S10.E17: The Reunion, Part II

[itsadryheat]

36 minutes ago, Marley said:

she was fucking Tom actually in the house while Ariana was sleeping in another room

Karma, they are yours! 

[KungFuBunny]

58 minutes ago, itsadryheat said:

Karma, they are yours! 

Realistically speaking - I think the entire cast will be back next season - Raquel included - it's Reality Ratings Gold.

I hope that Tom either blatantly cheats on her on the show or breaks up with her on the show. I want to watch Raquel go total Fatal Attraction on his ass....

without any of my friends or relatives being boiled

Edited June 3, 2023 by KungFuBunny

[itsadryheat]

My karma comment was meant for "real life" as I do not believe this portrayal of their character is an act for the cameras. From what I saw and have read, this is who they are as people. I have no empathy for those intent on inflicting premeditated,  intentional harm to serve themselves. 

I do, however, enjoy watching them out themselves from the safety of my four walls.

[KungFuBunny]

In the trailer:

Raquel: I feel like she felt like you wanted to keep the relationship working because you never broke up with her.

Tom: Yes...in a sense...maybe I should have...we should have done this earlier.

Raquel: Ya think?...(she laughs)

OMG - done this earlier???? You didn't do anything. You didn't purposely get caught - you told Andy you normally delete this kind of stuff from your phone,. You were found out and got caught. You didn't break up with Ariana, you didn't fess up.

Watch that interview...Brad has a personal phone video of Valentine's Day. It is not Bravo footage. It is heartbreaking to see Ariana ecstatic with her boyfriend and friends. She is oblivious. Look at Raquel and Sandoval - they do not seem like they've been struggling for 8 months, or have guilt, or trying to drop clues.

 

Edited June 3, 2023 by KungFuBunny

[lili45]

3 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

If someone put their hands on me I’d do the same thing.  She should not be pushed, shoved or hit- for any reason.  I’d want an order that says, go ahead and hate me but you will not attack me again.

 

Sleeping with your friend’s boyfriend is legal, the other is battery.  
 

No one deserves to be hit, no one.

We simply stated “not ok,” noting the difference between right and wrong. Wasn’t referencing legal issues. Methinks we’re talking about two different things.

An eloquent post above highlighted the “right thing to do” vs the legal thing to do, ie when referencing someone’s pronouns. “She or He” may identify as they, though it may not be legal, but it is viewed as correct to call them as they identify.
But yes, when a person intentionally causes harmful contact with another person, the act is battery. ( www.law.Cornell.edu) Battery is an intentional tort. 
 

 

[hoodooznoodooz]

I wonder if Ally will be able to persuade James to stopping using the word “fat.”

[hoodooznoodooz]

7 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

In the trailer:

Raquel: I feel like she felt like you wanted to keep the relationship working because you never broke up with her.

Tom: Yes...in a sense...maybe I should have...we should have done this earlier.

Raquel: Ya think?...(she laughs)

OMG - done this earlier???? You didn't do anything. You didn't purposely get caught - you told Andy you normally delete this kind of stuff from your phone,. You were found out and got caught. You didn't break up with Ariana, you didn't fess up.

Watch that interview...Brad has a personal phone video of Valentine's Day. It is not Bravo footage. It is heartbreaking to see Ariana ecstatic with her boyfriend and friends. She is oblivious. Look at Raquel and Sandoval - they do not seem like they've struggling for 8 months, or have guilt, or trying to drop clues.

 

Another reason Sandoval didn’t end things with Ariana is because people like Ariana. She opened doors for him. People tolerated him because they enjoyed spending time with her. 
 

The Viall Files interview is good. Ariana asked Brad if he wanted to join her and Sandoval on Valentine’s Day. When Brad told Rachel he was hanging out with Ariana and Sandoval, she then said that was going to join them. 

 

Edited June 4, 2023 by hoodooznoodooz

[DrSparkles]

Re: Raquel & lack of expressing emotions: could it be her pageant training? Or is it  https://psychcentral.com/relationships/alexithymia-in-relationships#effects

[KungFuBunny]

8 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Another reason Sandoval didn’t end things with Ariana is because people like Ariana. She opened doors for him. People tolerated him because they enjoyed spending time with her. 
 

The Viall Files interview is good. Ariana asked Brian if he wanted to join her and Sandoval on Valentine’s Day. Rachel asked if she could also join them. 

 

Did you hear the part where after Scandoval broke, Brad was at Ariana's house sitting in the living room and Tom barged in and started screaming at them? He threatened to pull the TV off the wall because he bought it - meanwhile the TV wasn't even on.

Doucheoval has the nerve to say at the reunion that Ariana puts him down all the time and hints at her being cruel and abusive.

[ZettaK]

On 6/1/2023 at 11:59 PM, Chalby said:

As much as everyone wants to hate on Lala and Ariana for behaviour they exhibited 6 to 10 years ago, let's remember they both were single. They didn't cheat on anyone. That goes for Rachel, given she is single as well. The only difference is Rachel actively pursued a closer relationship with Ariana so she could be more accessible to Tom.

