S07.E11: The Risk of Falling in Love

[HerkyJerky]

With the weddings around the corner, trust issues and cold feet cause turmoil. After an emotional dress fitting, a couple takes their love to new heights.

[HerkyJerky]

Nick dodged a bullet! Has anyone seen the new Ali Wong comedy special? She says that men in their 20s are looking for a 10 with no regards to their personality but in their 40s, they’re looking for a 6 that is kind. Hannah thought she was a 10, but she’s barely a six and she sure as hell is not kind.

Edited October 17 by HerkyJerky
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[jabRI]

I have no idea how Nick held on for so long.  I didn't see any affection or even friendship in that relationship.  She'd say terrible things then follow up with, 'but I know you will always love me' kind of comment.  

Not sure what to make of Alex and Tim, seems a LOT must have happened off camera for him to get to where he never wants to see her again.  Not saying its all her fault, just no idea what the issues were.  On the other hand, she seemed kinda checked out talking to his parents.

If I were Ashley, I'd be looking for more detailed answers from Tyler before moving forward, unless he's deliberately vague on camera to protect the kids, which I can appreciate.

Ramses and Marissa, not sure if they are going to make it to the I DOs.  He seems to have issues coming up regarding their relationship which seem show stoppers.

So I guess in the end we are rooting for the scientists? Works for me!

[DearEvette]

At this point, I think I pretty much dislike every single person on this season.

Form worst to least:

Hannah - I've disliked her almost from jump.  But damn, watching her gaslight Nick in real time is pretty gross.  She criticizes  him constantly, she put him on blast regarding his lack of sexual prowess on a fricking international streaming platform, she builds herself up in contrast, she talks to him like he is a child, and she will constantly tell him she loves him while saying it.  What a nasty spirit. 

 

 

BIG GAP

 

 

Tyler - Mainly from disappointment because he was part of my favorite couple this season.  But he is obviously lying.  When Ashley asked if the kids knew what he looked like and he said "no", it was an obvious lie.  His eyes skittered, he hesitated before saying it.  I hate liars.  How do you on the one hand say "I donated sperm to a friend of mine" and on the other say the kids don't know what you look like?  If the person is a friend, did the friendship abruptly end with the birth? Did you never see her again?  Ugh.

Alexandra - She gives nothing.  Also how do you allow tv cameras into your house looking like that.  It looked gross.

Tim - I only rate Tim lower than Alex because she just gives me 'can't be bothered with this' vibes and he seems more invested. But so much of the stuff that derailed them was never shown on camera so we have no real clue as to who is actually the problem here.  I would be open to giving her more grace and downgrading him if we ever got to know what went on to really create that break.

Ramses/Marissa - they are tied. They are kind of a mess all over.  The problem with them is that I have a hard time following their conversations.  They talk around things.  I feel as if they are censoring themselves a bit.  It also doesn't help that every other word they use us 'like'.  Man, when did that become such a crutch in conversational dialogue? And almost like with Tim and Alex, I feel like we are missing key parts of things that happened off screen.

Taylor - Took a tumble with her freak out over the text. Yeah he lied about the 'like' business, but if he really did just text back that he was engaged and wanted no more contact how is that a bad thing? Also he offered for her to see the texts.  I wish she had looked at them so we could know if he really said what he said.

Garret - Well he did lie.

Nick/Ashely - Tied as least dislikable. I just feel sorry for both of them.

Edited October 17 by DearEvette

[snarts]

6 hours ago, jabRI said:

If I were Ashley, I'd be looking for more detailed answers from Tyler before moving forward, unless he's deliberately vague on camera to protect the kids, which I can appreciate.

No idea what Tyler's end game is. He's trying to play it off like he was a sperm donor but the internets are full of pics showing him with the kids & his ex girlfriend. Heck, they even have an ongoing custody dispute. Going on a reality show & bald face lying? Bad move.

Officially hate Ramses. Notice that he did not dispute her fear that he'd cheat if she couldn't/didn't have sex with him. Please run, Marissa. Every damn thing is about him and his needs.

Finally, who the F does Hannan think she is?  Nick may be immature but he's seemingly a decent man and she just trashed him left & right. Bitch doesn't even have a job. Why is her dog his responsibility. So happy he's free, I'd love it if he got together with Katie.

Rooting for the nerds, I guess. I get that he lied but I'll never understand the need to cut people out of your life just because you're with someone. I understand not wanting your partner to actively flirt or sext but why couldn't he respond to his ex from six years ago?  Shouldn't you trust your partner? Her wedding dress was amazingly beautiful though...

[NeenerNeener]

19 hours ago, snarts said:

Rooting for the nerds, I guess. I get that he lied but I'll never understand the need to cut people out of your life just because you're with someone. I understand not wanting your partner to actively flirt or sext but why couldn't he respond to his ex from six years ago?

