S04.E01: Patience

[Neptune]

“Patience” – While Sam and the ghosts race to find him, Isaac comes face to face with Puritan ghost Patience (Mary Holland) for the first time since she was lost in the dirt. Oct 17

WRITTEN BY: Trey Kollmer

DIRECTED BY: Richie Keen

 

[Neptune]

[Annber03]

Woo, our first episode title/synopsis of the season! Ooh, I can't wait for this :D. 

[Neptune]

 

[Neptune]

[Annber03]

And we have sneak peeks for the episode!

 

 

 

[Skooma]

I have be very "patient" so bring on "Patience."  Three day countdown begun.

[Neptune]

https://www.avclub.com/ghosts-season-4-review

[ams1001]

On 10/11/2024 at 12:00 AM, Annber03 said:

And we have sneak peeks for the episode!

That was John Hodgman, right? (Judge John Hodgman?) 

[SoMuchTV]

1 hour ago, ams1001 said:

That was John Hodgman, right? (Judge John Hodgman?) 

“Shut your pie hole!”

Edited October 18 by SoMuchTV
That’s a catchphrase from the podcast in question. I’m not telling ams1001 to shut up.

[Annber03]

"Suck it, Thor, pass it on!" XD. And Pete's "Come with me if you want to live!" That human chain was fun. 

Ahhhhhh, yay, welcome back, show! I knew from pre-season spoilers and such that Isaac would be back fairly quickly, but I wasn't expecting it to be resolved just like that. But I do love the idea that their efforts to bring Patience into the house might wind up being more of a curse than a blessing - no good deed goes unpunished, and all that :D. 

I love Patience. She's creepy und unsettling and weird and yet I also like how she had a few sympathetic moments as well. She's going to be a fun means to shake things up at the house. And I love her rooming with Alberta, LOL. I hope we get more of them as roommates. 

As for Isaac...his whole thing about his regrets when talking to Ssasappis*, aw. But of course he reneges on his offer to do good where Patience is concerned...though in his case, considering she did kidnap him and trap him in the dirt, his hesitation is valid :p. Still, now he and his captor are sharing the same house, it'll be fun to see how they continue to interact. 

*I really liked that Sasappis wound up being the one trapped with Isaac. I'd love to see more of those two interacting in general, they have a fun dynamic. I had the same look on my face that the others had when Sasappis was yanked into the dirt as well. I hope we get some flashbacks to them and Thor being trapped in the dirt, it'd be fun to see glimpses of how their time in there went. 

As for Nigel, poor guy, moping and all depressed :(. I really hope we get to explore more of his side of things regarding the breakup, and his memories and recollections about his history with Isaac in general. I'd love to get more of his perspective on that stuff. 

So Trevor's having a few power issues, eh? Interesting. I'm wondering if Patience being awakened, so to speak, might wind up having that kind of effect on the ghosts' powers in general going forward? That could be interesting to play with. Whatever the reason, though, hopefully we'll see how Trevor deals with that. 

So happy to have this show back, I can't wait to see what they've got planned for this season. 

[phalange]

So glad this show is back! 

Patience does seem a bit much, especially considering she got kicked out of her town for being too extreme even by Puritan standards, but I felt really bad for her when she said the dirt was her only real friend. It’s interesting how she refers to herself in the third person like Thor does and also uses her name as an exclamation.

It was sweet of the ghosts to form a ghost chain to go back for her. Poor Alberta doesn’t seem thrilled with her new roomie, though. I’m guessing Patience will hang around and we’ll see her occasionally like Nigel or Nancy.

Favorite line was Thor saying, “I wouldn’t wish that on any non-Dane.” Oh and, “Suck it Thor! Pass it on.” 

 

[Skooma]

"Ghosts" is back.  Huzzah!

Loved the first episode.  Had a few out loud laughs in this one too.

With Hetty becoming more favorable to modern day ways, having an old timey female ghost that might not be will be a nice counterpoint to the 21st century again.

Nice to see 2 seconds of headless Crash to keep the show's canon intact.

