is smart enough to listen to his advisors saying you probably want to distance yourself from this.  It's not like he would be the first politician to lie about his intentions.  He knows what his base wants to hear. They want to hear Build the Wall and Drill Baby Drill. They don't want to hear he is going to radically change the government and they will be worse off in every way.

Edited November 8 by bluegirl147

[PRgal]

4 hours ago, SeanBug said:

Tressie did a little IG chat to sum up the election and announce she was taking a break for some r&r.  She expanded on the comments about identity politics. Dems have forgotten that white middle class is also an identity.  It's not that white middle class doesn't care about others, but when all they hear is women and minorities, it makes them "feel" like they're left out.  Even if they really aren't. 

I was rather surprised that Harris didn't use Buttigieg as a surrogate during the campaign. Not that he doesn't have a ft job as TransSec, but he's the guy you go to when you want to reach the Fox demographic. 

I really hope he considers a run for office again.  I would love to see him come in and run for Governor of Indiana, but I would also like him to take another stab at POTUS.  People know him now, they see he has federal gov't experience and he ticks a lot of boxes. IMO he's Obama 2.0.  

The thing is, Buttigieg HAS an "other" identity.  You'd have to have a STRAIGHT and PROTESTANT male to give the so-called "privileged" dudes a voice.  And I agree, EVERYONE deserves some kind of voice, not what outsiders (from WHATEVER community, TBH) THINK they need to hear.  

Check out Audie Cornish's interview with Chuck Rocha.   

@heatherchandler:  I think Trump "clicks" with people because he has that off-putting/very stereotypical working class attitude about him.  And he ALSO gives off the vibe of what the working class think rich people are like.  Have you been inside any of his buildings?  It's like gold, gold, gold EVERYWHERE.  Pretty tacky to me, but to many, it's a measure of success.  That's why in historical dramas, you always see "old money" complain about "new money."  Because the latter CAN give off a tacky vibe to the establishment.

Edited November 8 by PRgal

[Yeah No]

21 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

I don’t think anyone would have been upset if she was not chosen.  She never clicked with people.  This happens all the time, someone can be bright and amazing but if they don’t click with voters, there is no winning.  

Oh I'm sure that a lot of people would have been upset, especially in the Democratic African American community and elitist liberal whites with over-pronounced white guilt. And not to mention how the other side (the Republicans) would have run with it and I could just see Trump saying about her similar to what he said about Biden, "Poor little Ka-ma-la, her party left her out, the one person most in line for the job". He would have found a way to use that against the Dems. if they had not gone with her and especially if they went with a white man instead. It might not have been so easy to do this if there had been a convention and a nomination among choices, but the fact that the nominee pretty much bypassed that it would look worse.

Also there was the matter of financial backing and I think they thought if they passed over Kamala they would not have gotten enough financial backing from some key sources. It was probably more about the money than appearances although that factored in too.

[partofme]

47 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

At least Trump was honest

This may be the funniest thing I’ve ever heard. Trump has never said anything honest, at least intentionally in his life.  He lies every time he opens his mouth. 

23 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

He also wants to end birthright citizenship by executive order eve though ITS IN THE CONSTITUON. 

You can't executive order the constitution away.  The fact he even wants to try that is scary

I guarantee he will try to run again in 2028 despite the constitutional amendment against it. 

With the current Supreme Court he can do whatever he wants.   

[Palimelon]

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I’m not flexing I’m not a Trump supporter.  But umm no, do not agree- sweeping sexual assault or ANY assault under the rug is not “one thing” it’s abhorrent!  It is all abhorrent.

Umm I never said you were a Trump supporter. It's all abhorrent but bragging about it and encouraging that mindset and culture of impunity and entitlement when it comes to raping and sexually assaulting people is a few extra shades of gross.

[Ohiopirate02]

29 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

He also wants to end birthright citizenship by executive order eve though ITS IN THE CONSTITUON. 

You can't executive order the constitution away.  The fact he even wants to try that is scary

I guarantee he will try to run again in 2028 despite the constitutional amendment against it. 

 

6 minutes ago, partofme said:

 

With the current Supreme Court he can do whatever he wants.   

Since Trump and his cronies only want to end birthright citizenship for certain people, it's going to be a real bitch trying to get the wording right and that may make it easy for the SC and any SC that is full of Trump appointees to overturn. 

[nokat]

1 hour ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

I'm a neurologist.  He is obviously demented based on his debate performance and news reports. 

That people still question this after seeing so many obvious moments of this, just startles me.

[nokat]

1 hour ago, partofme said:

Republicans are not good people.  There’s a house by me in NJ that has a flag up since 2020 that says “I voted for Trump, F (spelt out) your feelings”. 

But it’s fact.  Trump lied about it during the campaign and he’s not smart enough to come up with it himself but it was written by Trump’s people and they intend on implementing it.  Bad things are going to happen come January.   Not just to the people they hate but everyone is going to suffer economically under Trump. 

Trump and Trumpers are not good people. 

[bluegirl147]

8 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

 

Since Trump and his cronies only want to end birthright citizenship for certain people, it's going to be a real bitch trying to get the wording right and that may make it easy for the SC and any SC that is full of Trump appointees to overturn. 

You know Trump and his minions so badly want to say the quiet part out loud.  They can't say we don't want black and brown people to have birthright citizenship but knowing this crowd they very well might.

21 minutes ago, partofme said:

With the current Supreme Court he can do whatever he wants.

I wonder if even they will have a limit on what they will let him do.