Only Speculation Without Spoilers In the Thread

[cardigirl]

5 hours ago, GaT said:

No she doesn't, but she does seem like someone who could accidentally stab someone & find herself in a lot of trouble she never planned on.

How does one "accidentally" stab an old woman eight times?

[GaT]

40 minutes ago, cardigirl said:

How does one "accidentally" stab an old woman eight times?

Whoops,  I kinda forgot about the 8 times, LOL

[Emcber]

48 minutes ago, cardigirl said:

How does one "accidentally" stab an old woman eight times?

“She ran into my knife. She ran into my knife eight times. 🎶 She had it coming..” 😂

[grandmabegum]

I'm a little scared that the killer may be Amy Schumer. She wants to be a story teller by turning the podcast into a series and she wants to play Jan. She did move into the building before Bunny was killed as Bunny mentions the renovations in the board meeting. Zero idea what her motive would be for killing Bunny though.

[FGomez]

I will keep going with my theory of two crimes happening at the same time. And the murder foiled the robbery.

MOTIVES. These are the two motives we know to kill Bunny: (1) the suspicious business with the building and (2) the painting. Somebody wanted that painting, there was a "Bunny Folger, I want that painting" note, but also the phone call and the "I don't want to talk about the painting, stop calling!" answer by Bunny.

I hope that posting these images is OK.

If you look at where the arms start, I think that the one from the camera in the bar is a broad-shouldered man. I think it is the killer and he is Nan Lin's lover and he killed Bunny to make the business with the building and that he tried to frame the trio.

The second one I think is a woman in a very padded costume and she has in reality broader hips than shoulders. But I chose the best frame to support my point, I am far from sure. She was at the passage to pick the painting, but the robbery was frustrated so she had to retrace her steps empty-handed.

In addition, the woman in the passage cannot be the killer because you can hear the shout and the parrot, and immediately she appears on the scene. No time to walk Bunny to Mabel's apartment and kill her

[dovegrey]

16 minutes ago, FGomez said:

I will keep going with my theory of two crimes happening at the same time. And the murder foiled the robbery.

MOTIVES. These are the two motives we know to kill Bunny: (1) the suspicious business with the building and (2) the painting. Somebody wanted that painting, there was a "Bunny Folger, I want that painting" note, but also the phone call and the "I don't want to talk about the painting, stop calling!" answer by Bunny.

I think it's a great theory that the painting is unrelated to the murder, and I keep coming back to that, too - only I can't get around that the painting ended up neatly hung in Charles' apartment. To me, that almost has to tie the painting and murder together. Why would the art thief give the painting to a man implicated in the murder of the painting's owner (even if they realized it was a fake)?

Another motive would be that someone wanted to frame the podcasters AND end the podcast (per the Oliver Note in season 1)/get the podcasters removed from the building (like in season 1)/continue the podcast for monetary gain (if Marv is the killer), and Bunny happened to be a prime target because she lived across the hall from Mabel (easily moved to the preferred crime scene).

Edited July 19, 2022 by dovegrey

[DoctorAtomic]

I think it's the baby daddy too. It's the most straightforward. 

[cardigirl]

1 minute ago, DoctorAtomic said:

I think it's the baby daddy too. It's the most straightforward. 

Well, I'll be mightily disappointed if this is true. We've seen him once, and not directly. He's had no dialogue with anyone. 

[dovegrey]

We're halfway through the season, and, after 2x5, I think it's Marv. He knows the podcast inside and out (hence the knitting needle prop from some obscure thing Mabel said one time at the beginning of the podcast), he knows and has used the secret passageways for mold work in the Arconia, and he had to have known Board President Bunny through his mold work. On Bunny's last day alive, Bunny kicked Marv off the Arconia property and refused to let him sell his podcast merchandise there, all while acting as if she didn't know him (put that in context of him possibly being the one who'd  met with Bunny the day before). He was specifically shown to be upset at Bunny. Besides the podcasters, he would also benefit the most from the podcast continuing for a second season, as he was monetizing it, so a murder that directly involves the podcasters would be a fair gamble. And he would benefit from Nina becoming Board President (who wants to make money off the building).

