S13.E14: Aches and Spains

[SemiCharmedLife]

Those earrings were not just a sentimental gift from husband to wife; they were $750,000- taken directly from the account of diabetes patients who had won a lawsuit. This huge sum could have helped some of the victims. Erika could not give a f***.

[Chalby]

3 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

People are angry that she would rather keep diamond earrings than hand them over so that their cash value could benefit people that Tom Girardi and his law firm defrauded. 

Again (if I put myself in similar shoes) I would understand as my husband's properties and possessions were confiscated and sold, because of what he did to his clients and his firm.

But when lawyers start delving into her personal cache of gifts and take the one pair of earrings that were worth anything substantial, that's like someone going into your bank and taking all your retirement fund $, while stating, well this helps towards your hubby's debt.

Again I don't understand how the earrings gifted long before, figured in anything criminal, so it makes sense to me that it was overturned.

[ww92]

On 2/6/2024 at 12:27 PM, Natalie68 said:

I am wondering if the cast knew ahead of time who was coming to that dinner.  Erika could have done her research on the people attending for a couple of reasons.  To not look dumb and to see if they were worth her time getting to know.  Her recitation of the facts was a little too wikipedia.

Possibly, but I think Erika is smart. I think that's why she did so well as Mrs. Girardi for so many years. When she met Tom she was young, pretty,  educated and well spoken. She was the perfect high powered attorney wife. She could carry on intelligent conversations with educated high rollers but she also had blonde hair, blue eyes,  a flat stomach and big boobs who had a naughty (Erika Jayne) side. She listens, she learns.

I don't know if she paid much attention to where the money in her bank accounts came from but I guarantee you she knew how much money was in them on any  given day down to the last cent. I'm sure she'd heard chatter over the years  that Tom and his business dealings were shady but she chose to ignore it and spend the money.

[Pattycake2]

Tom Girardi had been stealing from victims settlements for years.  He used those stolen funds from burn victims and grieving families to pay for his house, those private plane trips, those earrings, and approximately 25 million to Erika so that she could pat her puss.  Even if Erika wasn’t aware that something was going on, she does know now that her lavish lifestyle was funded by monies stolen from the anguish of others.

[Salacious Kitty]

Erika is not educated. Not formally, at any rate. She's a high school graduate, nothing more.

[Emmeline]

On 2/5/2024 at 4:04 PM, pvandal said:

I don't know why they all thought having Merce's ashes in a baggy was odd. It's how they are returned to the family, albeit in a sealed bag. I don't think Sutton had all of his ashes anyway did she? That bag was fairly small. For some reason, I am thinking she only had some.

 

I agree with you.  The ashes from an adult human body weighs 3-5 pounds.  So they must have given out ashes to many friends and family.
 

I wish Dorit would shut it about Kyle’s clothing.

Edited February 8 by Emmeline

[Emmeline]

On 2/5/2024 at 5:54 PM, Pattycake2 said:

Can someone explain to me how the court said that there was no proof that Girardi used client funds to purchase the earrings?  Didn’t Tom client funds for years to pay for their life style?  Where else did he get the money?

I can’t really understand it either but the earrings are still in the hands of the person who bought them from the estate for around only about $250,000.  She got the appeal and there is further work to be done by the bankruptcy attorney.  It’s not over.

[hoodooznoodooz]

1 hour ago, Pattycake2 said:

Tom Girardi had been stealing from victims settlements for years.  He used those stolen funds from burn victims and grieving families to pay for his house, those private plane trips, those earrings, and approximately 25 million to Erika so that she could pat her puss.  Even if Erika wasn’t aware that something was going on, she does know now that her lavish lifestyle was funded by monies stolen from the anguish of others.

THANK YOU.

I listened to a podcast, an interview with that lawyer who has been keeping tabs on this case. I know he doesn’t like the Girardis. But he said that he thinks that they will nail Erika for the tax returns she signed. He said that a lot of criminals forget that when you steal, it’s still income, and you have to report it. 

