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S10.E07: Speak Now or Forever Hold Your Peace


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Jasmine finds keepsakes from Gino's exes; Rob begs for Sophie's forgiveness; Justin wants Nikki to dress more conservatively; Manuel refuses to share his personal life with Ashley; Nick surprises Devin; Clayton's sister grills Anali.

First Look: 11/17/23

Full Episode: 11/19/23

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Nikki/Igor: Dressing conservatively to meet the partner's parents isn't "denying who you are".  It's for an evening.  The bigger issue that neither of them recognize is that he's just not into her.  Not attracted, nada.  Nikki should have read the room and gone home.

Gino/Jasmine: I can't believe this blah guy with the hats has so many exes!  And while I was starting to get sympathetic towards Jasmine, I realized she left her own kids back in Panama (and didn't seem all that invested in them when she was in the same country).  I'd be shocked-shocked! if Jasmine hadn't slept with Dane, the exact same act that she accuses Gino of doing.  As for him, Gino is no victim.  They deserve one another.

Manuel/Ashley: I think the therapist wanted to blurt out, "How can you not see that this man sees you as a walking wallet?  Prepare to support his entire family while he doesn't give a flying rat about you".  She berates him as if he's a little boy, and he smirks through all of it.  She amuses him.  At least he's upfront about his motives next week.

Nick/Devin: So far, this is the best couple.  I hope they last, but he's going to meet the happening hub of Searcy next week, and Parents Devin, who look even less impressed than Nick's did.

Rob/Sophie: Oh get real, Sophie.  You can take your "likes" back to England right now.  Of course you're going to go back with Rob, who will play you like a fiddle.  I would have taken my losses and gone back to indoor plumbing, then found a guy who never had smutty pics on his phone, nor who had ever cheated on me. She's an exasperating airhead.

Clayton/Anali: Before I spent major bucks on a foreign spouse, the first thing I would do is get my mother out of the closet.  That's not normal.  I don't even think it's a real bed in there.  Anali looks like something smells bad (it probably does).  She's gotten all the way to Kentucky and  found a weird guy who she's not into but doesn't know how to break it to him, 

When Mr. Traveler and I visited any parental units, it was monk city until we got home (TMI?)  How much more for Anali, whose prospective mother in law is next to the wall?    And even without Mom-next week has to be the cringiest seduction scene since Cleo and Christian.  Is Clayton 15?  

On the other hand, Anali, I'm looking at a 26 year old woman who seems so afraid of Daddy that you have kept Clayton a secret for years?  I don't get all up in my grown kids' personal lives, but what would hurt the most is if one of them kept their SI or even spouse a secret, and lied to me.  There should be nothing they couldn't tell me.  I get that Peruvian culture is very different, but something doesn't  smell right with her and this excuse.  She never introduced them when Clayton was in Peru?

Happy Thanksgiving to all!  Sorry I couldn't make the snark but want to send greetings to all the snarkers.

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1 hour ago, AR Traveler said:

I can't believe this blah guy with the hats has so many exes! 

I think the ex-wife was a K-1 as well.

1 hour ago, AR Traveler said:

And even without Mom-next week has to be the cringiest seduction scene since Cleo and Christian.

Imagine if a man said his woman was splayed like a cow on the bed.

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Rob/Sophie---I keep forgetting she is only 23. And I think back to the bullshit I tolerated at that age. Run, Sophie, run. He is a very immature 32 and his excuses are so laughable. Again though, she is only 23. 

Ashley and Mushmouth---Again, this is what happens when you try to turn a vacation fuckbuddy into a spouse. How much more clear can he make it that he really isnt' that into her and is there for the $$ benefit? I mean, he doesn't mind her, he can tolerate her, at least until he gets set up and finds his footing. Then he will not doubt jump to another who he either has actual feelings for/chemistry with, or can provide more $$. She is shocked he expects to send money home? Honey, how do you not know that this is expected of him?? If he doesn't or tries not to, the full wrath of all the primas and primos and tios and abuelitas will rain down upon him. You think his family is blowing up your phone now? Just wait. Binge watch past seasons of this show or The Family Chantel for a crash course lol. 

