Chit-Chat: The Feels

[Yeah No]

1 hour ago, Mollywolly555 said:

Sounds like you're blaming "society" and women for the problems you see men having these days; specific details on these 'problems' wd help me understand better, though.

And you want women to step up and help men????

In regards to expecting/waiting for "society" do it?  Women have petitioned, marched, persevered, and died for the purpose of enacting change for females and children cuz no one else was going to do it. They are still doing so. 

I have a son. He is white and educated, and has a fiercely feminist mother and an  intelligent, kind father. He's going to be just fine. 

The rest of the world's women, children, and people of color (males included), I'm not so sure about, so I support them, too. 

I am not blaming society and women for men's problems but I think the author of that post was blaming society for not caring about women's problems and not caring about men's unless "society" starts to care more about women. 

You have a problem with stepping up and helping men and yet in your own way you have done just that in your own sphere of influence by raising your son right.  This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. You have helped men and women that way. 

There are a lot of women that say they believe in equality but don't raise their sons to respect women by not modeling the behavior that would encourage them to treat women as equals. Like continuing to cater to them into young adulthood, do their laundry, be their maid service and let them live at home without much responsibility to household duties long after they should have moved out and become independent. This teaches them that women are there to serve them and that they can do whatever they want and not have to grow up and take care of themselves. So they perpetuate the problem by looking for another "mommy" and treat her as badly as they were allowed to treat their own mother.

These women talk the talk but don't walk the walk so to speak. And they are their own worst enemies and ours too. I have seen this over and over again in my life and it makes me angry. They perpetuate the problem for another generation. So it's not just men that oppress women. Granted, men bear the most responsibility but again, I'm not going to turn a deaf ear to this phenomenon.

[ebk57]

1 hour ago, Cementhead said:

Source: An op-ed from The New York Times that I cannot link due to paywall.

Here's a gift link.

[ProudMary]

3 hours ago, Yeah No said:

When I was young we had sayings that went, "Be the change you want to see in the world". We didn't just sit back and post with all our complaints on SM about society as if we're not going to care about something or someone until someone else corrects what's being done wrong to US. I'm just saying, I see a lot of this today from people. This is not how we used to think.

Yeah, I remember that adage. It's a lovely sentiment, but one that few live by. The one that rings much louder in my memory is, "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem." This is where a much too large a percentage of men fall. I do think that younger Millennial and Gen Z men are more supportive of women's rights than Gen X and Boomer men ever were or are.

I think a more pertinent historical quote, most recently attributed to Ruth Bader Ginsburg, but originally from a public letter written by activist Quaker minister Sarah Grimké in 1837, would be: “I ask no favors for my sex. I surrender not our claim to equality. All I ask of our brethren is that they will take their feet from off our necks and permit us to stand upright.”

I do agree that far too many people do nothing more than complain on social media. That needs to change.

Everyone should be doing something. Small things matter. Make phone calls to your reps, not just at the top level. Much of what's important is local. Find out who your State Representative or Assembly person is. They probably live within a few miles of you and are more accessible. Speak up at a school board meeting. Volunteer for something in your community. For right now, donate to causes, not candidates. Find out what's happening near you and get involved.

https://www.mobilize.us/

It's easy to think that small things make no difference, but that has never been the case. One last historical quote from the esteemed cultural anthropologist Margaret Mead: "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."

Edited 21 hours ago by ProudMary
I fixed the link that wasn't working.

[bluegirl147]

SCOTUS ruled Trump can't deport the Venezuelans under that questionable 1800s law.  7-2.  Guess who the two dissenting opinions were.

Edited 21 hours ago by bluegirl147

[Dimity]

18 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

SCOTUS ruled Trump can't deport the Venezuelans under that questionable 1800s law.  7-2.  Guess who the two dissenting opinions were.

He hasn't listened to them so far.  Any bets on what happens next?

[peacheslatour]

22 minutes ago, ProudMary said:

Yeah, I remember that adage. It's a lovely sentiment, but one that few live by. The one that rings much louder in my memory is, "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem." This is where a much too large a percentage of men fall. I do think that younger Millennial and Gen Z men are more supportive of women's rights than Gen X and Boomer men ever were or are.

I think a more pertinent historical quote, most recently attributed to Ruth Bader Ginsburg, but originally from a public letter written by activist Quaker minister Sarah Grimké in 1837, would be: “I ask no favors for my sex. I surrender not our claim to equality. All I ask of our brethren is that they will take their feet from off our necks and permit us to stand upright.”

