S01.E22: Ohana

[thewhiteowl]

Whistler takes Ernie's  advice and makes a grand gesture in hopes of winning back Lucy

[MissLucas]

1 hour ago, thewhiteowl said:

Whistler takes Ernie's  advice and makes a grand gesture in hopes of winning back Lucy

Oh, for crying out loud *headdesk*

[Snazzy Daisy]

OMFG! 🤦🏻‍♀️

[Maverick]

 I basically just lost what respect I had built up for Whistler.   Also, Ernie, STFU and go whine some more about your keyboard...that you broke.

 "It sounds kind of silly when you put it that way."  You mean as opposed to calling it "The Group"?  Which sounds like some therapy group that meets in a church basement with stale doughnuts.

 Can everyone please just keep it in your pants while in the middle of a global situation that could lead to a world war?  "You mean I still have a chance?".  Do you mean of stopping a terrorists?  No, not if you keep spending your time quizzing Ernie if Lucy passed him a 'do you like her: yes or no' note in class.

 The end was very much like NCIS LA and SWAT.  Did CBS mandate a "we are family" ((tm) Sister Sledge) ending for their procedurals this year?

 I was surprised there was nothing about Maggie/Bao/China in the finale.    

[Linderhill]

On 5/22/2022 at 9:32 PM, MissLucas said:

Oh, for crying out loud *headdesk*

exactly my reaction, that was so eye roll worthy.  I almost turned it off with that cringey-ness.

[MerBearHou]

I could not possibly care LESS about Lucy and Whistler — shut up about it, show.  This was a horrible season finale.  

[Raja]

The question is will the show runners take input from fans or plow ahead blindly with a Lucy Whistler thing in season 2. Many productions have done that in the past. We had Jane with a ex and a mentor who broke bad, Kai and his father issue and our 'love story".

[milkyaqua]

Ha!  Agree about shows always managing to slip in relationship drama into possible leading into war situations.  I was fine with Lucy/Whistler being in a relationship when this show first started but the writing has not given me warm fuzzies and this finale was a bit cringe and I'm sorry but why would anyone take love advice from Ernie?

[blackwing]

I enjoyed the season finale.  I was fooled by the Scottish guy being the big bad, so kudos to the show for keeping it interesting and non-predictable.

I didn't mind the Lucy and Whistler scene.  I wasn't that invested in the two of them getting together but I either wanted it to happen or I wanted it to end permanently.  The constant "she betrayed me" / "what can I do to get her back" looks and tension in every single episode were just way too much.  Hopefully now, we don't have to see any of this next season.

Honestly, I was expecting Whistler to die in this episode.  Her character always seems a bit shoehorned into the episode and this would have been an easy solution.  Barring her dying, I was expecting Joe to die.  Would be nice to see him as a regular next season.

They brought in Boom Boom, Pike, Mr. Holman and Hina (who apparently is just a friend, not his sister) but they couldn't bring in the Fish and Wildlife woman for Kai?  Why didn't Mrs. Boone and the daughter get invited?  I would think that Jesse's daughter and Jane's son could be friends.  Why have we never seen Mrs. Boone?

Who was the agent that helped interrogate the bad doctor?  I felt like we are supposed to know this guy... is he on any of the other NCIS shows?

[Snazzy Daisy]

This season finale was kind of meh. Too much Whistler, too much Kacy for my liking. I didn’t even focus on who the bad guy was.

Wait, are Jane and Joe an item now or still friends with benefits? 🤔

Whistler’s singing desperately at the end has totally ruined the ohana moment for me. For S2, can Kacy relocate to DC with Whistler accepting a promotion or whatever?

All TV shippers should be happy now since their dream couples have finally kissed - Kacy (NCIS Hawaii), Chenford (The Rookie), Stris (SWAT), Miggy (Magnum PI) etc. Ugh! 🙄

[MerBearHou]

4 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

All TV shippers should be happy now since their dream couples have finally kissed - Kacy (NCIS Hawaii), Chenford (The Rookie), Stris (SWAT), Miggy (Magnum PI) etc. Ugh! 🙄

Common denominator for me — they’re all annoying and I wouldn’t miss them if they left my screen.