[shura]

Okay, I’m with Isaac. Burgundy tiles? And Mark was pushing them saying that there is limited supply? Well, there’s a reason for that, and the reason is that not many people want them. ‘Cause they are burgundy.

7 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

I love Patience. She's creepy und unsettling and weird and yet I also like how she had a few sympathetic moments as well.

The woman is freaking gorgeous. And not just because of the bloodletting that killed her.

Did they say she was lost in the dirt 130 years ago? So, that would be right before Hetty passed away, right? Patience was banished in 1692, died around 1700 or so, probably, and then spent time with Thor and Sass before Isaac joined them?  Just establishing the timeline here.

3 minutes ago, Skooma said:

Nice to see 2 seconds of headless Crash to keep the show's canon intact.

They needed him for the joke that Hetty grabbed his hand because he can’t sneeze.

[Annber03]

23 minutes ago, shura said:

Did they say she was lost in the dirt 130 years ago? So, that would be right before Hetty passed away, right? Patience was banished in 1692, died around 1700 or so, probably, and then spent time with Thor and Sass before Isaac joined them?  Just establishing the timeline here.

They needed him for the joke that Hetty grabbed his hand because he can’t sneeze.

Yeah, they mentioned that in "Holes are Bad" - while the other three older ghosts and Patience were stuck in the dirt, Hetty was about to die and become a ghost herself. She basically was alone for about a year before the other ghosts, sans Patience, finally got out of the dirt. 

That line from Hetty made me laugh, too. I love that Isaac's sneezing causes so much trouble for so many around him, to the point where it's a running joke :p. 

[Chit Chat]

Argh!  Hulu went down a while ago, so I saw about 15 minutes of the show before it quit.  Here's hoping it'll air tomorrow!  Anyway, Patience is spooky!  She gives me the creeps!

[PaulE]

48 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

As for Nigel, poor guy, moping and all depressed :(. I really hope we get to explore more of his side of things regarding the breakup, and his memories and recollections about his history with Isaac in general. I'd love to get more of his perspective on that stuff. 

 

Me, too.  I do feel for the guy, but based on his melodramatic groans I suspect (hope) he's going to be a drama queen about being jilted.  Some of us have said before that we'd like to see Nigel's character filled out a little more, so I hope that happens now that he and Isaac are no longer a couple.  Have to admit, nice-guy Jay was uncharacteristically tactless talking about Nigel slinking back to the shed when he knew Nigel was right there listening.  Not kind.

49 minutes ago, phalange said:

I felt really bad for her when she said the dirt was her only real friend. It’s interesting how she refers to herself in the third person like Thor does and also uses her name as an exclamation.

Patience is one of those people who's her own worst enemy: she's lonely because she has no friends (and evidently didn't when she was alive), yet her personality drives everyone away and she can't realize that.  It was nice of her to let Isaac and Sass go; she's clearly got some humanity still alive inside her.

I did think it odd that she sometimes sounds like Thor--it doesn't quite make sense to me, but she's supposed to have a screw loose so maybe it's not supposed to.  If she's truly unhinged, I think it's because she's so repressed that she's turned herself into a roiling swamp of neuroses.

18 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

I love that Isaac's sneezing causes so much trouble for so many around him, to the point where it's a running joke :p. 

It's funny but also exasperating that Isaac doesn't ever try to fix his mistakes.  You'd think, when he sneezed and dropped Patience's hand, that he'd immediately have yelled out for the others to stop so that they could slowly, cautiously try to back up and maybe find her.  But no, he basically shrugged his shoulders for the next 130 years.  And when he accidentally shot Nigel, was his reaction a horrified "Oh my God, what have I done?"?  Nope:  he just muttered "Oh, boy," as if he'd accidentally cut a slice of cake that his wife intended to serve to her sewing circle the next day.  Even when he tossed Crash's head into the woods, he completely FORGOT about it even though he must have seen Crash's headless body stumbling about as a reminder.  It sounds as if he's finally beginning to feel some contrition but I wonder if it will stick.

[shapeshifter]

2 hours ago, PaulE said:

I did think it odd that she sometimes sounds like Thor--it doesn't quite make sense to me, but she's supposed to have a screw loose so maybe it's not supposed to.

