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S02.E05: Boogie Knight

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Bill C.

Bill C.

Equal-opportunity tentacle rape and Eric Winter rocking a full-on pornstache (and since we were wondering if Dash has existed in prior incarnations, this answered that in a big way...while also reinforcing that he's always the "bad" guy in the Triangle of Doom) were definitely the highlights of this episode.  Dash playing God via reckless magic use was a close third since, yup, he's definitely the new Ingrid--complete with Ingrid advising him on how she messed up in the past defying death, i.e. resurrecting Wendy.

 

Okay, and there was Joanna's hot ex-girlfriend.  That was a little surprising.

blugirlami21

blugirlami21

That was an interesting episode. I knew Ingrid was the mate as soon as it was mentioned but I wish they had gone a different route. Having them be permanently connected is a cop out.

Dash is def Ingrid 2.0 and I can't stand Ingrid lecturing him as if she learned anything about not misusing her magic when she did it not that long ago. Is Dash dead? I didn't expect the mandragora to attack him like that.

I loved Freya's storyline with Killian and 70s Dash. Who looked ridiculous btw. I still want them to be together so its disheartening that she has given up on them when he's clearly being manipulated by Eva. I hate that she's so blind to it when its obvious that his feelings for her disappeared overnight.

I hate that as witches they are so strong but so very weak at the same time.

I knew that Alex must have been Joanna's lover. She was a little too angry for it to be just a broken friendship. Still no explanation for how immortal Victor died but I digress.

Bill C.

Bill C.

I don't think they'll ever go into any serious detail about how immortality, or whatever extremely limited form of it applies to Joanna and Victor (and Alex and Penelope), works on this show.  Except for Jonathan the lawyer back in S1, they've never even used the word.  I guess it's just a cliche: magic-users tend to have unusually long lifespans, after all, but they can still be killed.

Bill C.

Bill C.

Ooh, Sarah played through this week. :)  Kind of surprised there weren't more peen jokes, though after "Peena'vi" it's all downhill...and now that we've finally seen the damn thing thanks to that publicity photo used for the Show-o-Matic article (which is almost an order of magnitude brighter than the scene in the actual damn show--come on, Lifetime!), I can actually appreciate what they are/were going for with it.  Maybe minus the hair.

 

Since there's no way on earth this show's going to kill Ingrid off, though; how long are they going to have everybody chasing and/or trying to find a way to stop Mr. Tentacle without hurting his boo?

Lindsey

Lindsey

I realize these geniuses do magic right in front of the civilians all the time (it's a Show-A-Matic category for a reason) but if Dash doesn't come under investigation after he walked out of a perfectly stable patient's room seconds before that patient seized up and died, this show and I are going to have a problem. He practically announced that he was going in there over the PA system, he could not have been acting sketchier if he'd been sampling some leftover magic coke, and he was standing over the guy chanting in front of a window and an open door with a cop and a bunch of nurses standing right there.

If this fool learns nothing else about magic, someone please teach him to close the damn door!

txhorns79

txhorns79

I realize these geniuses do magic right in front of the civilians all the time (it's a Show-A-Matic category for a reason) but if Dash doesn't come under investigation after he walked out of a perfectly stable patient's room seconds before that patient seized up and died, this show and I are going to have a problem.

 

I guess my question would be, if Dash used magic to kill the guy, what exactly would show up in his autopsy, etc. to make someone suspicious?  

 

 

I'm surprised Wendy wasn't picking up the couples vibe with Joanna and Monster hunter lady.

 

Yeah, I kind of call BS in that Wendy didn't pick up on anything.   I mean, Joanna is supposed to be how old, and you are telling me she never took a lady lover before?  I mean, I understand the 70s were a hedonistic time, but it doesn't seem like someone Joanna's age just wakes up one day and decides she's into women. 

Bort

Bort

I guess my question would be, if Dash used magic to kill the guy, what exactly would show up in his autopsy, etc. to make someone suspicious?  

Yeah, that's how I see it. Doesn't matter if Dash looked suspicious as all hell, the autopsy will show the guy died of cancer he "apparently" didn't know he had and no one is going to think anything further.

RachelKM

RachelKM

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This show is stupid.  However, I found that watching this episode as a spoof totally worked.  I'm glad they found a use for Jenna's dancing, it was delightful.  That said, the flashbacks were so silly.   Bobby!Killian being his boring, chiseled jawed self, Not!Dash as a literal Scarface (seriously, he had a motherfucking scar... on his face), and Disco!Freya magicking coke and the dance floor was the best.

