S11.E04: NIMBY

[ElectricBoogaloo]

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The Milkoviches move in next door and wreak havoc, leading Frank, Kev and Liam to scheme to get rid of them; Mickey embarks on a security gig for Kev and V and drags Ian along; Gemma and Franny compete in the Little Miss South Side beauty pageant.

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Original air date: 1/10/21

Edited January 12, 2021 by ElectricBoogaloo

[juno]

Carl seems to be engaged in the story of the 3 bears, where the first Trainer was too soft and the current trainer is too hard. Hopefully we will find the just right Trainer by the end.

Tami and Lip: well the baby and the operation are now forgotten and they are dealing with Tami's past and her past relationship, riveting stuff.

The fun is always V for me and my favorite character. Only she can take losing a child pageant and turn it into a political career.

Milkoviches, Frank, Kevin - don't care. Milkoviches were put in place to give the cast something to do until the show ends which can't happen soon enough.

[Lone Wolf]

43 minutes ago, juno said:

Carl seems to be engaged in the story of the 3 bears, where the first Trainer was too soft and the current trainer is too hard. Hopefully we will find the just right Trainer by the end.

Tami and Lip: well the baby and the operation are now forgotten and they are dealing with Tami's past and her past relationship, riveting stuff.

The fun is always V for me and my favorite character. Only she can take losing a child pageant and turn it into a political career.

Milkoviches, Frank, Kevin - don't care. Milkoviches were put in place to give the cast something to do until the show ends which can't happen soon enough.

Pretty much every bit of this, although I can take or leave V or for that matter, the entire show.  At this point I'm basically watching due to inertia.

I'm perplexed about the mask protocols being shown. Is wearing them as chin diapers, one person wearing and one not, wearing sometimes outdoors and sometimes not, and just general inconsistency supposed to reflect how they're being worn IRL?  Regardless, it's taking me out of the moment.

It must have been my senior year of HS when rumors started swirling about one of my female classmates and our English teacher.  They got married after we graduated (I doubt it lasted, given the circumstances), and I often think about that when I see these plotlines or read about a real life student/teacher situation. Don't know how Tam-Tam's ex is still getting away with it in this day and age.

 

 

[juno]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

At this point I'm basically watching due to inertia.

LOL, the new name of this season; Shameless, season 11: Inertia.

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

Don't know how Tam-Tam's ex is still getting away with it in this day and age.

Either the show is trying to tell us that crime is not reported or not found out or it could be a part of a larger narrative for this show. Ever since the first season the show has tried to create a theme that crimes against the Gallagher's (or people part of their team) are not reported or not prosecuted and that keeps the Gallaghers in a constant state of being an underdog and has allowed them to commit crimes and act lousy because the world/system/universe.

The professor that slept with Lip and the College that threw him out abused their positions and should have been sued by Lip. Why not? Because the show wouldn't exist without those plucky Gallaghers fighting the world and being the underdog.

[chocolatine]

4 hours ago, juno said:

Tami and Lip: well the baby and the operation are now forgotten and they are dealing with Tami's past and her past relationship, riveting stuff.

Yup. Last episode she was trying to shake down the Gallaghers for every penny that they own, and this episode she's asking Lip to go to a fancy restaurant where brunch for two probably costs as much as a week's worth of groceries for the entire Gallagher household.

I felt really terrible for Liam and hated how his very realistic safety concerns were played for laughs. This show has always been racist, but that was disgusting.

Ian and Mickey looked ridiculous in their SWAT get-up; I can't believe the weed lady took them seriously and offered them jobs.

Frank has now exhibited short-term memory loss two episodes in a row, so that's a pattern. I hope it's a rapidly progressing dementia and by the end of the season he's rotting away at some terrible nursing facility, with none of his children willing to care for him or even visit.

3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

I'm perplexed about the mask protocols being shown. Is wearing them as chin diapers, one person wearing and one not, wearing sometimes outdoors and sometimes not, and just general inconsistency supposed to reflect how they're being worn IRL?  Regardless, it's taking me out of the moment.

That drove me crazy. Especially Kevin putting on his mask in his house, then next cut he's outside without the mask.

The Milkoviches are laid on way too thick. Not entertaining at all, and *way* too much Rammstein music.

[suzyq8017]

I feel insulted by the writers in giving us this stupid Tammy storyline without even a mention of Lip’s experience having an affair with a professor? I’m heartbroken they don’t know how to write for Lip anymore. 

[Christina]

Man I wish I turned it off before the credits. Usually, I like those final minutes.

