Chit-Chat: The Feels

[Dimity]

1 hour ago, annzeepark914 said:

NY media has been well aware (for a long time) of how litigious Trump is, ready to sue at the drop of a hat.

Fair point but the media is already handling Trump with kid gloves, if the few who are still willing to stand up to the bully are silenced then we may as well just all give up right now.

[Bastet]

The mainstream media became stenographers, not journalists, when Bush II invaded Iraq based on a known lie (Bush and Cheney were not "misled" by "false intelligence", they straight-up lied that Saddam was in league with al Qaeda and sitting on an arsenal of WMD) and never properly bounced back.  The sanewashing of Trump pre-election and capitulation to him post-election is a new low, but not new altogether.  (And, of course, the fourth estate was not without flaws prior to 2003, or ever; that was just a significant modern shift we're still dealing with.)

[FilmTVGeek80]

3 hours ago, annzeepark914 said:

Well, if I were the head of ABC, George would soon be gone. That was really stupid of him to be using the word, "rape", when the jury convicted DJT of sexual assault (& that wording was discussed a lot at the time). NY media has been well aware (for a long time) of how litigious Trump is, ready to sue at the drop of a hat.

But George S wasn’t basing his statement on what the jury found. He said clearly that it was based on the judge saying that 45 committed rape. 

Judge dismisses 45 defamation suit

Most of the lawyers I’ve seen on BlueSky say it’s completely stupid that ABC capitulated like this. They could have won the case. And, at least, they could have let 45 get deposed since that was scheduled for this week or next week.

[kittykat]

23 minutes ago, Bastet said:

The mainstream media became stenographers, not journalists, when Bush II invaded Iraq based on a known lie (Bush and Cheney were not "misled" by "false intelligence", they straight-up lied that Saddam was in league with al Qaeda and sitting on an arsenal of WMD) and never properly bounced back.  The sanewashing of Trump pre-election and capitulation to him post-election is a new low, but not new altogether.  (And, of course, the fourth estate was not without flaws prior to 2003, or ever; that was just a significant modern shift we're still dealing with.)

People have been trying to convince others for years that media was liberal run and owned but I've never been convinced.  All the in major news units have always had that slight conservative slant (even MSNBC has their conservative outputs). And now with corporations buying up news outlets and pretty much dictating how they can or can't tell the news, social media outragists don't have a leg to stand on when they accuse the news of liberal bias because it's not there.  The sanewashing is atrocious but not surprising.

[Bastet]

12 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

Most of the lawyers I’ve seen on BlueSky say it’s completely stupid that ABC capitulated like this. They could have won the case. And, at least, they could have let 45 get deposed since that was scheduled for this week or next week.

So obviously avoiding deposition by settling at this early stage right before they were scheduled to happen is what's hinky about this case given the circumstances (a defendant with deep pockets so can afford to go the distance, plus a claim they had a good chance at successfully defending).

[Dimity]

37 minutes ago, kittykat said:

People have been trying to convince others for years that media was liberal run and owned but I've never been convinced. 

Trump spends a lot of time condemning main stream media and encouraging his followers to attack journalists - and I mean even physically attack them.  But that's just never made sense to me. Is he so thin skinned that anything other than Fox level adulation sounds like criticism to him?  Wait, of course he's that thin skinned!  But even so, he's been given so little real pushback over the years that anyone other than Trump would be bloody grateful!

[Lantern7]

I went out for bagels this morning. Passed a house with a Trump flag. Turned on the news. Heard that Trump went to the Army/Navy game and Daniel Penny was his guest.

I wonder how much of what he does is out of genuine feeling and how much is about looking like the absolute worst person ever. You know, “owning the libs.” Honestly, Mr. Burns has been a nice guy every once in a while, and he’s as one-dimensional as they come.

[Wiendish Fitch]

10 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Trump spends a lot of time condemning main stream media and encouraging his followers to attack journalists - and I mean even physically attack them.  But that's just never made sense to me. Is he so thin skinned that anything other than Fox level adulation sounds like criticism to him?  Wait, of course he's that thin skinned!  But even so, he's been given so little real pushback over the years that anyone other than Trump would be bloody grateful!

