Chit-Chat: The Feels

[Anela]

44 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

Yeah but voters on the left knew that not voting for her meant Trump and that very real possibility alone would motivate them to vote for her. I don't know if that actually worked but I can see how it might have.

I personally think Kamala's recent attempts to move to the left were seen as fake by those independents that tended toward the middle and right and they didn't believe her. They thought she was doing that for show just to get their votes and that once in office she would revert back to her "old" ways. My husband was one of them and that's probably THE main reason he didn't vote for her. He was actually wishing he felt better about her on this point because he REALLY wanted to vote for a woman. In fact after she lost he told me he wished she had won. I think if we lived in a battleground state he might have actually voted for her. Living in a very blue state he knew that even if he didn't vote for her she would win here.

I think she was further left in 2019. 

36 minutes ago, tearknee said:

No, towards the left lies defeat. The last truly progressive U.S. President was L.B. Johnson, dead for 52 years in nearly two weeks from now.

 

 

I disagree.  If winning means perpetually moving to the right, there will be no more democrats.  

23 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

I like Kamala but honestly I don't know if she is left, center or somewhere in between.  I think her being a woman of color influences how she presents herself lest she be thought of as an angry black woman but then I think of Jasmine Crockett and there is no secret about what she is.

I love Jasmine Crockett. They also tried to make Tim Walz more likable to the people he’d been calling “weird” just weeks before the debate, and it didn’t work.  They just took the fight out of him.  

Babies over bachelor’s degrees: DeSantis appointee says women should choose motherhood over higher ed
 

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2025/01/09/babies-over-bachelors-degrees-desantis-appointee-says-women-should-choose-motherhood-over-higher-ed/

Edited January 11 by Anela

[Yeah No]

12 minutes ago, Anela said:

I think she was further left in 2019. 

Yeah, I realized afterward that I misspoke. I meant her recent move to the RIGHT during this campaign.

[Dimity]

 

Anyone who did not want Trump to be president but did not vote for Kamala shares the blame for what is coming.  It should not have mattered that she wasn't left enough or right enough or white enough or womanly enough or angry enough or blah blah blah all that should have mattered was she stood for democracy and tried to prevent the US from moving towards fascism.

[peacheslatour]

4 minutes ago, Dimity said:

 

Anyone who did not want Trump to be president but did not vote for Kamala shares the blame for what is coming.  It should not have mattered that she wasn't left enough or right enough or white enough or womanly enough or angry enough or blah blah blah all that should have mattered was she stood for democracy and tried to prevent the US from moving towards fascism.

THIS. I'm so sick of my liberal friends letting perfect be the enemy of good. Kamala wasn't the perfect progressive? Fine but she would have been miles better than Trump and not voting at all might as well be another vote FOR fascism.

[Dimity]

2 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

THIS. I'm so sick of my liberal friends letting perfect be the enemy of good. Kamala wasn't the perfect progressive? Fine but she would have been miles better than Trump and not voting at all might as well be another vote FOR fascism.

I remember when Trump won the first time and people like Susan Sarandon who had refused to support Hilary Clinton were quoted as saying they were glad because him being president would hasten the revolution - or some such nonsense. 

I want to ask these people "So, happy now?  Did you get what you wanted?"  But it's useless, they will always be searching for a unicorn while Trump and his cronies sell out the US to line their own pockets and they will never accept that it was at least partially their fault.

[annzeepark914]

2 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

THIS. I'm so sick of my liberal friends letting perfect be the enemy of good. Kamala wasn't the perfect progressive? Fine but she would have been miles better than Trump and not voting at all might as well be another vote FOR fascism.

And she wouldn't be taking out any personal resentments on states that desperately need help. California has 8-1/2 more days of compassion & help from the feds. I saw Trudeau on CNN a couple nights ago. He mentioned that Canada was helping CA with equipment, sharing what they've learned from recent huge fires, etc. That's a good neighbor, for ya!