[preeya]

4 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

All TV shippers should be happy now since their dream couples have finally kissed - Kacy (NCIS Hawaii), Chenford (The Rookie), Stris (SWAT), Miggy (Magnum PI) etc. Ugh! 🙄

And Parker (NCIS) on a fake 2nd honeymoon with his ex-wife, which might be a total setup.

Just wondering what all the FBI's will have for their finales.

And you didn't mention the St. Olivia\Stabler\Barba (SVU) situation.

[Snazzy Daisy]

50 minutes ago, preeya said:

And Parker (NCIS) on a fake 2nd honeymoon with his ex-wife, which might be a total setup.

Just wondering what all the FBI's will have for their finales.

And you didn't mention the St. Olivia\Stabler\Barba (SVU) situation.

I stopped watching NCIS after Gibb left, cannot stand Gary Cole.

What? 😳 Since when Barba and St Olivia have a “thing”? I thought they’re good friends and Barba is gay! I stopped watching SVU after Barba left. And now he’s back again, full time?

I only watch FBI MW and has started seeing the emergence of “Remy and Kristin” shippers. 😣

I don’t know why Lucy’s relationship is so important and prominently featured in NCIS Hawaii when Kai and Jesse’s significant others are irrelevant. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Edited May 25, 2022 by SnazzyDaisy

[preeya]

53 minutes ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

I stopped watching NCIS after Gibb left, cannot stand Gary Cole.

I was never a fan of Gary Cole, however he's doing a very good job as head of Gibbs' team. That said, the finale was very underwhelming due to the fact they introduced his ex-wife into the mix, which IMO was a big mistake. It was the worst episode since he took over and not because of him.

Edited May 25, 2022 by preeya

[dwmarch]

I didn't hate the Lucy and Whistler drama but now that they've settled it I hope that's the last we see of it. I'd be okay with them just being a happy couple.

Count me in among the crowd that thinks the Fish and Wildlife crew should have been at that party. They did get name-dropped recently (Tenant said they owe her a favor) so I was hoping they'd appear. Looks like almost every other recurring character came back.

I had a feeling the real bad guy was going to be someone on the US side. These plots are Hawaii 5-0 plots that have been rinsed lightly and not quite dried and the "helpful good guy who is actually a bad guy" was a staple of theirs. Comes up often on The Equalizer too.

That new Navy SEAL character was good for what little screen time he had. I hope we see him again. I also liked that the extraction in Manila was local cops (or NCIS equivalent I guess) who then handed the target over to the US forces. Nice little detail there. 5-0 would have just hauled the guy off themselves, local jurisdiction be all kinds of damned.

All in all I'd say this show had a solid first season. I like all of the characters and I have enjoyed all the episodes so far. I hope this show sticks around for a while.

[Raja]

10 hours ago, dwmarch said:

That new Navy SEAL character was good for what little screen time he had. I hope we see him again. I also liked that the extraction in Manila was local cops (or NCIS equivalent I guess) who then handed the target over to the US forces. Nice little detail there. 5-0 would have just hauled the guy off themselves, local jurisdiction be all kinds of damned.

All in all I'd say this show had a solid first season. I like all of the characters and I have enjoyed all the episodes so far. I hope this show sticks around for a while.

I did assume a SEAL and not a NCIS agent because of how he was reacting to Captain Millius and not SAC Tennant. But did they actually ID the fit young man working with similar men from the Philippines forces as a SEAL?

I was thinking that anyone living there would much rather spend pre trial confinement detained by the US than in the Filipino jail conditions. But then you lose the ship scenes 

[Linderhill]

When Pippen the Hobbit showed up I figured there was something fishy about the character.  It was nice to see Sharif Atkins again in Hawaii, I remember when he was in the short lived series of that name.  I've liked him since I first saw him in ER.  I hope he's around more in the second season. 

I do hope they leave the Whistler/Lucy pseudo romance alone next season.  It was getting more and more cringey, that's for sure.  And this final scene was the worst.  I do wonder why we have to be subjected to that romance but the guys were pretty much neglected in that department.

