S18.E5: Dinner Party Disaster

[Palimelon]

It doesn't have to be an either/or situation.

Shannon could do a better job with her drinking and whatever treatment she is getting for it, and accepting that her problem with alcohol might be more than just getting a DUI.

Tamra is an ass for the way she went after Shannon, especially her delivery. And it is understandable if people see Tamra does not have the noblest intentions when it comes to Shannon.

Both can be true at the same time.

[ladle1]

Emily needing to wrap her husband’s anniversary gift in wrapping paper with little construction vehicles on it is maybe the realest thing I’ve ever seen on this show. 

[ladle1]

The editors dredging up the "family van" footage was like chicken soup for my weary soul. 

But okay... I'm about to say something sort of defensive of Vicki for a second... hold on *contains vomit in mouth* ... True, Vicki has not always been Little Miss Manners. That said, I can sort of see what she means, in that the show has gotten a lot more toxic than it was when she was on, and as much as I loathe Vicki she was never the kind of person to try to orchestrate "takedowns" of other cast members. Her outbursts were usually in response to slights, real or perceived, to herself. She is awful in her own right, for so many reasons, but not awful in the sense of "let's lead the charge against one other cast member." 

What Tamra and Alexis are doing to Shannon is on a new level of aggressively toxic.

[MaggieG]

Why is Alexis acting like she's been HBIC on this show for years, telling Vicki welcome to my world and demanding explanations from Katie as to why she wasn't invited to golf? Bitch, you just got back on this show and you only got invited back because you're dating John Janssen! She's so cringe. 

Tamra is still a vile human. Gina totally set up Katie. 

[ladle1]

On 8/8/2024 at 10:43 PM, ZettaK said:

Shannon said at the table (at Gina's party) that she couldn't be drinking on her program, but she told her father earlier on the show she only has one or two drinks (!) now, and she ordered a drink at the party.

I thought Shannon was saying that she couldn't drink while she was "in her program" -- i.e. whatever rehab or therapeutic program that she was completing post-arrest. Because it was in response to Tamra saying that Shannon was calling her drunk around that time.

I've never seen Shannon claim that she doesn't drink at all now. 

[Palimelon]

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Why is Alexis acting like she's been HBIC on this show for years, telling Vicki welcome to my world and demanding explanations from Katie as to why she wasn't invited to golf? Bitch, you just got back on this show and you only got invited back because you're dating John Janssen! She's so cringe.

Plus, she is back on as a Friend of, not even a full time HW.

[ladle1]

On 8/8/2024 at 11:16 PM, tranquilidade said:

Screaming at a person who might have a real addiction would just cause a relapse.  Is that what Tamra wants?  

I have to imagine that she does. 

Gina bugs me, and her TH outfit makes her look like an insect with a segmented abdomen... That said, I'm not sure what she's supposed to have done wrong in the Katie/Heather scenario? By all accounts, Katie mentioned the paparazzi thing, Gina said "Don't bring that up [on camera]," Katie proceeded to ignore that advice and bring it up on camera, Gina said "I told you not to bring that up! Now you're going to need to tell Heather or I will," and then Gina... somehow gets blamed for "blindly supporting Heather" and "not having Katie's back." Huh? If anything, I would be annoyed if I were Heather and my so-called friend didn't give me a heads up that the new person was potentially bringing this up on camera. 

And in the next episode, Gina is somehow being accused of "setting Katie up." Huh? Like, WTF is Katie even complaining about?? Unless there's a lot of context missing here, I'm so confused!

[ladle1]

19 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I think Tamra is just dumbfounded that the ladies are just pretending this is normal… you literally can’t make it through a diversion program and NOT drink? It’s what 30 days? Like something isn’t clicking and if it’s frustrating me as a viewer just watching I’m like how are these people WITH her acting like oh that’s fine let’s do drinks .. 