[Dimity]

1 minute ago, annzeepark914 said:

I saw Trudeau on CNN a couple nights ago. He mentioned that Canada was helping CA with equipment, sharing what they've learned from recent huge fires, etc. That's a good neighbor, for ya!

Yes we've sent water bombers etc to help, BTW saw an article today about Mexican firefighters also heading to California to help.  It's what good neighbours do.  Under Trump would the US reciprocate?  Not without strings attached.

[Spartan Girl]

I don’t want to hear another word about what Biden and Harris should have done. NOT. ONE.

And that’s all I have to say about that.

[annzeepark914]

7 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

I don’t want to hear another word about what Biden and Harris should have done. NOT. ONE.

And that’s all I have to say about that.

Hoooo-kayyy. Well, in a few days we'll have a whole slew of characters to focus on, unfortunately. That, plus MrP914 just informed me that the wind has shifted direction in Los Angeles, in a more easterly direction. 

[Is Everyone Gone]

21 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

The judge had said there would be no jail time when he set the date. So yeah it's a possibility, more like probability.  And the fact that Alito, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and Thomas all voted in favor of Trump is them saying don't worry buddy we will always have your back.   Roberts voting no is his way of saying I least am trying to not look corrupt.  ACB I can't get a read on.  Her main issue was abortion.  I don't think she is MAGA but we shall see going forward if she will fall in line with the conservatives on the court.

ACB other than abortion has been more moderate than the rest of the Trump-court. She also doesn't hang out with the rest of them in the conservative speaking circuit. This doesn't mean she's not right wing (she is), but she's not as extreme as Thomas/Alito/Gorusch.

Edited January 11 by Is Everyone Gone

[Anela]

1 hour ago, Dimity said:

 

Anyone who did not want Trump to be president but did not vote for Kamala shares the blame for what is coming.  It should not have mattered that she wasn't left enough or right enough or white enough or womanly enough or angry enough or blah blah blah all that should have mattered was she stood for democracy and tried to prevent the US from moving towards fascism.

Agreed. But I was thinking of the future. If we have one.  I don’t want my representatives to keep moving to the right.  

Edited January 11 by Anela

[peacheslatour]

Biden has authorized billions in emergency aid to California. We have eight days until Trump rescinds it. "Why would I help a state that didn't vote for ME?"

L'etat c'est moi. I wonder how that turned out? Not so badly for the guy who said it, too bad the rest of the country didn't fare so well.

[Anela]

31 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Biden has authorized billions in emergency aid to California. We have eight days until Trump rescinds it. "Why would I help a state that didn't vote for ME?"

L'etat c'est moi. I wonder how that turned out? Not so badly for the guy who said it, too bad the rest of the country didn't fare so well.

And no Trump supporter has told me how this is going to make America great.  I’ve asked in a couple of places.  

45 minutes ago, Anela said:

Agreed. But I was thinking of the future. If we have one.  I don’t want my representatives to keep moving to the right.  

I’m also going to add that I have repeatedly said that she should have won, that I didn’t want to hear anything about what she did wrong, because she was going against *him*. So I’m not going to take any crap for pointing out that she was more openly progressive in the past.  I was responding to someone.  

[ProudMary]

11 hours ago, tearknee said:

To be clear, I don't think Harris lost because she's a Black woman, at least not primarily. She lost mainly because she was Biden's Vice-President, and was unable to distance herself from Biden's negatives, particularly on the cost-of-living issue.

I agree, but I differ a bit on the main issue. It was Gaza. I watched many of Kamala's rallies and at almost each of them, there were outspoken protesters in the audience wanting answers about what she was going to do about Gaza. She was always respectful toward them--as opposed to DJT, who has protesters tossed immediately--but, could only say that she and President Biden were working diligently on a solution. Her body language said something completely different. I truly believe that she and the president were in opposition on this issue, but as the sitting VP, she could not speak freely about what was happening behind the scenes that she disagreed with and had different plans for.