If media criticism, no matter how mild, sounds unappealing to you... don't become a public figure. Anonymity gets a bad rap. There's actually a lot to be said about being a "nobody". 

This has been another installment of "How to Be the Polar Opposite of Donald Trump". 

[Dimity]

5 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

He needs to remember Robespierre and Mussolini.

That is all that keeps me going some days.

[Annber03]

3 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I never wanted to be rich and famous. Just rich. Stinky could have been just another jet setting rich asshole and probably been as happy as he's capable of being. Instead his monumental hubris made him run for president. I hope he wallows in the misery he's creating. He needs to remember Robespierre and Mussolini.

This. Why couldn't he just stay in his lane and focus on being this supposed brilliant businessman?

30 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Trump spends a lot of time condemning main stream media and encouraging his followers to attack journalists - and I mean even physically attack them.  But that's just never made sense to me. Is he so thin skinned that anything other than Fox level adulation sounds like criticism to him?  Wait, of course he's that thin skinned!  But even so, he's been given so little real pushback over the years that anyone other than Trump would be bloody grateful!

He acts like he's the first person ever to have mean, critical things said about him, or the first person ever to be mocked for something, or the first presidetnt to ever have people who disapprove of him and his performance. 

Truly, I have never, in my life, seen someone as deeply thin-skinned as Trump. And I HATE that the rest of us have to suffer because he can't suck it up and act like the supposed older adult he is. He is the biggest crybaby ever. 

1 hour ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

Most of the lawyers I’ve seen on BlueSky say it’s completely stupid that ABC capitulated like this. They could have won the case. And, at least, they could have let 45 get deposed since that was scheduled for this week or next week.

I've heard the same thing. I just want someone, once and for all, to tell Trump, and his supporters, for that matter, to fuck off and shut up. To their faces. Just tell them, "No, I am not going to bend to your will." and hold to that. 

(I'd also really love to see someone who's being charged with a crime that's pretty minor, all things considered, and yet is still facing a ridiculous amount of jail time, to say, "I'll go to jail when Trump and his cronies do." And they and their lawyers hold to that stance. If Trump and his buddies don't have to ever face consequences for their crimes, after all...)

[Wiendish Fitch]

3 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

He acts like he's the first person ever to have mean, critical things said about him, or the first person ever to be mocked for something, or the first presidetnt to ever have people who disapprove of him and his performance. 

Truly, I have never, in my life, seen someone as deeply thin-skinned as Trump. And I HATE that the rest of us have to suffer because he can't suck it up and act like the supposed older adult he is. He is the biggest crybaby ever. 

Robin Givens. Anita Hill. Sinead O'Connor. Marcia Clark. The Chicks. Britney Spears. Lindsay Lohan. Janet Jackson. 

These are just a few women in my lifetime that I can name off the top of my head who received double the amount of mainstream media criticism Trump has received*. While none of them are perfect, they still handled themselves with more class and dignity than Trump (who older than all of them) ever has or ever will. 

*I'm mortified that I'm missing some. Feel free to add to the list. 

[bluegirl147]

I will never understand how Trump warrants such devotion.   Such obsequiousness. He is dumb.  He is cruel.   He is selfish.  He is petty.  He is immature. And yet here he is again.  Given the keys to the car he will most likely drive off a cliff. 

 

2 minutes ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

Robin Givens. Anita Hill. Sinead O'Connor. Marcia Clark. The Chicks. Britney Spears. Lindsay Lohan. Janet Jackson. 

These are just a few women in my lifetime that I can name off the top of my head who received double the amount of mainstream media criticism Trump has received*. While none of them are perfect, they still handled themselves with more class and dignity than Trump (who older than all of them) ever has or ever will. 

*I'm mortified that I'm missing some. Feel free to add to the list. 

Hillary Clinton.

[peacheslatour]

12 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

This. Why couldn't he just stay in his lane and focus on being this supposed brilliant businessman?

He acts like he's the first person ever to have mean, critical things said about him, or the first person ever to be mocked for something, or the first presidetnt to ever have people who disapprove of him and his performance. 

Truly, I have never, in my life, seen someone as deeply thin-skinned as Trump. And I HATE that the rest of us have to suffer because he can't suck it up and act like the supposed older adult he is. He is the biggest crybaby ever. 