 

like what if god forbid sometime in the future she hurts someone from being drunk again and you were on camera with her encouraging her to drink AFTER knowing she just had an accident involving alcohol .. I wouldn’t be able to live with myself 

I know from your other posts that you hate Tamra as much as I do, but I'm gonna say, I think your interpretation here is too charitable toward Tamra! Like, yeah, she may be dumbfounded that people are just going along with Shannon's problematic behavior. And, sure, I believe that Shannon could have been a needy friend who took more than she gave to Tamra (though it's worth noting that we only have Tamra's word for that). 

But I think the reason Tamra's going after Shannon is neither of these, really. Tamra straight up has found a weakness in a castmate and is going to exploit it for camera time. Because that's what she does.

Also, I don't think the other women are encouraging Shannon to drink? (Other than Vicki, who doesn't count.) At the beginning of the season, Emily and Gina were clearly upset about Shannon's DUI, they even brought up Shannon potentially not drinking anymore in that football practice scene. They did call her out. No, they don't bring it up anew each time she has a drink in their presence (which, I agree is bonkers, btw! It's wild that she can't abstain just for filming), but I don't think that's their obligation.

I got the sense that Gina, Emily, and maybe Heather were headed into the season guns blazing against Shannon and then realized what a mess Shannon is and either felt too bad or felt the optics were too bad to continue attacking her. And they specifically did not include her in bar night. Anyway, I don't see them as encouraging her to drink. 

16 hours ago, Pi237 said:

Shannon was trying to explain that she feels shame and embarrassment everyday for what she did, and Tamra wouldn’t let her finish a sentence without shouting ‘while you’re drinking!’ ‘While you’re drunk! She wants Shannon to feel like the lowest piece of crap on the sidewalk.  She wants her to cry and grovel and be completely humiliated. The DUI was just the excuse Tamra’s using to accomplish that goal.  

100%

[Baltimore Betty]

2 hours ago, MaggieG said:

Gina totally set up Katie. 

Do we think Gina and the rest of them just want to take Heather down a notch or five so they are letting Katie take a swing at her to see how she does?

I am with Sutton when she says you don't want to go up against Heather (Just ask Shannon), I would be hiding under a table too.

Just once in my life I want to start a sentence with "If you ever do that again I will bring you and your family down so fast...etc..." and look convincing while doing it, I am alone in that wish?

[ladle1]

3 hours ago, Palimelon said:

Plus, she is back on as a Friend of, not even a full time HW.

I do wonder if Alexis thought she was coming back as a full? Don’t they sometimes not make those decisions until after the season is filmed? It was weird that she said she was “the only one” not invited to the golf outing, since it’s not like friends-of are invited to everything. But, Alexis is deluded in other ways so who knows?

[ladle1]

1 hour ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Do we think Gina and the rest of them just want to take Heather down a notch or five so they are letting Katie take a swing at her to see how she does?

I think Tamra and Emily want to take Heather down a notch, they’re spreading the story that Katie has told, and I certainly think they’re entertained by the whole thing but … I don’t see any evidence that they put her up to it or anything? And Katie acknowledges that Gina specifically said “Don’t do this.” 

[Sweet-tea]

On 8/9/2024 at 8:18 PM, Pi237 said:

Shannon shouldn’t be drinking for a long while. I don’t think she has on the show yet, has she? Maybe that’s why the other women aren’t yelling at her. Or maybe they’re giving her some grace to figure her own stuff out. 

Shannon ordered a drink while they were at the restaurant. I think it was a Belvedere and soda. That's what set Tamra off. 

Edited August 11 by Sweet-tea

[Ms.Lulu]

I'm not surprised Alexis is bringing the drama, I think she does so because she may need the Real Housewives income.

• Her kids are all aging out of child support soon. One has graduated high school and the twins are driving, so over 16.
  • If the numbers on her divorce settlement are correct that means over the next 2 years she will lose $6K a month in child support.
• Online I read that in the 2018 divorce settlement Alexis received a house, $250K in cash and Jim is paying her $10K a month in spousal support (plus paying for insurance for the kids). Assuming her alimony is taxable (since 2018), if you take out the income taxes, roughly $2.5K/month and her property taxes--modestly $1.2K/month, that $10K or $120K/year drops to $75K/year.