I do agree that far too many people do nothing more than complain on social media. That needs to change.

Everyone should be doing something. Small things matter. Make phone calls to your reps, not just at the top level. Much of what's important is local. Find out who your State Representative or Assembly person is. They probably live within a few miles of you and are more accessible. Speak up at a school board meeting. Volunteer for something in your community. For right now, donate to causes, not candidates. Find out what's happening near you and get involved.

https://www.mobilize.us/

It's easy to think that small things make no difference, but that has never been the case. One last historical quote from the esteemed cultural anthropologist Margaret Mead: "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."

Here is a good example of that. People spoke up for this fired teacher and he got his job back. https://www.goodgoodgood.co/articles/trans-teacher-fired-lausd

After three years of teaching at South East High School in Los Angeles, Henry Zahid, an openly transgender teacher who uses they/he pronouns, suddenly had to fight to keep their job.

Zahid, who supported students as an adviser for the school’s Gay Straight Alliance, came out as trans in their second year of teaching.

“I knew that if I could be my authentic self, it would help my students to see trans adults are out there,” Zahid told LA Public Press.

Despite resounding support from students and colleagues, he received a notice in February of this year that he was fired from his teaching position. 

Although he has yet to receive an explanation for how this decision was made, Zahid’s future employment as a teacher has been secured.

“This literally would not have been possible without the community,” Zahid told LA Public Media. “I do really wanna thank every single person who has shown their support for me, who has come out to the board meetings, who has spoken up.” 

In a video for UTLA, he added: “The truth is, this fight cannot be one alone. It shouldn't have to be. Each and every single one of us needs to speak up when we see people and systems discriminate against our fellow educators.”

 

[lookeyloo]

7 minutes ago, Dimity said:

He hasn't listened to them so far.  Any bets on what happens next?

I will bet that they continue and then say well, it is out of our control and then the supremes look flustered and on it goes.

[Bastet]

4 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

This story originated with The Daily Mail,

The Daily Mail, The Daily Beast, and now The Wall Street Journal has it.  It's something pitched to Homeland Security by a producer (as it was during Obama's and Biden's terms):

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The Department of Homeland Security is considering being part of a television show in which immigrants would compete for potential U.S. citizenship, an idea the producer pitched as far back as the Obama administration.

Department spokeswoman Tricia McLaughlin said she had spoken to the producer of the proposed television reality show and that consideration of the idea was ongoing.

It is “in the very beginning stages of that vetting process,” she said, adding, “Each proposal undergoes a thorough vetting process prior to denial or approval.”

The pitch for the proposed citizenship-competition show comes from Rob Worsoff, a producer and writer whose credits include the “Duck Dynasty” reality show. Worsoff, who emigrated from Canada, told The Wall Street Journal that the show is meant to be hopeful and a celebration of what it means to be an American citizen.

“This isn’t ‘The Hunger Games’ for immigrants,” Worsoff said. Immigrants already in the system would compete in various contests including potentially on American history and science. Worsoff stressed that losing contestants wouldn’t face deportation. “This is not, ‘Hey, if you lose, we are shipping you out on a boat out of the country,’” he said.

It was a gross concept during the Obama and Biden administrations, but doing something like this when immigrants are under relentless, unconstitutional attack?  I guess the good news is Noem will probably pass because the losers don't get deported (and she doesn't get to take them to a gravel pit and shoot them, either).

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[Bastet]

Go, girl!  A HS freshman near Portland, Maine, who is a cisgender girl, wrote a letter to the editor after her state representative used the results of a recent track race to bash the winner, who is a transgender girl, and transgender girls in sports generally.  The newspaper requires a subscription, but here's a screenshot:

[peacheslatour]

You have to speak up and I'm glad to see this-

“The American Federation of Musicians of the United States and Canada will not remain silent as two of our members—Bruce Springsteen and Taylor Swift—are singled out and personally attacked by the President of the United States. Bruce Springsteen and Taylor Swift are not just brilliant musicians, they are role models and inspirations to millions of people in the United States and across the world. Whether it’s Born in the USA or the Eras Tour, their music is timeless, impactful, and has deep cultural meaning. Musicians have the right to freedom of expression, and we stand in solidarity with all our members.”