[sskrill]

So as a non straight woman, I'm going to jump in here and mention thats its curious how negative the response is to the Lucy/Kate pairing.  I get that the writing is atrocious - its hard to believe these people are in a union and actually get paid to write shitty scenes like Whistler singing, but the F/F community is lucky to get one significant relationship per year, and here we are with nearly everyone complaining it should be written out. 

Anyway, I've never actually seen an NCIS show before as this isn't my usual interest, and I admittedly got sucked in to watching it by lesbian twitter yammering on about it.  It wasn't bad overall and I like most of the characters, but the writing is average at best, and I'm sure the romantic lives of all the other characters will be used as plot lines in upcoming episodes.  

I would tune in for at least a couple of episodes next season to see where the characters go.

[blackwing]

On 6/9/2022 at 1:03 AM, sskrill said:

So as a non straight woman, I'm going to jump in here and mention thats its curious how negative the response is to the Lucy/Kate pairing.  I get that the writing is atrocious - its hard to believe these people are in a union and actually get paid to write shitty scenes like Whistler singing, but the F/F community is lucky to get one significant relationship per year, and here we are with nearly everyone complaining it should be written out. 

Anyway, I've never actually seen an NCIS show before as this isn't my usual interest, and I admittedly got sucked in to watching it by lesbian twitter yammering on about it.  It wasn't bad overall and I like most of the characters, but the writing is average at best, and I'm sure the romantic lives of all the other characters will be used as plot lines in upcoming episodes.  

I would tune in for at least a couple of episodes next season to see where the characters go.

It seems you are saying "it's a bad pairing but at least it's representation".  I don't necessarily disagree.  I don't mind Lucy/Kate as much as others seem to, but my issue with them is that the pairing seems very unrealistic.  The only reason why these two are paired together is because they are two characters that exist in a limited universe on a TV show, and that they are both series regulars.

In real life, there's no way that Whistler, a beautiful 30ish year old high-powered whatever-she-is at the DoD/FBI/CIA (I forget which and I know it changed midway through the season) would be so stuck on Lucy for months after perhaps two dates.  She would have moved on instantly.

My biggest issue is that I think the Lucy character is a complete twit.  It's flabbergasting to me why Whistler would continue to chase her for so long.  Or that Lucy would hold a ridiculous grudge for so long.  So Whistler didn't tell Lucy that her ex-girlfriend was in town.  So what?  She didn't owe her anything.  They weren't committed to each other, they had been on two dates. 

The way the show kept dragging on this disagreement/misunderstanding/grudge was the really annoying part.  I'm glad that show seems to have resolved this and I hope we don't have to have continual relationship drama during the next season.  I hope they are settled and happy.

[Raja]

2 hours ago, blackwing said:

In real life, there's no way that Whistler, a beautiful 30ish year old high-powered whatever-she-is at the DoD/FBI/CIA (I forget which and I know it changed midway through the season)

She was a Defense Intelligence Agency analyst and in real like the FBI also wouldn't just take a direct transfer with a local assignment without going to Quantico. but they did avoid the franchise trope of agents from other federal law enforcement agencies joining NCIS for an interoffice romance. I think the transfer was done to give Whistler a gun and have a reason for her involvement in the more straight law enforcement as opposed to the espionage episodes.

[sskrill]

6 hours ago, blackwing said:

It seems you are saying "it's a bad pairing but at least it's representation".  I don't necessarily disagree.  The only reason why these two are paired together is because they are two characters that exist in a limited universe on a TV show, and that they are both series regulars.

In real life, there's no way that Whistler, a beautiful 30ish year old high-powered whatever-she-is at the DoD/FBI/CIA (I forget which and I know it changed midway through the season) would be so stuck on Lucy for months after perhaps two dates.  She would have moved on instantly.

My biggest issue is that I think the Lucy character is a complete twit.  It's flabbergasting to me why Whistler would continue to chase her for so long.  Or that Lucy would hold a ridiculous grudge for so long.  So Whistler didn't tell Lucy that her ex-girlfriend was in town.  So what?  She didn't owe her anything.  They weren't committed to each other, they had been on two dates. 