He was also there the night Bunny was murdered. He was part of the crowd (albeit with the other podcast fans) that gathered as the podcasters were led out of the building.

[FGomez]

31 minutes ago, dovegrey said:

only I can't get around that the painting ended up neatly hung in Charles' apartment.

Yes, you are right. I know this is a weak point in my theory. I can think of several possible explanations, but they are far-fetched ... maybe the robbery was successful and later the killer used the imitation of the painting left by the thief to frame the trio, without even knowing there had just been a robbery. Not happy with this explanation though.

26 minutes ago, cardigirl said:

Well, I'll be mightily disappointed if this is true. We've seen him once, and not directly. He's had no dialogue with anyone. 

We are still at fifth episode. And this is exactly what made me suspicious of him. No need to introduce that character unless he plays a important role in the crime. Or maybe he is just a minor character who knows.

If I remember correctly Jana was just a neighbor who played the bassoon until late in the season (?)

14 minutes ago, dovegrey said:

he would also benefit the most from the podcast continuing for a second season, as he was monetizing it,

Yes, this is possible. If a mad woman was the murderer in season 1, why not a greedy merchandise vendor in season 2?

Edited July 19, 2022 by FGomez
adding a question

[cardigirl]

28 minutes ago, dovegrey said:

We're halfway through the season, and, after 2x5, I think it's Marv. He knows the podcast inside and out (hence the knitting needle prop from some obscure thing Mabel said one time at the beginning of the podcast), he knows and has used the secret passageways for mold work in the Arconia, and he had to have known Board President Bunny through his mold work. On Bunny's last day alive, Bunny kicked Marv off the Arconia property and refused to let him sell his podcast merchandise there, all while acting as if she didn't know him (put that in context of him possibly being the one who'd  met with Bunny the day before). He was specifically shown to be upset at Bunny. Besides the podcasters, he would also benefit the most from the podcast continuing for a second season, as he was monetizing it, so a murder that directly involves the podcasters would be a fair gamble. And he would benefit from Nina becoming Board President (who wants to make money off the building).

He was also there the night Bunny was murdered. He was part of the crowd (albeit with the other podcast fans) that gathered as the podcasters were led out of the building.

But would he try to frame Mabel or Charles or Oliver?

I mean, those three not always been complimentary about the Arconiacs, so Marv might not have kind feelings toward them. 

18 minutes ago, FGomez said:

Yes, you are right. I know this is a weak point in my theory. I can think of several possible explanations, but they are far-fetched ... maybe the robbery was successful and later the killer used the imitation of the painting left by the thief to frame the trio, without even knowing there had just been a robbery. Not happy with this explanation though.

We are still at fifth episode. And this is exactly what made me suspicious of him. No need to introduce that character unless he plays a important role in the crime. Or maybe he is just a minor character who knows.

If I remember correctly Jana was just a neighbor who played the bassoon until late in the season (?)

Yes, this is possible. If a mad woman was the murderer in season 1, why not a greedy merchandise vendor in season 2?

Jan was in the third episode and had dialogue with the main characters. She was at least more present than the "baby daddy."  

I just don't see it, based on him being a person who's been shown the least in the show. Like I said, he should have been introduced in the first episode. JMO. 

Edited July 19, 2022 by cardigirl

[dovegrey]

1 minute ago, cardigirl said:

But would he try to frame Mabel or Charles or Oliver. 

I mean, they've not always been complimentary about the Arconiacs, so Marv might not have kind feelings toward them. 

It'd be risky, but look at how much it's blown up the podcast. Mabel can't walk into a random party without being instantly recognized. That would be a lot of money for anyone selling podcast merchandise, running fan message boards with ads (which the fans mentioned last season), etc. And he would have complete control of the evidence, to build the story and a better podcast.