[bluegirl147]

8 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

You have to speak up and I'm glad to see this-

“The American Federation of Musicians of the United States and Canada will not remain silent as two of our members—Bruce Springsteen and Taylor Swift—are singled out and personally attacked by the President of the United States. Bruce Springsteen and Taylor Swift are not just brilliant musicians, they are role models and inspirations to millions of people in the United States and across the world. Whether it’s Born in the USA or the Eras Tour, their music is timeless, impactful, and has deep cultural meaning. Musicians have the right to freedom of expression, and we stand in solidarity with all our members.”

Speaking of musicians Kid Rock had to close his Nashville restaurant because ICE was in the area.  Isn't that what he voted for?

[peacheslatour]

3 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Speaking of musicians Kid Rock had to close his Nashville restaurant because ICE was in the area.  Isn't that what he voted for?

From The Guardian 5/16/2025

“Around 9.30pm on Saturday, our manager came back and told anyone without legal status to go home,” one anonymous employee told the outlet.

“Events at the Ryman, Ascend, the Savannah Bananas’ baseball game all let out, and it was crazy busy. But there was no one in the kitchen to cook the food.”

[Ohiopirate02]

35 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

From The Guardian 5/16/2025

“Around 9.30pm on Saturday, our manager came back and told anyone without legal status to go home,” one anonymous employee told the outlet.

“Events at the Ryman, Ascend, the Savannah Bananas’ baseball game all let out, and it was crazy busy. But there was no one in the kitchen to cook the food.”

It honestly kills me that the American government always goes after the undocumented individuals and not the people who employ them. Kid Rock is more than willing to pay these people under the table to avoid paying the various taxes and pay lower wages. 

[Dimity]

1 minute ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

It honestly kills me that the American government always goes after the undocumented individuals and not the people who employ them. Kid Rock is more than willing to pay these people under the table to avoid paying the various taxes and pay lower wages. 

In the movie (which I love) The Birdcage, there is a moment when the Robin Williams character is annoyed with some of his staff and says "I have two words for you, green card".  Of course it's played for laughs but the point is of course he is knowingly employing undocumented workers.  Same thing in an episode of Frasier when he buys a restaurant and the restaurant workers find out the head of the Immigration Bureau is a guest and they all run out the back door. 

If Trump was serious about cracking down on undocumented workers he'd crack down on those who employ them.

Never gonna happen.

[Browncoat]

27 minutes ago, Dimity said:

f Trump was serious about cracking down on undocumented workers he'd crack down on those who employ them.

Never gonna happen.

Because undocumented workers are employed by Trump at his hotels.

[PRgal]

4 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I am not blaming society and women for men's problems but I think the author of that post was blaming society for not caring about women's problems and not caring about men's unless "society" starts to care more about women. 

You have a problem with stepping up and helping men and yet in your own way you have done just that in your own sphere of influence by raising your son right.  This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. You have helped men and women that way. 

There are a lot of women that say they believe in equality but don't raise their sons to respect women by not modeling the behavior that would encourage them to treat women as equals. Like continuing to cater to them into young adulthood, do their laundry, be their maid service and let them live at home without much responsibility to household duties long after they should have moved out and become independent. This teaches them that women are there to serve them and that they can do whatever they want and not have to grow up and take care of themselves. So they perpetuate the problem by looking for another "mommy" and treat her as badly as they were allowed to treat their own mother.

These women talk the talk but don't walk the walk so to speak. And they are their own worst enemies and ours too. I have seen this over and over again in my life and it makes me angry. They perpetuate the problem for another generation. So it's not just men that oppress women. Granted, men bear the most responsibility but again, I'm not going to turn a deaf ear to this phenomenon.

Some cultures (most Asian cultures, Italian, etc) expect children to live at home until they marry.  However, kids married young.  Because the parents STILL believe that unmarried children need to live at home, you have tons of failures to launch.  Add that to unaffordable housing in many, many parts of the world.  To make matters worse, these grown children don't even bring up wanting to move out, even if they CAN because they're worried they'd offend their parents.  And these kids don't bother looking for work in other cities either.  

 

Note:  I wasn't ALLOWED to do most chores growing up.  As in my grandmother told me to my face that it wasn't my job.  I learned how to do laundry two weeks before I moved onto campus (that was after my parents bought my grandparents a condo and had them move in there.  Grandparents were not amused but understood that my parents were downsizing after I left for school).  To this day, I don't bother sorting.  Luckily, I don't own a lot of whites other than my tennis clothes (which I do separately).  

Edited 17 hours ago by PRgal

[tearknee]

9 hours ago, BetyBee said:

Ha ha! When I read this post, I thought I was accidentally in an old Mad Men thread!