Anali & Clayton---I feel sorry for Clayton. He seems like a decent enough guy, based on his job and lifestyle you can tell he is very introverted and maybe has some social anxiety with women. He has other siblings (not only did we meet his sister, he mentioned brothers) and somehow his walk in closet is the best option for the mother (who is mentally ill----hoarding is a mental disorder). Or he was the only one willing to step up and take care of her; that plus his love of animals just make me think overall, a good hearted person. Anali probably enjoys chatting with him but no, there is no passion there and that is the real reason she hasn't mentioned him to her father or anyone. Peruvians can be more conservative, especially in the provinces. Chiclayo is a city, but not a huge one. If her family was THAT conservative, she wouldn't be allowed to travel by herself to the US, even if for work. And she would be checking in each day....Clayton's sister seems like she gets in bar fights on the regular and I would be terrified to run into her after more shots and in a dark alley, but I think she called it. This chick is using her brother. Maybe not for a green card, but just for shits and giggles. The preview for next week was cringe adn she is a bitch for the cow comment. My husband does some things sometimes to try and be romantic or sexy that I find cringe, but I would NEVER utter those words. It would destroy his self confidence and it is just plain shitty to do if you love someone. 

Jasmine and Gino----OK, when he walked in with the stuff for the dog, that was some horrible, not even B grade acting on both parts. He looked like he could barely contain laughter. I wouldn't be happy about a stripper either, but she fucked her ex and got $2000 (that she admits to) for ass implants from said ex, so she needs to cut the angel act. 

Igor and Nikki---she is a horrid hosebeast of a person. She looked decent in the dress to go see his parents. WTF was she wearing when she was getting ready? It looked like a girdle? Some horrendous shapewear? WHY? I mean, she isn't big? The dress wasn't form fitting. She shrieks and yells at him constantly. I think she is a sex addict and when she acts like this is all because she is trans, I want to slap her. Hard. Wake up. It isn't because you are trans. It is because you bitch and moan and belittle the man 24/7. Even if you "get" him, the second he has some breathing room and meets a woman who shockingly treats him like a human being and not just a blow up doll, he will bounce. She screams how she is too much for him too passionate. No, you are psycho. 

Nick/Devin---cute outing to officially propose and take some pics. For a sec, I thought they were having a professional photographer take the pics and her ratty, uncombed wannabe ponytail had me confused. Selfies with a selfie stick make much more sense. They seem like the only couple who have a genuine relationship and hopefully the trip to AR goes well. 

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12 hours ago, AR Traveler said:

On the other hand, Anali, I'm looking at a 26 year old woman who seems so afraid of Daddy that you have kept Clayton a secret for years?  I don't get all up in my grown kids' personal lives, but what would hurt the most is if one of them kept their SI or even spouse a secret, and lied to me.  There should be nothing they couldn't tell me.  I get that Peruvian culture is very different, but something doesn't  smell right with her and this excuse.  She never introduced them when Clayton was in Peru?

I think Anali isn’t sure she and Clayton are the real deal, and didn’t want to hear her dad’s opinion about a guy she met online. Had he known she was headed to the USA for a guy he likely would’ve raised holy hell. She said her plan was to tell him that she met him while she was in the USA. 

I don’t agree with Anali but given how unstable Clayton’s living situation seems to be, she knows she can go home at any point and her Dad wouldn’t be the wiser. She’s keeping her options open. I know what it’s like to not want to hear your parent’s opinion (as much as you love and respect them) so just don’t tell them! (At least he knows where she is for safety)

 

3 hours ago, Stuckathome said:

Anali probably enjoys chatting with him but no, there is no passion there and that is the real reason she hasn't mentioned him to her father or anyone.

Yup. 

12 hours ago, AR Traveler said:

Gino/Jasmine: I can't believe this blah guy with the hats has so many exes! 

Well he is fifty two. That’s not old by any means, but certainly enough of an adult life to have had several long term relationships. 

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I have a huge crush on Annalieze she is gorgeous. Beautiful eyebrows. 
 