I assumed Patience's stilted speech was due to not having heard another voice in 130 years. No?

Edited October 18 by shapeshifter

[Neptune]

14 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

I assumed Patience's stilted speech was due to having heard another voice in 130 years. No?

Elias was fine stuck alone with his corpse in the vault

Edited October 18 by Neptune

[Maelstrom]

Woohoo, Ghosts is finally back! 😄 A solid premiere, and I can’t wait to see where they go from here. I won’t lie, I shouted “oh shit!” when Patience grabbed Sass. Definitely going to have to rewatch this one to catch all the jokes.

[Annber03]

1 hour ago, PaulE said:

Me, too.  I do feel for the guy, but based on his melodramatic groans I suspect (hope) he's going to be a drama queen about being jilted.  Some of us have said before that we'd like to see Nigel's character filled out a little more, so I hope that happens now that he and Isaac are no longer a couple.  Have to admit, nice-guy Jay was uncharacteristically tactless talking about Nigel slinking back to the shed when he knew Nigel was right there listening.  Not kind.

I feel like that shows how much Jay's relationship with the ghosts has developed, to where he just doesn't try to tiptoe around things with them anymore. Plus, given all the stress they put him through last season, maybe he's just out of fucks to give :p. 

I love the idea of Nigel being super dramatic about the breakup. I like that he and Isaac are similar in that way (they're actually similar in a lot of ways, but they're so focused on their differences that they don't stop to realize that). I too hope we're going to get to explore him as a character more, both individually and in the context of his history wtih Isaac. We've seen so much of Isaac's side of their history together, and flashbacks from his perspective about them. I'd love to see Nigel's side of things more. 

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It's funny but also exasperating that Isaac doesn't ever try to fix his mistakes.  You'd think, when he sneezed and dropped Patience's hand, that he'd immediately have yelled out for the others to stop so that they could slowly, cautiously try to back up and maybe find her.  But no, he basically shrugged his shoulders for the next 130 years.  And when he accidentally shot Nigel, was his reaction a horrified "Oh my God, what have I done?"?  Nope:  he just muttered "Oh, boy," as if he'd accidentally cut a slice of cake that his wife intended to serve to her sewing circle the next day.  Even when he tossed Crash's head into the woods, he completely FORGOT about it even though he must have seen Crash's headless body stumbling about as a reminder.  It sounds as if he's finally beginning to feel some contrition but I wonder if it will stick.

LOL, yes, I love Isaac, but indeed, he's still got a LOT of lessons to learn, too. I know they've talked about this whole thing with Patience having an effect on him in terms of growing and learning from his mistakes and whatnot, so I'm guessing this'll be the start of that. It might not be a smooth trajectory, 'cause, well, Isaac :p. But I do think with time he is going to work through a few things. I think he's like Patience in that way, he too was very repressed in his time and he's only just recently been able to start really embracing and trying to be comfortable with his real self, and not the facade he's put up for so long. Nigel's comment about wondering if he ever knew the real Isaac seems to tie into that as well. So I feel like this season is going to involve him trying to figure himself out more and get more comfortable with who he is, and that might tie into him atoning (or trying to atone, anyway) for some of his past deeds. 

[Bastet]

This wasn't the firing on all cylinders comeback after an abbreviated season I was hoping for, but was still enjoyable.

Jay saying he doesn't love that Flower's memory is load bearing was my favorite line of the night, but there were other goodies:

- "Suck it, Thor.  Pass it on." repeated throughout
- Thor as possibly one of the first people to say "supposably" for "supposedly"
- Pete's "Come with me if you want to live"

I also liked Thor, knowing the pain of abandonment, saying he wouldn't wish it on any non-Dane, Isaac saying his vow to be better is only if they get out, and Pete throwing his ghost power in everyone's face.  And, best of all, Hetty saying she'll take Crash's hand in the ghost chain, since at least she knows he can't sneeze.

Solid return, and I hope it gets even better.

