S21.E10: Must Be Held Accountable

[dttruman]

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A desperate father takes matters into his own hands in the case against his daughter's rapist.

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Main cast

Mariska Hargitay as Captain Olivia Benson

Kelli Giddish as Detective Amanda Rollins

Ice-T as Sergeant Odafin Tutuola

Peter Scanavino as A.D.A. Dominick Carisi, Jr.

Jamie Gray Hyder as Detective Katriona Tamin

Recurring cast

Ryan Buggle as Noah Porter-Benson

Nicholas Turturro as Detective Frank Bucci

Vincent Kartheiser as Steve Getz

Amy Hargreaves as Dr. Alexis Hanover

Grace Narducci as Ivy Bucci

Bree Turner as Granya Marcil

Demore Barnes as Deputy Chief Christian Garland

Fina Strazza as Milly Bucci

Charlotte Cabell & Vivian Cabell as Jesse Rollins

Guest cast

George Gerard as Man in Car

Well, they had plenty of time to tweak this episode, so I hope it's a decent one.

[dttruman]

I wonder how much of this episode will be spent on the hostage situation and how much time will be spent on the investigation, the arrest and conviction of Getz and also the fall of his empire?

[Xeliou66]

5 hours ago, dttruman said:

I wonder how much of this episode will be spent on the hostage situation and how much time will be spent on the investigation, the arrest and conviction of Getz and also the fall of his empire?

I’m curious about this as well, and since we know Getz winds up in jail and apparently kills himself, how will he get locked up again, it seems like this episode has a lot to deal with between Rollins getting taken hostage and then the Getz case, I’m unsure of how they will cram it all in to the episode. 

It appears Hadid isn’t in this one which is good, she’s one of the worst characters in SVU history (yes I think so) and I hope she’s gone for good. Unfortunately it appears Noah and the Rollins kids are in this one, which is not good.

[CrystalBlue]

4 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I’m curious about this as well, and since we know Getz winds up in jail and apparently kills himself, how will he get locked up again, it seems like this episode has a lot to deal with between Rollins getting taken hostage and then the Getz case, I’m unsure of how they will cram it all in to the episode. 

It appears Hadid isn’t in this one which is good, she’s one of the worst characters in SVU history (yes I think so) and I hope she’s gone for good. Unfortunately it appears Noah and the Rollins kids are in this one, which is not good.

Can Noah and Rollins kids be playing hide-and-seek while Amanda is being taken hostage, because she brought the children to work on "Bring Your Kids To Work Day" and did Olivia a favor by including Noah, and they all get taken hostage, never to be seen again?

[dttruman]

1 hour ago, CrystalBlue said:

Can Noah and Rollins kids be playing hide-and-seek while Amanda is being taken hostage, because she brought the children to work on "Bring Your Kids To Work Day" and did Olivia a favor by including Noah, and they all get taken hostage, never to be seen again?

I would just settle for them to appear in two episodes per season. The Christmas episode and the final episode for each season in cameos. 

[MrsRafaelBarba]

Happy New Year, I miss y'all.

Saw the promo.

How did Tuturro's character go from chatting up Rollins in Part 33, to terrorizing and taking her hostage?

[Xeliou66]

28 minutes ago, MrsRafaelBarba said:

Happy New Year, I miss y'all.

Saw the promo.

How did Tuturro's character go from chatting up Rollins in Part 33, to terrorizing and taking her hostage?

The character is really all over the map, he’s not thinking clearly, but the writing wasn’t great in the last episode and I really don’t think they know what to do with this story. I didn’t like the last episode and I’m not expecting much from this one.

[MrsRafaelBarba]

50 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

The character is really all over the map, he’s not thinking clearly, but the writing wasn’t great in the last episode and I really don’t think they know what to do with this story. I didn’t like the last episode and I’m not expecting much from this one.

Haven't watched this season.

 

Did he and Rollins date and it ended badly?  🤔

Dude lookin bat shit crazy! 

[Xeliou66]

29 minutes ago, MrsRafaelBarba said:

Haven't watched this season.