Despite the fact that we shouldn't refer to single people as "cheaters", I believe for the most part, the women have learned from their experiences. However, the men they accepted into their lives are the real "cheaters", and they're the ones who deserve the vitriol. (Rachel also deserves a little vitriol just for carrying on with Tom under Ariana's roof).

Ariana was not single. She was in a long term relationship with Tom.

[ZettaK]

23 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Jel:

Scheana Shay's channel on YouTube. Watch her interview with Neama Rahmani who is her lawyer. They go into detail about the type of TRO that was filed and talk about the document that Andy handed her on Reunion Part 2. It was another lie on Raquel's part. Filing that piece of paper wouldn't drop the charges. With the type of TRO filed there is NO document or form that can be filed or submitted to drop the TRO or court date of March 29th

Tell me who you believe Scheana or Raquel

On Reunuon Part 2 remember how Raquel says she should write Scheana a letter. Scheana said to this day, 2 months later, she hasn't gotten squat from Raquel

The document that was handed to Scheana via Andy Cohen at the reunion was a PR move. It had no legal value. Only a court appearance at the permanent restraining order hearing on March 29th would have mattered. 

[ZettaK]

On 6/2/2023 at 11:46 AM, itsadryheat said:

Ariana exposes a scamdoval "show tactic" and he loses it calling her a ‘motherf**er’ in extended Peacock episode. 

Sandoval insists Ariana always called him dumb in the relationship. While defending herself Ariana exposes one of Scamdoval's show tactics to deflect the heat off himself.

“Never let them finish the sentence”

This is exactly what he does. Tom proves what Ariana just said, as he immediately raises his voice, appears aggressive and tries to talk over her.  And its not just Ariana- he did it to Lala at the Heartspring party. When she was trying to explain the Labor Day ride situation, he loudly went “I KNOW! Iknowiknowiknow” in her face so she’d shut up.

Ariana didn't bat an eyelid when he called her that, which implies that he has yelled and called her names throughout their relationship. She was clearly not lying when she said he screamed at her for three days straight then acted contrite as soon as cameras went up.

This tactic of not letting them finish, shouting your narrative louder, and drowning out any response is how Scamdoval (and the men) have always successfully pushed their version of events and this is the first time it's being called out. In this scene, he got checked by Lisa immediately and went MUTE.

https://pagesix.com/2023/06/01/tom-sandoval-calls-ariana-madix-motherf-ker-at-reunion/

 

This tactic is used not only by the guys on the show, but by mostly guys, and some women, as well to silence others. Guys have the advantage of having more powerful and deeper voices which can drown other people's, especially women's voices out. It happened to me. 

[ZettaK]

23 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

I'm curious in what your opinion of this is:

Let's say you believe there was something physical that happened i.e. Scheana slapped/scratched Raquel and pushed/shoved her away from her.

To obtain a TRO, a party must convince the judge that he or she will suffer immediate irreparable injury unless the order is issued. If the judge is convinced that a temporary restraining order is necessary, he or she may issue the order immediately, without informing the other parties and without holding a hearing.

Do you think Raquel thought she was in danger? That if she didn't get this TRO Scheana was going to hunt her down and attack her?

My take is that Raquel didn't think she was in danger at all - she filed for a TRO because it is easy to obtain. You really don't need to provide proof. I do think she wanted to punish Scheana for the altercation - what she should have done is filed assault charges.

It's not easy to get a restraining order. One needs to prove that violence or threats of violence took place.

[ZettaK]

21 hours ago, FlyingEgret said:

I am curious if Tom knew Raquel's plans to give Scheana (through Andy) a copy of the Request to Dismiss (or whatever) that was filed.**

I assume Raquel would have told Tom her plan, but when Andy was talking to Scheana about it there was one shot of Tom looking confused. (Not calling him dumb...)

** my Scooby Senses are on alert. Andy told us that he sat down with the 3 the day before the reunion was taped. But when he talks to Scheana about the Request to Dismiss he says he believes it was filed today (i.e. the day of the reunion). So, Andy has either lied to us about it being a copy of a court-filed document (which would show a time-stamp of when it was filed); or the sit-down and the reunion were actually taped the same day. Neither scenario amount to very much of anything, but The Lies, The Lies!

The document that Raquel gave to Andy Cohen to hand to Scheana was a letter from her attorney. It was never filed with the court, so it didn't have legal value, as Scheana's attorney said afterwards. There was a hearing on the 29th of March (the reunion was filmed on the 23rd) to decide if Raquel's temporary restraining order would become permanent. Raquel didn't appear in court that date, and the temporary restraining order was dismissed. 

Edited June 3, 2023 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

21 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Please listen or watch the YouTube video I mentioned above.