I've heard the same thing. I just want someone, once and for all, to tell Trump, and his supporters, for that matter, to fuck off and shut up. To their faces. Just tell them, "No, I am not going to bend to your will." and hold to that. 

(I'd also really love to see someone who's being charged with a crime that's pretty minor, all things considered, and yet is still facing a ridiculous amount of jail time, to say, "I'll go to jail when Trump and his cronies do." And they and their lawyers hold to that stance. If Trump and his buddies don't have to ever face consequences for their crimes, after all...)

These are selling like hot cakes at Amazon.

[Dimity]

2 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Hillary Clinton.

Kamala Harris. 

[Yeah No]

56 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Trump spends a lot of time condemning main stream media and encouraging his followers to attack journalists - and I mean even physically attack them.  But that's just never made sense to me. Is he so thin skinned that anything other than Fox level adulation sounds like criticism to him?  Wait, of course he's that thin skinned!  But even so, he's been given so little real pushback over the years that anyone other than Trump would be bloody grateful!

20 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

This. Why couldn't he just stay in his lane and focus on being this supposed brilliant businessman?

He acts like he's the first person ever to have mean, critical things said about him, or the first person ever to be mocked for something, or the first presidetnt to ever have people who disapprove of him and his performance. 

Truly, I have never, in my life, seen someone as deeply thin-skinned as Trump. And I HATE that the rest of us have to suffer because he can't suck it up and act like the supposed older adult he is. He is the biggest crybaby ever. 

Perhaps this will help, (thanks to Google):

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Narcissists are often considered insecure because their inflated sense of self-worth is actually a fragile facade used to mask deep underlying insecurities, which they try to compensate for by seeking excessive external validation and admiration from others, often through manipulation and self-aggrandizement; essentially, they rely heavily on how others perceive them to feel good about themselves, making them highly sensitive to criticism and rejection. 

Key points about why narcissists might be insecure:

Fear of failure:

Due to their inflated self-image, narcissists may be particularly afraid of failure or criticism, which can trigger feelings of inadequacy and shame. 

Childhood experiences:

Some experts believe that narcissistic behaviors can stem from childhood experiences like inconsistent parenting, excessive praise, or a lack of validation, leading to a distorted sense of self-worth. 

Fragile self-esteem:

While narcissists may present a confident exterior, their self-esteem is often fragile and dependent on external validation, making them vulnerable to insecurity when that validation is not received. 

Need for constant validation:

Narcissists often require excessive praise and attention to maintain their self-esteem, which can lead to feelings of insecurity if they don't receive it. 

Also this:

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-narcissists-thin-skinned

Edited December 15 by Yeah No

[Dimity]

If only life really were a YA novel:

 

[bluegirl147]

I can hear the explanation why Trump is a narcissist but it's still him being an asshole.  He makes the choice to be the absolute disgusting horrible person he is.  

[Dimity]

5 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

He makes the choice to be the absolute disgusting horrible person he is.  

And his followers have chosen to make this disgusting person their messiah.  It  just beggars belief.

Edited December 15 by Dimity

[Annber03]

31 minutes ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

Robin Givens. Anita Hill. Sinead O'Connor. Marcia Clark. The Chicks. Britney Spears. Lindsay Lohan. Janet Jackson. 

These are just a few women in my lifetime that I can name off the top of my head who received double the amount of mainstream media criticism Trump has received*. While none of them are perfect, they still handled themselves with more class and dignity than Trump (who older than all of them) ever has or ever will. 

*I'm mortified that I'm missing some. Feel free to add to the list. 

But just remember, women can't possibly be in charge of anything, 'cause we're just "too emotional" to handle things!

[peacheslatour]

5 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

But just remember, women can't possibly be in charge of anything, 'cause we're just "too emotional" to handle things!

B..but anger's not an emotion, right?

 

[Yeah No]

14 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

I can hear the explanation why Trump is a narcissist but it's still him being an asshole.  He makes the choice to be the absolute disgusting horrible person he is.  

Self awareness eludes him so it's not really a conscious choice in the full sense, but that doesn't excuse him because by now he should have developed enough self awareness not to be such an asshole. And he's still responsible for the horrible things he does.