An hour of show and that's all I've got. Inertia strikes again.

[whiporee]

I hope next week's Lip Hall of Shame reminded the show runners that he's supposed to be smart. When they had the preview of Kevin talking to him about being Master of the Universe, I was hoping it was an actual preview instead of a flashback. One of the old scenes in this thing was Kevin giving Lip his "You owe it to us" speech. 

Lip has responsibilities. He's a couple of phone calls away from a much better life for himself and his family. He needs someone to push him that direction, but there's not a lot of time left. 

The episode was fine. Milkovich's were overkill, and it would have been nice to see Mandy again before we're done. The pageant was dumb and the cop stuff was too far, but it wasn't a bad episode. But we do need to be headed toward and end -- we need some sort of plot development beyond Frank's inevitable slide into dementia and death. I'm starting to think that his death will be the ultimate expression of this show, and I that's distressing because Frank was never more than a diversion. WHM was the biggest name, but he wasn't the star or the driving force. it's disconcerting to think they'll going to end it with Frank as some sort to grand conclusion to this story.

Edited January 11, 2021 by whiporee

[taanja]

13 hours ago, suzyq8017 said:

I feel insulted by the writers in giving us this stupid Tammy storyline without even a mention of Lip’s experience having an affair with a professor? I’m heartbroken they don’t know how to write for Lip anymore. 

^This! It was weird. Like they totally forgot about Lip's affair with collage professor. (Obvs Lip has mommy issues!)

The other weird thing -- The Milkovich's move into house next door. Okay

In season 1 or 2 -- Jimmy Steve buys that exact house and then eventually gives it to that blond cop dude as a bribe. So when was that old lady living there? Are we supposed to believe a 90yr old lady buys the house from Blond cop dude and has been living there ... since... a few years ? (I can not remember Blond cop dude's name -- Fiona fucked him that one time and then later he "turns" gay)  Or did Jimmy Steve buy house with old lady included and then blond cop dude gets house (from Jimmy Steve) with old lady included?

Anyone? They acted like that house hasn't been featured before. They acted like Jimmy Steve never owned it or that blond cop dude never lived there for a year or two as well. The whole thing took me right out of the ep. 

Who was that old lady?? and where did she come from????

also--- anyone notice for the past 3 - 4 seasons now it has been perpetual summer in Chicago?

[chocolatine]

2 hours ago, whiporee said:

Lip has responsibilities. He's a couple of phone calls away from a much better life for himself and his family. He needs someone to push him that direction, but there's not a lot of time left.

Tami tried to do that last season with the Milwaukee move, but Lip dug his heels in saying it was a threat to his sobriety (and fell off the wagon to prove his point). I think it's been well established by now that he self-sabotages every opportunity he gets.

29 minutes ago, taanja said:

In season 1 or 2 -- Jimmy Steve buys that exact house and then eventually gives it to that blond cop dude as a bribe. So when was that old lady living there? Are we supposed to believe a 90yr old lady buys the house from Blond cop dude and has been living there ... since... a few years ? (I can not remember Blond cop dude's name -- Fiona fucked him that one time and then later he "turns" gay)  Or did Jimmy Steve buy house with old lady included and then blond cop dude gets house (from Jimmy Steve) with old lady included?

The blond cop's name was Tony. Is it possible that house was on the other side of Kev & Vee's house, i.e. three doors down from the Gallaghers rather than right next door? I vaguely remember that house being on the same block but not right next door.

[tennisgurl]

One of the very few people that Frank can actually claim some moral high ground on as a person and as a father is probably Terry. At the very least, Frank has never actively tried to rape or murder any of his kids. The Milkoviche clan is so nasty, that its actually kind of amazing that Mickey turned out as well as he did, and Mickey can barley get through a job interview without threatening to stab someone. I also definitely think they are heading for Frank being in the early stages of dementia, that's two episode in a row where he was forgetting things.  

So last week Tammy was trying to guilt Lip into selling all of his and his families stuff to pay for her nieces operation, but not a mention of it now, and she is instead getting him to take her to a nice brunch? And why did we get a whole episode about Lip eyebrow raising Tammy's clearly creepy relationship with her teacher without a single mention of Lip's very ill advised affair with his professor? Do the writers even watch this show? 

Carl just has no luck with partners. The first is too boring, the second is too violent, plus now he is actually having to arrest and do cop stuff involving people he actually knows from his neighborhood, and its just uncomfortable and awkward. 