Mad Men/Suits crossover (They're in the mind of Tommy Westphall, anyway...)?

Meghan Markle uses that minor victory over an advertisement when she was 11 to make herself look like some sort of super feminist. And her skin color to avoid people noticing she that she throws other POC under the bus when it suits.

And she is married a guy who went to a costume party as a Nazi SS officer.

 

[Anela]

 

Pregnant US woman declared brain dead is being kept alive under state abortion law

Doctors are keeping Adriana Smith on life support months after medical emergency until baby is ready, family says

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/15/pregnant-georgia-woman-brain-dead-abortion-law

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A pregnant woman in Georgia was declared brain dead after a medical emergency and doctors have kept her on life support for three months so far to allow enough time for the baby to be born and comply with Georgia’s strict anti-abortion law, family members say.

She could be kept in that state for months more.

The case is the latest consequence of abortion bans introduced in some states since the US supreme court in 2022 overturned national abortion rights afforded by the historic Roe v Wade ruling.

Adriana Smith, a 30-year-old mother and nurse, was declared brain dead – meaning she is legally dead – in February, her mother, April Newkirk, told Atlanta TV station WXIA.

Newkirk said her daughter had intense headaches more than three months ago and went to Atlanta’s Northside hospital, where she received medication and was released. The next morning, her boyfriend woke to her gasping for air and called 911. Emory University hospital determined she had blood clots in her brain and she was declared brain dead.

Newkirk said Smith was now 21 weeks pregnant. Removing breathing tubes and other life-saving devices would probably kill the fetus.

Northside did not respond to a request for comment on Thursday. Emory Healthcare said it could not comment on an individual case because of privacy rules, but released a statement saying it “uses consensus from clinical experts, medical literature, and legal guidance to support our providers as they make individualized treatment recommendations in compliance with Georgia’s abortion laws and all other applicable laws. Our top priorities continue to be the safety and wellbeing of the patients we serve.”

 

Smith’s family says Emory doctors have told them they are not allowed to stop or remove the devices that are keeping her breathing because state law bans abortion after cardiac activity can be detected in the fetus – generally around six weeks into pregnancy.

The law was adopted in 2019 but not enforced until after Roe v Wade was overturned in the 2022 Dobbs v Jackson Women’s Health Organization ruling, opening the door to state abortion bans. Twelve states are enforcing bans on abortion at all stages of pregnancy and three others have bans such as Georgia’s that kick in after about six weeks.

Like the others, Georgia’s ban includes an exception if an abortion is necessary to maintain the woman’s life.

Smith’s family, including her five-year-old son, still visit her in the hospital.

Newkirk told WXIA that doctors told the family that the fetus has fluid on the brain and that they are concerned about his health.

“She’s pregnant with my grandson. But he may be blind, may not be able to walk, may not survive once he’s born,” Newkirk said. She has not said whether the family wants Smith removed from life support.

Monica Simpson, the executive director of SisterSong, the lead plaintiff in a lawsuit challenging Georgia’s abortion law, said the situation was problematic.

“Her family deserved the right to have decision-making power about her medical decisions,” Simpson said in a statement. “Instead, they have endured over 90 days of retraumatization, expensive medical costs, and the cruelty of being unable to resolve and move toward healing.”

 

 

 

[Affogato]

https://apple.news/A74OfwKpBRW67o-F0GUAbpA
 

DAILY CARTOON

DAILY CARTOON: FRIDAY, MAY 16TH
 

————-your moment of levity. 

Edited 15 hours ago by Affogato

[Soapy Goddess]

17 hours ago, Affogato said:

Mary Trump is clearly employable without the association to Donald. What you did there? That is cheap  mud slinging. 

Mud slinging or truth??  She's not the first relative to go on every talk show spewing dirt about her relative, and she won't be the last. She might be employable, but that doesn't preclude her from doing exactly as all the other "mud slingers" do, with Samantha being #1.

16 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

And qualified to speak about his mental acuity or lack thereof. She has a PHD in clinical psychology.  And she grew up seeing him. So she has a frame of reference of  how he was and how he is now.

Maybe so, but that never stopped a relative from embellishing. Especially when they're trying to sell a book...and make a few bucks off said relative.

[Soapy Goddess]

16 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

And I don't see any mainstream media covering Trump's mental decline.

That's because there's nothing to cover up. Your "evidence" is because he talks too much?  I don't see that in my DSM codes.