For other issues, including cost-of-living, Harris/Walz had tons of plans outlined on the campaign website. (Their "Plan For Rural America," which I'm certain was influenced by Tim Walz in a major way, was remarkable.) It really pissed me off when people said that they had no idea what her plans were. That was a bunch of BS from people who had already decided to vote for DJT, but didn't want to admit it to a pollster, reporter or door-knocker.

IMO, voters for whom Gaza was the main issue led the pack of voters who made the awful decision not to vote at all. How could they not understand that they were giving that precious vote to Trump, who will back Netanyahu in every murderous thing he wants to do?

[Dimity]

3 minutes ago, Anela said:

And no Trump supporter has told me how this is going to make America great.  I’ve asked in a couple of places.

All I hear is how he's going to "fix" the economy.  No one addresses the crazed things he's been saying.  Or if they do it's never that they support him, it's "it's just talk".   Because that's just so much better.  A blowhard who bullies, blusters and lies.  Bring it on.  Sigh.

[Anela]

2 minutes ago, Dimity said:

All I hear is how he's going to "fix" the economy.  No one addresses the crazed things he's been saying.  Or if they do it's never that they support him, it's "it's just talk".   Because that's just so much better.  A blowhard who bullies, blusters and lies.  Bring it on.  Sigh.

I will never understand it.  

[Dimity]

3 minutes ago, ProudMary said:

IMO, voters for whom Gaza was the main issue led the pack of voters who made the awful decision not to vote at all. How could they not understand that they were giving that precious vote to Trump, who will back Netanyahu in every murderous thing he wants to do?

This.  They punished Kamala because they wanted her to come out and outright condemn Israel by helping elect a man who will not only support Netanyahu but will support fellow Americans marginalizing and terrorizing those within the US who support Palestine.

[peacheslatour]

2 minutes ago, Dimity said:

This.  They punished Kamala because they wanted her to come out and outright condemn Israel by helping elect a man who will not only support Netanyahu but will support fellow Americans marginalizing and terrorizing those within the US who support Palestine.

See this is what I don't get. We all lived through the first Trump regime. People know who and what he is now and they still believe the crap that he spews. It's like they all have collective amnesia.

[bluegirl147]

2 minutes ago, Dimity said:

All I hear is how he's going to "fix" the economy.  No one addresses the crazed things he's been saying.  Or if they do it's never that they support him, it's "it's just talk".   Because that's just so much better.  A blowhard who bullies, blusters and lies.  Bring it on.  Sigh.

Fix the economy.  And how do they think he is going to do that?  Is there some magic wand he can wave?  And if there is why wouldn't Biden have already waved it?  Not all but for a big portion of Trump voters they use the economy as an excuse for their vote.   It's there way of making themselves feel better that they are supporting a man who is a racist, convicted of sexual misconduct, convicted of fraud and even after serving one term already is still woefully unqualified for the presidency.  But sure he is going to make eggs cheaper.

12 minutes ago, Anela said:

And no Trump supporter has told me how this is going to make America great.  I’ve asked in a couple of places.  

They can't even define what that means?  Is it when people of color were segregated?  Was it when women weren't allowed to vote? Or have a credit card in their name? Was it when it was legal to rape your wife?  Because that is the America a lot of Republicans want to go back to.

 

8 minutes ago, Dimity said:

This.  They punished Kamala because they wanted her to come out and outright condemn Israel by helping elect a man who will not only support Netanyahu but will support fellow Americans marginalizing and terrorizing those within the US who support Palestine.

I personally think we have turned a blind eye to a lot of wrongs that Israel has committed but turning our back on them would only bring up a lot more problems.  This Israel/Gaza war is not something that is easily going to be solved and my heart breaks for all the innocent people on both sides.

[Yeah No]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

THIS. I'm so sick of my liberal friends letting perfect be the enemy of good. Kamala wasn't the perfect progressive? Fine but she would have been miles better than Trump and not voting at all might as well be another vote FOR fascism.