Really, if someone wanted Mabel and/or the others to go to jail, leaving the real murder weapon and planting evidence before calling the police* would have been fool-proof. It's odd that the evidence is being planted in breadcrumbs that the podcasters can control.

*I'm assuming the murderer called the police, since they arrived seconds after Mabel found Bunny. I'm still disappointed that we/the podcasters still have no idea who called the police or what was said to get a full SWAT response straight to Mabel's apartment.

[shapeshifter]

3 hours ago, FGomez said:

...I hope that posting these images is OK.

If you look at where the arms start, I think that the one from the camera in the bar is a broad-shouldered man. I think it is the killer and he is Nan Lin's lover and he killed Bunny to make the business with the building and that he tried to frame the trio.

The second one I think is a woman in a very padded costume and she has in reality broader hips than shoulders. But I chose the best frame to support my point, I am far from sure. She was at the passage to pick the painting, but the robbery was frustrated so she had to retrace her steps empty-handed.

In addition, the woman in the passage cannot be the killer because you can hear the shout and the parrot, and immediately she appears on the scene. No time to walk Bunny to Mabel's apartment and kill her

This one looks a bit like Amy Schumer:

[GaT]

5 hours ago, grandmabegum said:

I'm a little scared that the killer may be Amy Schumer. She wants to be a story teller by turning the podcast into a series and she wants to play Jan. She did move into the building before Bunny was killed as Bunny mentions the renovations in the board meeting. Zero idea what her motive would be for killing Bunny though.

If she wants to make a series about it, another murder would be good for that.

[shapeshifter]

5 hours ago, grandmabegum said:

I'm a little scared that the killer may be Amy Schumer. She wants to be a story teller by turning the podcast into a series and she wants to play Jan. She did move into the building before Bunny was killed as Bunny mentions the renovations in the board meeting. Zero idea what her motive would be for killing Bunny though.

1 minute ago, GaT said:

If she wants to make a series about it, another murder would be good for that.

Ooo. Good point. And then they can have her sent directly to prison without passing Go so she won't need to reappear on another season other than maybe as a very brief cameo.
I approve. 
And Teddy was a show producer, right? Maybe he and Amy are in cahoots.

And the painting thief can be someone else.

[grandmabegum]

1 minute ago, shapeshifter said:

Ooo. Good point. And then they can have her sent directly to prison without passing Go so she won't need to reappear on another season other than maybe as a very brief cameo.

Her and Jan can share a cell and watch porn and tik toks together.

[Enigma X]

It is being speculated that maybe the killer is Alice or Mabel. Whomever the killer is, I hope the motive makes sense from what we have been shown. Having one of those two as the killer does not make much sense (yet) to me. 

[dovegrey]

44 minutes ago, Enigma X said:

It is being speculated that maybe the killer is Alice or Mabel. Whomever the killer is, I hope the motive makes sense from what we have been shown. Having one of those two as the killer does not make much sense (yet) to me. 

This. I can't possibly imagine how it would fit for Mabel to have killed Bunny, without the show completely rewriting and retconning several scenes, which, IMO, would turn the show into Only Murderers Jumping Sharks in the Building. (Sorry. 😬)

For Alice, I suspect she's the Teddy Dimas of season 2 - a nefarious, convincing red herring but not the murderer. It'd be underwhelming for Jan 2.0 to be the totally obvious murderer again.

Edited to take out episode commentary, as I didn't realize what thread I was replying to.

Edited July 21, 2022 by dovegrey

[dovegrey]

Had a couple thoughts while trying to fall asleep last night:

#1 - remember in the first episode of the series, when Mabel says she has a recurring dream, where she wakes up and finds a ski-masked guy watching her sleep? What if that was actually happening (without the violent stabbings) and someone has been coming up through her vent for a while now? (I haven’t figured out how that could tie into the murder unless that guy is the murderer or the person Lucy saw, but with the reveal of the passage vent, it could be something.)