 

Did he and Rollins date and it ended badly?  🤔

Dude lookin bat shit crazy! 

Nope, he hasn’t appeared at all this season until the last episode. Like I say, I think it’s just a case of the writers wanting a cliffhanger of Rollins in danger and so they had him take Rollins hostage even if it doesn’t make a lot of sense.

[dttruman]

7 hours ago, MrsRafaelBarba said:

How did Tuturro's character go from chatting up Rollins in Part 33, to terrorizing and taking her hostage?

 

6 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

The character is really all over the map, he’s not thinking clearly, but the writing wasn’t great in the last episode and I really don’t think they know what to do with this story. I didn’t like the last episode and I’m not expecting much from this one.

 

4 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Nope, he hasn’t appeared at all this season until the last episode. Like I say, I think it’s just a case of the writers wanting a cliffhanger of Rollins in danger and so they had him take Rollins hostage even if it doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Totally agree about how they use characters. It's seems reasonable to have a character do something a little out-of-character once in a great while, but these producers are sanctioning over the top stuff. Anything to fit the story line, no matter how absurd or how much they are assassinating (figuratively) the character.

The most obvious character representing this is Cassidy, IMO. He starts out with SVU, then can't take it. He transfer to narcotics or vice and at sometime later he works for internal affairs and finally for the ADAs. He was a suspect for the rape of some stripper, in another he was suspected of murder and hid out at Benson's. He completely fell apart on the stand while giving testimony. He has done so many questionable things, yet he seemed to get promoted.

Edited January 9, 2020 by dttruman
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[dttruman]

Why are they at Rollins' apartment. I thought they would track her car or last phone call to the shrinks office.

Almost halfway through, Benson and team haven't found Rollins and Bucci. I wonder how much more longer will this kidnapping be?

Edited January 10, 2020 by dttruman

[Gigi43]

Theyre really doing this cop out (no pun intended I just can't think of words lol) BS on an Espstein-esque story. A random hanging at the end as we saw last episode isn't going to make up for this half assed attempt. 

 

Also if they want me to care about a hostage? Pick Fin or Carisi. Shoot her. Whatever. 

Edited January 10, 2020 by Gigi43

[dttruman]

19 minutes ago, Gigi43 said:

Theyre really doing this cop out (no pun intended I just can't think of words lol) BS on an Espstein-esque story. A random hanging at the end as we saw last episode isn't going to make up for this half assed attempt. 

Is it me or does it seem like only the SVU team is looking for Rollins? What is the rest of the police precinct doing, just backing up the SVU when they have a clue to their location?

Edited January 10, 2020 by dttruman

[Gigi43]

28 minutes ago, dttruman said:

Is it me or does it seem like only the SVU team is looking for Rollins? What is the rest of the police precinct doing, just backing up the SVU when they have a clue to their location?

 

It's not just you. Maybe the other cops don't care either?

 

I hate that now Carisi is going to give Kat crap because she dared question the reputation of Rollins, who should have been fired several times. Chill Carisi. Maybe she heard the stories.

 

One minute talking Espstein conspiracy theories and that's the end. Lame.

[dttruman]

2 minutes ago, Gigi43 said:

One minute talking Espstein conspiracy theories and that's the end. Lame.

I thought he had a box of blackmail evidence that he was turning over to the ADA, and that he was going to get some kind of clear cut immunity. Instead, all we see is him doing what he did at the very beginning of the previous episode. They left out a whole lot.

This whole episode was so superficial.

[Xeliou66]

This was better than part 1, I’ll give it that. Not great but better than part 1. 

Let me get this off of my chest first - it was a cowardly way out to show Getz hanging himself in the jail, it’s looking more and more like Epstein, the real life Getz, didn’t kill himself, and the episode would’ve been much better if it had ended ambiguously with the squad watching the news about Getz on TV and debating what happened instead of them showing us. I think the higher ups at NBC didn’t want to fuel the speculation about Epstein’s death and so they had the episode end like that, NBC has an ugly history of protecting predator scum and I can’t help but feel like that’s why they ended the episode this way. Like I said, cowardly. 