Thank you, I have been ranting this since BEFORE the election. I saw it coming. When you only have two real choices you can't quibble over the fine points if the OTHER choice is THAT much worse. And in this case I don't think any average Democrat or even Independent can be excused for not realizing how much worse another Trump presidency would be, and that nothing Kamala would ever do could be anywhere near as bad as that. And that includes my husband and my best friend. I'd be much more pissed at them if we didn't live in very blue states. It does look like both of them might be learning their lesson now.....the hard way, unfortunately. 

[Dimity]

13 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

This Israel/Gaza war is not something that is easily going to be solved and my heart breaks for all the innocent people on both sides.

Agreed.  Unfortunately too many people want simple solutions to complex problems.  And here we are - a Trump presidency for you and a looming Poilevre government for Canada.  Sometimes I just give up.

Edited January 11 by Dimity

[bluegirl147]

2 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

Thank you, I have been ranting this since BEFORE the election. I saw it coming. When you only have two real choices you can't quibble over the fine points if the OTHER choice is THAT much worse. And in this case I don't think any average Democrat or even Independent can be excused for not realizing how much worse another Trump presidency would be, and that nothing Kamala would ever do could be anywhere near as bad as that. And that includes my husband and my best friend. I'd be much more pissed at them if we didn't live in very blue states. It does look like both of them might be learning their lesson now.....the hard way, unfortunately. 

There are still people mad that Bernie didn't get the nomination in 2016.  And because of that they won't vote for the Democratic nominees going forward. Dems need to learn their lesson or something like that.  

[annzeepark914]

16 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

See this is what I don't get. We all lived through the first Trump regime. People know who and what he is now and they still believe the crap that he spews. It's like they all have collective amnesia.

IMO, they liked what he was spewing. Any voter paying attention would've known that Trump inherited a good economy from Obama, but left a hot mess for Biden to fix (which he did very well). We've got a lot of "mean girlism" hidden amongst our fellow Americans.

[Yeah No]

21 minutes ago, Dimity said:

All I hear is how he's going to "fix" the economy.  No one addresses the crazed things he's been saying.  Or if they do it's never that they support him, it's "it's just talk".   Because that's just so much better.  A blowhard who bullies, blusters and lies.  Bring it on.  Sigh.

I couldn't get over it on my morning TV news today. They had a local professor of economics talking about what in fact Trump might do to "fix" prices and the economy and every time he listed what Trump has been saying he'll do, he qualified it with how bad the effects of that would be and how impossible it would be, etc. He even addressed the "annexing" of Greenland with a straight face! And I am SURE this man does not support Trump or he wouldn't be qualifying everything with how bad or impossible it would be. Talk about sane washing! I thought he should be rolling his eyes and calling it crazy instead of just saying, "Oh, I don't take him seriously and don't think he'd get anywhere with it anyway". Even Democrats are now minimizing his so-called "bluster" as just him trying to "get people's attention" on certain issues. I don't believe that. They are ascribing too much sanity to this man. I think Trump really thinks he can pursue these things because, sorry to say, he's what my husband would call "fuck nuts".

[annzeepark914]

3 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

There are still people mad that Bernie didn't get the nomination in 2016.  And because of that they won't vote for the Democratic nominees going forward. Dems need to learn their lesson or something like that.  

Bernie would never have won.

[kittykat]

9 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

They can't even define what that means?  Is it when people of color were segregated?  Was it when women weren't allowed to vote? Or have a credit card in their name? Was it when it was legal to rape your wife?  Because that is the America a lot of Republicans want to go back to.

I've always said it was when straight white male privilege ran unchecked and when women and POC "knew their place."

I don't want to keep going over where Harris made mistakes, but embracing the endorsement of Dick Cheney was not a good move.  I get it, it was a reach out for bipartisanship but Cheney is such a polarizing figure and the original idea man for giving unilateral powers to the president that I can see why the far left hated that move.  It, however, doesn't exonerate those who didn't vote.

22 minutes ago, Dimity said:

This.  They punished Kamala because they wanted her to come out and outright condemn Israel by helping elect a man who will not only support Netanyahu but will support fellow Americans marginalizing and terrorizing those within the US who support Palestine.