[bluegirl147]

1 minute ago, Yeah No said:

Self awareness eludes him so it's not really a conscious choice in the full sense, but that doesn't excuse him because by now he should have developed enough self awareness not to be such an asshole. And he's still responsible for the horrible things he does.

With him and some of his cronies such Stephen Miller the cruelty is the point.

[peacheslatour]

So, what are the good guys gonna do?

 

[Dimity]

9 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

People are still saying disgusting things about Michelle, and she’s been nothing but classy.

Just before the election I saw more than a few horrible memes cross my FB that said that Michelle was a man passing as a woman.  I don't remember now if this was something that was going the rounds when Obama was president or not.  Or if this is a new slur based on the MAGA hatred for trans people.

[bluegirl147]

Enough already.  Bernie Sanders and Amy Klobacher both think Biden shouldn't have pardoned his son.  Sanders went as far as to say he didn't think the pardon was in America's best interest. But Hunter going to jail for crimes nobody else is ever charged with would be in America's best interest?  Sure let's keep talking about this and less about Trump's unqualified and dangerous cabinet picks. 

3 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Just before the election I saw more than a few horrible memes cross my FB that said that Michelle was a man passing as a woman.  I don't remember now if this was something that was going the rounds when Obama was president or not.  Or if this is a new slur based on the MAGA hatred for trans people.

This isn't new.  They don't even believe Sasha and Malia are Michelle's. You know since she is a man.

[peacheslatour]

4 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Enough already.  Bernie Sanders and Amy Klobacher both think Biden shouldn't have pardoned his son.  Sanders went as far as to say he didn't think the pardon was in America's best interest. But Hunter going to jail for crimes nobody else is ever charged with would be in America's best interest?  Sure let's keep talking about this and less about Trump's unqualified and dangerous cabinet picks. 

This isn't new.  They don't even believe Sasha and Malia are Michelle's. You know since she is a man.

They've never seen a woman who is tall and fit before, not surprising. Ever look at a MAGAt rally?

[tres bien]

Bernie can just fuck off. And for the rest of the Dems who think the president shouldn’t have pardoned Hunter. Yeah just STFU

if anyone thinks Joe pardoning Hunter has tarnished his legacy you’re an idiot 

[bluegirl147]

22 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Bernie can just fuck off. And for the rest of the Dems who think the president shouldn’t have pardoned Hunter. Yeah just STFU

if anyone thinks Joe pardoning Hunter has tarnished his legacy you’re an idiot 

It's bizarre right?  Trump is going to pardon insurrectionists.  People who tried to overthrow if not our government our democracy but Biden doing what any loving parent who do is cause for condemnation? 

Sanders self righteous indignation fits right in with all those Dems who stayed home because of reasons.  And Klobacher is looking ahead to 2028. Probably thinking she can appeal to some Republicans.

Speaking of Republicans I read an article tnat said Democrat pollsters concluded going forward Democrats should distance themselves from "wokeness"  In other words try to be Republicans.   The same pollsters who either lied about Harris's chances this year or were clearly inept at their job.

Edited December 16 by bluegirl147

[Dimity]

27 minutes ago, tres bien said:

if anyone thinks Joe pardoning Hunter has tarnished his legacy you’re an idiot 

And I don't think Joe gives a toss.  No matter what good he has accomplished in his life and in his presidency he will always and forever now be overshadowed by Herr Trump.  And not because Trump did one damn thing that was good for the country.

Edited December 16 by Dimity

[annzeepark914]

9 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Sanders self righteous indignation fits right in with all those Dems who stayed home because of reasons.  And Klobacher is looking ahead to 2028. Probably thinking she can appeal to some Republicans.

 

 

Klobacher *still* thinks she has what it takes to be a presidential candidate? She has too much baggage plus, she always sounds so whimpy/whiney. I think the Dems have finally learned: no female candidate on their ticket will be successful. No idea if the Maga Party could pull this off. 

[peacheslatour]

23 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

Klobacher *still* thinks she has what it takes to be a presidential candidate? She has too much baggage plus, she always sounds so whimpy/whiney. I think the Dems have finally learned: no female candidate on their ticket will be successful. No idea if the Maga Party could pull this off. 