Now on to the story - it was average, it was better than part 1, the best scenes were with Carisi and Garland working together, I like Garland, I still miss Dodds but I’m liking Garland’s style a lot as well, and him and Carisi working together to bully Judge Perv and arrest Getz and his lawyer was very good. 

Carisi needs to take a chill pill, he’s been running a hundred miles an hour this whole season and he was even more amped up tonight. I disliked Benson constantly telling Carisi to calm down, Benson isn’t his boss anymore, and Carisi needs to be more composed now that’s he’s an ADA. 

Fin was good, I liked his scenes with Kat and his best moment was at the end when Rollins told him to take it easy on Bucci and that he was NYPD and Fin replies “like hell he is”, Fin echoed my thoughts exactly and I love him telling it like it is. 

Again, it’s disgraceful how they’ve thrown “the DA” under the bus without explicitly saying there’s a new DA. The writers want to make the DA’s office a dysfunctional bureaucracy, and that goes against the style and history of the whole L&O franchise, I don’t like it. On the bright side, no Hadid and next week we will see Carisi’s first trial, maybe this means Hadid is gone for good? One can hope. 

There was some stuff left unanswered, what will happen to Getz’ lawyer and girlfriend. Surely they have some evidence against powerful people, will they get deals or will they rot in jail? 

Kat had the right to question Rollins, Rollins is an unethical trainwreck, and I didn’t like Carisi jumping her. 

Overall this was an improvement over part 1 but I still didn’t care for the storyline and thought it was cowardly how they ended it. Average episode overall.

Edited January 11, 2020 by Xeliou66

[ChristiKRN]

Overall, I thought it was a good episode in terms of acting and mediocre in terms of storyline.  Nick Turturro and Kelli Giddish both did an outstanding job in portraying the roller coaster of emotions during their scenes. No one really did a bad job tonight; other honorable mentions include Peter Scanavino and the actress playing the therapist.  

Storyline fell a little short.  I’m sure everyone was thrilled to know Noah made it into the Nutcracker; they could have used that 1 minute or 2 on the case.  It didn’t make sense to me that Getz committed suicide if he thought he had a shot at getting a deal or off completely; that needed to be fleshed out some more.  Of course, it had to end with Benson lamenting  about how the victims weren’t going to get their day in court.  If I was a victim and had a choice between reliving the nightmare in court or finding out the perp was dead , I would be doing a happy dance/throw a party/ etc to know he/she was dead.  

Other random thoughts:   If I was Bucci, I would have duct taped Rollins mouth shut; heck, or just shot her to shut her up.  I’m guessing Rollins now realizes she needs to have a good man in her life, so “Rollisi” fans may get what they want.  Did Kelli Giddish lose a lot of weight? She has always been very slim but seems to have taken it to a whole new level.  

[ChristiKRN]

4 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Now on to the story - it was average, it was better than part 1, the best scenes were with Carisi and Garland working together, I like Garland, I still miss Dodds but I’m liking Garland’s style a lot as well, and him and Carisi working together to bully Judge Perv and arrest Getz and his lawyer was very good. 

 

There was some stuff left unanswered, what will appendix to Getz’ lawyer and girlfriend. Surely they have some evidence against powerful people, will they get deals or will they rot in jail? 

Kat had the right to question Rollins, Rollins is an unethical trainwreck, and I didn’t like Carisi junping her.

I like Garland and Kat, also.  Great additions to the cast;  hopefully, the show runners don’t screw them up.  I’m surprised no one else thought that Rollins may have been in on it, considering they know her history better than the newbie would.  

 

 

[preeya]

All that shit and all we got was St. Olivia "was so angry."

AND we all known Jeffery, I mean Steve didn't commit suicide.  . . . . . . Ask Michael Baden.

Will there be a part three or maybe a sequel?

 

 

[dttruman]

5 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I think the higher ups at NBC didn’t want to fuel the speculation about Epstein’s death and so they had the episode end like that, NBC has an ugly history of protecting predator scum and I can’t help but feel like that’s why they ended the episode this way. Like I said, cowardly. 

