S41.E06: Ready to Play Like a Lion

[blackwing]

20 hours ago, Hera said:

That said, I don't love this twist because fundamentally, I don't think immunity from the vote should be something that can be taken away by another player. That completely goes against what it's meant to have immunity in the past. But my quarrel is with the producers for introducing the change, not with Erika for taking advantage of it (if she does).

Well, this is Jeffy's season of "NEW AND EXCITING AND NEVER BEFORE SEEN TWISTS", so I would think that anything goes.  If you're talking about what it's like to have "immunity in the past", then I think we have to consider whether any past season have had the tribes merge into one and then have half of them be granted immunity.  I don't think that has happened before?  Someone please chime in if it has, there were a number of seasons that I never watched.

As it is, King Jeffy has decreed that half of them will have immunity because of the reward challenge, and half will have to compete for individual immunity.  That's different from the normal merge scenario where everyone will have to compete for individual immunity.

Also, taking away immunity is something that has definitely happened in the past.  There was that Idol Nullifier in at least one recent season.  I believe Dan Rengering exited the game because he played his idol and then someone nullified it with some then-new advantage.

[ProfCrash]

I think it would have been better if the winning tribe could choose between the feast or immunity. The losing tribe got what the winning tribe didn't choose. That would have been fun to watch.

[Chicago Redshirt]

On 10/31/2021 at 10:38 AM, Jobiska said:

Re Shan/Ricard:  Hard to parse during her irrational arguing, but wasn't she saying "you promised to give it back and you didn't?" when she herself had promised to not ask for it back till the next day?  So she was the one going back on her promise?  Argh!  

I don't remember all the twists and turns of the argument, but I think Shan might have asked for the advantage back immediately after tribal, and Ricard reminded her that he said he would give it back to her the next day. After that point, it seemed to me, Shan did wait till the next day to renew her calls for it back, and Ricard hemmed and hawed a bunch before ultimately giving it back.

I don't think Shan made a promise to not ask for it back until the next day that she broke by asking about it at tribal, as such. Or at least, if she did, it's not a broken promise that justifies Ricard potentially breaking his promise to give it back. 

If he had said, "Sorry, finders keepers, losers weepers" he would have of course been fully justified in doing so.  

[Hera]

5 hours ago, blackwing said:

If you're talking about what it's like to have "immunity in the past", then I think we have to consider whether any past season have had the tribes merge into one and then have half of them be granted immunity.  I don't think that has happened before?  Someone please chime in if it has, there were a number of seasons that I never watched

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Also, taking away immunity is something that has definitely happened in the past.  There was that Idol Nullifier in at least one recent season.  I believe Dan Rengering exited the game because he played his idol and then someone nullified it with some then-new advantage.

They've definitely messed with the merge before, albeit not in the specific way, but enough times and in enough ways that I'm not offended by mergatory. There have also definitely been previous tribal councils where more than one person has been immune from having their names written down.

As for the Idol Nullifier, that sucks, but I'm less bothered by that because hidden immunity idols have some risk built into their use—you have to play one at the just the right time for it to be effective. I didn't watch that season, and based on what the Survivor Wikia says, I can't say I'd be a fan of its return, but I'm less offended by the idea that a hidden immunity idol might not end up guaranteeing someone's safety because it already doesn't.

I don't think there's a precedent for someone being told by Jeff that they'll be immune from the vote at the next tribal council and then having that immunity taken away from them by another player. On the other hand, I suppose you could argue that since it's now the merge, and no one on the Danny/Deshawn/Sydney/Evvie/Ricard/Naseer team won an individual immunity challenge, the show is still being consistent with regard to immunity. Hopefully there will be no twist where someone can take or nullify the immunity necklace.

[DEL901]

4 hours ago, Hera said:

They've definitely messed with the merge before, albeit not in the specific way, but enough times and in enough ways that I'm not offended by mergatory. There have also definitely been previous tribal councils where more than one person has been immune from having their names written down.

As for the Idol Nullifier, that sucks, but I'm less bothered by that because hidden immunity idols have some risk built into their use—you have to play one at the just the right time for it to be effective. I didn't watch that season, and based on what the Survivor Wikia says, I can't say I'd be a fan of its return, but I'm less offended by the idea that a hidden immunity idol might not end up guaranteeing someone's safety because it already doesn't.

I don't think there's a precedent for someone being told by Jeff that they'll be immune from the vote at the next tribal council and then having that immunity taken away from them by another player. On the other hand, I suppose you could argue that since it's now the merge, and no one on the Danny/Deshawn/Sydney/Evvie/Ricard/Naseer team won an individual immunity challenge, the show is still being consistent with regard to immunity. Hopefully there will be no twist where someone can take or nullify the immunity necklace.

An idol did guarantee immunity the first season it was used in the game.  You used it masterfully since he didn’t have to decide to use the idol until AFTER the votes were read. 

[azshadowwalker]

On 10/27/2021 at 7:40 PM, LanceM said:

Why? The women on the Yase tribe did join together to start voting out all the men. Are the other men on the tribe just supposed to ignore this and let it happen?

I don't have a problem with Danny, but this obsession is fucking dumb. When men want to "keep the strength" by voting out women or just join together because they're "bros" (like Danny, DeShawn and Naseer, for example), no one thinks anything of it. 

[Hootis]

Skim skim skim.....Mergatory. Mergatory?

 

[mythoughtis]

On 10/30/2021 at 1:07 PM, Chicago Redshirt said:

Skin color is no more rational or irrational a basis to use as an item to seek and assess potential allies or enemies than gender, religion, region of the country, profession or any of the other criteria we have seen Survivors base alliances on in the past and no doubt see them base alliances in the future.

It's just more potentiallly distasteful to hear people say "we whites/blacks should stick together" than it is to hear people say "we women/men should stick together" or "we cops should stick together" or the like. 

This is was what I was going to say. 

[mythoughtis]

On 11/1/2021 at 1:40 PM, Chicago Redshirt said:

I don't remember all the twists and turns of the argument, but I think Shan might have asked for the advantage back immediately after tribal, and Ricard reminded her that he said he would give it back to her the next day. After that point, it seemed to me, Shan did wait till the next day to renew her calls for it back, and Ricard hemmed and hawed a bunch before ultimately giving it back.

I don't think Shan made a promise to not ask for it back until the next day that she broke by asking about it at tribal, as such. Or at least, if she did, it's not a broken promise that justifies Ricard potentially breaking his promise to give it back. 

If he had said, "Sorry, finders keepers, losers weepers" he would have of course been fully justified in doing so.  

I’m really tired of the whole ‘ I  will let  you hold my idol/ advantage as a show of trust’.  The idol should belong to whomever found it and if given away is permanently given away. No temporary holds.  
 

I’m also tired of people who agree to hold the idol/ advantage temporarily and then argue about giving it back or when to give it back.  Those people should  get voted off at the next opportunity and shunned by the giver until that vote. Heck, maybe they should just escorted out of the game immediately. 

[watchingtvaddict]

33 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

I’m really tired of the whole ‘ I  will let  you hold my idol/ advantage as a show of trust’.  The idol should belong to whomever found it and if given away is permanently given away. No temporary holds.  
 

I’m also tired of people who agree to hold the idol/ advantage temporarily and then argue about giving it back or when to give it back.  Those people should  get voted off at the next opportunity and shunned by the giver until that vote. Heck, maybe they should just escorted out of the game immediately. 

I remember a few seasons back there was an idol or advantage with power that couldn't be transferred. Egg on the face of the player when they tried to play the advantage at tribal and Jeff told them to read the instructions 😂