The way the show kept dragging on this disagreement/misunderstanding/grudge was the really annoying part.  I'm glad that show seems to have resolved this and I hope we don't have to have continual relationship drama during the next season.  I hope they are settled and happy.

I don't think we completely disagree in that your complaints are essentially about the writing too, which is awful.

We're kind of unclear about exactly what went down between them.  Apparently the first time was "2 nights 3 days" which was stupid phrasing - most people would say "we had a fling that lasted a couple of days" - again bad writing.  And "a few weeks on and off" which is also unclear.  But then Ernie said "that was a year and a half ago" so we don't really know how often they've been running in to each other, if not hooking up.

Cara wasn't the ex .. they were still together, which is what upset Lucy, so that makes sense.  What doesn't make sense is if their fling was meaningful are we saying they didn't at least text after Kate went home?  They make it sound like they didn't even exchange numbers. 

I like both characters, but I think Kate is somewhat unbelievable in her role.  She's a high acheiver but she doesn't exactly have the emotional fortitude to move up through the ranks of what I would imagine to be a very competitive pool of coworkers.  Her personality is more analyst than field agent.

I guess at the end of the day my thought is how are these people professional writers?  They don't seem to be all that skilled - the only character who seems well written to me is Kai.  And maybe Neal and BoomBoom. 

And that Jesse guy can't act for shit.

[transitfan]

17 hours ago, Raja said:

She was a Defense Intelligence Agency analyst and in real like the FBI also wouldn't just take a direct transfer with a local assignment without going to Quantico. but they did avoid the franchise trope of agents from other federal law enforcement agencies joining NCIS for an interoffice romance. I think the transfer was done to give Whistler a gun and have a reason for her involvement in the more straight law enforcement as opposed to the espionage episodes.

Wouldn't she have had to go to FLETC (sp?) to become an FBI agent?

[Raja]

On 7/26/2022 at 7:00 AM, transitfan said:

Wouldn't she have had to go to FLETC (sp?) to become an FBI agent?

The FBI and DEA run their own academies in Quantico Virginia. Most other federal agents and police start at FLETC in Georgia and then branch off for specialist training from their agency.

Edited July 27, 2022 by Raja

[StarBrand]

On 5/24/2022 at 9:04 AM, Raja said:

The question is will the show runners take input from fans or plow ahead blindly with a Lucy Whistler thing in season 2. Many productions have done that in the past. We had Jane with a ex and a mentor who broke bad, Kai and his father issue and our 'love story".

Based on season two's premiere, I would say it's the later...

The Lucy/Whistler thing is something straight out of high school "does she like me" "should I do this to impress her" "i'm going to be passive/agressive because she doesn't like me".

Double and triple UGH.

The thing is, with Lucy, and, especially, Whistler, left to actually do their jobs, they actually appear competent and mature. Put them together, or make them think about each other, and they immediately get stupid.

[StarBrand]

On 6/9/2022 at 2:03 AM, sskrill said:

So as a non straight woman, I'm going to jump in here and mention thats its curious how negative the response is to the Lucy/Kate pairing.  I get that the writing is atrocious - its hard to believe these people are in a union and actually get paid to write shitty scenes like Whistler singing, but the F/F community is lucky to get one significant relationship per year, and here we are with nearly everyone complaining it should be written out. 

Anyway, I've never actually seen an NCIS show before as this isn't my usual interest, and I admittedly got sucked in to watching it by lesbian twitter yammering on about it.  It wasn't bad overall and I like most of the characters, but the writing is average at best, and I'm sure the romantic lives of all the other characters will be used as plot lines in upcoming episodes.  

I would tune in for at least a couple of episodes next season to see where the characters go.

The fandom (and myself) complain about the Lucy/Whister pairing because, yes, it is written very badly, and the characters do not relate to each other as adults, and become outright stupid around each other. Every Lucy/Whister interaction this year has featured some sort of romantic/sexual connotation, with each one dancing around in words never saying what they mean, or being passive-aggressive.  (Granted, this happens with a lot of onscreen will-they-won't-they couples. I cite Castle, especially, as a prime example of this.)