What’s up with dudes sister. She just went off on Annalise. Like you just start storming off and screaming damn. 
 

Sophia is gorgeous. Rob is an idiot. Damn online cheating. So he can’t look at porn? 
 

her place is nice I know she doesn’t want to go back to Robb’s shit hole. 
 

It was  a cool episode a little boring. Next week is going to be the good episode. 
 

why does Nikki treat Justin like shit he is so nice. 

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11 hours ago, Stuckathome said:

Rob/Sophie---I keep forgetting she is only 23. And I think back to the bullshit I tolerated at that age. Run, Sophie, run. He is a very immature 32 and his excuses are so laughable. Again though, she is only 23. 

Ashley and Mushmouth---Again, this is what happens when you try to turn a vacation fuckbuddy into a spouse. How much more clear can he make it that he really isnt' that into her and is there for the $$ benefit? I mean, he doesn't mind her, he can tolerate her, at least until he gets set up and finds his footing. Then he will not doubt jump to another who he either has actual feelings for/chemistry with, or can provide more $$. She is shocked he expects to send money home? Honey, how do you not know that this is expected of him?? If he doesn't or tries not to, the full wrath of all the primas and primos and tios and abuelitas will rain down upon him. You think his family is blowing up your phone now? Just wait. Binge watch past seasons of this show or The Family Chantel for a crash course lol. 

Anali & Clayton---I feel sorry for Clayton. He seems like a decent enough guy, based on his job and lifestyle you can tell he is very introverted and maybe has some social anxiety with women. He has other siblings (not only did we meet his sister, he mentioned brothers) and somehow his walk in closet is the best option for the mother (who is mentally ill----hoarding is a mental disorder). Or he was the only one willing to step up and take care of her; that plus his love of animals just make me think overall, a good hearted person. Anali probably enjoys chatting with him but no, there is no passion there and that is the real reason she hasn't mentioned him to her father or anyone. Peruvians can be more conservative, especially in the provinces. Chiclayo is a city, but not a huge one. If her family was THAT conservative, she wouldn't be allowed to travel by herself to the US, even if for work. And she would be checking in each day....Clayton's sister seems like she gets in bar fights on the regular and I would be terrified to run into her after more shots and in a dark alley, but I think she called it. This chick is using her brother. Maybe not for a green card, but just for shits and giggles. The preview for next week was cringe adn she is a bitch for the cow comment. My husband does some things sometimes to try and be romantic or sexy that I find cringe, but I would NEVER utter those words. It would destroy his self confidence and it is just plain shitty to do if you love someone. 

Jasmine and Gino----OK, when he walked in with the stuff for the dog, that was some horrible, not even B grade acting on both parts. He looked like he could barely contain laughter. I wouldn't be happy about a stripper either, but she fucked her ex and got $2000 (that she admits to) for ass implants from said ex, so she needs to cut the angel act. 

Igor and Nikki---she is a horrid hosebeast of a person. She looked decent in the dress to go see his parents. WTF was she wearing when she was getting ready? It looked like a girdle? Some horrendous shapewear? WHY? I mean, she isn't big? The dress wasn't form fitting. She shrieks and yells at him constantly. I think she is a sex addict and when she acts like this is all because she is trans, I want to slap her. Hard. Wake up. It isn't because you are trans. It is because you bitch and moan and belittle the man 24/7. Even if you "get" him, the second he has some breathing room and meets a woman who shockingly treats him like a human being and not just a blow up doll, he will bounce. She screams how she is too much for him too passionate. No, you are psycho. 

Nick/Devin---cute outing to officially propose and take some pics. For a sec, I thought they were having a professional photographer take the pics and her ratty, uncombed wannabe ponytail had me confused. Selfies with a selfie stick make much more sense. They seem like the only couple who have a genuine relationship and hopefully the trip to AR goes well. 

Ima stop giving you props cause you don’t say nothing back. Lol. Nah but that was exactly gangsta. I can tell you really observed and watched a lot. Great assesment. I just think Annaylise is a little stunned. When she walked in that apartment like wow. Between Clayton and Robb this is the show of Shit holes. But Clayton is nicer then Robb. Robb just thinks he can be a dick

. Analise probably told him get a hotel. Clayton’s sister probably watched 90 day fiancé before and was like she is going to be the villain asshole.
 