So well said!!!

[dttruman]

5 hours ago, ChristiKRN said:

 If I was a victim and had a choice between reliving the nightmare in court or finding out the perp was dead , I would be doing a happy dance/throw a party/ etc to know he/she was dead.  

I think his grave should be a dance floor for all of his victims. While the victims are partying, the lawyers should be ripping apart his estate and business all the way down to the bone.

[dttruman]

5 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Kat had the right to question Rollins, Rollins is an unethical trainwreck, and I didn’t like Carisi jumping her. 

Can you imagine what the Rollins Fan Club would say if they saw this. No matter, that you are 100% right, they are almost as fanatical as Benson's.

[wknt3]

The Good:
Nicholas Turturo and Kelli Giddish. Not their characters mind you, they are still bad, but the actors did a great job selling material that was questionable at best and even occasionally got me to buy in.
Garland and Carisi. They made a good team and their scenes seemed like the best written and most well thought out parts of the episode.
Leight actually allowed a kidnapped female detective to get out on their own without extended torture porn! And they used the storyline to set up possibly nudging Rollins back on the rails. I don't have a lot of faith they'll follow through, but I was happy to see that maybe something good might come out of it. Bonus points for the elite detectives of the Special Victims Unit not completely botching a hostage situation!
Vincent Kartheiser was pretty good this time after being mostly forgettable last episode.
Fin and Kat had some good moments.
It was better than the first part.
The promos for next week look interesting.

The Bad:
What was the point of the Noah scene? In an episode that was already short of time to resolve the plot wasting time is unforgivable.
The ending. It was lame in a twofold way. First Benson lamenting that the poor abused women would never have their day in court was trite and horribly acted. If that was the best take I shudder to imagine what the rest were like. And then of course they blew it by deciding to make the suicide explicit when they could have had a great ambiguous ending by not showing the suicide directly and giving us enough to suggest that both incompetence and foul play were strong possibilities.
The pacing felt off throughout much of the episode and the search for Rollins never felt like it was the Red Ball all out mobilization that has always been shown throughout the franchise before in these sorts of situations.
The trashing of the DA's office and everyone above line ADA continues.

Overall it was a marked improvement over the last episode and I don't know how much of the problems were caused by botching the set up instead of unforced errors. There is definitely some potential if they choose to use it. Hopefully they build on this and get back on track.

Edited January 10, 2020 by wknt3

[dttruman]

11 minutes ago, wknt3 said:

First Benson lamenting that the poor abused women would never have their day in court was trite and horribly acted. If that was the best take I shudder to imagine what the rest were like.

Agreed, and they probably only had one take in the budget for this. It seems like the budget is shrinking more and more. That would explain the low quality of writing and storylines that  either don't make sense or are very unrealistic.

[HunterHunted]

"I need to get Getz off the streets. He's a predator and a danger to women and children," said Bucci, drunk on booze and self-righteousness, as he held a gun to the heads of the two female hostages and threatened to make the hostages' children orphans.

If this show had a sense of humor, Rollins would have given a massive  eyeroll to Bucci's pontificating.

[preeya]

1 hour ago, wknt3 said:

And then of course they blew it by deciding to make the suicide explicit when they could have had a great ambiguous ending by not showing the suicide directly and giving us enough to suggest that both incompetence and foul play were strong possibilities.

And totally mirroring real life!

[dttruman]

2 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

"I need to get Getz off the streets. He's a predator and a danger to women and children," said Bucci, drunk on booze and self-righteousness, as he held a gun to the heads of the two female hostages and threatened to make the hostages' children orphans.

If this show had a sense of humor, Rollins would have given a massive  eyeroll to Bucci's pontificating.

This is why I think that L&O SVU has really lost itself. They are condoning this course of action for Bucci and are bending over backwards to justify it. Going after a big fish like Getz and (mostly) having Rollins talk her way out of her hostage situation in one episode, cuts a lot of quality out for expediency sake. There must be a major budget issue or something.