[StevieRocks]

I'm confused about two things. 1. Why is anyone suggesting that that imbecile, Annemarie<?> did anything but annoyingly and unsympathetically bark and unnecessarily scare Crystal during her medical emergency? and 2. Why is anyone suggesting that Dumb Dumb Er-ICKa, the puss patting hooker, sounded like the editor-in-chief for The Economist when all she did was drunkenly slur and bark, "uh-huh" and "is that where they had a war?" She sounded like a soulless, drunk, puss patting geriatric rube like she always does. 🤷‍♀️

[heatherchandler]

4 hours ago, Chalby said:

Again (if I put myself in similar shoes) I would understand as my husband's properties and possessions were confiscated and sold, because of what he did to his clients and his firm.

But when lawyers start delving into her personal cache of gifts and take the one pair of earrings that were worth anything substantial, that's like someone going into your bank and taking all your retirement fund $, while stating, well this helps towards your hubby's debt.

Again I don't understand how the earrings gifted long before, figured in anything criminal, so it makes sense to me that it was overturned.

But if my retirement fund was funded with stolen money, I’d fully expect to have to give it back.

The earrings - shown in court (proven? I don’t know..) that there was evidence that he literally took a check that was supposed to go to a client, waltzed down to the bank, deposited it and then went to buy the earrings from that account.  
 

She's disgusting, filthy lying scum and she needs to give them back.  

 

3 hours ago, ww92 said:

Possibly, but I think Erika is smart. I think that's why she did so well as Mrs. Girardi for so many years. When she met Tom she was young, pretty,  educated and well spoken.

She’s probably the dumbest housewife of them all, and that’s saying something.   Shes not well-spoken or educated.  She knew about the dancers, she pronounced erudite correctly.. that’s about it.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Does anyone know who has the Chagall?

[ZettaK]

On 2/5/2024 at 5:04 PM, pvandal said:

I don't know why they all thought having Merce's ashes in a baggy was odd. It's how they are returned to the family, albeit in a sealed bag. I don't think Sutton had all of his ashes anyway did she? That bag was fairly small. For some reason, I am thinking she only had some.

 

Yes, she probably had only some of the ashes.

[ZettaK]

7 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Does anyone know who has the Chagall?

The names of the people who bought items from the auction were not disclosed.

[SemiCharmedLife]

One podcast that delves into the legal side of EJ’s complicated finances, etc is the Bravo Docket. It’s two practicing attorneys and they have a lot of knowledge about Tom’s case. As @heatherchandlersaid, a check was written from a client account for the earrings. (NOT a gift from before Tom started stealing client money- literal client money.) The only reason Erika won her appeal for the earrings is because this was part of the G-K bankruptcy.  And, it should be in a separate lawsuit brought by the robbed clients.

[Natalie68]

On 2/7/2024 at 6:14 PM, hoodooznoodooz said:

THANK YOU.

I listened to a podcast, an interview with that lawyer who has been keeping tabs on this case. I know he doesn’t like the Girardis. But he said that he thinks that they will nail Erika for the tax returns she signed. He said that a lot of criminals forget that when you steal, it’s still income, and you have to report it. 

So we are to believe this about Erika per Erika: 

1)Poor little wife didn't know how to use an ATM or bank.  Guess when she was patting the puss  at  "The Palace" in Passaic NJ, she was stuffing the ones under her mattress?  PULEEZE.

2) She had no idea were the 25 million came from that popped into her LLC.  It was a miracle.  That altar in her house was good for something!

3) She is a savant about world issues

That Erika is a woman of mystery 🙄

Edited February 9 by Natalie68

[StevieRocks]

15 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

So we are to believe this about Erika per Erika: 

1)Poor little wife didn't know how to use an ATM or bank.  Guess when she was patting the puss  at  "The Palace" in Passaic NJ, she was stuffing the ones under her mattress?  PULEEZE.

2) She had no idea were the 25 million came from that popped into her LLC.  It was a miracle.  That alter in her house was good for something!