I'd guess Alexis is looking pretty hard for other sources of support, like the show, or a new husband. 

But much like with Shannon, John is maintaining a separate residence, so Alexis should be prepared that he may walk away, even if they are looking at engagement rings.

I haven't seen any of this season, but I expect that Alexis can't be a background player. She has to get the screen time.

Edited August 11 by Ms.Lulu

[Glama]

On 8/9/2024 at 6:50 AM, EtheltoTillie said:

I don’t think we’d ever seen Shannon’s dad before. You can see where she gets the drinking problem. 

Isn't he the one Kelly called Big Dick Daddy (to his face and infront of everyone, at a party)?

[Baltimore Betty]

1 hour ago, Ms.Lulu said:

I'd guess Alexis is looking pretty hard for other sources of support, like the show, or a new husband. 

But much like with Shannon, John is maintaining a separate residence, so Alexis should be prepared that he may walk away, even if they are looking at engagement rings.

Wallet.

If Alexis thinks she is getting another ring from John she is nuts...he gave her that promise ring, a promise it is the only ring she will get.

 

[Palimelon]

Seems she didn't attend Laurie's seminar on how to land a wallet, especially the part where it literally does not pay to end up with a co-worker's sloppy seconds.

[JAYJAY1979]

2 hours ago, Palimelon said:

Seems she didn't attend Laurie's seminar on how to land a wallet, especially the part where it literally does not pay to end up with a co-worker's sloppy seconds.

Remember the wallet whisperer did briefly hook up with Slade.. but she wisely realized that he was fools gold and set her sights on the real deal. 

 Tamra is an unhappy person and always has an extreme hatred for someone.  For awhile it was Gretchen.. now it's Shannon.   Unlike Gretchen, Shannon seems to be supported by the audience... and that drives Tamra crazy.

[JMO]

Yes, Shannon is an alcoholic and no, none of these women are really her friends. 

I get that none of them are really friends at all, except for Gina and Emily, so it's just the nature of the show.  But I would find it so much more interesting (and I would mute it so much less often) if at least one of them was both wise and sober enough herself to have a real heart-to-heart with Shannon.  Gina is probably best positioned, but I don't think she and Shannon have the right relationship.  Still, she could try.  

Instead we get accusatory screaming intended to ignite a shouting match, and all of it is just because this is how production (Andy) sees women--- as caricatures to be manipulated. 

I got caught up with the original cast of RHOC, which is why I still watch despite the turnover.  But the franchise's treatment of women is why I have never watched a single episode of the others, and never will. 

(Unless Heather moves to BH, then I might have to check it out once or twice. 😉)

[Palimelon]

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Remember the wallet whisperer did briefly hook up with Slade.. but she wisely realized that he was fools gold and set her sights on the real deal. 

She learned from experience.

[Pi237]

1 hour ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

Remember the wallet whisperer did briefly hook up with Slade.. but she wisely realized that he was fools gold 

Hilarious! I don’t know why Gretchen stayed with Slade. She seemed to be constantly annoyed by him. Must be love! 

[Snarky McSnarky]

On 8/9/2024 at 8:55 AM, 65mickey said:

I don't know if the Real for Real meal line is still in business but they have not been sold on QVC in years.. They were just  expensive TV dinners. She then pivoted to lemon water. But it's funny she hasn't mentioned her lemon business in quite sometime. I have a feeling that she blew through a good deal of money on these business ventures. 

https://realforreal.com/

Still in business.  Archie is head of security.

 

Edited August 12 by Snarky McSnarky

[qtpye]

On 8/8/2024 at 10:08 PM, tranquilidade said:

Tamra needs to shut up. She is unbearable.  What a screeching, raging  maniac!  Alexis is just as bad.  