Edited January 10, 2020 by dttruman

[wknt3]

10 hours ago, wknt3 said:

And then of course they blew it by deciding to make the suicide explicit when they could have had a great ambiguous ending by not showing the suicide directly and giving us enough to suggest that both incompetence and foul play were strong possibilities.

 

9 hours ago, preeya said:

And totally mirroring real life!

Congratulations! You understand how to do ripped from the headlines crime drama better than the current writers and producers of the Law & Order franchise. Better drama, better reflecting real life, there is seriously not one good reason to do it the way they did. Even if this was the NBC execs chickening out again they should have stood their ground on this one.

[tennisgurl]

Yeah lots of stuff happened, but most importantly, Olivia is ANGRY. About GIRLS! In COURT! Seriously show, thats what you ended on? A self important angry face from St. Olivia, the only person who truly cares for the poor victims? 

What a weird episode, it isnt exactly making me excited to see more of this season. The way they handled Not Epstein is so bizarre, why would they show him killing himself, and end with the detectives watching the news about it on TV, and debating what really happened, which is what they did anyway! Why not leave it ambiguous? And if they arent going to leave it ambiguous, why not show more of what happened to his girlfriend, or see more people being taken down? Why do it this way? 

This was by far one of the most low key kidnapping/hostage situation I've ever seen, at least of ones we are supposed to take seriously. Nobody even seemed to be doing anything besides the main characters, and then she just shows up like "hey guys sup?" and the crew is just "oh, hey Rollins" like the whole thing has been a mild annoyance and not a near death experience.  It seems like he could have just called Rollins and asked her out for pizza, thats how intense the situation seemed. It was well acted by everyone involved, and they were desperately trying to sell this as dramatic, but not only was the whole thing completely ridiculous, not only is all of this drama based around me caring about Rollins (which I dont particularly) but its all basically a variation of a plot that SVU did years ago, except they did it way better that time! It reminded me a bit of an episode where a guy kidnapped a pretty blond college girl and streamed him attacking her live, and said that he would only let her go if they reopened the case of his missing brother, which the cops had long since forgotten about. This has some real similarities, mostly in the "take a hostage to get justice so the cops must rush around solving a crime and getting a perp into prison to get the angry family member not to kill their hostage" parts. However, that one had real suspense and a sense of urgency from the SVU squad, a tragic cold case to solve, some interesting and actually subtle social commentary (the kidnapped girl is a pretty blond college student, and the guy basically says that he knew cops would go nuts trying to save someone like her, while they quickly gave up on his lower class little brother) and an ending that was actually surprising and interesting. 

Spoiler

The missing kid was still alive after being kidnapped and was rescued, and it turns out that the supposedly kidnapped girl was actually the guys friend, and was totally in on the whole thing. She was never in any danger, it was all a set up so that the cops would work his brothers case again, and the crew is left rather shaken that it took all of this to save an innocent child that fell through the cracks. I really liked that episode, and this one just seemed like a super lame version of that, with a bunch of lame Ripped From the Headlines stuff thrown in. 

I hope the sisters grandma is a better parent than their mom and dad, what a pair of pieces of work. The mom is either so drunk or so stupid that she nothing wrong with this creepy rich guy perving on her teenage daughters, after he was put on trail for abusing them (including her seeing the cops trying to arrest him again!) and them all hanging out together, and then accusing their dad of being the creep (and uses the word "chippie" in the year 2020) and trying to act all weepy when the blindingly obviously was pointed out to her. Of course, her ex really was a creep, and a truly terrible planner, especially for a veteran NYPD cop. I mean, his plan was...kidnap random cop, drive to diners and cheap motels, get billionaire in jail? Way to go Patton, truly there is no way this can go badly! And his ranting about his ex being a psycho and how Not Epstein is a danger to women and children is all pretty freaking rich coming from the guy holding people hostage with a gun!

On the plus sides, like I said before, the acting was pretty good, I liked the interactions between Fin and Kat, and I am thrilled that, as weirdly dull as Rollins being held hostage was, at least it never descended into creepily sexualized torture porn like in certain episodes where female detectives are held prisoner, and she was allowed to save herself and bring the perp in on her own, before she inevitably started crying into the chest of one of her male counterparts. The pacing was also a bit better than the first part, making it at least a better episode than that one.  