#2 - what if the painting is real, and Big Bunny’s only goal was to check the back of the painting for something attached there (a key, a note, a document, a love letter between Leonora/Rose and Charles’ dad, etc)? Her urgency to find it completely diminished after she ran her hand behind the painting for several seconds, and then she casually told Charles something like “meh, it’ll find me,” like it was suddenly no big deal that her painting was still missing. What if it was something that proved that Rose (dead) = Leonora (alive), which completely devalues all of Rose Cooper’s “worth a fortune” paintings? That could hit someone’s net worth pretty hard and lead to motive,and it could explain why someone would voluntarily hang this oh-so-coveted painting in Charles' apartment after the murder (the real value was whatever was behind the painting). (This also assumes that Rose = Leonora, which hasn't been established.)

[Snazzy Daisy]

Clearer images of the person in the Arcatacombs‼️

I think it’s a man…

[Lugal]

3 hours ago, dovegrey said:

#1 - remember in the first episode of the series, when Mabel says she has a recurring dream, where she wakes up and finds a ski-masked guy watching her sleep? What if that was actually happening (without the violent stabbings) and someone has been coming up through her vent for a while now? (I haven’t figured out how that could tie into the murder unless that guy is the murderer or the person Lucy saw, but with the reveal of the passage vent, it could be something.)

As in some creepy weirdo likes to sneak into Mabel's apartment and watch her sleep. Definitely possible.

3 hours ago, dovegrey said:

#2 - what if the painting is real, and Big Bunny’s only goal was to check the back of the painting for something attached there (a key, a note, a document, a love letter between Leonora/Rose and Charles’ dad, etc)? Her urgency to find it completely diminished after she ran her hand behind the painting for several seconds, and then she casually told Charles something like “meh, it’ll find me,” like it was suddenly no big deal that her painting was still missing. What if it was something that proved that Rose (dead) = Leonora (alive), which completely devalues all of Rose Cooper’s “worth a fortune” paintings? That could hit someone’s net worth pretty hard and lead to motive,and it could explain why someone would voluntarily hang this oh-so-coveted painting in Charles' apartment after the murder (the real value was whatever was behind the painting). (This also assumes that Rose = Leonora, which hasn't been established.)

That's been my thought for a while.  If nothing else, it would be a great way to smuggle a painting.  When Amy Schumer found out it was fake, she dumped it and then it had a legitimate trail to Charles' apartment:  The killer took it when Bunny was killed and then Amy Schumer found it by the dumpster so far as anyone else knows, it was dumped when the killer discovered it was fake and then Amy Schumer found it and then she found out it was fake, she dumped it and Charles put it in his apartment.

And if Rose and Leonora are the same person combined with the murder, it creates a certain notoriety around "Rose Cooper" so that the painting may still be worth something.

[FGomez]

4 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

Clearer images of the person in the Arcatacombs‼️

That is great technique! You can even see the true left arm show through under the costume.

Now, look at the lips. He/she can't breathe by the nose, so (s)he open the mouth. I think those lips are legit. And they are very meaty. He/she cannot be an old person. And he/she could even be a Black person. (I am not from USA, sorry if "Black person" is not polite).

It would be great if we could get a frame with his/her whole body so clear.

EDIT. This is my guess ...

Edited July 21, 2022 by FGomez
add photo

[DoctorAtomic]

This show is a really good counterpoint to dropping all episodes at once. 

[FGomez]

OK, new theory. After some research, I found out that Nina's lover is an actor called David T.Patterson, and his character is called Jared McGregor. He happens to be guy on the right.

and he is the only broad-shouldered muscular guy in the series. Same build as the "no-friend" of Bunny.

We also have Mabel by her lips here

So we know both masked characters. Now the theory...

McGregor is a businessman, whose relation to Nina wasn't known. He tried to convince Bunny, without success, for an ugly monetization of the Arconia. It didn't matter much, with Nina taking control next day, but when Bunny changed her mind, they decided to kill her. And quick.

Crime sequence: Mabel goes to her apartment for champagne. She hears some noises coming from the passages and she goes there to see what happens. Lucy sees her. Meanwhile, McGregor forces Bunny into Mabel's apartment and kills her. Mabel comes back, thinking that she had misheard and nothing happens, but then she finds Bunny dying.