A prime example of this was our former Seattle council woman Kshama Sawant.  She's a full blown Socialist who represented the very blue Capitol Hill neighborhood and got elected on grassroots campaigning and tried to advocate for rent control in a high cost of living area.  Outside of that bubble she was NOT popular.  After leaving Seattle she went on the campaign trail with Jill Stein and condemned Israel and made their whole platform on making sure Kamala Harris did not get elected.  Just like that a woman with Bernie Sanders levels of progressive ideas went full on Tulsi levels of wackadoodle.  It's like some people just want to watch it all burn down, no matter how many innocents get hurt.

[peacheslatour]

More Saturday cartoons.

1 minute ago, annzeepark914 said:

IMO, they liked what he was spewing. Any voter paying attention would've known that Trump inherited a good economy from Obama, but left a hot mess for Biden to fix (which he did very well). We've got a lot of "mean girlism" hidden amongst our fellow Americans.

I saw an interview with some lady after one of his rallies (even though he was already in office) and she said she was disappointed in him. When the reporter pressed her she said it was because "he wasn't hurting the right people." That is how they think. Not how the government can help Americans but who the government can hurt.

[Anela]

13 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

Thank you, I have been ranting this since BEFORE the election. I saw it coming. When you only have two real choices you can't quibble over the fine points if the OTHER choice is THAT much worse. And in this case I don't think any average Democrat or even Independent can be excused for not realizing how much worse another Trump presidency would be, and that nothing Kamala would ever do could be anywhere near as bad as that. And that includes my husband and my best friend. I'd be much more pissed at them if we didn't live in very blue states. It does look like both of them might be learning their lesson now.....the hard way, unfortunately. 

I was arguing about this, too.  I hate that every election year, we eat our own (that goes for both sides, moderates and progressives). like Nancy Pelosi with AOC.

I don’t have the energy to get into other things on my mind, right now.  
 

I’ve also just seen that there’s another Canadian convoy. Didn’t they get their wish, in Trudeau resigning? 

Edited January 11 by Anela

[tres bien]

1. This week Trump threatened Hamas saying if they don’t release the hostages by his inauguration all hell will break out in the Middle East. I picture them all giving him the finger 

A couple of days ago Hakeem Jeffries went after Trump reminding his voters that they did not vote for him to threaten Greenland, etc No. he promised to lower the price of groceries and this ain’t gonna do it. Ilove Hakeem Jeffries 

As far as the Palestinian community(especially in MI) how could you do this. If Palestine is so important to you and your lives not voting for Kamala to teach her a lesson honestly fuck all of you including members of congress. It’s got it’s wackos in MN too that were delegates to DNC and voted “uncommitted “ fucking losers 

Ilham Omar is my rep( she endorsed Kamala) she most likely will not loose her seat but I have a very hard time voting for her but also feel like it’s wrong to vote for the republican in these times (although I did in the early 2000’s) and somewhat irresponsible to leave a blank space 

And since someone brought up Susan Sarandon. Since her BS in 2016 she was added to my blacklisted  celebrities 

Edited January 11 by tres bien

[bluegirl147]

10 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

Bernie would never have won.

Oh believe me I know that but some people refuse to believe that.  The man has never managed to get any meaningful legislation through but sure he was going to win the presidency and then get Republicans to work with him.

10 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

More Saturday cartoons.

I saw an interview with some lady after one of his rallies (even though he was already in office) and she said she was disappointed in him. When the reporter pressed her she said it was because "he wasn't hurting the right people." That is how they think. Not how the government can help Americans but who the government can hurt.

They turned it into a game.  If you aren't winning you are losing.   And winning to them is destroying your opponent.  They would rather there be legislation that hurts them if it hurts all the right people worse.

 

[Anela]

And my state rep is too moderate for my liking.  She’s voted for things that I do not like at all. But I voted all blue, because of the extremist GOP having a grip on my State.  And the fucking country in general. 