The type of TRO Raquel received - once it goes into affect it's 21 days automatic. Raquel/Lawyer/family knew this before the TRO was granted. There is nothing that could be done before the court date that was set - March 29th. There is no form or letter Raquel's lawyer could send anyone to drop the charges. That paper Andy handed Scheana had zero validity in any court of law. If Scheana moved one yard in the wrong direction outside of her trailer, she could have been arrested.

It was mandatory for Scheana to appear in court. The case literally got thrown out because Raquel/Raquel's lawyer/Family did not bother to show up in court when the judge had them come forward. Per Scheana - Raquel was in bed with Tom while Scheana was in court on the 29th.

I really hope Scheana files papers for defamation of character and sues Raquel for all of the legal fees Scheana accrued

Scheana cannot sue for defamation because Raquel had to show proof to get a temporary restraining order, and she received it. She didn't have to attend the hearing on the 29th for the temporary restraining order to become permanent, unlike Scheana.

[ZettaK]

5 hours ago, hottesthw said:

James was clearly happy funding, and therefore in a way, controlling Rachel’s life while they were together. That’s on him, not her. She was the dumb one to spend so much time with that asshole. Ally seems to be enjoying the fruits of his labor too. She should pay close attention to all that’s happening now.

Cheating is cheating, and I find this situation no worse than what Ariana, Jax, Schwartz and Kristin have done in the past. Of course LVP didn’t need ratings back then.

I’ve always found Sandoval creepy and controlling too and I want to hear from Rachel after this all dies down, exactly what he was telling her all along. I 100% believe he was feeding her BS about Ariana, making himself out to be some sort of victim, in turn making her not give a shit so much about Ariana anymore. I would love to see a sit down between the two women in 6 months or so, so they can swap stories. I guarantee Toms sleeze-level increases tenfold. 

Rachel is also clearly medicated through all this filming. 

Sandoval told Raquel he was in an open relationship with Ariana in a jacuzzi after Coachella in April 2022 (this was revealed in the second part of the reunion by Scheana). So, that's one example of what he was telling her.

[ZettaK]

3 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Bravo to you!

What I think happened when all of this was going down is that Raquel grabbed Sheana's arm to try to explain. Whatever Raquel and Tom's plan was - it was not this and Raquel doesn't know how to react when it's off script. Raquel panicked - she did not want to lose Scheana - she really believed she could literally take Ariana's place - not just being Tom's girlfriend but also being Scheana's BFF ON THE SHOW

She put hands on Scheana first. I do think Scheana pushed her away and probably scratched her and not on purpose it's just those damn long fake nails. When Raquel grabbed her arm and Scheana reacted - that is not assault - it is an altercation between 2 parties that turned slightly physical.

This happened on March 1st and on March 3rd did you remember her showing Sandoval the mark? It was an itty bitty scratch on her eyebrow - that's not a punch.

Scheana never claimed that Raquel grabbed her, or did anything to her at any time (not even now). She admitted she shoved her, and threw her phone away on the show, and the media, but not that she punched her. She gives interviews with her attorney present to protect herself legally, and financially, something that is understandable, so she wants to present the incident as less serious. But as I mentioned before, nobody can secure a (permanent) restraining order without proof. 

Edited June 3, 2023 by ZettaK

[Gharlane]

On 5/31/2023 at 8:24 PM, hoodooznoodooz said:

"The Reunion, Part II". Andy Cohen presses Scheana for details of the altercation that led to Raquel's restraining order; the group debates the origins of the open relationship rumor; Raquel must face the group for the first time since news of the affair became public.

I finally got to watch this one. I got the feeling this was filler until Raquchel comes on stage in the next one.

How convenient that cameraman was in Raquchel's trailer when Sandoval dropped by to sneakily coach her! Sandoval wasn't happy about Patrick telling him they could not talk without someone recording them. Ha!

I pretty much was constantly rolling my eyes at LaLa's sad sad tale about how she was taken advantage of by Randal and the flashback to her saying they fucked on the first date, and she got a car as a reward confirmed my opinion. How does she manage to look so cheap when she "glams it up"? 

Wow, Arianna is in a lot of commercials! Way to leverage Scandoval!

DJ Muppet Baby either has a UTI or needs to have a prostate exam. What were the Toms talking about when they complained about him getting drunk and grabbing a woman's ass at one of their Atlantic City gigs?

Reading between the lines, it sounds to me like Tom and Arianna have been lying about their relationship and covering for each other awhile. Did they have an arrangement to not make the other look bad for "their brand"? I thought I heard Arriana threaten to spill the beans about something.

Ally seems like a nice girl and has nothing but good things to say about James, just like Raquchel. Hmm... 

Before Raquchel can take a seat, Schemer must retreat to her trailer, but not before giving Andy a gimmick gold record album. Heh.

My guess for the senses-shattering reveal in part three is that Raquchel was in a threesome with the Toms. 