 I would imagine the F/F community would prefer seeing a well written relationship on TV, than have a bad one written atrociously just so they could say "hey, this show has one too!".  To wit, check out the Alex Danvers/Maggie Sawyer relationship development on "Supergirl". That one was handled WAY better, and actually served to have a character have growth as a person.

The Lucy/Whistler thing drags both characters down like an anchor.   That's what I imagine bugs a lot of people.  Peaple are throwing no more dislike at them, than they would for any other awfully written pairing.

One good thing I have noticed about the Lucy/Whistler thing is that absolutely no one in the show has any type of hang-ups, or issues at all with either Lucy or Whistler's sexuality.  That's a good thing.  Lucy's collegues were surprised at who she was dating, but that was it.

Edited September 23, 2022 by StarBrand

[StarBrand]

Aside from issues with Lucy and Whistler, I'm slightly more sold on Jane and the Captain.  Slightly.  I like the Joe character well enough when he appears, he's a likeable kinda guy, one you'd probably have fun hanging out with.  But his dialouge with Jane, while intending to sound romantic, verges into arrogant "I'm the shit, and you should see me as such" territory.  Jane was saying something about being worried, and Joe was immediately like "you mean, worried about me", and she said she was worried about the whole situation getting out of control (and I'm inclined to believe she was telling the truth about that), and Joe was still like..."and about me." That's cringy, and verging on creepy.

A lot of TV relationships see the characters go immediately from "hey, I like you, wanna go out/have sex"?, to "I feel SO MUCH for you, we have something SPECIAL going on here!!"....with little, if anything, shown in between to show why they feel so besottled.

Edited September 23, 2022 by StarBrand
had more to say than I thought

[StarBrand]

On 7/25/2022 at 2:00 PM, blackwing said:

My biggest issue is that I think the Lucy character is a complete twit.  It's flabbergasting to me why Whistler would continue to chase her for so long.  Or that Lucy would hold a ridiculous grudge for so long.  So Whistler didn't tell Lucy that her ex-girlfriend was in town.  So what?  She didn't owe her anything.  They weren't committed to each other, they had been on two dates. 

Exactly. Lucy's resentment towards Whistler is completely at odds with the stage they are in the relationship-if it ever were that.  If I were Whistler, I'd run for this hills from this type of woman, because I'd be seeing red flags all over the place.

One thing I don't think anyone's mentioned is that Lucy appeared to resent Whistler wanting to keep displays of affection out of public view.   Some people just don't feel confortable with that, at least not right away.  And a person like Whistler might not want to be publicly "outed", if ever, and would have dozens of legit reasons for not doing so.  And Lucy appeared like she wanted to force the issue on both fronts.  I hate when characters do this to love interests in TV shows, especially when it pertains to the characters' sexuality.  Not wanting to announce your gender romantic preference aloud to the world immediately, or ever, is often seen as being "cowardly".  Not so. 

For me, if I had requested a lover to keep certain things about me and my life from being known to anyone else, and they bulldozed through my request and did it anyway, as far as I'm concerned that's a game ender for the relationship.

Edited September 23, 2022 by StarBrand

[StarBrand]

And why was dude (forgot his name) telling Whistler the way to get Lucy back was to make a grand gesture. Really?  Why should she make so much effort?  Lucy should be trying to prove to Whistler that she's worth the trouble.  And worse, Whistler was compelled to do so in front of EVERYONE.  Almost as if Lucy would not accept such a gesture any other way.  And why the hell would he say things between Lucy and Mini-Putt Girl were over? (That mini-putt glowing course looked neat BTW)  How the hell would he know?  He probably didn't, he was just saying that to push Whistler to pursue Lucy again.

Lucy must be absolutely unbelievable in bed, because Whistler's continuous pursuit of her doesn't make any sense to me.

Edited September 23, 2022 by StarBrand
spelling is good