[kathyk2]

My show is back! I loved Nancy trying to avoid admitting what happened to Isaac. We learned Thor is claustrophobic. I'm glad Patience showed some vulnerability because if she was as hateful as in her flashback I would want her gone. What was on the desk I only saw a piece of pie.

[Annber03]

5 minutes ago, kathyk2 said:

loved Nancy trying to avoid admitting what happened to Isaac. 

I loved how Sasappis tricked her into spilling the beans. Everything with the basement ghosts in general was fun, between Nancy and Stuart's whole thing and the others marveling at the sexual tension between them XD. 

[kathyk2]

1 minute ago, Annber03 said:

I loved how Sasappis tricked her into spilling the beans. Everything with the basement ghosts in general was fun, between Nancy and Stuart's whole thing and the others marveling at the sexual tension between them XD. 

I don't think there is sexual tension between Nancy and Stuart I think he annoys her. I don't blame Nigel for being angry at Isaac for canceling the wedding. He could have shared these feeling before the wedding.

[Annber03]

1 minute ago, kathyk2 said:

I don't think there is sexual tension between Nancy and Stuart I think he annoys her. I don't blame Nigel for being angry at Isaac for canceling the wedding. He could have shared these feeling before the wedding.

I don't think so, either, but the idea the basement ghosts seem to think so amuses me :p. 

I absolutely sympathize with Nigel's feelings right now. I do think Isaac meant it when he said that it wasn't until Pete started talking that all his anxieties and concerns about the wedding finally hit him and all came together, so in that sense I can understand him not bringing up those concerns sooner. 

Still, yes, it absolutely would've been better for both of them if he had done so. But if Isaac is going to start atoning for his past wrongs, or trying to, anyway, that will clearly be one of the things he'll have to work to resolve. And I'm looking forward to seeing if and how he does. 

[Chit Chat]

5 hours ago, kathyk2 said:

What was on the desk I only saw a piece of pie.

On the desk: a snow globe with a little house in it; a coffee cup; a piece of pie; books with a snail on top of them;  a picture of Jay & Sam; some kind of fossil(?) covered by a glass case; and to the left was something I couldn't get a clear view of, like some bones maybe?   To the upper right on the shelves was a green pillow with a 3-leaf clover.  There was a playbill for The Hudson Valley Players.  Did I miss anything?  

I loved Pete's line of "come with me if you want to live," because the original Terminator movie is one of my favorites!  I love that he and Jay finish each other's sentences!   Great episode to usher in Season 4!   

[DrSpaceman73]

Love that the show is back.  

 

One thing I can't get over though fir this premise.  Ghost physics.  Can thry not go up or down in the ground just lateral?   If you're lost in the ground you can't just go up until you hit the air or above ground?   I guess the same problem as in the well. 

[iMonrey]

Not the strongest start to the new season but I'll take whatever they give me. They had some loose ends to tie up here before they could move on. I do think Patience will make an interesting addition to the story, but along with Carol we're starting to bloat the cast just a bit. I'm thinking Patience won't be around long-term, or else will be a recurring ghost like Crash or Stephanie.

My favorite bit was Thor being afraid Patience was going to grab him but not admitting to it. It was hilarious when Trevor scared him and he chopped off his hand. That's not the first time he's done that either.

Also got a kick out of Isaac trying to say something nice about Sam's sweater. 

[Chit Chat]

33 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

Ghost physics.  Can thry not go up or down in the ground just lateral?   

I liked Sass's & Isaac's explanation of this when they were trying to get Flower out of the well.  "For reasons we don't fully understand, ghosts can stand on a floor, but we go right through a wall.  The side of a well is effectively a wall, and as such, impossible to scale.  But if you remove floor from floor, does it stay floor?  Or does it take on the properties of wall?   We cursed the Gods that made floor, floor, and wall, wall."  Those were some of my favorite lines of this show!!  

[shura]

13 hours ago, PaulE said:

And when he accidentally shot Nigel, was his reaction a horrified "Oh my God, what have I done?"?  Nope:  he just muttered "Oh, boy," as if he'd accidentally cut a slice of cake that his wife intended to serve to her sewing circle the next day.