 

 

[Maurina]

1 hour ago, DrSparkles said:

Re: Raquel & lack of expressing emotions: could it be her pageant training? Or is it  https://psychcentral.com/relationships/alexithymia-in-relationships#effects

Holy crap. I think you nailed it.

[hoodooznoodooz]

2 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Did you hear the part where after Scandoval broke, Brad was at Ariana's house sitting in the living room and Tom barged in and started screaming at them? He threatened to pull the TV off the wall because he bought it - meanwhile the TV wasn't even on.

Doucheoval has the nerve to say at the reunion that Ariana puts him down all the time and hints at her being cruel and abusive.

He lies about so much stuff! He lied about how Ariana wouldn’t let him have parties at their house. But Brad said he had attended many parties there.

Edited June 3, 2023 by hoodooznoodooz

[itsadryheat]

3 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

The Viall Files interview is good.

Second this. Brad's commentary is very credible as he witnessed and confirms a lot of what we've heard as he was scum's friend first.  He stated that he has changed a lot this year and that his friendship is over. It's relaxing to listen to anyone associated with this crew speak so clear and measured.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Someone on reddit pointed out that Sandoval said the same thing to Kristen, when he was trying to push her to move on with her life, “I will always love you….” while “sobbing.”

Edited June 3, 2023 by hoodooznoodooz

[KungFuBunny]

5 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Another reason Sandoval didn’t end things with Ariana is because people like Ariana. She opened doors for him. People tolerated him because they enjoyed spending time with her. 
 

The Viall Files interview is good. Ariana asked Brad if he wanted to join her and Sandoval on Valentine’s Day. Rachel asked if she could also join them. 

 

 

2 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

He lies about so much stuff! He lied about how Ariana wouldn’t let him have parties at their house. But Brad said he had attended many parties there.

 

1 hour ago, itsadryheat said:

Second this. Brad's commentary is very credible as he witnessed and confirms a lot of what we've heard as he was scum's friend first.  He stated that he has changed a lot this year and that his friendship is over. It's relaxing to listen to anyone associated with this crew speak so clear and measured.

I love, love, love that you both watched that interview.

The only thing I didn't agree with was Brad's thought that this was a sudden change in Tom - not a mid life crisis but something snapped.

I still think Tom did this (the creeping around cheating behind Ariana's back) without her knowing it for the entirety of their relationship.

[itsadryheat]

5 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Ariana asked Brad if he wanted to join her and Sandoval on Valentine’s Day. Rachel asked if she could also join them. 

5 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Brad has a personal phone video of Valentine's Day

“I actually did break up with her on Valentine’s Day,” Sandoval, 40, said during a Tuesday, April 11, appearance on the “Howie Mandel Does Stuff” podcast.

Man, this guy!!!

This whole thing has triggered my inner private investigator. So much FUN burning his lies. Midlife crisis my arse, we are watching televised karma. Can't wait for someone to put this all together and turn this reality show into a docudrama.

My chores and yardwork are suffering.

[KungFuBunny]

27 minutes ago, itsadryheat said:

“I actually did break up with her on Valentine’s Day,” Sandoval, 40, said during a Tuesday, April 11, appearance on the “Howie Mandel Does Stuff” podcast.

Man, this guy!!!

This whole thing has triggered my inner private investigator. So much FUN burning his lies. Midlife crisis my arse, we are watching televised karma. Can't wait for someone to put this all together and turn this reality show into a docudrama.

My chores and yardwork are suffering.

OMG!!!!!

 

[lili45]

6 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Did you hear the part where after Scandoval broke, Brad was at Ariana's house sitting in the living room and Tom barged in and started screaming at them? He threatened to pull the TV off the wall because he bought it - meanwhile the TV wasn't even on.

Doucheoval has the nerve to say at the reunion that Ariana puts him down all the time and hints at her being cruel and abusive.

This is absolutely nuts! Threatening to take TV off the wall?? Sandy has also completely exaggerated Ariana’s so called put downs. If telling your loved one of 9 years that the green sparkly pants are not great is interpreted as a put down, one is not able to be in a mature relationship. Get real Sandy. Friends tell friends their opinions. Get a grip.

 

 

[KungFuBunny]

10 minutes ago, lili45 said:

This is absolutely nuts! Threatening to take TV off the wall?? Sandy has also completely exaggerated Ariana’s so called put downs. If telling your loved one of 9 years that the green sparkly pants are not great is interpreted as a put down, one is not able to be in a mature relationship. Get real Sandy. Friends tell friends their opinions. Get a grip.

 

 

I think the reason Sandoval mentioned the Leprechauns R Us Pants is because he couldn't think of any one time where Ariana put him down. Those pants were the only thing he could come up with.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Some on reddit believe as soon as they opened TomTom, it really inflated Sandoval’s already massive ego. Also, the attention he received when he was touring with his band. There’s a very good chance he would have continued this arrangement for years, if Ariana had not looked at his camera roll. Ariana served a purpose. Rachel served another. He would continue to hook up with random fans. 
 