That's what happens when your livelihood is based on being Andy's sock puppet/assclown.

On 8/8/2024 at 9:27 PM, ZettaK said:

Terry Dubrow: I love the paparazzi.

Well, we know he does. And being a celebrity. He forced Heather to join the show. She probably didn't think it was a good idea, but it proved to be a brilliant decision for both. He was offered his own tv show (Botched), she had a few acting offers, as well, they advertised their houses, they started businesses (cosmetics, clothing, and so much more). 

If I was brilliant enough to be a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon, I would do everything in my power to protect my family from blood-sucking paparazzi.

Fun fact, I have heard that celebrities putting themselves on social media has greatly diminished the financial prospects of being paparazzi.

I think there was a video of Terry and Heather exiting a club several times in a desperate attempt to make the paparazzi follow them. It could have been another fame whore couple. I think after several tries one of the photographers finally yelled out "Heather" but might have called her the wrong last name.

 

 

Edited August 12 by qtpye

[Cosmocrush]

15 minutes ago, qtpye said:

If I was brilliant enough to be a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon, I would do everything in my power to protect my family from blood-sucking paparazzi

But what if you were an average Orange County plastic surgeon with aspirations to be famous and move to Beverly Hills? 

[qtpye]

6 minutes ago, Cosmocrush said:

But what if you were an average Orange County plastic surgeon with aspirations to be famous and move to Beverly Hills? 

Lol, I guess Terry is doing his version of "leveling up".

I honestly think I would rather live in Newport Beach than Beverly Hills but to each his own.

[Palimelon]

Maybe Terry needs to dump Heather and marry an heiress? It worked(ish) for Paul Nassif...

[AnnMarie17]

I know there's a lot to talk about with Shannon's drinking, Katie's messy entry, Emily's fakety-fake "new" ring, Tamra's record as the World's Biggest Asshole 10+ years running, and Gina's talking head "looks" that BEG for ridicule....BUT....in spite of all of that, I ask you:  What *the fuck* has happened to Terry DeBrow's FACE?!?!?!  I'm serious!  The man is in need of his own consultation on Botched.  His face is RUINED!  😲

[Cosmocrush]

22 minutes ago, AnnMarie17 said:

I know there's a lot to talk about with Shannon's drinking, Katie's messy entry, Emily's fakety-fake "new" ring, Tamra's record as the World's Biggest Asshole 10+ years running, and Gina's talking head "looks" that BEG for ridicule....BUT....in spite of all of that, I ask you:  What *the fuck* has happened to Terry DeBrow's FACE?!?!?!  I'm serious!  The man is in need of his own consultation on Botched.  His face is RUINED!  😲

yep, that face is a mess. I would love to know who did it, or more specifically, if Paul Nassif did it. 

[Salacious Kitty]

I would hope that Paul's work is far better than what Miss Terry has had done. 

[ZettaK]

14 hours ago, qtpye said:

Lol, I guess Terry is doing his version of "leveling up".

I honestly think I would rather live in Newport Beach than Beverly Hills but to each his own.

I watched Botched a few times. Paul Nassef and Terry have an office in Beverly Hills (it's really Paul's office if one checks online) where they both have consultations and perform surgeries. Terry's office is in Newport Beach, and that's his main location.

14 hours ago, qtpye said:

I think there was a video of Terry and Heather exiting a club several times in a desperate attempt to make the paparazzi follow them. It could have been another fame whore couple. I think after several tries one of the photographers finally yelled out "Heather" but might have called her the wrong last name.

They thought she was Heather McDonald!

Edited August 13 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

On 8/10/2024 at 4:42 PM, ladle1 said:

I do wonder if Alexis thought she was coming back as a full? Don’t they sometimes not make those decisions until after the season is filmed? It was weird that she said she was “the only one” not invited to the golf outing, since it’s not like friends-of are invited to everything. But, Alexis is deluded in other ways so who knows?