To be fair, Isaac did not yet know Nigel then.  Nigel was nice to look at, but he was, in fact, an enemy soldier.  Shooting him was something that was likely going to happen anyway.

12 hours ago, Annber03 said:

I feel like that shows how much Jay's relationship with the ghosts has developed, to where he just doesn't try to tiptoe around things with them anymore. Plus, given all the stress they put him through last season, maybe he's just out of fucks to give :p. 

If only he could transfer that attitude to taking a shower, right?

I laughed at how Thor decided, totally randomly, out of nowhere, to needle Trevor about his legs. And how it so got under Trevor's skin.  And this (to Alberta): "And your hat small and ugly like Trevor's legs. Two for one... boom!"

[possibilities]

So is grabbing other ghosts Patience's power? Why couldn't Isaac or Sass resist? I get they were both taken by surprise, but even so-- you'd think they could defend themselves once they got their breaings, and for sure you'd think Thor would be strong ebough to hold his own.

[Maelstrom]

10 hours ago, kathyk2 said:

What was on the desk I only saw a piece of pie.

4 hours ago, Chit Chat said:

On the desk: a snow globe with a little house in it; a coffee cup; a piece of pie; books with a snail on top of them;  a picture of Jay & Sam; some kind of fossil(?) covered by a glass case; and to the left was something I couldn't get a clear view of, like some bones maybe?   To the upper right on the shelves was a green pillow with a 3-leaf clover.  There was a playbill for The Hudson Valley Players.  Did I miss anything? 

IIRC the photo of Sam and Jay and the teacup are always there every season, I think. Chit Chat covered everything except for the painting on the wall behind the desk was a landscape, possibly of the Hudson Valley I'm guessing? (last season it was Hetty's "scandalous" portrait). There was a small white object to left of the stack of books but I couldn't make out what it was despite multiple freeze frames. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[Chit Chat]

27 minutes ago, Maelstrom said:

IIRC the photo of Sam and Jay and the teacup are always there every season, I think. 

I believe you're right!   I miss the dinosaur!  

35 minutes ago, Maelstrom said:

There was a small white object to left of the stack of books but I couldn't make out what it was despite multiple freeze frames. 🤷🏻‍♀️

It's really hard to tell what that it, and I've paused it and used a magnifying glass on it!!  It kind of looks like a small skull.  Maybe we'll figure it out as the episodes are aired, because usually things on the desk are a callback from the show.  I'll be watching for a reference to pie too!  

[tennisgurl]

Welcome back Ghosts, and just in time for spooky season! I missed this show so much, its great to have it back!

I knew that obviously Isaac would be back soon but I'm surprised that things played out the way that they did, and now its looks like Patience will be hanging around the house for the foreseeable future. Patience was apparently always a LOT to deal with, she was even too strict and grim for the Puritans to deal with, but I do feel bad for her, being lost in the dirt for that long is terrible for anyone, let alone someone who apparently never had a lot of people in their lives. Looks like Alberta has a new roommate...

Poor Nigel, its bad enough that he was left at the altar by the guy who he's had a a crush on for literally centuries, but he now has to continue living with him, he deserves all of those dramatic sighs. I really do hope that Isaac learns a lesson from all of this, I love Isaac and he does usually mean well but he really can be very selfish and doesn't think much about how his actions affect other people. 

Crash sighting!

So many fun running jokes, like Thor avoiding walls while denying being afraid of Patience and making fun of Trevor's legs, to Jay and Pete's pop culture bromance, to Hetty's commentary on the water bill situation, there were too many funny lines to even remember. 

[Chit Chat]

19 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

Patience was apparently always a LOT to deal with, she was even too strict and grim for the Puritans to deal with, but I do feel bad for her, being lost in the dirt for that long is terrible for anyone, let alone someone who apparently never had a lot of people in their lives.

I hope they'll explain why she remained in the dirt when she was able to come and go from the basement.  I'd like to know how long she's been able to do that.  She probably was scared and felt more comfortable being by herself, especially since she didn't have any friends, and looked surprised that anyone would like her.  Was there an explanation that I missed?