McGregor calls the police and sends the messages to Charles and Oliver so the police catches them escaping from the building. He also frames them the ways we know.

Nina may be the brain of the operation.

Edited July 23, 2022 by FGomez

[GaT]

On 7/23/2022 at 10:46 AM, FGomez said:

calls the police and sends the messages to Charles and Oliver so the police catches them escaping from the building.

I'm not sure about who, but this is the first explanation of why someone sent the messages I've read that makes perfect sense. In fact, of course that's why the messages were sent.

[FGomez]

Well, we have now a third masked character. And the three of them quite obviously different from one another. Three different masked characters means to me three independent lines of argument.

Luís, the assistant of Cinda Canning, is played by an actor called Francisco J. González. He is the one on the right ... and I guess the one on the left, also...

Same physical build and proportions and, very important, a prominent bump under the hood, filled by that large amount of wavy hair.

So we have: (1) the masked character in the passageways - Mabel.  (2) the masked character at the bar - McGregor, Nina's lover and (3) the masked character in the subway car -  Luís, Cinda's assistant.  You say the main topic in the season is family matters ... I think it is "masked characters".

Now, what does it means? To be honest, I don't know. I stick with McGregor being the killer, Nina the brain of the murder and the building monetization the motive.

But, what was doing Mabel in the passages? did she hear some noise and went there to see what happened as I said last weak? Or maybe she is looking for something in the arcatacombs since she arrived to her always remodeling apartment, something we don't know about yet?

And what about the mysterious phone? Is Cinda Canning aware of Luis's doings? Or is this all by himself? He or they are looking for info for their podcast. But, at the same time, are they setting traps to the trio?

[cardigirl]

20 minutes ago, FGomez said:

Well, we have now a third masked character. And the three of them quite obviously different from one another. Three different masked characters means to me three independent lines of argument.

So we have: (1) the masked character in the passageways - Mabel.  (2) the masked character at the bar - McGregor, Nina's lover and (3) the masked character in the subway car -  Luís, Cinda's assistant.  You say the main topic in the season is family matters ... I think it is "masked characters".

I don't understand this. When was Mabel masked in the passageways?  If you're referring to the masked person who was in the passageway when Lucy was hiding in there on the night of Bunny's murder, that person couldn't be Mabel, because Mabel didn't have enough time to go back to her apartment for champagne, kill Bunny, and disappear into the passageways.

[GaT]

15 minutes ago, cardigirl said:

I don't understand this. When was Mabel masked in the passageways? 

Oh good, someone else doesn't remember this, it's not just me.

[FGomez]

31 minutes ago, cardigirl said:

I don't understand this. When was Mabel masked in the passageways?  If you're referring to the masked person who was in the passageway when Lucy was hiding in there on the night of Bunny's murder, that person couldn't be Mabel, because Mabel didn't have enough time to go back to her apartment for champagne, kill Bunny, and disappear into the passageways.

It is two posts above my previous post. In my opinion, and I don't expect other people to agree, or even I don't expect to be correct, but, in my opinion, the lips are the best clue we have to know who is the masked character in the passage.

So, what I think I know (from Lucy chapter) is: (1) Mabel is the masked character in the passage, and (2), at that same time, when the masked character is there and Lucy is also there and recording, we hear a woman shout (Bunny) and a PARROT. So we know that the masked character is at the passage while the killer is at Bunny's apartment.

But Bunny is not killed at her own apartment. She is forced into Mabel's apartment and then killed there. And that takes time.

Now, the time sequence HAS TO BE WRONG. According to episode 3, we see Mabel going down for champagne, and then right after that, we see the killer knocking at Bunny's door. But, according to season 1 episode 10, Mabel went for champagne and after only a few seconds we hear the sirens and Oliver and Charles receive the message... they run immediately and they find Mabel with Bunny already dead at Mabel's apartment. Impossible (even if Mabel is not the masked character, there is no time enough).