Edited June 4, 2023 by hoodooznoodooz

[KungFuBunny]

7 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Some on reddit believe as soon as they opened TomTom, it really inflated Sandoval’s already massive ego. Also, the attention he received when he was touring with his band. There’s a very good chance he would have continued this arrangement for years, if Ariana had not looked at his camera roll. Ariana served a purpose. Rachel served another. He would continue to hook up with random fans. 
 

I think hubris led to the affair being discovered. I think he's been cheating on Ariana since the beginning without her knowledge. I think with the success of the show and being able to get one over on someone smarter than him made him arrogant - he probably said to  himself...I've been doing this for 10 years and no one knows a thing - and that gave him the biggest rush

I've always believed he was not planning to ever break up with Ariana. The only way he would have done it is if Raquel's parents said we will write you a check for $10 million if you break up with Ariana and make Raquel your girlfriend on the show. Even then he'd break up with Ariana by saying listen, I really want to get married and have at least 2 kids and you don't so we should break up now....then he'd wait a little bit before publicly dating Raquel - his "image" on the show is important. He likes to be the "nice guy"

[lili45]

16 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Some on reddit believe as soon as they opened TomTom, it really inflated Sandoval’s already massive ego. Also, the attention he received when he was touring with his band. There’s a very good chance he would have continued this arrangement for years, if Ariana had not looked at his camera roll. Ariana served a purpose. Rachel served another. He would continue to hook up with random fans. 
 

Have you seen his shirtless posing when on stage? Completely egotistical!

1 minute ago, KungFuBunny said:

I think hubris led to the affair being discovered. I think he's been cheating on Ariana since the beginning without her knowledge. I think with the success of the show and being able to get one over on someone smarter than him made him arrogant - he probably said to  himself...I've been doing this for 10 years and no one knows a thing - and that gave him the biggest rush

I've always believed he was not planning to ever break up with Ariana. The only way he would have done it is if Raquel's parents said we will write you a check for $10 million if you break up with Ariana and make Raquel your girlfriend on the show. Even then he'd break up with Ariana by saying listen, I really want to get married and have at least 2 kids and you don't so we should break up now....then he'd wait a little bit before publicly dating Raquel - his "image" on the show is important. He likes to be the "nice guy"

Don’t forget his very important brand. Snark ;)

[KungFuBunny]

6 minutes ago, lili45 said:

Have you seen his shirtless posing when on stage? Completely egotistical!

Don’t forget his very important brand. Snark ;)

And....do you seriously think he'd ever change the A tattooed on his ass to an "R"

He'll keep the A, and we will all know it stands for Asshole now

[lili45]

Raquel’s issues are deep. Isn’t it strange how devoid of emotions she was during the reunion? How remorseless she was in conversations with Sandy?

Yet during the show, upon multiple occasions when she was sobbing and feeling low,  it was Ariana, Lala and Scheana who offered her comfort. Their comfort and care was genuine. 
So she is able to receive comfort, care, and compassion. But she cannot offer it.
 

Something is truly wrong…

[heatherchandler]

9 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Bravo to you!

What I think happened when all of this was going down is that Raquel grabbed Sheana's arm to try to explain. Whatever Raquel and Tom's plan was - it was not this and Raquel doesn't know how to react when it's off script. Raquel panicked - she did not want to lose Scheana - she really believed she could literally take Ariana's place - not just being Tom's girlfriend but also being Scheana's BFF ON THE SHOW

She put hands on Scheana first. I do think Scheana pushed her away and probably scratched her and not on purpose it's just those damn long fake nails. When Raquel grabbed her arm and Scheana reacted - that is not assault - it is an altercation between 2 parties that turned slightly physical.

This happened on March 1st and on March 3rd did you remember her showing Sandoval the mark? It was an itty bitty scratch on her eyebrow - that's not a punch.

That didn’t happen, that’s not how it was explained by anyone.

A scratch means she was attacked.  I’m not waiting for someone to scratch me harder or take it to another level the next time.  There is never ever ever a reason to scratch, push, or do anything physical to someone - ever.  
 

 

8 hours ago, lili45 said:

We simply stated “not ok,” noting the difference between right and wrong. Wasn’t referencing legal issues. Methinks we’re talking about two different things.

An eloquent post above highlighted the “right thing to do” vs the legal thing to do, ie when referencing someone’s pronouns. “She or He” may identify as they, though it may not be legal, but it is viewed as correct to call them as they identify.
But yes, when a person intentionally causes harmful contact with another person, the act is battery. ( www.law.Cornell.edu) Battery is an intentional tort. 
 

 

It’s wrong to sleep with a guy in a relationship, but I can sleep with 100 guys in relationships and nothing I’m doing is illegal.  I will not be in trouble with the law.  It’s the wrong thing to do, but it’s not illegal.  

And it’s still not ok to hurt me physically.  And if someone hurt me they would be in trouble with the law.  Hurting me is not legal NOR is it the right thing to do.