3) She is a savant about world issues

That Erika is a woman of mystery 🙄

Exactly. ErICKa seems to forget that we KNOW that the reason she was chosen by Crooked LIAR-yer/Grandpappy Girardi had nothing to do with her "intellect," which is clearly non-existent. We also know how much she was expected to contribute to conversations--like the time she tried to bark up during a dinner date with Lisa and Ken and was promptly scolded by LIAR-yer/Grandpappy Girardi to shut her pie-hole--which she obediently did.  You're a past your prime stripper, Erica. No one is going to ask you to fill in for Jim Lehrer on PBS, you insufferable old skank.

[ZettaK]

On 2/6/2024 at 4:52 PM, Yours Truly said:

Bully and backstab is the perfect way to describe the way Kyle treats her sisters. 

It's one thing to have a toxic cycle which they seem to have with each other I will always maintain that Kyles approach and management of that sad routine is so much more malicious, cruel and nasty.

Actually I'm not that broken up about the imperfections in their sister relationship and to be honest I'm pretty over all the "suffering". I don't get this narrative that this sort of thing HAS TO BE  a never ending punishment. I don't understand people who NEED to be affected by EVERYTHING. The amount of stuff that I let roll off my back once I hit the age of 40 is kinda incredible. Not that I've grown just that a switch literally flipped where that whole "life's too short" mantra really and truly feels real. 

Yeah, that simple. And this is coming from a woman who has a crackhead, heroine addict, alcoholic, sister and a mom who had a gambling addiction, alcohol addiction and heroine addiction (herione addiction was finally kicked for good when she got with my father). Lifes too short to play victim, to hold on to things that only make you feel bad and to things you CAN'T control. 

The biggest problem in that sister dynamic is the amount of control they each want to have over each other and to be honest as Kathy and Kim age I think they are less and less concerned over dictating the others actions while Kyle still wants to highlight her sisters shortcomings all the live long day. 

I know Kathy is probably controlling but at the same time I think the issues truly arise when Kyle decides to overstep boundaries that Kathy has implemented. People can have their boundaries without being labelled controlling. Kyle wants to act with no repercussions and this leads to her narrative that she gets mistreated when in reality the harsh treatment she gets is earned recourse. 

At the end of the day I am so tired of their dynamic being presented as something so outrageously unique that Kyle is such a victim. It's called life. Get on with it already. 

I come to these narratives about Kyle because of the way she continuously like to be meanspirited toward her friends and then gaslight any and all situations to read as them being in the wrong. 

She did it to LVP, Sutton, even Camille. I know I'm in the minority but I was on Camille's side season one. 

The way Kyle speaks too and about the "friends" in her life is just such an unpleasant thing to watch. This episode was no different. 

I beg to differ about Kathy Hilton. She is a horrible person (one can see a little bit how she is because that's not the whole picture- she controls her behavior- on Paris' Peacock show) according to reports, and she stopped talking to her sisters even for years, not the other way around. She manipulated her daughters like her mother did to her and her sisters in order to become famous, and to marry rich. She sent Paris to an abusive facility in Utah when she was a teenager, and she still avoids dealing with the subject. But she has connections to the gossip/celebrity media sites/social media sites, so she can present a different image of herself, exactly what she did on the BH HWs where she created a persona.

Edited February 9 by ZettaK

[KristenR]

2 hours ago, ZettaK said:

I beg to differ about Kathy Hilton. She is a horrible person (one can see a little bit how she is because that's not the whole picture- she controls her behavior- on Paris' Peacock show) according to reports, and she stopped talking to her sisters even for years, not the other way around. She manipulated her daughters like her mother did to her and her sisters in order to become famous, and to marry rich. She sent Paris to an abusive facility in Utah when she was a teenager, and she still avoids dealing with the subject. But she has connections to the gossip/celebrity media sites/social media sites, so she can present a different image of herself, exactly what she did on the BH HWs where she created a persona.

There's a story that Paris tells on (the most recent season?) of her show about how, when she was 13, Kathy found her diary and read it aloud to her sisters and all three of them were laughing over it. Which I felt really said all I needed to know about the sisters. 