[shura]

36 minutes ago, Chit Chat said:

I hope they'll explain why she remained in the dirt when she was able to come and go from the basement.  I'd like to know how long she's been able to do that.  She probably was scared and felt more comfortable being by herself, especially since she didn't have any friends, and looked surprised that anyone would like her.  Was there an explanation that I missed?

They said she was attracted by the vibrations from the DJ’s sound equipment, that’s what helped her find the basement.  So this may have been the first time she was able to do it.

[Chit Chat]

6 minutes ago, shura said:

They said she was attracted by the vibrations from the DJ’s sound equipment, that’s what helped her find the basement.  So this may have been the first time she was able to do it.

Duh to me!  I was thinking that she spoke to the basement ghosts before then, but the explanation of her feeling the vibrations makes sense.  I need to rewatch the entire episode.  While watching last night, Hulu crashed nationwide, so I got to watch a little of it, and then saw the rest of it this morning.  I think there's a few things I missed!  

[Skooma]

4 hours ago, possibilities said:

So is grabbing other ghosts Patience's power? Why couldn't Isaac or Sass resist? I get they were both taken by surprise, but even so-- you'd think they could defend themselves once they got their breaings, and for sure you'd think Thor would be strong ebough to hold his own.

Apparently she had moved them away (transported?) from the basement wall and back to some sort of small underground cave-like open area.  They didn't know how to get back to the basement wall on their own I guess without getting into the dirt and lost again.

That's a guess because that whole part was a little unclear and Flower's false memory about some cave that didn't exist under a willow tree got the whole thing even more mixed up.

All I know is that Patience had them in a small cleared area underground because if they were in the dirt they would have been, you know, in the dirt solid and unable to see anything.

[PaulE]

15 hours ago, Annber03 said:

15 hours ago, kathyk2 said:

I don't blame Nigel for being angry at Isaac for canceling the wedding. He could have shared these feeling before the wedding.

I absolutely sympathize with Nigel's feelings right now. I do think Isaac meant it when he said that it wasn't until Pete started talking that all his anxieties and concerns about the wedding finally hit him and all came together, so in that sense I can understand him not bringing up those concerns sooner. 

Oh, absolutely.  Drama queen or not, Nigel's heart was broken, plus he was humiliated by being the one who was jilted, plus he can't escape from where it all happened and from those who witnessed it (I think that would be the worst aspect if it happened to me--I'd just want to get away from everyone).  I also agree that it took that moment of actually having to say his vows that forced Isaac to realize he just couldn't do it.

18 hours ago, Annber03 said:

I feel like that shows how much Jay's relationship with the ghosts has developed, to where he just doesn't try to tiptoe around things with them anymore. Plus, given all the stress they put him through last season, maybe he's just out of fucks to give :p. 

He did seem irritable throughout the entire episode so, yes, maybe he's had it with bending over backwards for beings he can neither see nor hear (Pete always excepted of course), especially since they always seem to come up a bit short in the gratitude department.  He even had to do all the digging when they were looking for Isaac and Sass because Sam conveniently "lost" the other shovel.

[Katy M]

I didn't really enjoy last night's episode.  Patience annoys me and not looking foward to her as a new character. And as others said, why did she stay in the dirt when she apparently could come and go into the basement at will.  And why does she refer to herself in the third person?  To the best of my  knowledge that's not a Puritan characteristic.

But, as always, love Pete and Jay's dynamic.

[Bastet]

1 minute ago, Katy M said:

And as others said, why did she stay in the dirt when she apparently could come and go into the basement at will.

She'd never been to the basement before, right?  It was the vibrations from the DJ's equipment that drew her there, so I think it was the first time. 

[Chit Chat]

29 minutes ago, Bastet said:

She'd never been to the basement before, right? 

The reason I thought she might've been in the basement a few times is because she set it up with the basement ghosts to lure Isaac down there.  Maybe she just recently figured it out and she probably scared the other ghosts into helping her by yelling "Patience" in that scary tone!