So the screenwriters messed up the time of the scenes, either intentionally or, more likely I think, they just don't care. I don't expect to see a full explanation at the end of the season. Anyway, since It is impossible to make sense of the impossible, I just state what I think I know: Mabel is the masked character and she was in the passageways for some reason at some point that night.

[Snazzy Daisy]

1 hour ago, FGomez said:

So we have: (1) the masked character in the passageways - Mabel.  (2) the masked character at the bar - McGregor, Nina's lover and (3) the masked character in the subway car -  Luís, Cinda's assistant.  You say the main topic in the season is family matters ... I think it is "masked characters".

Why do you think it was Mable in the Arcatacombs?

[FGomez]

3 minutes ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

Why do you think it was Mable in the Arcatacombs?

Because of the pics in this same thread. Firstly, I posted a pic where the masked character in the passage seems to be a chubby woman, with big hips. Somebody said she could be Amy Schumer. Later you posted a high quality pic and you said you think he is a man. But the pic is not whole body and the light distorts the hip. So I said "I don't know". But later I realized that the lips in your pic are very telling. At first I thought he/she would be a Black person. But after looking some random pics, I realized that black people usually have a big LOWER lip. But the person in the pic has a bigger upper lip. I thought of Mable, look for a pic of her with rounded open mouth and... bingo!

Of course, all this is only speculation without spoilers ... just what is this thread for. If I were sure, I would post it under spoiler alert.

[cardigirl]

4 minutes ago, FGomez said:

Because of the pics in this same thread. Firstly, I posted a pic where the masked character in the passage seems to be a chubby woman, with big hips. Somebody said she could be Amy Schumer. Later you posted a high quality pic and you said you think he is a man. But the pic is not whole body and the light distorts the hip. So I said "I don't know". But later I realized that the lips in your pic are very telling. At first I thought he/she would be a Black person. But after looking some random pics, I realized that black people usually have a big LOWER lip. But the person in the pic has a bigger upper lip. I thought of Mable, look for a pic of her with rounded open mouth and... bingo!

Of course, all this is only speculation without spoilers ... just what is this thread for. If I were sure, I would post it under spoiler alert.

Interesting thought process. I have come nowhere near these conclusions. It will be interesting to see how the rest of the episodes unfold. Maybe Mabel has a twin. 

[shapeshifter]

4 hours ago, cardigirl said:

I don't understand this. When was Mabel masked in the passageways? 

3 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

Why do you think it was Mable

3 hours ago, FGomez said:

Because of the pics in this same thread.

Okay. This picture is possibly Mabel, but . . . 

On 7/23/2022 at 1:46 PM, FGomez said:

which masked person was this at which time doing what?
I'm forgetful. 

Or, maybe Lucy?
(who we know knew about the Catacombs In The Building)
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2292661/mediaviewer/rm3111211776?ref_=nm_ov_ph

Edited July 27, 2022 by shapeshifter

[dovegrey]

1 hour ago, FGomez said:

Now, the time sequence HAS TO BE WRONG. According to episode 3, we see Mabel going down for champagne, and then right after that, we see the killer knocking at Bunny's door. But, according to season 1 episode 10, Mabel went for champagne and after only a few seconds we hear the sirens and Oliver and Charles receive the message... they run immediately and they find Mabel with Bunny already dead at Mabel's apartment. Impossible (even if Mabel is not the masked character, there is no time enough).

Respectfully, I just watched this sequence from 2x3, and this isn't right. The podcasters, including Mabel, are still on the roof when the knocking happens and when Bunny gets up to answer the door. Bunny gets up to answer the door, and the scene immediately cuts to Mabel telling Charles and Oliver that she'll get more champagne. The scene then cuts to Bunny opening the door. So, Mabel was definitively shown on the roof in the two scenes that bookended the knock on Bunny's door.