Edited January 11 by Anela

[tearknee]

Those on college campuses carrying water for the Palestinian groups don't seem to understand that most people in Gaza have grown up under Hamas and have very little information about the world outside the Gaza Strip.

Or that no invasion would have meant leaving Hamas in control and the world "peace movement" know damn well of the boasting of more October 7ths as soon as they got the chance.

Israel - and the majority of its population - are utterly determined that no Palestinian terror or militia group ever gets that chance.

Biden and Harris made the right choice as well.

[Dimity]

20 minutes ago, Anela said:

I’ve also just seen that there’s another Canadian convoy. Didn’t they get their wish, in Trudeau resigning? 

The Convoy has been in the news recently because some of them have been sentenced to, IMO, very light sentences for what they did.  Of course to their supporters even 4 months is just a travesty 🙄.

[Anela]

5 minutes ago, tearknee said:

Those on college campuses carrying water for the Palestinian groups don't seem to understand that most people in Gaza have grown up under Hamas and have very little information about the world outside the Gaza Strip.

Or that no invasion would have meant leaving Hamas in control and the world "peace movement" know damn well of the boasting of more October 7ths as soon as they got the chance.

Israel - and the majority of its population - are utterly determined that no Palestinian terror or militia group ever gets that chance.

Biden and Harris made the right choice as well.

See, this is one thing that I don’t have the energy to cover right now. 

[Lisa418722]

44 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I saw an interview with some lady after one of his rallies (even though he was already in office) and she said she was disappointed in him. When the reporter pressed her she said it was because "he wasn't hurting the right people." That is how they think. Not how the government can help Americans but who the government can hurt.

I feel like this is why he won.  He gives people permission to be racist, sexist, anti-semitic, etc., to go after "those" people (whoever "those" people are).  

[isalicat]

21 hours ago, Dimity said:

I guess the difference is the ones making disgusting, hateful posts on the Dems side were anonymous people on the Internet.  The ones being absolutely disgusting on the Republicans side were the ones running for office.

Watch MSNBC much? not "anonymous people on the Internet" according to an independent fact checking professional I heard interviewed on NPR a couple of mornings ago. He said that they actually found that MSNBC was *more* biased and full of incorrect info that Fox (Faux) News.

[peacheslatour]

I don't watch cable news.

[anony.miss]

12 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

 

Anyone notice how the "cackle" has disappeared?

What is there to laugh about? Kamala Harris is a decent human being with a normal sense of humor (unlike Trump, who is apparently amused only by people in pain,  whether he’s mocking a reporter with physical disabilities or grinning while throwing paper towels at hurricane victims).  Harris can see where the country is headed and it’s nothing to laugh about. Pregnant women dying in parking lots due to Trump’s brutal abortion policies. More natural disasters, rising in scope, due to Trump refusing to accept global warming is real and a danger to U.S. citizens. Middle class American jobs going to H1B visa holders, because they're willing to work for far less money, no benefits, and much longer working hours: corporate slave labor, instead of employees being able to buy a house and build a life. Trump tariffs jacking up the price of everything from food to electronics. The GOP putting on the chopping block both Medicaid and ACA/Obamacare (which are the same program, despite GOP attempts to confuse voters). Trump threatening other countries with invasion and expansionist takeovers.  Pick an issue - jobs, trade, health care, social security, education, climate change, Gaza -  Trump is already, before even taking office, destroying stability in multiple areas of domestic and foreign policy.  So yeah, Harris is not laughing these days. Neither am I. Nobody who gives a shit about the world finds any of this funny or amusing.

[bluegirl147]

1 hour ago, Lisa418722 said:

I feel like this is why he won.  He gives people permission to be racist, sexist, anti-semitic, etc., to go after "those" people (whoever "those" people are).  

Is everyone who voted for Trump racist/sexist/anti-Semitic etc? No.  Did the majority of racists/sexists/anti-Semites vote for Trump?  I believe so yes. 