[Annber03]

39 minutes ago, PaulE said:

Oh, absolutely.  Drama queen or not, Nigel's heart was broken, plus he was humiliated by being the one who was jilted, plus he can't escape from where it all happened and from those who witnessed it (I think that would be the worst aspect if it happened to me--I'd just want to get away from everyone).  I also agree that it took that moment of actually having to say his vows that forced Isaac to realize he just couldn't do it.

I genuinely wonder how Nigel's going to deal with having to be around Isaac, or trying to avoid him, if he does. The shed's getting crowded, what with Carol moving in with Baxter, and it's also occupied by his other ex, Jenkins, as well. So whether he stays in the house or goes back to the shed, he's going to be surrounded by people and will have to deal with sharing a space with an ex. I'd love to see him bond with one or more of the other ghosts, and see them trying, in their own awkward way :p, to help him. Plus, it'd just be fun to see him connect to the other ghosts in general. 

Isaac's line about lamenting he was a bad husband in life caught me this episode, too, 'cause even with the reassurance that Beatrice did care about him, he's clearly still feeling some guilt over not being the husband he thought he should've been for her, or that she deserved. So I'm curious if and how they'll touch on that as well. Maybe some more flashbacks to their marriage/wedding day or something? 

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He did seem irritable throughout the entire episode so, yes, maybe he's had it with bending over backwards for beings he can neither see nor hear (Pete always excepted of course), especially since they always seem to come up a bit short in the gratitude department.  He even had to do all the digging when they were looking for Isaac and Sass because Sam conveniently "lost" the other shovel.

 

LOL, yes, exactly. And given certain spoilers regarding him this season, that has me very curious how this frustration and constant bending over backwards for the ghosts will factor into that. 

I liked that Pete accompanied Mark to the store this episode. Maybe he's gotten over his jealousy about his friendship with Jay? Or he can handle it better now he gets to leave the property, anyway :p?

43 minutes ago, Katy M said:

And why does she refer to herself in the third person?  To the best of my  knowledge that's not a Puritan characteristic.

She was in the dirt for a long time without anyone else to talk to or interact with, so I think that explains that to some degree. 

[shapeshifter]

6 hours ago, Maelstrom said:

There was a small white object to left of the stack of books but I couldn't make out what it was despite multiple freeze frames. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I looked at it closely on my laptop. It appears to be vampire teeth.
Similar to these:

[Bastet]

27 minutes ago, Chit Chat said:

The reason I thought she might've been in the basement a few times is because she set it up with the basement ghosts to lure Isaac down there. 

I just double-checked the season three finale, and when she comes through the wall the basement ghosts trip out that "some lady" just came through the wall and Nancy straight up asks her "Who the hell are you?"  So she'd never been there before.

[Chit Chat]

24 minutes ago, Bastet said:

So she'd never been there before.

Thanks for checking it!  It's the little details that I tend to forget!  ☺️

[chaifan]

1 hour ago, Katy M said:

Patience annoys me and not looking foward to her as a new character.

Oh, thank you!  I was busy setting my table for one while reading through all the comments.  I am not a fan of Patience.  I felt she brought nothing and simply sucked time away from the other ghosts.  I'm fine with the occasional guest ghost (car ghost, baseball player ghost), but they brought on Carol and then forget about her most of the time (which is fine because she also annoys me) and now we have a new ghost to deal with.  I was really hoping she'd get sucked off once everyone formed the human chain to bring her back.  Nope. 

I have trust in the writers, so I am hopeful they will turn this around somehow. 

 

[Chit Chat]

I like the story of Patience and how Isaac lost her, but I'd prefer that she get sucked off within a couple of episodes.  I don't want the main cast to get overshadowed by too many additions.  I doubt that she'll be there for long though.  Patience deserves to move onto a happier place after wandering in the dirt for so long!

It's fun seeing Pete be able to leave the property, but his constant reminders about it to his friends is already wearing thin with them.  That storyline will be interesting (to me, at least!) 

[Annber03]

This show seems hesitant to let ghosts be sucked off - see how last season's storyline in that regard played out. So I don't know that they'll be doing that with Patience here, the creators and cast seem pretty happy to have her on the show. 

But I do think she'll be one of those characters who, after her initial little storyline here, will just pop in every so often if and when need be.