 

[KungFuBunny]

18 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

That didn’t happen, that’s not how it was explained by anyone

 

I don't think you can say "that didn't happen" as you weren't there

I said what I think happened - not having physically been at the scene.

As for it "that's not how it was explained by anyone"

I believe what Scheana said happened OVER the Douche & The Demon who have been lying about an affair for 8 months any day - every day - all day

 

[itsadryheat]

1 hour ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

There’s a very good chance he would have continued this arrangement for years

1 hour ago, KungFuBunny said:

I've always believed he was not planning to ever break up with Ariana.

Table for three. I agree, he never intended to trade Ariana for the failed pageant contestant. My vote is scumdoval wants to have his cake and eat it too.  For many reasons. Lets start with the big one, financial. Ariana is a financial partner, rachel is a load. The way he is throwing money around he may be able to buy out Ariana re the house. I also think rachel was good with the affair being outed. This may be a factor in her bland facial expressions while in the trailer. She is ready to move up.

 

[Jennifersdc]

9 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

I wonder if Ally will be able to persuade James to stopping using the word “fat.”

I hope so. But unfortunately it’s comedy gold at this point.

[princelina]

On 6/2/2023 at 9:09 AM, ZettaK said:

I want to know what Sandoval is going to answer when he is asked if he loves Raquel. I'm sure it's going to be something non committal.

It may be editing but his face in the commercials when he is asked that looks scared to death! 😂

On 6/2/2023 at 6:39 PM, Keywestclubkid said:

its super twisted .... we are being fed you should ALWAYS be Suspicious of your significant other and if you arnt then you are just asking for it.. who wants to go into a relationship with that mind set? no wonder so many fail 

It's totally twisted - it's also the way these guys (and gals) have always had "relationships" - so while we think it's insane, it's not insane to any of them.  "Get his passwords!"  "Oh I already have them!"  (Stassi's and Brittany's first conversation about Jax 😄)

13 hours ago, hottesthw said:

Cheating is cheating, and I find this situation no worse than what Ariana, Jax, Schwartz and Kristin have done in the past. Of course LVP didn’t need ratings back then.

I get why this is worse because of the longevity of the relationship and also because of the thing that seems to be forgotten during this scandal - that Raquel had spent several YEARS turning herself into the sweetheart of VDR, so now that she's coming off as some kind of sociopath it's rather shocking!  No one really expected anything else from Jax, etc. but I think we did expect more from her!

13 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

No one deserves to be hit, no one.

No one deserves it, but sometimes things happen that we don't deserve.  And sometimes it sucks (my sister dying of cancer last year at the age of 41) and sometimes it's completely understandable (Scheana lashing out at Raquel like that).  We could all spend all day talking about things happening to people that they don't "deserve" but sometimes that's how one learns.

Edited June 4, 2023 by princelina

[KungFuBunny]

25 minutes ago, itsadryheat said:

Table for three. I agree, he never intended to trade Ariana for the failed pageant contestant. My vote is scumdoval wants to have his cake and eat it too.  For many reasons. Lets start with the big one, financial. Ariana is a financial partner, rachel is a load. The way he is throwing money around he may be able to buy out Ariana re the house. I also think rachel was good with the affair being outed. This may be a factor in her bland facial expressions while in the trailer. She is ready to move up.

 

In upcoming reunion part 3, Raquel will try to recite the script Tom has given her. She'll fail at any debate...Tom failed and he has the advantage of one extra brain cell.

If you think about it, Raquel has the upper hand with Tom. She can tell him you better make me your girlfriend on the show or next season I will paint you as a liar who took advantage of me when I was with James. I will spill details or make up something that will make you a bigger monster on TV

[bravofan27]

On 6/2/2023 at 8:53 AM, Mr. Miner said:

He thinks he's so fucking cute, I just want to throat punch him.

His voice skeevies me. I like him best when he's angry and telling someone off because he's the most real and doesn't sound like a pedophile. The other times he tries to have this baby voice like he is so innocent and clueless. He actually is a pretty good looking guy-- if he could work on his personality and be more cool/ more confident and show himself more instead of hiding behind jokes and his loveable loser schtick he could be more successful and not need Sandoval so much for relevance. 

[KungFuBunny]

14 minutes ago, princelina said:

It may be editing but his face in the commercials when he is asked that looks scared to death! 😂

It's totally twisted - it's also the way these guys (and gals) have always had "relationships" - so while we think it's insane, it's not insane to any of them.  "Get his passwords!"  "Oh I already have them!"  (Stassi's and Brittany's first conversation about Jax 😄)

I get why this is worse because of the longevity of the relationship and also because of the thing that seems to be forgotten during this scandal - that Raquel had spent several YEARS turning herself into the sweetheart of VDR, so now that she's coming off as some kind of sociopath it's rather shocking!  No one really expected anything else from Jax, etc. but I think we did expect more from her!