I do think there is time missing from what we've been shown, as Mabel should have witnessed something in the timeframe shown...or the murderer worked very quickly to incapacitate Bunny and walk/drag her to Mabel's apartment, escape through the vent, and possibly call the police (I've been assuming the murderer called the police). I think the writers are holding back, and we'll get a surprise totally-not-a-retcon Mabel memory from that night that would have made the entire mystery very clear from the start.

Edited July 27, 2022 by dovegrey
Olive = Oliver

[AnimeMania]

I think at some point around the time of the murder, somebody is going to mistake the Parrot talking for Bunny talking.

[Snazzy Daisy]

23 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Okay. This picture is possibly Mabel, but . . . 

which masked person was this at which time doing what?
I'm forgetful. 

Or, maybe Lucy?
(who we know knew about the Catacombs In The Building)

The masked person who walked thru the Arcatacombs after Bunny was attacked. 

It cannot be Lucy because we saw her POV. She was already in the Arcatacombs, she quickly hid when she heard the footsteps. She also heard him sneezing.

[FGomez]

53 minutes ago, dovegrey said:

I just watched this sequence from 2x3, and this isn't right.

It is the combination of 2x3 and 1x10 what I think it is incoherent. We agree that Mabel going down for champagne and the killer knocking at Bunny's door both happen basically at the same time, based on 2x3. But 1x10 gives few more than 2 minutes (the time for Charles and Oliver to read the message and run down 2 floors and then to Mabel's apartment) for all of: the killer forcing Bunny into Mabel's apartment, the killer killing Bunny with the knife and the needle, the killer leaving the apartment, Mabel entering her apartment slowly, Mabel going to where Bunny was, Bunny saying "14" and "passage", Bunny dying .. and then Charles and Oliver arrive. I don't think it is possible.

53 minutes ago, dovegrey said:

I do think there is time missing from what we've been shown, as Mabel should have witnessed something in the timeframe shown...

Yes, if we forget 1x10, then this is the most likely possibility.

Edited July 27, 2022 by FGomez

[dovegrey]

58 minutes ago, FGomez said:

It is the combination of 2x3 and 1x10 what I think it is incoherent. We agree that Mabel going down for champagne and the killer knocking at Bunny's door both happen basically at the same time, based on 2x3.

Sorry, no, Mabel is on the roof and talking to the guys when the knocking happens. The knocking is not basically at the same time as Mabel going down to her apartment. And your original post said that the knocking happened AFTER Mabel went down, which isn’t what 2x3 showed. Sorry. 

[FGomez]

We agree to disagree then. Anybody can rewatch 2x3 28:55 and form their own opinion.

[shapeshifter]

15 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

She also heard him sneezing.

Ooo. Have we seen anyone else sneeze?

Edited July 28, 2022 by shapeshifter

[LilaFowler]

I think Cinda is behind everything this season. She's the famous podcaster who just happened to be at the building when the police were swarming (who called them and why?). She's been framing them for Bunny's murder ever since, with some help from her assistants.

The original painting that is missing from Bunny's apartment was taken by someone else, I think -- separate, unrelated crimes.

[Zanzibar]

I don't think I've seen this mentioned, so apologies if I missed it, but what if Mabel isn't clearly remembering what Bunny said? Could Bunny have said "forging" instead of "fourteen"?  So instead of saying "14 savage," Bunny said "forging savage."  That would make more sense with the Rose Cooper painting being a copy, ie, a forgery.

[shapeshifter]

2 hours ago, Zanzibar said:

I don't think I've seen this mentioned, so apologies if I missed it, but what if Mabel isn't clearly remembering what Bunny said? Could Bunny have said "forging" instead of "fourteen"?  So instead of saying "14 savage," Bunny said "forging savage."  That would make more sense with the Rose Cooper painting being a copy, ie, a forgery.

Great idea, @Zanzibar, but Bunny saying “forgery” probably works as well as “forging” that Mabel heard as “14” since it also has the “ee” sound like “fourteen.” 
But, no, none of us here came up with either.

However, on the show, they decided what Mabel heard as “Savage” was probably “passage,” but maybe they’re wrong and Bunny said “Savage forgery” or “forging Savage.”