17 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

As I mentioned above Mary Trump is qualified to talk about Donald Trump. 

Doesn't mean everything she says is gospel.

[Soapy Goddess]

15 hours ago, Dimity said:

he's demented or has dementia - probably both.

But sure let's talk about Meghan Markle or perhaps Kim Kardashian or Amber Heard or Pamela Anderson?  Any woman the public has strong opinions on.  I know as a society we love to blame women and exculpate men but isn't this reaching a bit?

It really upsets me when you guys talk about dementia. You have no idea how debilitating this is to a family. I watched my mother's decline for years before she succumbed to it. It's NOT a joking matter!

As for your paragraph about strong women, if you actually read my original post, I was using Samantha Markle (not ANY women, or MM) as an example of a celebrity relative who's only purpose is/was to discredit their relative. But as usual, you insist on twisting my words to suit your narrative. Bravo.

[Soapy Goddess]

13 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I'm behind again on this thread, and haven't read beyond this post, but I saw this and had to respond. I'm going to be honest myself here - no offense to anyone intended. Until we stop acting like "Until you care about me I don't GAF about you" we're going to be forever divided and at each others' throats. While it's OK to stand against oppression of any kind we should be preaching Equality and Justice for All, and figuring out how to make that a reality, not stuff like this. We should care about men's issues as much as women's otherwise we're never going to see any progress for either. We should be focusing on us as a whole and the general beliefs we hold as Americans, not getting stuck in our victimization and differences. I am a woman and while I understand and sympathize with some of the emotions here I don't think this is constructive.

Excellent post! Unfortunately, it will fall on deaf ears. I'm starting to believe that some folks actually enjoy being angry. It gives them a purpose. They live for the "fight" and the build up of adrenalin. They'll never preach Equality & Justice for All because that goes against everything they stand for. Whatever that might be.

[Anela]

I’ve been without power for four hours now. Wasn’t expecting this. We had wind suddenly hit really hard, along with heavy rain.  People about five minutes from me, think they might have had a tornado hit. We are okay. I want to go to sleep, but the wind and rain is picking up again. I’m on my phone, but the charge is now down to 46%, so I need to save the battery. This is why I’m posting here, though, if the site doesn’t refresh on me. It’s from a local group. 

The system was too unstable to give them accurate reports ahead of time. We were talking about this, as tornado season started.  

And we do have more storms hitting, so no sleep for me. 

[Soapy Goddess]

[BetyBee]

18 hours ago, Anela said:

Yesterday, I saw tom homan admitting that most undocumented immigrants aren’t committing crimes. Yet he’s kidnapping and trafficking them, anyway.

Then I saw that Kristi noem wants migrants to earn citizenship through a fucking reality show.  

When I read about this, I cried. What are these awful people doing to my country?!

[Mollywolly555]

I could find old posts where you have stated/joked about everything you decry others are saying in your most recent posts. 

But I'm too tired of your projection at this point.

That heaviness you feel? Check the stones in your own pocket before hurling them at others. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Mollywolly555

[Affogato]

6 hours ago, Anela said:

I’ve been without power for four hours now. Wasn’t expecting this. We had wind suddenly hit really hard, along with heavy rain.  People about five minutes from me, think they might have had a tornado hit. We are okay. I want to go to sleep, but the wind and rain is picking up again. I’m on my phone, but the charge is now down to 46%, so I need to save the battery. This is why I’m posting here, though, if the site doesn’t refresh on me. It’s from a local group. 

The system was too unstable to give them accurate reports ahead of time. We were talking about this, as tornado season started.  

And we do have more storms hitting, so no sleep for me. 

I sometimes find myself complaining about the weather, then I remind myself how lucky I’ve been. So far. The forecasts change every few hours. 

[Affogato]

8 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

It really upsets me when you guys talk about dementia. You have no idea how debilitating this is to a family. I watched my mother's decline for years before she succumbed to it. It's NOT a joking matter!

As for your paragraph about strong women, if you actually read my original post, I was using Samantha Markle (not ANY women, or MM) as an example of a celebrity relative who's only purpose is/was to discredit their relative. But as usual, you insist on twisting my words to suit your narrative. Bravo.

Yeah, a lot of people have experience with dementia and its consequences. Sorry you had that experience, but it is hardly unique. Also you seem to jump on the ‘biden was demented’ bandwagon easily enough.  Please note that, if everything that has been said about Biden was true, he had people who were loyal to him and the country prospered. 