Yes, Bravo makes decisions about who is going to be a HW, or a Friend of after the season ends, and even during editing. Especially about some cast members. It has to do with how much drama they created, and more. I was reading until just before the season started airing that Alexis would be a HW. 

Edited August 13 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

On 8/10/2024 at 1:01 PM, ladle1 said:

I thought Shannon was saying that she couldn't drink while she was "in her program" -- i.e. whatever rehab or therapeutic program that she was completing post-arrest. Because it was in response to Tamra saying that Shannon was calling her drunk around that time.

I've never seen Shannon claim that she doesn't drink at all now. 

Her First Offender Alcohol program was supposed to last 9 months. The scene on the show was filmed in January, or February- her plea deal took place in November. She was also dedicated to her sobriety according to her friends and what they said in interviews (like that she was drinking only water in outings) immediately after her DUI, but she was drinking vodka on the show, and told her father she has one or two drinks only.

It is not relevant to this, but she agreed to do only 40 hours of community service (reports said she tried to avoid doing any), which she finished in 4 days. And to a $390 fine, and 3 years of probation. This is called having a good (and expensive) attorney.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/shannon-beador-puts-dui-drama-144504380.html

Edited August 13 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

On 8/10/2024 at 12:54 PM, ladle1 said:

The editors dredging up the "family van" footage was like chicken soup for my weary soul. 

But okay... I'm about to say something sort of defensive of Vicki for a second... hold on *contains vomit in mouth* ... True, Vicki has not always been Little Miss Manners. That said, I can sort of see what she means, in that the show has gotten a lot more toxic than it was when she was on, and as much as I loathe Vicki she was never the kind of person to try to orchestrate "takedowns" of other cast members. Her outbursts were usually in response to slights, real or perceived, to herself. She is awful in her own right, for so many reasons, but not awful in the sense of "let's lead the charge against one other cast member." 

What Tamra and Alexis are doing to Shannon is on a new level of aggressively toxic.

Vicki orchestrated Gretchen's Naked Wasted takedown with Tamra. They were whispering to each other about what to do when they were at the dinner table. She also orchestrated Shannon's takedown with the help of Billy and his girlfriend at Tamra’s baptism by exposing her husband's affair. She spread rumors (even on the gossip media) about Eddie being gay at her party with the help of Gretchen and Alexis, and a gay former friend of Tamra’s, and about Terry supposedly killing patients, just because those three accused Brooks of faking having cancer. 

And I'm sure there is more.

On 8/9/2024 at 9:18 PM, Pi237 said:

I don’t think any of Tamra’s behavior stems from caring about Shannon, or her possibly hurting someone else or even frustration with her drunken calls etc because she’s had Years to block her number. She’s had years to set boundaries or unfriend her. I think Tamra’s just angry Shannon messed up her money with the Amigas tour. Yes, she could’ve still done it and chose to drop out, but I don’t think it was concern for anything more than knowing how bad it would come across after the arrest.  if she came from a caring place, she’d take her aside and talk to her look a human being. Shannon was trying to explain that she feels shame and embarrassment everyday for what she did, and Tamra wouldn’t let her finish a sentence without shouting ‘while you’re drinking!’ ‘While you’re drunk! She wants Shannon to feel like the lowest piece of crap on the sidewalk.  She wants her to cry and grovel and be completely humiliated. The DUI was just the excuse Tamra’s using to accomplish that goal.  
 

If the anger had come from anyone of the other women, I’d feel differently. But Tamra has shown her true colors too often for me to feel she can genuinely care about anyone but herself.

Shannon shouldn’t be drinking for a long while. I don’t think she has on the show yet, has she? Maybe that’s why the other women aren’t yelling at her. Or maybe they’re giving her some grace to figure her own stuff out. 

Shannon ordered vodka at Gina's party.