 

I won't be too hard on Idiot Ingrid giving Dash, or Freya for that matter, warnings about the hazards of spells you for which don't know the consequences despite her flat learning curve.  Because, while she is still an idiot, she knows the death thing and the past life thing well. And of course Dash hears "the wrong ones always survive" and goes all judge/jury/executioner.  I guess he got his though getting his ass kicked by Ingrid and then ear raped by tentacle man.  

 

It's funny, despite all the shitty things Dash has done in this life and apparently in the past, I still like him and cannot give a fuck about Killian.  I saw his wife magic drugging him and thought, "meh."   Not only do I not care about her keeping the (most chemistry free ever) OTP apart, but I can't seem to get sufficiently worked up that she is apparently love-potion raping him... This show has consent issues.

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iMonrey

iMonrey

Disco Dash! That had to be the highlight of the episode. What the hell did they do to his hair? Eric Winter looked even more like a serial killer than usual. Ironically, Disco Killian didn't look that different. He had some sideburns glued on but the hair was pretty much the same as it is in present day, and  covered the mutton chops. The really didn't do much to make Freya look 70's. They could have given her a killer Farrah Fawcett blowout. I also love how "beads in the doorway" embody the 70s. 

 

I'm still confused how all these witches came to our world - are they all from Asgard? We saw the flashback where Joanna, Wendy, Ingrid, Freya and Victor came through the portal. When the hell did all these other witches come through a portal? How many portals are there?

 

I'm not confident about this show's chances for a third season - it seems like Lifetime is bending over backwards to promote The Lottery, and they're not even showing previews for the next week's episodes anymore. Instead we get previews for the upcoming Lottery episode. Hello, it's just about the start! I don't need a preview for an episode just about to start, I want a preview for next week's Witches of East End, Lifetime!

GaT

GaT

Finally got around to watching this. Ingrid once again spent the entire episode like she was in a different show, I guess they'll finally get her back involved with the other people now that the big <sarcasm>"surprise"</sarcasm> of her being the mate is out. I could have done without the whole '70s story, it was only an excuse for Jenna to dance. I don't even want to discuss the stupidity of Freya magically putting herself to sleep in the stockroom of a bar.

RachelKM

RachelKM

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Does Jenna Dewan Tatum have some kind of dancing background I'm unaware of? Frankly I'd never heard of her before this show.

She was a professional dancer before transitioning to acting and her first few movie roles (including Step Up during the filming of which she met Channing Tatum) were dance movies in which she played a dancer. 

 

ETA:  But you gave us a link GaT ;-)

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GaT

GaT

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Does Jenna Dewan Tatum have some kind of dancing background I'm unaware of? Frankly I'd never heard of her before this show.

 

 

She started out as a backup dancer, & was the female lead in the first Step Up movie (where she also met her husband who was the male lead), so she definitely has a dance background.

 

Edit: Posted the same time as RachelKM :-)

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txhorns79

txhorns79

The really didn't do much to make Freya look 70's. They could have given her a killer Farrah Fawcett blowout.

 

I thought they did give her a "Farrah" look.  It may have been harder to tell because her present-day style during the episode was kind of a huge mess and she has such dark hair. 

 

 

I'm still confused how all these witches came to our world - are they all from Asgard? We saw the flashback where Joanna, Wendy, Ingrid, Freya and Victor came through the portal. When the hell did all these other witches come through a portal? How many portals are there?

 

I want to say that in the twincest episode there was some suggestion that opening the portal to our world was not all that difficult (it just may not open in the same place every time), it was getting back to Asgard that was difficult. 

snakenax

snakenax

With the twins it was mentioned that banishment to Earth was the punishment for undesirables and since you require a key, be it serpent or Ingrid, to get back they were all stuck there(and with the two keys on our side of the portal, Asgard couldn't open it after the Beauchamp family came through). Being the undesirables would explain why all the other witches we've seen have been kind of creepy or weird(besides Alex, but I could easily see her exile being political).

Mabinogia

Mabinogia

I'm confused about why Dash and Killian keep getting reborn but unlike Ingrid and Freya, have different names each time? Are they from Asgard too? I'm thinking no though their mom was originally (well, last lifetime ago or whatever) Athena so maybe they are from Olympus lol

 

Seriously, this shit makes no sense, but I have to admit, I kind of love it. Not so much this ep because all things Freya and Killian bore me to tears but the other stuff was good.