It's true. Way back in 2017, 18, I really was thinking Gretchen Whitmer or Elizabeth Warren could pull it off nicely. Those aspirations are gone.

[Dimity]

26 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

I think the Dems have finally learned: no female candidate on their ticket will be successful.

Before Biden dropped out I had said as much in a post here, I think in The View.  But I admit it, when Kamala became the candidate I had hope.  Real hope.  I gues that's how a lot of us felt.  Which made the loss all the more crushing. 

On the subject of women candidates one of the pundits was on a Canadian news show today sneering (as they usually do) that the Liberal party is the only federal party that has never been led by a woman.  Came right and said this made any of their claims about equality and women's right hollow. 

Of course what he didn't mention is that the only reason the Cons ever had a woman leader was because Mulroney stuck Kim Campbell with the role of PM when he stepped down and the Cons self destructed.  Other parties have had women leaders but, so far, have never formed the govt.  His useless point was as usual really just another way to own the Libs.

[kittykat]

24 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

Klobacher *still* thinks she has what it takes to be a presidential candidate? She has too much baggage plus, she always sounds so whimpy/whiney. I think the Dems have finally learned: no female candidate on their ticket will be successful. No idea if the Maga Party could pull this off. 

I don't really like using a likeability factor with potential candidates because it only seems to matter when you're female but she has a major likeability issue and she would fare worse than both Clinton and Harris did.

40 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Speaking of Republicans I read an article tnat said Democrat pollsters concluded going forward Democrats should distance themselves from "wokeness"  In other words try to be Republicans.   The same pollsters who either lied about Harris's chances this year or were clearly inept at their job.

FUCKING HELL!  Yeah let's further alienate the bases that continually get fucked by Republican policies and still vote for us even though, quite frankly, our side really hasn't done much to deserve their votes.  Don't stray away from woke politics, LEAN IN to these policies.  Double down, don't abandon at risk minorities and LGBTQIA+ groups that have absolutely no support from the Republican side all because you need to pander to those centrist white voters who need to feel special.  The DNC needs a full sweep top/down. I feel like I need to write a very pointed letter saying why going in this direction is very wrong and shouldn't be done just because the elitist pundits say so.

 

[PRgal]

Since this is kind of leaning political, I'll keep it here rather than over on Peeves or the main Chit-Chat board.  Canada's "tax holiday," meaning certain goods, including restaurant non-alcoholic restaurant meals, snacks and things like that would be tax free for two months, began yesterday (December 14).  I went to pick up cake (small, individual ones) at a bakery/patisserie yesterday and the server said that it would be tax free if I bought six (this is standard, tax holiday or not).  I mentioned to her that I thought everything was tax-free since it was December 14th.  She said she didn't know what I was talking about (it was all over the news).  An older gentleman (manager, perhaps?) was at the counter as well and told me that the store "wasn't alerted."  Sounded like some kind of excuse.  If they weren't ready/their system wasn't ready, then that's what he should have told me.  And since I wasn't aware I could claim it myself, I didn't ask for a receipt (they're cashless, and being cashless, their system should really also prompt me for contact info so a receipt could be sent if I opted in).  I posted about it on Threads and more people thought I was a Karen than siding with me.  At least I didn't go Karen at the store?  Better to be Karen'd on Threads than going viral as Pastry Shop Karen?

[peacheslatour]

39 minutes ago, PRgal said:

Since this is kind of leaning political, I'll keep it here rather than over on Peeves or the main Chit-Chat board.  Canada's "tax holiday," meaning certain goods, including restaurant non-alcoholic restaurant meals, snacks and things like that would be tax free for two months, began yesterday (December 14).  I went to pick up cake (small, individual ones) at a bakery/patisserie yesterday and the server said that it would be tax free if I bought six (this is standard, tax holiday or not).  I mentioned to her that I thought everything was tax-free since it was December 14th.  She said she didn't know what I was talking about (it was all over the news).  An older gentleman (manager, perhaps?) was at the counter as well and told me that the store "wasn't alerted."  Sounded like some kind of excuse.  If they weren't ready/their system wasn't ready, then that's what he should have told me.  And since I wasn't aware I could claim it myself, I didn't ask for a receipt (they're cashless, and being cashless, their system should really also prompt me for contact info so a receipt could be sent if I opted in).  I posted about it on Threads and more people thought I was a Karen than siding with me.  At least I didn't go Karen at the store?  Better to be Karen'd on Threads than going viral as Pastry Shop Karen?