Edited August 13 by ZettaK

[Pi237]

I cant imagine how difficult it would be to stay sober as an alcoholic on these shows. It’s constant booze being presented to you and everyone around you drinking. Yes, I know you have to learn to live in a world with alcohol, but the Housewives are encouraged to be obnoxious and outrageous to keep their job. And you’re supposed to change People, Places & Things in recovery which is impossible when your livelihood depends on being surrounded by drunks and booze.  I’ve noticed Andy didn’t do his Shotski in the last few aftershow episodes, but I doubt they’ll curb the drinking. It’s reality tv’s bread and butter.

Edited August 13 by Pi237

[Starlight925]

Excessive alcohol consumption is but one component of Reality TV.

The pressure to be stick-thin is another.

Drink constantly, eat nothing = tons of fun for reality TV, but horrible for actual reality.

Some reality show contestants have accused producers of having almost nothing available to consume except alcohol.  Lite bites at best.

Edited August 13 by Starlight925

[qtpye]

22 hours ago, AnnMarie17 said:

What *the fuck* has happened to Terry DeBrow's FACE?!?!?!  I'm serious!  The man is in need of his own consultation on Botched.  His face is RUINED! 

If I was a rich Beverly Hills woman who wanted plastic surgery, I would run out of the office as soon as I saw that face.

I could not trust anyone who thought THAT looks good. 

[sugarbaker design]

13 hours ago, ZettaK said:

It is not relevant to this, but she agreed to do only 40 hours of community service (reports said she tried to avoid doing any), which she finished in 4 days. And to a $390 fine, and 3 years of probation. This is called having a good (and expensive) attorney.

No suspension of license?

5 hours ago, Pi237 said:

I’ve noticed Andy didn’t do his Shotski in the last few aftershow episodes, but I doubt they’ll curb the drinking. It’s reality tv’s bread and butter.

They do shotski every Wednesday on WWHL.

[Cosmocrush]

11 hours ago, Starlight925 said:

Some reality show contestants have accused producers of having almost nothing available to consume except alcohol.  Lite bites at best.

Maybe that's another reason Emily kept a turkey sub in her bag.  😉

[RoseAllDay]

On 8/9/2024 at 6:01 PM, Keywestclubkid said:

Just throwing it out there 

I mean you guys she literally is STIL drinking while IN a diversion program AFTER driving drunk INTO a house and driving away .. that’s not normal.. Is Tamra an ass for being loud about it yes but JESUS someone needs to say it

Like the old saying — you can lead a horse to water. You can lead an alcoholic to rehab/diversion/retreat but you can’t make them change. Most likely, she’ll be in trouble again at some point, this time probably worse.

[RoseAllDay]

On 8/9/2024 at 6:29 PM, RealHousewife said:

Good point. I also wonder if production ever tries to stop these women from driving drunk and gets them rides home. 

Way back in the day, a cast member on The Real World did just that, but the show got her help.

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1999/07/04/producer-intervenes-in-real-world/

Would production do this for any of its  “Bravolebrities”? I sincerely doubt it. Look at all the shit that happens on other shows (Ashton on BD comes to mind in terms of drinking on camera). If Shannon is on her own, though, it’s all on her.

About Tamra calling Shannon out…it’s all about the public humiliation for that bitch. Always has been.

[RoseAllDay]

What a coincidence, LOL. Thursday’s marathon is the season where Tamra found Jesus and Vicki was comparing herself to Him.

I love how these replays before a new episode put everything into perspective.

[Pi237]

36 minutes ago, RoseAllDay said:

What a coincidence, LOL. Thursday’s marathon is the season where Tamra found Jesus and Vicki was comparing herself to Him.

I love how these replays before a new episode put everything into perspective.