[peacheslatour]

5 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Is everyone who voted for Trump racist/sexist/anti-Semitic etc? No.  Did the majority of racists/sexists/anti-Semites vote for Trump?  I believe so yes. 

If not for those reasons, then what else is there? The economy? He'll crash it. Peace in Ukraine? If handing it to Putin is peace, I have some swamp land in Florida to sell you. Peace in Gaza, see what I said about Ukraine. What other reason is there? Lower taxes? Not unless you're a billionaire.

[Dimity]

1 minute ago, peacheslatour said:

If not for those reasons, then what else is there?

Owning the libs?  If it's not the economy it's built on hate in some form or another.

[bluegirl147]

Most people don't admit they have any prejudices.  Even while  spouting off bigoted remarks they will deny they are bigots. So all the Trump voters who say it was the economy or the border or taxes if they aren't bigots they are at the very least bigot enablers.  Their votes allow the bigots to continue to engage in systemic bigotry.

[Avaleigh]

1 hour ago, anony.miss said:

What is there to laugh about?

Adding to what you said, when I see people use the word "cackle" to describe the laughter of people like Kamala and Hillary, whether intended or not, it feels like there's a misogynistic vibe in describing it that way. Men are rarely, if ever, described as having cackling laughter aside from the occasional cartoon villain.

It also comes across as a little dehumanizing. The inference is that Kamala is a witch and doesn't laugh the way typical people do. 

[tres bien]

Talking about Trump’s never ending desire to dismantle the ACA and leave millions of people without health insurance, this week it was reported that the Supreme Court will review the ACA’s no cost coverage for some preventative care services including cancer screenings. What the actual hell is the matter with these people 

I other news you can use. Today Jack Smith resigned his position at the DOJ where he’s been employed since 1999 ( he’s 55) It’s almost Twilight Zone ish that good decent respectable people are bullied to resign their jobs. And FFS AG Garland you’re thankfully going to be out of your job in about a week so release the J6 report!

And one more thing from the wonderful world of MAGA. Supposed incoming boarder czar has told house republicans that they need to temper their expectations. They have no means or resources to round up 10 million illegals and send them on their way. Oh the joy of promises made promises kept 😆

 

[Dimity]

1 hour ago, isalicat said:

He said that they actually found that MSNBC was *more* biased and full of incorrect info that Fox (Faux) News.

He can get back to me after MSNBC ends up in court. Until then, yeah, not so much.

Fox News headed for trial, again, over 2020 election fraud claims

[Bastet]

40 minutes ago, Avaleigh said:

Men are rarely, if ever, described as having cackling laughter

Just like the overwhelming majority of people described as "unlikable" are women. 

Strident is another gendered term.  Bossy.  Shrill.  Ambitious somehow becomes a pejorative when it's describing a woman. 

Edited January 11 by Bastet

[peacheslatour]

1 minute ago, tres bien said:

Talking about Trump’s never ending desire to dismantle the ACA and leave millions of people without health insurance, this week it was reported that the Supreme Court will review the ACA’s no cost coverage for some preventative care services including cancer screenings. What the actual hell is the matter with these people 

I other news you can use. Today Jack Smith resigned his position at the DOJ where he’s been employed since 1999 ( he’s 55) It’s almost Twilight Zone ish that good decent respectable people are bullied to resign their jobs. And FFS AG Garland you’re thankfully going to be out of your job in about a week so release the J6 report!

And one more thing from the wonderful world of MAGA. Supposed incoming boarder czar has told house republicans that they need to temper their expectations. They have no means or resources to round up 10 million illegals and send them on their way. Oh the joy of promises made promises kept 😆

 

Fuck Merrick Garland.

[Annber03]

3 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

Fix the economy.  And how do they think he is going to do that?  Is there some magic wand he can wave?  And if there is why wouldn't Biden have already waved it?  Not all but for a big portion of Trump voters they use the economy as an excuse for their vote.   It's there way of making themselves feel better that they are supporting a man who is a racist, convicted of sexual misconduct, convicted of fraud and even after serving one term already is still woefully unqualified for the presidency.  But sure he is going to make eggs cheape.