Yeah, that whole situation makes me wonder if the show contacted the ex and gave her Garrett's phone number and asked her to call him because they needed some drama for the show.

[ichbin]

On 10/17/2024 at 2:54 PM, DearEvette said:

Hannah - I've disliked her almost from jump.  But damn, watching her gaslight Nick in real time is pretty gross.  She criticizes  him constantly, she put him on blast regarding his lack of sexual prowess on a fricking international streaming platform, she builds herself up in contrast, she talks to him like he is a child, and she will constantly tell him she loves him while saying it.  What a nasty spirit. 

I hope that was it for them.  For Nick's sake more than anything else.  Nick, for whatever reason, seemed to be ready to accept her bullshit.  Good luck to her finding someone else who will. Something tells me they are far and few between.

[snarts]

2 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

Yeah, that whole situation makes me wonder if the show contacted the ex and gave her Garrett's phone number and asked her to call him because they needed some drama for the show.

Maybe, or they still have mutual friends that tipped her off that he applied for the show & found someone. 

Which is what makes Tyler's lies all the more incredulous. Does he think no one watches the show? Or that his ex wouldn't care that he pretends not to know their kids?

[jaybird2]

4 hours ago, ichbin said:

I hope that was it for them.  For Nick's sake more than anything else.  Nick, for whatever reason, seemed to be ready to accept her bullshit.  Good luck to her finding someone else who will. Something tells me they are far and few between.

It reminds me of an abusive relationship where the abuser is telling the abused "it's because i love you that I do this"!!   Hannah was definitely abusing Nick but saying I love you!!!  I wish he had walked out on her.  He didn't deserve what she was dishing out!

 

[Irlandesa]

I think Nick probably sucks and paired with any other person, I'd feel sorry for them.  His plan was probably just to wait it out and say no at the altar.  I don't think he's quite as incompetent as Hannah portrays him but that doesn't make him competent. 

But he looks like a saint compared to Hannah.  The frustrating thing about her is I think she thinks she's being some sort of "girl boss" but in the end, she's just being an abusive witch. 

She might have some valid issues with Nick but the way she shares them is the opposite of the mature person she thinks she is.  It's not mature to expect him to pull equal weight at home when he's the one with a job.  It's not mature to create a list of a partner's foibles.  It's not mature to get self-righteous about your partner's perceived flaws. 

On 10/17/2024 at 1:54 PM, DearEvette said:

I wish she had looked at them so we could know if he really said what he said.

Didn't she later say she looked at them and they weren't a big deal?  I can't remember.  Anyway, I kind of suspected this drama was played up for the cameras because they've been so conflict-free.  They were very quickly back to being all good at the dinner they had. 

I'm dying to know what Tyler is going to say at the reunion and if Ashley is a stand-by-your man type if they're still together or if she's smart and breaks up with him over this.

I can't stand Ramses.  He is all but saying  he'll either break up with Marissa or cheat on Marissa if he doesn't get sex as often as he wants it.  She's sick? On her period?  Or post-partum?  Tough.  He's got needs. 

[DearEvette]

19 hours ago, snarts said:

Which is what makes Tyler's lies all the more incredulous. Does he think no one watches the show? Or that his ex wouldn't care that he pretends not to know their kids?

 

13 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

I'm dying to know what Tyler is going to say at the reunion and if Ashley is a stand-by-your man type if they're still together or if she's smart and breaks up with him over this.

Yeah, Tyler's situation is so weird.  He had to know he couldn't maintain the lie if he was one of the ones who got engaged and followed.  Did he do it just for IG followers?

Also, I couldn't definitively find out when this season filmed.  So far the only thing I can see i "sometime in mid 2024' which would be really different from past seasons because there is usually about a year between the weddings and actual show airing.  This would be one of the shortest turn-arounds.

If he and Ashley got married, something would have popped off IRL before the show aired even with the short turn-around.

13 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

His plan was probably just to wait it out and say no at the altar.  I don't think he's quite as incompetent as Hannah portrays him but that doesn't make him competent. 

 

The only reason I could think that this man was sticking around to make it to the altar was if there was a good payout if they made it that far.  Otherwise why subject yourself to the constant belittling only to say 'no' then?  I guess I am built different, no way am I gonna stay around such negative energy coming from someone I met just a few weeks ago.

And yeah he is not as childish as she tries to give off. Yes, he still lives with his parents and can't cook. Ok.  But he did say he is trying to build his business.  He has a job and his own expenses that he handles.  It is smart fiscally to lower your overhead when you are trying to build capital.  If he had his own apartment with an empty fridge and ate out or ordered in all the time would that be less childish to her?