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As a proud Jamaican yes we send money back to the island. Even watch season Devar he sent money home we do. It’s a foreigner thing kind of if you coming over or your in the states. You send money back. 

1 minute ago, Craigcodybazhate said:

Ima stop giving you props cause you don’t say nothing back. Lol. Nah but that was exactly gangsta. I can tell you really observed and watched a lot. Great assesment. I just think Annaylise is a little stunned. When she walked in that apartment like wow. Between Clayton and Robb this is the show of Shit holes. But Clayton is nicer then Robb. Robb just thinks he can be a dick

. Analise probably told him get a hotel. Clayton’s sister probably watched 90 day fiancé before and was like she is going to be the villain asshole.
 

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As a proud Jamaican yes we send money back to the island. Even watch season one Devar he sent money home we do. It’s a foreigner thing kind of if you coming over or your in the states. You send money back. 

 

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13 hours ago, Craigcodybazhate said:

Sophia is gorgeous. Rob is an idiot. Damn online cheating. So he can’t look at porn? 

There's a difference between looking at random women and responding to women who are also sending him stuff.  Maybe that's a bit of a generational thing, as my generation is more Polaroids, and that is definitely not my personal experience, but I can see where she's coming from there.

I think Igor just can't get over the trans thing.  Nikki doesn't look like she ever calms down, either.   That much energy would get very tiresome to me.

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12 hours ago, Craigcodybazhate said:

Ima stop giving you props cause you don’t say nothing back.

aw, well, shucks, thank you haha. I do appreciate it, we would probably have a blast watching this together. do you do the live chat thread? I sometimes read it as it as the episode plays, but rarely chat. It is rare I get to watch an episode live without a million interruptions. 

 

7 hours ago, Scout Finch said:

Manuel's default expression is a smirk.

that I always have the urge to try and slap off his smug face. To each her own, but in the looks department she could do so much better...and if she has a Latino (only Spanish speaking) fetish, shit, there are better looking dudes hanging out at my local Home Depot looking for work. 

 

22 minutes ago, anoninrva said:

Nikki doesn't look like she ever calms down, either.   

Is she possibly manic? I dont' know if such a condition exists, but like, bipolar only without any depressive episodes?? She would be exhausting. I mean, does she ever just live a normal life, go run errands, watch tv, hang with friends and hear about THEIR lives? It seems like she is the type who just non stop has to have the focus of attention and it is all about her being trans and spending insane number of hours painting her face. What are her hobbies? Interests? 

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On 11/20/2023 at 9:06 AM, Stuckathome said:

Igor and Nikki---she is a horrid hosebeast of a person. She looked decent in the dress to go see his parents. WTF was she wearing when she was getting ready? It looked like a girdle? Some horrendous shapewear? WHY? I mean, she isn't big? The dress wasn't form fitting. She shrieks and yells at him constantly. I think she is a sex addict and when she acts like this is all because she is trans, I want to slap her. Hard. Wake up. It isn't because you are trans. It is because you bitch and moan and belittle the man 24/7. Even if you "get" him, the second he has some breathing room and meets a woman who shockingly treats him like a human being and not just a blow up doll, he will bounce. She screams how she is too much for him too passionate. No, you are psycho. 

THIS^^^
It’s giving “I’m sexually predatory but it’s okay because I have double standards.”

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2 hours ago, anoninrva said:

I think Igor just can't get over the trans thing.  Nikki doesn't look like she ever calms down, either.   That much energy would get very tiresome to me.

It might have given him pause but it couldn’t have been a deal breaker if they’re still together.

I know a lot of dudes who think bitching to their low sex drive wives about their low sex drives will somehow turn them on. In my experience it only makes the issue worse. Very few people want to have low libido.

Nikki is equally selfish, and by extension, likely a horrrrrrrrrrrrible lover.

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20 hours ago, Drogo said:

Nikki is equally selfish, and by extension, likely a horrrrrrrrrrrrible lover.