Edited January 12, 2020 by tennisgurl

[ForeverAlone]

Hmmm...I felt the hostage situation was ridiculous, overblown, and unnecessary. And all that time spent on the Amanda and Bucci talking it out left us with a Getz story that skipped some needed steps. There is no reason why he would have killed himself at that juncture of the case, when he likely would have gotten some sort of deal. Or at least if they were going to the die in prison route, at least make his death ambiguous. But I see no reason whey they had to show him definitively killing himself in prison, without a solid reason for doing so at that time. 

[wanderingstar]

On 1/9/2020 at 6:07 AM, dttruman said:

He has done so many questionable things, yet he seemed to get promoted.

That is kind of this show's thing.

The only character I liked in this one was Dr. Hanover (the psychologist).

Overall, this episode was pretty underwhelming. I didn't like the focus on Rollins-in-peril. And that Nick Turturro character was all over the place. His performance was cringeworthy. 

Also, not enough Fin.

 

Edited January 11, 2020 by Gillian Rosh

[dttruman]

6 hours ago, Gillian Rosh said:

The only character I liked in this one was Dr. Hanover (the psychologist).

I am still trying to figure out why she isn't used more, so as to advise them concerning suspects motives and so on. Her appearances here have been mostly to supplement the soap opera part of the show and not to help out with the investigation of crimes.

[Xeliou66]

1 hour ago, dttruman said:

I am still trying to figure out why she isn't used more, so as to advise them concerning suspects motives and so on. Her appearances here have been mostly to supplement the soap opera part of the show and not to help out with the investigation of crimes.

Agreed, I would like to see her be used in a manner similar to Dr Huang to see her consult with SVU on their cases, instead of just being used as a therapist the SVU team goes to to discuss their personal issues.

[dttruman]

19 hours ago, ForeverAlone said:

Hmmm...I felt the hostage situation was ridiculous, overblown, and unnecessary. And all that time spent on the Amanda and Bucci talking it out left us with a Getz story that skipped some needed steps. There is no reason why he would have killed himself at that juncture of the case,

Skipping the obvious the plot blunder where he didn't have a reason to commit suicide, because of his box of blackmail evidence. Is this another episode that should have been expanded to 2 episodes, so that the taking down of Getz could have been better developed?

[wknt3]

21 hours ago, ForeverAlone said:

Hmmm...I felt the hostage situation was ridiculous, overblown, and unnecessary.

It was all of that. And also the best depiction of a hostage situation on this series in over a decade...

4 hours ago, dttruman said:

I am still trying to figure out why she isn't used more, so as to advise them concerning suspects motives and so on. Her appearances here have been mostly to supplement the soap opera part of the show and not to help out with the investigation of crimes.

Pretty sure that's the influence of Warren Leight and possibly Mariska. This is typical of WL's use of psychologists/therapists in his writing. And having the squad consult an expert implies that maybe Benson and the squad don't know everything about victims and perps so that's obviously a touchy subject.

Edited January 12, 2020 by wknt3
ducking autocorrect...

[wanderingstar]

21 hours ago, ForeverAlone said:

And all that time spent on the Amanda and Bucci talking it out left us with a Getz story that skipped some needed steps.

This was my main beef with the episode. They left us on a cliffhanger that was about the Getz story, then we spend the majority of this episode with Amanda and the drip that is Bucci? *smh*

[Kel Varnsen]

On 1/11/2020 at 5:58 PM, dttruman said:

Skipping the obvious the plot blunder where he didn't have a reason to commit suicide, because of his box of blackmail evidence. Is this another episode that should have been expanded to 2 episodes, so that the taking down of Getz could have been better developed?

Wouldn't the box of blackmail evidence be a good reason to commit suicide. If you are going to put a lot of people in jail they might want to kill you as payback. Maybe he thought it better to go out on his own. Plus even if he wouldn't be spending life in prison he would still be going. And then civil cases would clean him out.