This season has been generally meh, especially for the last season, but they did have a few good lines, like the drug dealer getting Carl is arrest one of his guys because he's annoyed with how much he talks about British period drama's, and Mickey getting all offended at the Gallagher's saying how horrible his family is (and admitting later that they're totally right because he family is mostly horrible) and them all just starring at him while he casually talks about the totally insane violent things they got up to while he was growing up. "Anybody here feel like they're the product of good parenting raise your hand." 

[iMonrey]

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I'm perplexed about the mask protocols being shown. Is wearing them as chin diapers, one person wearing and one not, wearing sometimes outdoors and sometimes not, and just general inconsistency supposed to reflect how they're being worn IRL?  Regardless, it's taking me out of the moment.

I've commented on this before, with other shows that have acknowledged the pandemic - as opposed to those that are pretending it doesn't exist. The casual/inconsistent use of masks is a compromise between acknowledging we're living with a pandemic and not covering all the actors' faces through the whole damn show. I think TV is in a hard place right now. I think they are right in assuming nobody wants to watch a show with the actors' faces covered up through the whole thing but at the same time dispensing with the masks and not mentioning the pandemic feels wrong. It's a tough call and I think shows like this are doing the best that they can with it. I'm giving them a pass.

I feel like historically this show has been tone deaf to how badly Debbie comes across unless it's a deliberate choice. She's been pushing her kid into a box she doesn't want to go in all season long, and it was clear Frannie wasn't going to perform way before V ever came out and called time for the judges. To have Frannie deliberately draw with a marker all over Gemma afterwards was childish and pathetic.

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Fiona fucked him that one time and then later he "turns" gay)

I think you may be confusing two characters, but to the best of my recollection Tony never turned gay. I believe he was married to a woman the last time we saw him. 

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The blond cop's name was Tony. Is it possible that house was on the other side of Kev & Vee's house, i.e. three doors down from the Gallaghers rather than right next door? I vaguely remember that house being on the same block but not right next door.

No, taanja is correct. The house to the left of the Gallaghers is the one Jimmy/Steve bought and later sold to Tony. In fact I don't think there is a house to the immediate right of the Gallagher's house. There's either a vacant lot or a wider alley between the two houses.

Continuity isn't this show's best friend.

 

Edited January 11, 2021 by iMonrey

[chocolatine]

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

I think you may be confusing two characters, but to the best of my recollection Tony never turned gay. I believe he was married to a woman the last time we saw him.

Nope, same character: https://shameless.fandom.com/wiki/Tony_Markovich

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

No, taanja is correct. The house to the left of the Gallaghers is the one Jimmy/Steve bought and later sold to Tony. In fact I don't think there is a house to the immediate right of the Gallagher's house. There's either a vacant lot or a wider alley between the two houses.

I didn't say to the right of the Gallaghers - that's an empty lot - but to the left of Kev & Vee, so three doors doors down from the Gallaghers. At least that's what I thought, that the house JimmySteve bought wasn't right next door.

[taanja]

16 hours ago, chocolatine said:

Nope, same character: https://shameless.fandom.com/wiki/Tony_Markovich

I didn't say to the right of the Gallaghers - that's an empty lot - but to the left of Kev & Vee, so three doors doors down from the Gallaghers. At least that's what I thought, that the house JimmySteve bought wasn't right next door.

In Nana Gallagher Had an Affair, he (Jimmy Steve) buys the house next door so that he and Fiona can move in together but still stay close to the family. He faces a new problem with Debbie now aware of his true name and threatening him if he hurts her sister

[iMonrey]

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Nope, same character:

Hmm. Well color me corrected. But I think that was a dumb thing to do to the character.

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I didn't say to the right of the Gallaghers - that's an empty lot - but to the left of Kev & Vee, so three doors doors down from the Gallaghers. At least that's what I thought, that the house JimmySteve bought wasn't right next door.

When Steve bought that house and he and Fiona went inside to look around, one of them suggested building some sort of walkway between the two houses so she could easily come and go without even going outside. 

RE: this episode: Does Debbie's girlfriend have an aversion to shampoo for some reason? Why does her hair always look so grimy and greasy? 

Edited January 12, 2021 by iMonrey

[ElectricBoogaloo]

9 hours ago, iMonrey said:

Does Debbie's girlfriend have an aversion to shampoo for some reason? Why does her hair always look so grimy and greasy?

Because she's a Milkovich!

[juno]

4 minutes ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Because she's a Milkovich!

When Debbie asked her where she lived and she didn't answer, it made me think she may be homeless and it also doesn't look like she works so there may actually be a reason for the personal hygiene issues.