When I had a shop, I stayed up on news like that. They should have known.

Edited December 16 by peacheslatour

[Annber03]

2 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

Don’t forget the Obamas. People are still saying disgusting things about Michelle, and she’s been nothing but classy.

And this is why I am so fucking tired of the "The left needs to watch their tone in how they talk to Trump supporters"/"The left just needs to try and reach across the aisle". PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT AND ARE STILL DOING THAT AND IT'S NOT GETTING US SQUAT. Michelle's been nothing but classy and hasn't once stooped to Trump's level and what's it getting her? More racist vitriol from the dumbasses out there. 

And yet we can't call MAGA suporters stupid 'cause that might hurt their precious feelings. Fuck that. When the right gets the same lecture to tone down their language and reach across tha aisle and try to understand those of us who aren't Trump supporters, then maybe I'll give a damn about playing nice. 

Until then, people can shut up with the "tone argument" BS. 

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

.Speaking of Republicans I read an article tnat said Democrat pollsters concluded going forward Democrats should distance themselves from "wokeness"  In other words try to be Republicans.   The same pollsters who either lied about Harris's chances this year or were clearly inept at their job.

I hope like hell nobody listens to that nonsense. No, the Democrats should not even try and abandon their support for women and minority groups and anything that resmebles "wokeness". They need to keep pushing that and pushing it hard, and Democratic voters need to come out en masse and keep pushing to make this stuff a reality, too, instead of just sititng home because they think they're too good to bother casting a vote for a candidate that may not fit their "perfect checklist". 

It's so fucking depressing that in 2024 people are still so bugged about the idea of a woman being presdient. Get over yourselves, you pathetic babies. 

[annzeepark914]

Women's achievements have been hidden for decades, so no wonder a lot of voters just don't believe a woman could be a strong, successful commander-in-chief. Who knew that women enabled male astronauts to get up into outer space (& saved John Glenn on his firey return to Earth?) That certainly wasn't taught in high school back in my day. Who knew it was a group of CIA women who found Bin laden (when no one else could), enabling male Seals to go in and kill him? Is there a book describing female accomplishments like these that should be taught in schools today? Why is it always such a surprise?

[peacheslatour]

8 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

Women's achievements have been hidden for decades, so no wonder a lot of voters just don't believe a woman could be a strong, successful commander-in-chief. Who knew that women enabled male astronauts to get up into outer space (& saved John Glenn on his firey return to Earth?) That certainly wasn't taught in high school back in my day. Who knew it was a group of CIA women who found Bin laden (when no one else could), enabling male Seals to go in and kill him? Is there a book describing female accomplishments like these that should be taught in schools today? Why is it always such a surprise?

I just watched Hidden Figures last night. Dorothy Vaugan's answer to Al Harrison on why it took her forty minutes to use the ladies room was everything.

[annzeepark914]

Maybe Hollywood could get up to snuff and produce an updated version of "The Right Stuff" featuring female astronauts, engineers, test pilots, etc.  Or, would that threaten young males and their moms? (I can't get over the number of posts on Facebook about how boys "are being held back").

Edited December 16 by annzeepark914

[Dimity]

4 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

Or, would that threaten young males and their moms? (I can get over the number of posts on Facebook about how boys "are being held back").

That totally kills me.  I had a son and a daughter and no one is ever going to convince me that he was disadvantaged by being born male. Please.  Now if you've got an hour or two to spare I'll give you a rundown on the hurdles my daughter and her friends were STILL facing long after women were supposedly considered equal to men.

[Absolom]

34 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Now if you've got an hour or two to spare I'll give you a rundown on the hurdles my daughter and her friends were STILL facing long after women were supposedly considered equal to men.

My daughter still faces being the only woman in the room at meetings and being talked over.  I thought we'd killed that a few decades ago.