On a lighter note I wish they had picked a better name for Bucci. Since every time they mentioned it all I could think of was that SNL Spartan Cheerleaders sketch and Will Ferrell and Cheri Oteri chanting "cha cha Bucci".

[dttruman]

14 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

Wouldn't the box of blackmail evidence be a good reason to commit suicide. If you are going to put a lot of people in jail they might want to kill you as payback. Maybe he thought it better to go out on his own. Plus even if he wouldn't be spending life in prison he would still be going. And then civil cases would clean him out.

With that box of blackmail evidence and the way he was talking about it, I thought, that he thought, he would be going into witness protection or going to Club Fed to work on his tan. The last thing he was possibly thinking about was suicide, but the writers (and producers) left that wide open to too many speculations. I was hoping for a better resolution, but they only had so much time to work with for this subplot. Rollins' abduction story line, apparently was so much more important to the soap opera fans of the show.

Edited January 13, 2020 by dttruman

[spunky]

Carisi needs to have several seats with his attitude towards Kat. He’s acting as though Amanda hasn’t broken almost every rule since working with SVU. This entire episode was just 🙄

[dttruman]

18 hours ago, spunky said:

Carisi needs to have several seats with his attitude towards Kat. He’s acting as though Amanda hasn’t broken almost every rule since working with SVU. This entire episode was just 🙄

Good call! This will probably set up for future soap opera conflicts among the SVU. Even though Tamin has legitimate and objective concerns, I am sure Benson will take Rollins' side, because Rollins has more experience than Tamin. She will totally ignore all of Rollin's mess ups. I wonder if there will be an episode where Carisi will lie for Rollins, to cover for some of her antics.

I am also wondering if they are trying to develop Tamin's character like they did Amaro? Amaro loved to get into other peoples business and maybe for the right reasons at times, but if someone got into his business, he became so paranoid and resentful. He always had that "Holier Than Thou" attitude.

 

 

 

Edited January 14, 2020 by dttruman

[SarahPrtr]

56 minutes ago, dttruman said:

I wonder if there will be an episode where Carisi will lie for Rollins, to cover for her some of her antics.

He's not above acting outside of the law.  He told his niece to lie about being raped that time.

[dttruman]

3 hours ago, SarahPrtr said:

4 hours ago, dttruman said:

I wonder if there will be an episode where Carisi will lie for Rollins, to cover for her some of her antics.

He's not above acting outside of the law.  He told his niece to lie about being raped that time.

I wonder if Carisi will fall on his sword for Rollins the way Barba and Stone did for Benson? It seems to be the fashion on this show.

[SarahPrtr]

1 hour ago, dttruman said:

I wonder if Carisi will fall on his sword for Rollins the way Barba and Stone did for Benson? It seems to be the fashion on this show.

Also fashion on the show is to vilify, humiliate and pussify all the good, decent and strong men.  Wouldn't surprise me if they did that to Carisi (I mean, they screwed up Cragen, so nobody is safe), although he wouldn't leave the show because Leight loves Peter Scanavino, so he'll be on until the show ends.

[spunky]

9 hours ago, dttruman said:

Good call! This will probably set up for future soap opera conflicts among the SVU. Even though Tamin has legitimate and objective concerns, I am sure Benson will take Rollins' side, because Rollins has more experience than Tamin. She will totally ignore all of Rollin's mess ups. I wonder if there will be an episode where Carisi will lie for Rollins, to cover for her some of her antics.

I am also wondering if they are trying to develop Tamin's character like they did Amaro? Amaro loved to get into other peoples business and maybe for the right reasons at times, but if someone got into his business, he became so paranoid and resentful. He always had that "Holier Than Thou" attitude.

 

 

 

Thanks. I feel like Tamin is already aware of the crap and refuses to be a part of it. I'm hoping there's an episode where she calls Carisi out on his attitude.