A lot of people have commented on 47’s decline, it is not just one voice in the wilderness.  If you do have experience directly, you can probably see the signs in him.

I cross the street to avoid news about the Markles, and about a lot of that sort of gossip. I simply don’t care much what they say on the View, or whatever, basically, about most people. So can’t comment, except to say that it isn’t what we are talking about here,

Mary Trump has a lot of experience with a toxic family. She has taken a lot of financial hits confronting her toxic family member. A lot of this, including the grace that 47 deals with a disabled relative, is a matter of public record.  She almost certainly would be better off if she was not in the unenviable position of feeling that she has a responsibility to inform us of what is happening. ‘Cassandra’ is not an enviable job, nor is it a job that makes you rich or happy. 

7 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

No, it was a successful trip for the UAE, who gained many advantages. And for Musk, probably, who I assume is behind the AI location and will make Starlink the primary service in Africa. 

[Affogato]

8 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

That's because there's nothing to cover up. Your "evidence" is because he talks too much?  I don't see that in my DSM codes.

Doesn't mean everything she says is gospel.

There is mainstream media covering his decline, it is just not being paid much attention to by people. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2025/05/04/trump-interview-abc-time-mental-decline/83391080007/

Is Trump in mental decline? He sounds far worse than Biden ever did. |

https://news.meaww.com/doctor-claims-trumps-worsening-articulation-indicates-he-has-dementia-amid-deteriorating-health-rumors

Doctor claims Trump’s worsening articulation indicates he has dementia amid ‘deteriorating’ health rumors

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-speeches-may-show-signs-of-dementia-and-cognitive-decline-top-experts-say/

Trump’s Speeches May Show Signs of ‘Dementia’ and Cognitive Decline, Top Experts Say

two of these are very recent, one is from late last summer. People were talking about this all through the campaign. Qualified, medical people. 

Now, Trump is a nasty, nasty human being who is doing a lot of damage, posibly fatal damage, to this country, and this is entirely aside from actual political concerns. This is absolutely obvious, no one in the future will ever doubt it. We have in a few short months gone from the leader of the free world to a country that is wetting itwself on a subway bench, but still has a few valuable possessions to steal. I really hope we can recover. 

Is trump sufferring from dementia, or his he merely not at all interested in pretending and has given himself totally to his narcissistic.sociopathic self? I suppose I personally don’t know the answer. But a lot of people in this country are going to suffer the consequences of the fact that he was elected, some already are sufferring. 

It is possible that, if we live through this with some possibility of recovery, that we need to put age limits on our presidents, and possibly do other things to protect ourselves. Meanwhile, yes, we did ok under Biden, if only because he had a team able to gather around him and support him to do good for the country. Trump has surrounded himself with sharks (and my apologies to the sharks(.

[Dimity]

1 minute ago, Affogato said:

This is absolutely obvious, no one in the future will ever doubt it.

While it is no comfort now I am very confident that future historians will not be kind to Trump and his enablers. 

[Affogato]

I find I’m starting to get really angry. Can this possibly be what people want?

[Dimity]

Just now, Affogato said:

I find I’m starting to get really angry. Can this possibly be what people want?

Trump thrives on chaos.  It's how he has always operated.  What is happening in the US right now is straight up what he wants.  People on the defensive, angry and anxious. 

It backfired when he pulled that crap in Canada and in Australia - BTW thanks again Trump for helping us keep the Cons out of office.

And this anger is definitely what his supporters want too.  They may claim they want us all to 'just get along' but that's not what they want at all.  Pretty sure Jews and others targeted in Germany during the '30s were also being told to calm down and not rock the boat.

[BetyBee]

3 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Trump thrives on chaos.  It's how he has always operated.  What is happening in the US right now is straight up what he wants.  People on the defensive, angry and anxious. 

It backfired when he pulled that crap in Canada and in Australia - BTW thanks again Trump for helping us keep the Cons out of office.

I hope that other nations continue to learn what not to do, what not to fall for. Maybe our time as a world leader is over, except as a sad example. I'm not giving up at all, but I don't think we can repair all the damage that has been done, in my lifetime. I hope for better for my kids and grandkids. 

Edited 2 hours ago by BetyBee
added comma to clarify meaning

[peacheslatour]

Saturday funnies.

[annzeepark914]

Trump Grift-o Currency is so right. He's thumbing his nose at Congress big time. And the GOP senators & reps sit there & take it like the losers they are.