No one deserves it, but sometimes things happen that we don't deserve.  And sometimes it sucks (my sister dying of cancer last year at the age of 41) and sometimes it's completely understandable (Scheana lashing out at Raquel like that).  We could all spend all day talking about things happening to people that they don't "deserve" but sometimes that's how one learns.

I'm so sorry for your loss, your sister was so young.

I think part of my shock in all this is how for 8 months she screwed Tom, she was also spending most of her free time hanging out with Ariana and others for girls nights as well as hanging out Ariana & Tom as a couple amongst other people.

If I were having an affair with a married man, no way in hell would I want to make that wife my friend or hang out with them as though I'm buddies with them as a couple. This is kookier than The Hand That Rocks The Cradle

 

[hoodooznoodooz]

Watching the season finale of season one. 
The only reason we didn’t realize how terrible the Toms were is because Jax pulled focus CONSTANTLY. 
 

Jax is trying to win Stassi back.

Stassi: I’m trying really, really hard to learn to trust you again.

Jax: I’m doing everything in my power this week to make sure - - I’m walking on eggshells…

[hoodooznoodooz]

We shouldn’t lay our hands on other people. We shouldn’t physically abuse other people.

The emotional abuse Rachel inflicted is exponentially worse than the scratch Scheana may have been responsible for. (Wasn’t Rachel also photographing the dark circles under her eyes - - always visible when she’s not covering them with concealer - - to provide evidence that Scheana had punched her?) But there is no physical evidence of emotional abuse, so there are no TROs for that kind of abuse.

I am inclined to believe that when Scheana reacted strongly to Rachel nonchalantly telling her that she and Sandoval have been having an affair for seven months, Rachel reached out for her arm, and Scheana pushed her away, because you don’t want someone that repulsive, heartless and devoid of compassion touching you.

[KungFuBunny]

24 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Watching the season finale of season one. 
The only reason we didn’t realize how terrible the Toms were is because Jax pulled focus CONSTANTLY. 
 

Jax is trying to win Stassi back.

Stassi: I’m trying really, really hard to learn to trust you again.

Jax: I’m doing everything in my power this week to make sure - - I’m walking on eggshells…

Yes, Jax was always the one who got caught. At least when he got caught, he fessed up and apologized. Jax and Stassi were in a serious relationship. After they broke up because he cheated...he didn't then try to paint Stassi as mentally unstable, suicidal, always put him down, she knew he wanted to break up, he tried to break up but she said she'd kill herself.

Let's do a pretend time warp, where VPR Jax/Stassi Kristen/Tom Katie/Tom and along comes a 28 year old Raquel. I think she'd go after Jax. Kristen and Tom were a miserable couple, Katie & Tom were a miserable couple. Though Jax cheated, Stassi was the Queen Bee of the group. Raquel would want Stassi's role as Queen Bee and all of the screen time they had as a couple - therefore choosing Jax.

[hoodooznoodooz]

1 minute ago, KungFuBunny said:

Yes, Jax was always the one who got caught. At least when he got caught, he fessed up and apologized. Jax and Stassi were in a serious relationship. After they broke up because he cheated...he didn't then try to paint Stassi as mentally unstable, suicidal, always put him down, she knew he wanted to break up, he tried to break up but she said she'd kill herself.

Let's do a pretend time warp, where VPR Jax/Stassi Kristen/Tom Katie/Tom and along comes a 28 year old Raquel. I think she'd go after Jax. Kristen and Tom were a miserable couple, Katie & Tom were a miserable couple. Though Jax cheated, Stassi was the Queen Bee of the group. Raquel would want Stassi's role as Queen Bee and all of the screen time they had as a couple - therefore choosing Jax.

I was TOTALLY thinking that while watching this episode!!! 

Stassi was the SUPREME QUEEN BEE of VPR. Rachel would have been frothing at the mouth to trade places with her.

It’s crazy watching Stassi sobbing, telling Jax that no one has ever betrayed her as much as Laura-Leigh. Can you imagine if Rachel had pulled the same stunt with Stassi?

Stassi: I want to stick red-hot iron pokers in her eyeballs. I want to cut off her limbs, inch by inch, with a chainsaw….

 

And, yes. Jax never tried to change everyone’s opinion and perception of Stassi. He was pretty honest about what a terrible boyfriend he was. He admitted on camera that he just tells women what they want to hear. 

[Gharlane]

1 hour ago, KungFuBunny said:

If you think about it, Raquel has the upper hand with Tom. She can tell him you better make me your girlfriend on the show or next season I will paint you as a liar who took advantage of me when I was with James. I will spill details or make up something that will make you a bigger monster on TV

I thought that's what Arriana was hinting at doing.

[KungFuBunny]

1 minute ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

I was TOTALLY thinking that while watching this episode!!! 

Stassi was the SUPREME QUEEN BEE of VPR. Rachel would have been frothing at the mouth to trade places with her.