[Snazzy Daisy]

On 7/28/2022 at 3:04 PM, shapeshifter said:

Ooo. Have we seen anyone else sneeze?

I think we saw Dr. Grover Stanley sneezed in S1. Or maybe Howard. Am not sure…

12 hours ago, LilaFowler said:

I think Cinda is behind everything this season. She's been framing them for Bunny's murder ever since, with some help from her assistants.

Theory - Cinda orchestrated Mabel’s subway fiasco for content. 😈

[FGomez]

OK, new data in this forum to take into consideration, and people pointing to weak points in my previous theory, so here I have a new refined theory about the killer.

Some messages above, I showed consistent circumstantial evidence that Luis is the glittered masked man. At first, I didn't think that would make him the killer. But there are two key data in this forum that caught my attention:

(1) the schedule posted by @sjankis630 and its frame posted by @shapeshifterI had read carefully the schedule when it appeared in the episode, but nothing seemed suspicious. But after watching the entire episode, I spotted a very special entry: "Monday, 3pm Meeting with new sound guy".

I went to read the full casting at imdb.com, and it says Franciso J. Gonzalez, 1 episode, "Performance Review"!!!! So Luis, Cinda's assistant, is "the new sound guy". And he is also the guy that texted Charles and Oliver. And he is also the glittered masked character. This sends the investigation to a whole new direction ...

I don't usually pay much attention to what the characters say, because it is all comedy and red herrings. But this made me remember Jan's intervention this season. It didn't make much sense for her to reappear, did it? So at least she should have given some true clue. She said, (a) "the killer composed the murder scene" and (b) "... finding ways to stay close ... that's your killer". Well, how to compose the murder scene? calling the police and texting Charles and Oliver so the police finds the trio besides the body!!! ... and what a better way to stay close to the investigation that finding a job at Cinda's podcast?

(2) Initially Mabel thought Bunny had said "14 savage". Then she though he could have misheard and the true words were "14 passage", which pointed directly to Nina and her lover, McGregor, who would have escaped through the passage to Nina's apartment. But @Zanzibar said, what if Bunny said "forging savage"?, so the misheard word is the other one!  This would make the painting the true motive of the crime!

This post is already too long, I won't enter in the details of the murder sequence. So, to sum up. Killer: Luis.  Motive: The painting, and also the artistic performance.

Next episode is key. If Luis happens to appear again for whatever reason, you can bet he is the killer. On the other hand, If  Nina and her lover reappear, I'll bet for them. In any other case ... I am kinda lost.

[shapeshifter]

15 minutes ago, FGomez said:

This sends the investigation to a whole new direction ...

😁

[AnimeMania]

Weird that Charles, Mabel, and Oliver didn't heard any police sirens, being outside with that many police on the scene.

[shapeshifter]

1 hour ago, AnimeMania said:

Weird that Charles, Mabel, and Oliver didn't heard any police sirens, being outside with that many police on the scene.

That kind of noise is very common in lower Manhattan, where my middle daughter lives.
But maybe not in the Arconia's neighborhood.

[AnimeMania]

1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

That kind of noise is very common in lower Manhattan, where my middle daughter lives.
But maybe not in the Arconia's neighborhood.

There would also be tons of flashing colored lights.

[Lugal]

The Underused Guest Actor Rule says Big Bunny, but at nearly 90 I'm not sure she has the physicality to stab someone multiple times and with the macular degeneration she probably lacks the hand-eye coordination. 

It could also work for Detective Krebs because he did say this case will make his career.  And we still have yet to discover who blocked Detective Williams's investigations into Tim Kono.

3 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

Weird that Charles, Mabel, and Oliver didn't heard any police sirens, being outside with that many police on the scene.

Sometimes police don't run the sirens for various reasons, like if they think it might give too much of a heads up.  Or like in my town Police/Fire/EMT always turn off sirens whenever they go near the retirement community.

6 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

Theory - Cinda orchestrated Mabel’s subway fiasco for content. 😈

That would not surprise me.