She is so damn dramatic about EVERYTHING....that, plus her background as a sex worker (just imagining she had to be over the top and vocal to convince her customers she was SOOO into them), I am sure she is loud and obnoxious AF in bed, and yes, very, very selfish.

Igor (OK and how creepy is it that SHE CHANGED HIS NAME) planned what I think was a lovely date for them----picnic in the park, play a game, get some ice cream. She complained it was lame and boring and had a complete and utter public meltdown when he wouldn't lick ice cream off her face. She bitches about "they clocked me" and how she can just tell people are judging her for being trans when in fact it is just a normal reaction to a public trainwreck, trans or not.  

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On 11/21/2023 at 5:53 AM, Stuckathome said:

aw, well, shucks, thank you haha. I do appreciate it, we would probably have a blast watching this together. do you do the live chat thread? I sometimes read it as it as the episode plays, but rarely chat. It is rare I get to watch an episode live without a million interruptions. 

 

that I always have the urge to try and slap off his smug face. To each her own, but in the looks department she could do so much better...and if she has a Latino (only Spanish speaking) fetish, shit, there are better looking dudes hanging out at my local Home Depot looking for work. 

 

Is she possibly manic? I dont' know if such a condition exists, but like, bipolar only without any depressive episodes?? She would be exhausting. I mean, does she ever just live a normal life, go run errands, watch tv, hang with friends and hear about THEIR lives? It seems like she is the type who just non stop has to have the focus of attention and it is all about her being trans and spending insane number of hours painting her face. What are her hobbies? Interests? 

We totally would. Yeah definitely I gotta check out the live chat. Thanks so much. Keep your great posts coming. 

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On 11/20/2023 at 1:11 AM, MrBuhBye said:

I think the ex-wife was a K-1 as well.

Correct as always, Mr. BB! 
From when we first met Gino: 

“I’ve had a couple serious relationships in the past. My ex-wife is from São Paulo, Brazil.”

The Canton, Michigan native went on to explain how he and his ex-wife, Denise, met. “I worked in Brazil for six months as an engineer,” he said. “We met around that time and we knew we were in love and we wanted to be together. And so, I brought her to the United States on a K-1 visa.”

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On 11/21/2023 at 1:08 PM, Stuckathome said:

She is so damn dramatic about EVERYTHING....that, plus her background as a sex worker (just imagining she had to be over the top and vocal to convince her customers she was SOOO into them), I am sure she is loud and obnoxious AF in bed, and yes, very, very selfish.

Igor (OK and how creepy is it that SHE CHANGED HIS NAME) planned what I think was a lovely date for them----picnic in the park, play a game, get some ice cream. She complained it was lame and boring and had a complete and utter public meltdown when he wouldn't lick ice cream off her face. She bitches about "they clocked me" and how she can just tell people are judging her for being trans when in fact it is just a normal reaction to a public trainwreck, trans or not.  

Remember Chloe? She would have loved that. Nikki blaming being trans and hormones ? Again, remember Chloe? She was so lovely. I hope she found someone worthy of her.

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I think you mean Cleo, and yes, she was lovely. She took hormones in cream form and never once blamed her actions on them. Christian was the jerk who thought if he came into contact with the cream it would turn him into a woman. 

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Gino and Jasmine

Every one of us is a product of our past.

All the relationships we've had — romantic, friend, family — have shaped who we are today.

All of our life experiences and events have likewise influenced who we are now.

If Jasmine truly loves Gino, she should be grateful for the relationships and life experiences he's had, because they molded him into the man he is today, and with whom she fell in love.

Melting down because he's saved (either purposely or accidentally) keepsakes from old relationships or meaningful events — and demanding he throw them out — is uncalled for and Gino should have refused.  

Aside from the fact Jasmine borrowed money from her ex, Dane, to help pay for her butt implants, Jasmine has spent a lot more time talking to Dane and probably meeting with him in person than Gino has with his ex — or any other women.

So if anyone needs to scrub memories of their ex from their brain — or bedside drawer — it's Jasmine, not Gino. 