It's even within families. My daughter and I keep telling her in-laws the granddaughter is fine with her brother's not pink and sparkly hand-me-downs.  In fact she prefers them.  She wants black and olive green not pink and purple.  

[Annber03]

2 hours ago, annzeepark914 said:

Maybe Hollywood could get up to snuff and produce an updated version of "The Right Stuff" featuring female astronauts, engineers, test pilots, etc.  Or, would that threaten young males and their moms? (I can't get over the number of posts on Facebook about how boys "are being held back").

They'd probably have to deal with a bunch of idiots online whining about how the movie was "too woke" or some bullshit like that. 

1 hour ago, Absolom said:

My daughter still faces being the only woman in the room at meetings and being talked over.  I thought we'd killed that a few decades ago.

This makes me all the more glad that I work in a place where my boss and co-woerkers are all women (there are men who work at the clinic, too, but they're not in the business office, they work in other departments and we don't often interact with them directly. My boss does, though, and she has talked about how she's had to deal with that with some of them, too). 

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It's even within families. My daughter and I keep telling her in-laws the granddaughter is fine with her brother's not pink and sparkly hand-me-downs.  In fact she prefers them.  She wants black and olive green not pink and purple.  

So years ago, back when we were living in another state (I want to say it might've been Nebraska or Wyoming?), my mom worked for a time at a Hallmark store. She liked the job itself, but she would sometimes talk about how her bosses, who were a married couple, were kind of...odd. 

One day this couple comes in to buy something for their baby. My mom goes to wrap the present and just grabs some pink ribbon, 'cause it matched the color of the wrapping paper and she thought it would all look nice. 

The...wife, I think it was, who was her boss literally came over and ripped the package out of my mom's hand and started snapping at her, because the baby was a boy and so the ribbon needed to be blue. 

The couple buying this present? They did not care one bit about the color of the ribbon on the wrapping paper, they were totally fine with the pink ribbon. So they were just standing there, staring in shock, at this super awkward scene playing out right in front of them. 

Anyway, my mom's boss changed the ribbon and the purchase went through without futher incident, but my mom decided shortly after that that, yeah, she was done working at that place, 'cause what the actual fuck.

I just...truly do not get how supposed grown adults get so bent out of shape over this stuff. They're babies/children. They do not care. YOU (general "you") are the ones who care, and you care WAY too much and you need to get the hell over it. It's a freaking color, for cripes' sakes. 

Edited December 16 by Annber03

[Yeah No]

4 hours ago, annzeepark914 said:

Women's achievements have been hidden for decades, so no wonder a lot of voters just don't believe a woman could be a strong, successful commander-in-chief. Who knew that women enabled male astronauts to get up into outer space (& saved John Glenn on his firey return to Earth?) That certainly wasn't taught in high school back in my day. Who knew it was a group of CIA women who found Bin laden (when no one else could), enabling male Seals to go in and kill him? Is there a book describing female accomplishments like these that should be taught in schools today? Why is it always such a surprise?

My friend's aunt was a code breaker during WWII. More than 10,000 women were recruited from colleges to do this top secret work. It was so secret, their story was largely unknown until a book was published on it in 2017 entitled "Code Girls: The Untold Story of the American Women Code Breakers of World War II". This same friend's mother worked for the CIA when he was a kid, something so secret even he didn't find out about it until after her untimely death. The same author as above (Liz Mundy) also wrote a book entitled "The Sisterhood: The Secret History of Women at the CIA", published last year.

[Lantern7]

5 hours ago, Annber03 said:

And this is why I am so fucking tired of the "The left needs to watch their tone in how they talk to Trump supporters"/"The left just needs to try and reach across the aisle". PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT AND ARE STILL DOING THAT AND IT'S NOT GETTING US SQUAT. Michelle's been nothing but classy and hasn't once stooped to Trump's level and what's it getting her? More racist vitriol from the dumbasses out there. 

And yet we can't call MAGA suporters stupid 'cause that might hurt their precious feelings. Fuck that. When the right gets the same lecture to tone down their language and reach across tha aisle and try to understand those of us who aren't Trump supporters, then maybe I'll give a damn about playing nice. 

Until then, people can shut up with the "tone argument" BS. 