Edited February 9 by KristenR

[hoodooznoodooz]

14 hours ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

One podcast that delves into the legal side of EJ’s complicated finances, etc is the Bravo Docket. It’s two practicing attorneys and they have a lot of knowledge about Tom’s case. As @heatherchandlersaid, a check was written from a client account for the earrings. (NOT a gift from before Tom started stealing client money- literal client money.) The only reason Erika won her appeal for the earrings is because this was part of the G-K bankruptcy.  And, it should be in a separate lawsuit brought by the robbed clients.

Why I think Erika has a very good memory but is not smart:

Exhibit LL: Erika in fact believes that she triumphed based on this update. 

[Pi237]

On 2/7/2024 at 10:11 PM, StevieRocks said:

. Why is anyone suggesting that that imbecile, Annemarie<?> did anything but annoyingly and unsympathetically bark and unnecessarily  🤷‍♀️

I can't get past this. She was so unbelievably unprofessional, but worse than that, her behavior was dangerous. When someone is in the midst of a possible cardiac event, you do all you can to remain calm and help reassure the patient. Being scared undoubtedly help elevate Crystals pulse and blood pressure. That woman is not just a liar, she's a liability for any hospital she works for because she actively put someone in danger. 

[Yours Truly]

15 hours ago, ZettaK said:

I beg to differ about Kathy Hilton. She is a horrible person (one can see a little bit how she is because that's not the whole picture- she controls her behavior- on Paris' Peacock show) according to reports, and she stopped talking to her sisters even for years, not the other way around. She manipulated her daughters like her mother did to her and her sisters in order to become famous, and to marry rich. She sent Paris to an abusive facility in Utah when she was a teenager, and she still avoids dealing with the subject. But she has connections to the gossip/celebrity media sites/social media sites, so she can present a different image of herself, exactly what she did on the BH HWs where she created a persona.

I wasn't debating whether or not Kathy is or isn't a horrible person just that just like anyone else she is gonna run her space the way she's gonna run her space. It is what it is and if that's how she rocks then you either rock with it or don't. 

Now in connection with KYLE,  what we've seen and how we see Kyle present it, USE IT, and manipulate the narrative for her own benefit is what makes me yawn. There's discord in the family, big whoop. I can't with the helpless routine anymore. We deal with unpleasant people in life, that's just a given. Some are family, some are frenemies and others are cashiers at Starbucks. I mean, the constant need for Kyle to paint such a morose picture of herself as this trapped, caged animal at the hands of her abusive sisters is just too much. 

The part I find distasteful is how performative it is. Woah is me, I've been abused, I'm such a whipping boy, I'm so mistreated. Look, there should always be room to sympathize and allow people to feel how they feel, to validate honest traumas and abuse but what Kyle does isn't for healing or resolution. She constantly weaponizes these details over and over again and seems to need a head on a platter over and over and over again.  From outing Kim in the limo, to attacking LVP in her own home, to dropping hints regularly about how much she DOESN'T say, which begs people to want her to spill (which she not so secretly WANTS to do), to being a whimpering bystander as well as a low key informer in the situation with Rinna, Erika and Kathy, Kyle is a very serious contributor to the ugly dynamic and narrative that engulfs the three. 

That's what my point has always been on the topic of Kyle. 

It's so overdone that it's now coming across as a schtick which is a shame considering how serious the actual subject matter is. But I just can't care. 

 

Edited February 9 by Yours Truly

[Chalby]

On 2/7/2024 at 7:54 PM, heatherchandler said:

The earrings - shown in court (proven? I don’t know..) that there was evidence that he literally took a check that was supposed to go to a client, waltzed down to the bank, deposited it and then went to buy the earrings from that account.  

That's my point. There's wasn't any proof the earrings were bought with stolen money and their value is in today's prices, not what he paid at the time of purchase. That's why the courts have to readdress this .

Come on, Erika is anything but stupid. In fact, "maybe" Dorit could fall a little under that adjective.