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1 hour ago, magemaud said:

I think you mean Cleo, and yes, she was lovely. She took hormones in cream form and never once blamed her actions on them. Christian was the jerk who thought if he came into contact with the cream it would turn him into a woman. 

Apologies yes Cleo!!!! Christian was a douche.  Flirting with other women at the bar…his fake proposal on the tell all in order to deflect his terrible behaviour. No.  I felt so bad for Cleo because she wanted to believe he was genuine. Nikki is just a terrible person.

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8 hours ago, TwirlyGirly said:

Gino and Jasmine

Every one of us is a product of our past.

All the relationships we've had — romantic, friend, family — have shaped who we are today.

All of our life experiences and events have likewise influenced who we are now.

If Jasmine truly loves Gino, she should be grateful for the relationships and life experiences he's had, because they molded him into the man he is today, and with whom she fell in love.

Melting down because he's saved (either purposely or accidentally) keepsakes from old relationships or meaningful events — and demanding he throw them out — is uncalled for and Gino should have refused.  

Aside from the fact Jasmine borrowed money from her ex, Dane, to help pay for her butt implants, Jasmine has spent a lot more time talking to Dane and probably meeting with him in person than Gino has with his ex — or any other women.

So if anyone needs to scrub memories of their ex from their brain — or bedside drawer — it's Jasmine, not Gino. 

But he can't, or won't, refuse.  When Jasmine  gets loud enough, he might try saying assertive things but he's actually afraid of her.  No way would I put up with it.

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On 11/20/2023 at 12:05 AM, AR Traveler said:

Manuel/Ashley: I think the therapist wanted to blurt out, "How can you not see that this man sees you as a walking wallet?  Prepare to support his entire family while he doesn't give a flying rat about you".  She berates him as if he's a little boy, and he smirks through all of it.  She amuses him.  At least he's upfront about his motives next week.

Manuel is a total dick to Ashly.  He isn't even trying to pretend he's here for Ashley but for the money, green card and a way to get his family here.  She is a walking wallet, and it is only going to get more expensive.  I wanted to punch him in the face while at the restaurant.  How she didn't is beyond me. Run Ashley!  You can do so much better.  He is a DICK.

On 11/20/2023 at 9:06 AM, Stuckathome said:

Igor and Nikki---she is a horrid hosebeast of a person.

Where to start?  She is constantly screaming, which is her normal way of speaking, about being who she is blah blah blah. She says she wants to be accepted but I am not sure what she wants accepted?  She dresses like a stripper most of the time, and most everything out of her mouth is sex related.  All Igor is asking her to do is tone it down to a normal level.  I feel bad for him and not sure why he is with her.

And I am confused and maybe missed it but is the backstory of their relationship that when they first met, he did not know she was trans, so he had no issues and apparently the sex was good.  Then she told him she was trans, and he isn't comfortable being intimate now that he knows she, was a he?  I can understand that. 

He seems to love her but her constant complaining about the sex, her over the top clothes and her always at 10 is pushing him away.  Why can't she not be so big and over the top?  She is not at a club or a drag show.  Why does she always have to have the whole "this is me and I will not change and if you don't like it, I am out" and not try to understand HIS POV and his life.  His friends were very nice and accepting even when Nikki tried to shock them several times, I think, to get a negative reaction so she can complain no one accepts her or allows her to be HER.  Ugh.  She would be sooooooooooo exhausting to be around. 

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9 hours ago, gaPeach said:

She dresses like a stripper most of the time, and most everything out of her mouth is sex related. 

The color of her contacts is NOT attractive on her.  Her pumped-up Barbie Pink mouth is as bad as everything that comes out of it.  I need this storyline to end.  She needs to stay in her lane that brings in that great (supposed) income...or get a make-under and a different therapist to appease me.

9 hours ago, gaPeach said:

She would be sooooooooooo exhausting to be around. 

She's so EXHAUSTING to watch!

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On 1/15/2024 at 4:08 PM, gaPeach said:

Why does she always have to have the whole "this is me and I will not change and if you don't like it, I am out"

And yet the first thing she did with him was change his name to Justin. And not because his name is difficult to pronounce, but because she didn't like it.

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