I really wanted Mandy to return with the Milkovich's. In my opinion she had the most chemistry with Lip and it would have been an interesting plot turn to see his reaction.

[Marley]

I’m only still watching to see the end and hoping somehow Fiona pops in one last time in the last season.

Lip is a stupid prick and he’s annoyed me for a while but I really started disliking him when he treated Fiona like shit when she was having her problems in her last season. Also the fact that he’s so hell bent on being poor is stupid. Of course there’s nothing wrong with blue collar jobs but Lip has made it his mission to do nothing with his life. What is even his job? Seems like he’s a part time motorcycle mechanic lol. Also him and Tammy together is such a lame pairing. There’s no chemistry and she’s annoying. Who cares if she has daddy issues. This is what we spend the last season on.

I hate Terry Milkohich he’s a disgusting rapist. I don’t enjoy his gross scenes on the show.

Ian and Mickey were not bad this episode but give me a break on the job they got.

Lol Veronica getting into politics? Sure makes so much sense not like she has thousands of hours of porn of herself online. 

This show needs to just end.

Also just had to say again Lip is an asshole and him pouring money into a house he is renting is idiotic.

Edited January 13, 2021 by Marley

[iMonrey]

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I really wanted Mandy to return with the Milkovich's. In my opinion she had the most chemistry with Lip and it would have been an interesting plot turn to see his reaction.

Jane Levy was Mandy in Season 1. I really liked her. Emma Greenwell replaced her starting in Season 2 and I never really cared for her. I just never thought she was a very good actress. It doesn't look like she's done a whole lot after this show either. I seem to recall reading she was basically hired because she was Jeremy Allen White's real-life girlfriend at the time.

That said - I agree she should pop up somewhere if only for some closure on the character.

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Lol Veronica getting into politics? Sure makes so much sense not like she has thousands of hours of porn of herself online. 

I thought about that too. I don't see how they can really do justice to some kind of political campaign storyline for Veronica with only nine episodes left (if that). But that would surely come up, assuming the current writers even know/remember that.

[Pristine]

On 1/13/2021 at 11:46 AM, iMonrey said:

Jane Levy was Mandy in Season 1. I really liked her.

I had totally forgotten that and will not be able to watch Zoey's Extraordinary Playlist the same way.  😂

[taanja]

On 1/13/2021 at 11:46 AM, iMonrey said:

Jane Levy was Mandy in Season 1. I really liked her. Emma Greenwell replaced her starting in Season 2 and I never really cared for her. I just never thought she was a very good actress. It doesn't look like she's done a whole lot after this show either. I seem to recall reading she was basically hired because she was Jeremy Allen White's real-life girlfriend at the time.

That said - I agree she should pop up somewhere if only for some closure on the character.

I thought about that too. I don't see how they can really do justice to some kind of political campaign storyline for Veronica with only nine episodes left (if that). But that would surely come up, assuming the current writers even know/remember that.

They will just do to V what they did t the "character of the house next store" -- pretend the past eps/plots don't exist?

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Thank you, Officer Gallagher

Dress up GI Joe

 

[DNR]

On 1/11/2021 at 3:11 PM, chocolatine said:

Tami tried to do that last season with the Milwaukee move, but Lip dug his heels in saying it was a threat to his sobriety (and fell off the wagon to prove his point). I think it's been well established by now that he self-sabotages every opportunity he gets.

The blond cop's name was Tony. Is it possible that house was on the other side of Kev & Vee's house, i.e. three doors down from the Gallaghers rather than right next door? I vaguely remember that house being on the same block but not right next door.

I forget which house it is but i remember Steve/Jimmy having a discussion with Debbie about putting a habitrail between the houses 

So that makes me think it was right next door ? 

Edited February 3, 2021 by DNR
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[aemom]

On 1/12/2021 at 9:34 PM, juno said:

When Debbie asked her where she lived and she didn't answer, it made me think she may be homeless and it also doesn't look like she works so there may actually be a reason for the personal hygiene issues.

I suspect that she was shocked that Debbie didn't realize that she's been living in the Gallagher house for some time.

 

On 1/12/2021 at 10:57 PM, Marley said:

Also just had to say again Lip is an asshole and him pouring money into a house he is renting is idiotic.

That was incredibly stupid, but at least last week when the owner dropped by and saw the work, he offered to go halfsies on the expenses which Lip inflated, so I think this will now work out well for him.

 

I would have loved a comment from the professor asking why there is a giant penis spray painted on their house. 😃