GaT

GaT

I'm confused about why Dash and Killian keep getting reborn but unlike Ingrid and Freya, have different names each time? Are they from Asgard too? I'm thinking no though their mom was originally (well, last lifetime ago or whatever) Athena so maybe they are from Olympus lol

 

Seriously, this shit makes no sense, but I have to admit, I kind of love it. Not so much this ep because all things Freya and Killian bore me to tears but the other stuff was good.

I'm going to put some info in the show vs book thread.

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adam807

adam807

I think the guys are being reincarnated in the more traditional sense. Ingrid and Freya are always versions of ingrid and Freya, even though they have no memory of it. Ingrid said Dash isn't even always in her past lives, and he and Killian aren't always brothers. What doesn't make sense to me is that this means they would always die young, at about the same rate as Ingrid and Freya, which is part of the girls' curse and shouldn't apply to the guys.

Jordan27

Jordan27

I don't think they'll ever go into any serious detail about how immortality, or whatever extremely limited form of it applies to Joanna and Victor (and Alex and Penelope), works on this show.  Except for Jonathan the lawyer back in S1, they've never even used the word.  I guess it's just a cliche: magic-users tend to have unusually long lifespans, after all, but they can still be killed.

On most shows about magic, they never go into detail about immortality, the limits of the magic or their total powers.  The reason is so they can write their way out of almost any situation.  It's just like on Star Trek or space shows, they are always reconfiguring something to solve a dire situation.

 

And WOEE is no different.  People may die, spells can't be reversed and other assorted calamities, but they always come up with something or someone we didn't know about to come to the rescue.  It's the deux ex machina of magic shows. 

 

I'm waiting for Wendy, with no more lives left, dying, and then being magically resurrected.

Happytobehere

Happytobehere

(and since we were wondering if Dash has existed in prior incarnations, this answered that in a big way...while also reinforcing that he's always the "bad" guy in the Triangle of Doom)

I hope this turns out to be a red-herring for a number of reasons:

1) I kind of like Dash.

2) I actually really like Dash and Ingrid as a couple and hope they make is and not as the evil plotty couple, but as the basically good couple who love one another and belong together.

3) The only way I can take Ingrid is in this pairing and since I think she is fundamentally a better person than little miss hot bottom, I will support what makes her work. (Is it just me or does the actress who plays Ingrid look to be 40ish?).

4) Killian just bugs both in terms of acting and as a character. I'm sorry, but someone who hoes after his brother's finance without the least in terms or qualms, doubt, or remorse cannot be the "good guy" the show is trying to convince us he is.

5) I hate when the innocently scorned person in a triangle is made the villain to justify the twu luv of the parties who wronged him.

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missbonnie

missbonnie

I loved the dance scene in the beginning, but then I loved her dancing in Step Up. This show doesn't need to make sense for me to like it. It serves as one of my escape from reality shows. However, if I had to pick one character to get rid of, it would definitely be Ingrid. Didn't like her last season and still don't have much use for her this year.

magicdog

magicdog

 

I'm sorry, but someone who hoes after his brother's finance without the least in terms or qualms, doubt, or remorse cannot be the "good guy" the show is trying to convince us he is.

 

This.  One of the greatest acts of betrayal is when a family member messes around with the SO, finance or spouse of that relative - especially if that relative is a sibling.  Killian was wrong to mess with Dash's lovers and there has been no remorse;  Dash is right to be pissed at him;  if it had happened to me, it would be unforgivable. 

 

I'm curious how they are going to deal with the "star crossed" love issue with Killian and Freya.  Maybe he IS the one who will destroy her after all, and not Dash.  Otherwise there would have to be a way to "make it work" this time. 

 

I'm also curious about Ingrid and Dash.  She went down a dark road when her past self was messing around with his grandfather back in 1906.  Who's to say that won't be happening again?

GaT

GaT

Killian just bugs both in terms of acting and as a character. I'm sorry, but someone who hoes after his brother's finance without the least in terms or qualms, doubt, or remorse cannot be the "good guy" the show is trying to convince us he is.

 

 

This.  One of the greatest acts of betrayal is when a family member messes around with the SO, finance or spouse of that relative - especially if that relative is a sibling.  Killian was wrong to mess with Dash's lovers and there has been no remorse;  Dash is right to be pissed at him;  if it had happened to me, it would be unforgivable. 

 

 

This plot is taken directly from the books, & without going into it all, it's all because Freya can't make up her mind. I have no idea how the show is going to handle this in the future, but how the story ends up in the books makes me feel stabby.

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