I consider myself to be slothful. I would be open to meeting a MAGA halfway. That way, I might have the energy to beat the snot out of them.

[lookeyloo]

6 hours ago, Yeah No said:

My friend's aunt was a code breaker during WWII. More than 10,000 women were recruited from colleges to do this top secret work. It was so secret, their story was largely unknown until a book was published on it in 2017 entitled "Code Girls: The Untold Story of the American Women Code Breakers of World War II". This same friend's mother worked for the CIA when he was a kid, something so secret even he didn't find out about it until after her untimely death. The same author as above (Liz Mundy) also wrote a book entitled "The Sisterhood: The Secret History of Women at the CIA", published last year.

The sisterhood book was wonderfully illuminating and head banging at the same time.  We read this in book club.  I'm going to get the other one about Code Girls.

Also, related to the thread, does anyone think trump sends his people around to threaten all those who have dropped out, recanted, resigned, etc.  What happened with Wray?  Was he afraid of something?  As in someone came to see him and said "we have evidence of you misusing a postage stamp back in 1993", etc. or maybe they know what is coming is a huge bank draining legal issue?

I kind of wonder and hope that all the people involved with the Jack Smith proceedings will help each other out legally, if that is a thing.

 

[bluegirl147]

9 hours ago, Annber03 said:

They'd probably have to deal with a bunch of idiots online whining about how the movie was "too woke" or some bullshit like that. 

Like they did with the female Ghostbusters. Or the female Dr. Who.

Hillary and Chelsea Clinton wrote the book Gutsy Women a few years ago.   It was a really good read and I'm sad to say there were many women in the book I had never heard of.

Here is a link to Wiki page and a list of the women featured.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Gutsy_Women

And on another note LIndsey Graham says Pete Hegseth will release his accuser from the NDA she signed.

If the woman does come forward how long before Trump supporters attack her? Online and in person.

[PRgal]

Boys face different types of disadvantages.  School wants kids to sit still at young ages and girls tend to be more ready for that than boys.  My son, for example, along with many of his (male) friends only recently started doing so (I’m proud of him - he actually sat through Home Alone yesterday!  I think a movie featuring a boy not much older than he is helped.  We tried Oliver, but that was a few years ago and can be scary (hey, orphans and mean adults can be.  Carol Burnett’s Miss Hannigan traumatized me and I’ve only seen that version of Annie ONCE)).  Some still have issues.  Boys and young men also statistically have higher suicide rates than girls/women.  And the current view of masculinity, that they are not encouraged to show feelings and and express the need for help because it’s “unmanly” doesn’t help much.  I’m seeing this in my son already and he’s only 6.  We’re trying our best, but society is cruel. 
 

 

[bluegirl147]

24 minutes ago, PRgal said:

And the current view of masculinity, that they are not encouraged to show feelings and and express the need for help because it’s “unmanly” doesn’t help much.

I can only speak for myself but I think that view of masculinity is unhealthy and in a lot of cases dangerous.  My son is 32 and when I was raising him I wanted him to show his feelings and be respectful of other people's feelings. I don't think that should be considered not masculine. I think that is being a decent human being.

Wannabe "macho man" Trump and his merry band of fake "real men" are overcompensating for their shortcomings. Whether that is intellectual or some other shortcoming they use the power they have to try to make everyone else feel small.  

[Dimity]

2 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

I don't think that should be considered not masculine. I think that is being a decent human being

I am always reminded of the Gloria Steinem quote: “Though we have the courage to raise our daughters more like our sons, we've rarely had the courage to raise our sons like our daughters.”

 

[bluegirl147]

Just now, Dimity said:

I am always reminded of the Gloria Steinem quote: “Though we have the courage to raise our daughters more like our sons, we've rarely had the courage to raise our sons like our daughters.”

 

It's true.  You can find toys that are stereotypical for boys that are aimed at girls. But do they always have to be pink?  But you don't see toys stereotypical for girls aimed at boys. When my son was young Power Rangers were big. He had their actions figures.  They were just boy dolls right?  But of course they weren't marketed that way. Same with clothes.  Boy clothes have dinosaurs and trucks on them. Girls clothes have unicorns and rainbows.