Hannah was not feeling Nick from the minute they met.  She had the same look on her face during the reveal that Jimmy did from last season when he met Chelsea. They both kinda stared into the camera during a hug with a look that clearly said "I have regrets."

And she wrote a friggin' manifesto of all the things he did that irritated her during the 'honeymoon'.  The best I can think is that she soldiered on because she thinks she is such a strong independent woman who manages her world, that she would mold him into what she wanted him to be. And she broke it off now because she did somehow got wind that he was gonna say 'No' at the altar and she refused to be the rejectee.

[Irlandesa]

4 minutes ago, DearEvette said:

Also, I couldn't definitively find out when this season filmed.  So far the only thing I can see i "sometime in mid 2024' which would be really different from past seasons because there is usually about a year between the weddings and actual show airing.  This would be one of the shortest turn-arounds.

It was last fall.  If you add Reddit to your search query, posts come up of seeing filming happening in Oct. 2023. 

6 minutes ago, DearEvette said:

The only reason I could think that this man was sticking around to make it to the altar was if there was a good payout if they made it that far.  Otherwise why subject yourself to the constant belittling only to say 'no' then? 

I do think they need permission to break up.  They have to agree to film when requested but they don't have to stay together in the interim.  But I do think people see a potential payout for being the victim in a relationship. 

[NeenerNeener]

2 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

But I do think people see a potential payout for being the victim in a relationship. 

Or a spot on Perfect Match and a cell phone commercial like Jessica from last season of LIB. She of the "epi-pen" comment.

For as nasty as Hannah was to Nick I think she was right to call it quits. They had almost nothing in common and I suspect Nick only proposed because he knew Leo was into her. There must have been some warning signs that the other pod women heeded Hannah didn't at the time.

So we're down to just Garret and Taylor (Sheldon & Amy), Marissa and Ramses and Ashley and Tyler. I'll be surprised if any couple other than Garret and Taylor actually go through with it. And I hope we'll eventually get to see how Leo and Brittany ended up. That's another relationship that probably didn't go the distance.

 

Edited October 19 by NeenerNeener

[jackjill89]

30 minutes ago, NeenerNeener said:

Or a spot on Perfect Match and a cell phone commercial like Jessica from last season of LIB. She of the "epi-pen" comment.

For as nasty as Hannah was to Nick I think she was right to call it quits. They had almost nothing in common and I suspect Nick only proposed because he knew Leo was into her. There must have been some warning signs that the other pod women heeded Hannah didn't at the time.

So we're down to just Garret and Taylor (Sheldon & Amy), Marissa and Ramses and Ashley and Tyler. I'll be surprised if any couple other than Garret and Taylor actually go through with it. And I hope we'll eventually get to see how Leo and Brittany ended up. That's another relationship that probably didn't go the distance.

 

At the close of the pod episodes, there was a screen regarding Leo and Brittany that said they went to Miami instead of Mexico and broke up after a week or something like that. 

[Marley GMA]

Hannah the only delusional person is you. You really think so high of yourself. All the constant bashing, but you are perfect. And stop saying you love Nick because you DONT!!! And Nick please stop apologizing to that idiot. You don’t know how lucky you are.

[Empress1]

On 10/17/2024 at 11:45 AM, HerkyJerky said:

Hannah thought she was a 10, but she’s barely a six and she sure as hell is not kind.

I did see Ali Wong’s special! Hannah is a five (five to me is average), and she’s a complete asshole. I did like that Nick called her out on her demeaning him. I wouldn’t have entertained that who does what, what are your responsibilities conversation with her school marm notebook.

On 10/19/2024 at 12:45 PM, DearEvette said:

Yeah, Tyler's situation is so weird.  He had to know he couldn't maintain the lie if he was one of the ones who got engaged and followed.  Did he do it just for IG followers?

Also as you say, he donated to a friend. Thrice! Over a period of time! He didn’t go to a sperm bank and do it anonymously, where he doesn’t even KNOW who got his sperm. Presumably he still sees this friend so even if he’s not Dad, the kids know him. This is something you tell out of the gate and I would have a lot of questions. That said, I don’t think Ashley is going anywhere.

I didn’t love Ashley or Marissa’s dresses. The second one Taylor tried on, the one she went with, was gorgeous. Simple and elegant.

[Alexander Pope]

Taylor's Mom was MVP of this episode for vetoing her first dress--which looked cheap and like she was wearing underwear.  The second dress seemed like it was from a different world than all the others I have seen on this show--modern, original, chic.

[topanga]

On 10/17/2024 at 2:54 PM, DearEvette said:

At this point, I think I pretty much dislike every single person on this season.

This is the first LIB season I don't think I'll finish. It's just not fun to watch. Like you, I don't like most of the cast. I'm not rooting for anyone. There's not even a Milton for me to like. And no none of the drama is even interesting, e.g. "Oh, so you're a recent cheater?"