It’s crazy watching Stassi sobbing, telling Jax that no one has ever betrayed her as much as Laura-Leigh. Can you imagine if Rachel had pulled the same stunt with Stassi?

Stassi: I want to stick red-hot iron pokers in her eyeballs. I want to cut off her limbs, inch by inch, with a chainsaw….

 

And, yes. Jax never tried to change everyone’s opinion and perception of Stassi. He was pretty honest about what a terrible boyfriend he was. He admitted on camera that he just tells women what they want to hear. 

Hoody-hoo I got in your brain 🤣

Here's another scenario. Let's pretend Raquel never had an affair with Tom. Let's also pretend that Katie/Tom were still married and Lala and Randall were still a happy couple. I, personally might have cheered Raquel on if she cheated with Schwartz or Randall because Katie & Lala have been Mean Girls to her. Raquel sticking it to her enemy is understandable.

Raquel sticking it to her friend, she literally stabbed Ariana in the heart and twisted the knife.

[lili45]

12 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

That didn’t happen, that’s not how it was explained by anyone.

A scratch means she was attacked.  I’m not waiting for someone to scratch me harder or take it to another level the next time.  There is never ever ever a reason to scratch, push, or do anything physical to someone - ever.  
 

 

It’s wrong to sleep with a guy in a relationship, but I can sleep with 100 guys in relationships and nothing I’m doing is illegal.  I will not be in trouble with the law.  It’s the wrong thing to do, but it’s not illegal.  

And it’s still not ok to hurt me physically.  And if someone hurt me they would be in trouble with the law.  Hurting me is not legal NOR is it the right thing to do.

 

Yes. It is wrong, particularly, to hurt someone intentionally, if that is indeed what transpired. I am not a Scheana fan. To me she offers nothing of interest and I’ve been consistent about it. She’s on the show because she was a friend of Pandora’s. Did She intentionally hurt R? Perhaps. Did she change her rendition of events? Maybe yes, maybe no.  What’s more indicative of Raquel’s real view of threat from Scheana is:

1- R completely blew off the court appearance (???), failed to appear.

2- R stated point blank that she regretted obtaining the TRO

3- R stated that she ought to have written S a personal letter.

So her own expression of personal regret for obtaining TRO is why this doesn’t appear to be all that serious.

Again, I’m not a Scheana fan who’s been scheming & scheming. Why was she present at so called “boys night out”? Did she orchestrate R’s joining? Did she change her story? Did she intentionally cause harm? Or was it accidental? In a sense  she did this to herself by allying herself blindly with R, and then feigning indignation that the script changed on her. Was it intentional? Or was it accidental? 

And R also did this all to herself by greatly deceiving someone (Ariana) who gleefully considered her a close friend, and by deceiving Scheana, and by deceiving most of the cast, and by deceiving the viewers with angel, victim, little miss innocent act.

Emotional heartbreak caused by friends and lovers can actually be far far worse than 1/4 inch scrapes. I’m personally focusing on the emotional aspects of betrayal not legal aspects. Those are for attorneys and courts to decide…

 

[lili45]

12 hours ago, princelina said:

It may be editing but his face in the commercials when he is asked that looks scared to death! 😂

It's totally twisted - it's also the way these guys (and gals) have always had "relationships" - so while we think it's insane, it's not insane to any of them.  "Get his passwords!"  "Oh I already have them!"  (Stassi's and Brittany's first conversation about Jax 😄)

I get why this is worse because of the longevity of the relationship and also because of the thing that seems to be forgotten during this scandal - that Raquel had spent several YEARS turning herself into the sweetheart of VDR, so now that she's coming off as some kind of sociopath it's rather shocking!  No one really expected anything else from Jax, etc. but I think we did expect more from her!

No one deserves it, but sometimes things happen that we don't deserve.  And sometimes it sucks (my sister dying of cancer last year at the age of 41) and sometimes it's completely understandable (Scheana lashing out at Raquel like that).  We could all spend all day talking about things happening to people that they don't "deserve" but sometimes that's how one learns.

I’m so very sorry for your loss…

[lili45]

12 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

In upcoming reunion part 3, Raquel will try to recite the script Tom has given her. She'll fail at any debate...Tom failed and he has the advantage of one extra brain cell.

If you think about it, Raquel has the upper hand with Tom. She can tell him you better make me your girlfriend on the show or next season I will paint you as a liar ..

Applause 👏 & laughter 😂 😹 

[lili45]

12 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

 

I think part of my shock in all this is how for 8 months she screwed Tom, she was also spending most of her free time hanging out with Ariana and others for girls nights as well as hanging out Ariana & Tom as a couple amongst other people.

If I were having an affair with a married man, no way in hell would I want to make that wife my friend or hang out with them as though I'm buddies with them as a couple. This is kookier than The Hand That Rocks The Cradle

 

And sobbing and crying whilst getting sympathy from Ariana!

Edited June 4, 2023 by lili45