And this is why the whole "economy" excuse is totall bullshit to me. Becuase, a), they can never actually explain HOW he'll fix our economy ,and b) anytime I hear Trump supporters or the GOP talk, it's never about teh economy. They're always whining about "wokeness" and transgender people and trying to ban LGBTQ+ content in schools and pushing abortion bans.

How all of that is supposed to help fix our economic woes, I'm not sure, but for a party that claims to have won because of the economy ,and a group of supportesr that claimed to vote for said party because of the economy, they sure don't seem to be focusing on that actual topic much, if at all. 

Which is why this...

2 hours ago, Lisa418722 said:

I feel like this is why he won.  He gives people permission to be racist, sexist, anti-semitic, etc., to go after "those" people (whoever "those" people are).  

...is spot on. It's exactly why he won. All this "It was the economy/the Democrats did this and that wrong" analysis people in the media and elsewhere keep throwing out there is just a way to avoid coming out and stating the obvious. Trump has made no secret of who he is and what he stands for at this point, and neither has the GOP as a party. Trump supportesr aren't that deep, there's no hidden motives or theories to understand about him. They voted for Trump and the GOP because they either agree with thier racism/sexism/homophobia/transphobia/xenophobia, or at the very least, they sure as hell don't mind that their representatives have those mindsets and want to make policy based off said mindsets. We (general "we?) need to stop giving them cover and trying to make their support for such vile people and beliefs palatable. 

3 hours ago, Dimity said:

Agreed.  Unfortunately too many people want simple solutions to complex problems.  And here we are - a Trump presidency for you and a looming Poilevre government for Canada.  Sometimes I just give up.

Mmhm. I think a lot of people who refused to vote for the Democrats on teh Palestine/Israel issue do not fully understand the history behind all of what's going on and why our country, for better and worse has responded as we have and I think they seem to think that the president can and should just find some kind of easy fix to that war, as if people haven't been trying to find solutions to the battles in that part of the world for decades now. 

I'm no expert on that issue, iether, far from it, so I'm including myself in that analysis. I fully support the Palestinina people and can agree with the critiques some have out there regarding how our country's responded to this. But I also know that resolving this is nowhere near as easy as those who refused to vote for the Democrats over it seem to think it is, and I also know that not voting, or voting for Trump, as a means of protest is going to do absolutely fuck all to solve this issue the way people want it to be solved. 

[bluegirl147]

27 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Talking about Trump’s never ending desire to dismantle the ACA and leave millions of people without health insurance, this week it was reported that the Supreme Court will review the ACA’s no cost coverage for some preventative care services including cancer screenings. What the actual hell is the matter with these people 

 

 

And you know why this lawsuit even started?  Because some religious institutions didn't want their employees to have the AIDS prep covered.  So after winding it's way through appeals courts it is now in front of SCOTUS who could very well take away mammograms and pap smears and colonoscopies among other preventive care.  Tell me again the Republican party is the pro life party.

31 minutes ago, Bastet said:

Just like the majority of people described as "unlikable" are women. 

Strident is another gendered term.  Bossy.  Shrill.  Ambitious somehow becomes a pejorative when it's describing a woman. 

See also difficult.  Hysterical.   And don't even get me started on sex.  Do you ever hear a man described as promiscuous?

32 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Fuck Merrick Garland.

Such a monumental disappointment.

 

[Dimity]

20 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

But I also know that resolving this is nowhere near as easy as those who refused to vote for the Democrats over it seem to think it is, and I also know that not voting, or voting for Trump, as a means of protest is going to do absolutely fuck all to solve this issue the way people want it to be solved. 

The university students  I know who are all in for Palestine are aggravating as hell to me, not because they are wrong, but because they honestly act like this is a new problem and no one else has tried to resolve things until they came along.  They remind me of how every generation figures they are the first ones to discover sex.