Just watched it-hilarious. Tamra had to-of course-be in a white see through outfit. Disappears for an hour to redo all her glam. Vicky yelling “I’m like Jesus, being nailed to the cross!!” Then, singing gospel with her hand in the air. Mind you-the whole time She was lying with and for her Cancer Scammer Lover Brooks!  They kept cutting to the pastor-who, although he looked very camera ready-had a shocked, confused look on his face the whole time. Can’t believe they didn’t all get hit by lightning. I imagine that gospel had an epic gossip session after they left that sacrilegious sham of an event. 

[bravofan27]

Tamra seems extra unhappy this season, and I think it may stem from new issues with her daughter Sidney. It seems that once Sidney stopped talking to Tamra she has had this anger, more than the naked wasted anger where she was just being mean trying to get Gretchen in an uncompromising position to prove her point that she wasn't really in love with Jeff. 

I don't understand why anyone even cares if Shannon drinks. Her sobriety, or lack of, is up to her. It's up to her to decide if she wants to drink or not, if she needs help, if she is ready for help, etc. Tamra screeching that she won't be friends with Shannon because she had a DUI and continues to drink makes no sense. 

[RoseAllDay]

4 hours ago, Pi237 said:

Just watched it-hilarious. Tamra had to-of course-be in a white see through outfit. Disappears for an hour to redo all her glam. Vicky yelling “I’m like Jesus, being nailed to the cross!!” Then, singing gospel with her hand in the air. Mind you-the whole time She was lying with and for her Cancer Scammer Lover Brooks!  They kept cutting to the pastor-who, although he looked very camera ready-had a shocked, confused look on his face the whole time. Can’t believe they didn’t all get hit by lightning. I imagine that gospel had an epic gossip session after they left that sacrilegious sham of an event. 

That whole season is great.

I still laugh when Eddie tells Tamra, “I am not working my ass off to support another man’s family.”

Rick Warren was pretty well known back then, I think. Saddleback is a megachurch in the OC. He obviously didn’t care that he was being made a fool of.

Actually, Vicki’s display of piousness disgusted (and still disgusts) me. Especially when she did her “praise be” handwaving poolside. Sacrilege is right.

[RoseAllDay]

2 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

Tamra seems extra unhappy this season, and I think it may stem from new issues with her daughter Sidney. It seems that once Sidney stopped talking to Tamra she has had this anger, more than the naked wasted anger where she was just being mean trying to get Gretchen in an uncompromising position to prove her point that she wasn't really in love with Jeff. 

I don't understand why anyone even cares if Shannon drinks. Her sobriety, or lack of, is up to her. It's up to her to decide if she wants to drink or not, if she needs help, if she is ready for help, etc. Tamra screeching that she won't be friends with Shannon because she had a DUI and continues to drink makes no sense. 

As far as Tamra’s concerned, cruelty is the point. She’s the mean girl who finds someone else’s weakness and uses it as a weapon. Usually she makes it out to come from a place of “caring and friendship”, but she wants to wound. Shannon has been an easy target since her first season.

If I’m Shannon, losing Tamra as a “friend” would be a big win.

Edited August 16 by RoseAllDay
Clunky wording fixed.

[ZettaK]

On 8/13/2024 at 3:29 PM, sugarbaker design said:

No suspension of license?

They do shotski every Wednesday on WWHL.

No, her license was not suspended. She was supposed to add a breathalyzer device in her car. She still drives.

 

 

[ZettaK]

9 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

Tamra seems extra unhappy this season, and I think it may stem from new issues with her daughter Sidney. It seems that once Sidney stopped talking to Tamra she has had this anger, more than the naked wasted anger where she was just being mean trying to get Gretchen in an uncompromising position to prove her point that she wasn't really in love with Jeff. 

I don't understand why anyone even cares if Shannon drinks. Her sobriety, or lack of, is up to her. It's up to her to decide if she wants to drink or not, if she needs help, if she is ready for help, etc. Tamra screeching that she won't be friends with Shannon because she had a DUI and continues to drink makes no sense. 

Tamra’s oldest daughter lives and works in Los Angeles, so she is not even close enough for them to have issues except for the original estrangedment which I'm sure affected Tamra.

 

@RoseAllDay

As for Shannon, her sobriety is a matter of public safety. She drove into a house already. She was still drinking although she was supposed to attend an outpatient First Offender Alcohol program for 9 months. She managed to avoid rehab, losing her license, prison time, and serving almost no community service because of her connections (her family is influential in the area). 

ETA: Shannon ordered a Belvedere (vodka) with soda at Gina's party for those that didn't hear the vodka brand. 

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[RealHousewife]

13 minutes ago, ZettaK said:

Tamra’s oldest daughter lives and works in Los Angeles, so she is not even close enough for them to have issues except for the original estrangedment which I'm sure affected Tamra.

 

@RoseAllDay

As for Shannon, her sobriety is a matter of public safety. She drove into a house already. She was still drinking although she was supposed to attend an outpatient First Offender Alcohol program for 9 months. She managed to avoid rehab, losing her license, prison time, and serving almost no community service because of her connections (her family is influential in the area). 

I like Shannon and dislike Tamra’s delivery on the issue, but I agree that Shannon got a slap on the wrist when she could have killed someone. Hurting her own health is one thing, but once she can hurt other people driving drunk, it is indeed a public safety concern. 

[bravofan27]

All true about Shannon driving, but her drinking when she had a ride to and from, to me, is not a public health issue. Also, the first episode where we saw Tamra with her daughter Sophie, Tamra talked about Sidney and how they were still estranged. Tamra broke down in tears over the situation during this season's “RHOC” premiere. She tattooed 111 on her arm to make the wish that Sidney will come home. https://pagesix.com/2024/07/11/parents/tamra-judge-reveals-where-she-stands-with-estranged-daughter-sidney/

Shannon's lunch with her dad and the golf event she wasn't drinking, and I'm assuming it was because she drove and isn't allowed to drive after having any alcohol whatsoever. 

It's a public health issue for anyone to drink and drive. 

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[ZettaK]

6 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

All true about Shannon driving, but her drinking when she had a ride to and from, to me, is not a public health issue. Also, the first episode where we saw Tamra with her daughter Sophie, Tamra talked about Sidney and how they were still estranged. Tamra broke down in tears over the situation during this season's “RHOC” premiere. She tattooed 111 on her arm to make the wish that Sidney will come home. https://pagesix.com/2024/07/11/parents/tamra-judge-reveals-where-she-stands-with-estranged-daughter-sidney/

Shannon's lunch with her dad and the golf event she wasn't drinking, and I'm assuming it was because she drove and isn't allowed to drive after having any alcohol whatsoever. 

It's a public health issue for anyone to drink and drive. 

Yes, the only reason Shannon was not drinking at certain events was because she was driving. But at some, like Gina's party didn't have to drive, so she was drinking.

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21 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

All true about Shannon driving, but her drinking when she had a ride to and from, to me, is not a public health issue. Also, the first episode where we saw Tamra with her daughter Sophie, Tamra talked about Sidney and how they were still estranged. Tamra broke down in tears over the situation during this season's “RHOC” premiere. She tattooed 111 on her arm to make the wish that Sidney will come home. https://pagesix.com/2024/07/11/parents/tamra-judge-reveals-where-she-stands-with-estranged-daughter-sidney/

Shannon's lunch with her dad and the golf event she wasn't drinking, and I'm assuming it was because she drove and isn't allowed to drive after having any alcohol whatsoever. 

It's a public health issue for anyone to drink and drive. 

I hear you! I think we all agree that Shannon drinking and driving is dangerous, and Shannon drinking and not driving is her business. I do think she has a problem though, and I hope she gets some real help. Maybe her actions have been the result of going through heartbreak with David and then John, I don’t know. But as much as Shannon can be sweet and fun, it seems like she has really struggled a lot since she first appeared on the show. She is handling Alexis much better than I thought she would, so I am happy she is strong enough to deal with that woman. I couldn’t do it in her shoes.