Edited January 14, 2020 by spunky

[Kel Varnsen]

On 1/13/2020 at 11:31 AM, dttruman said:

With that box of blackmail evidence and the way he was talking about it, I thought, that he thought, he would be going into witness protection or going to Club Fed to work on his tan. The last thing he was possibly thinking about was suicide, but the writers (and producers) left that wide open to too many speculations. I was hoping for a better resolution, but they only had so much time to work with for this subplot. 

I wonder if that was his plan but then after hearing what Carisi said he figured he was probably going to spend sometime in real prison and on top of that one of the people he sold out would probably try and kill him.

Although once he mentioned about the blackmail box I kind of wish Carisi said something to remind him that they have actual detectives, so they would charge him with everything they could and then just investigate him further and find the damn box without him.

[dttruman]

1 hour ago, Kel Varnsen said:

Although once he mentioned about the blackmail box I kind of wish Carisi said something to remind him that they have actual detectives, so they would charge him with everything they could and then just investigate him further and find the damn box without him.

I don't think Getz is that stupid, but the writers (and producers) could make him that way for expediency reasons. But I think he would have one of his other lawyers or close confidants pick it up for him.

[Amiiiii]

Anyone noticed, at the end of the episode, how Carisi answered the question Fin made? I mean, he asks “How’s Rollins doin” and Carisi says “she’s... she’s good” as if he was embarrassed or wanted to avoid the question. Anyone had this feeling?

[Corvino]

I thought Getz's motivation for killing himself was that he and his lawyer were all smug about getting immunity for handing over that box o'blackmail, and then the detectives showed him the key to the box, indicating that they already had it and didn't need him. So he did, in fact, face life in prison with no deals.

I am that rare bird for whom the first scene of the earlier episode was written. I wanted to see, from the start, that he ended up jailed and (self-)punished, because then I could enjoy the twists and turns of the two episodes without burning with indignation lest he get away. And I thought it was an interesting approach for us to know for sure that it was suicide, but have the detectives spinning theories about fake death or murder. Of course if it does turn out for certain that Jeffrey Epstein was murdered, the writers will have sidestepped a massive can of worms by doing it that way, and they'll surely be embarrassed at having chosen the false story as their fictional truth.  It's VERY suspicious, all right. But the show does claim that the story is not based on any real person or event, so... Getz is just not Epstein. Riiiiiight.

I agree that the perp turning up dead would be cause for exultation among the victims. Especially if, as the name Bucci might indicate, they were Catholics and believed that suicide would send him right to Hell (though really it's his crimes that would do that).

But I thought this episode was really good. Of course one doesn't enjoy the older daughter's victimization in Part One, but there's so much to enjoy here. The silly mother's comeuppance when she learns the truth, the takedown of the judge and lawyer, and the fact that since Bucci had no intention of doing anything sexual to Rollins, the kidnapping was suspenseful but not unpleasant. Yep, I liked it.

Oh, Connor, semi-innocent son of Angel, how low have you sunk since that show! Will Vincent Kartheiser ever play a good guy again, or will his baby face keep him in the villain box for the irresistible paradox?

[dttruman]

1 hour ago, Corvino said:

Oh, Connor, semi-innocent son of Angel, how low have you sunk since that show! Will Vincent Kartheiser ever play a good guy again, or will his baby face keep him in the villain box for the irresistible paradox?

I guess you never saw "Mad Men". a very popular show after Angel (which was a well written show).

 

2 hours ago, Corvino said:

. And I thought it was an interesting approach for us to know for sure that it was suicide, but have the detectives spinning theories about fake death or murder. Of course if it does turn out for certain that Jeffrey Epstein was murdered, the writers will have sidestepped a massive can of worms by doing it that way, and they'll surely be embarrassed at having chosen the false story as their fictional truth.  It's VERY suspicious, all right. But the show does claim that the story is not based on any real person or event, so... Getz is just not Epstein. Riiiiiight.

Another commentator mentioned earlier that NBC may have influenced that scene, since NBC has some of their own problems with sexual harassment and their association with friends of Epstein. I personally don't consider this too far off.

[dttruman]

2 hours ago, Corvino said:

I thought Getz's motivation for killing himself was that he and his lawyer were all smug about getting immunity for handing over that box o'blackmail, and then the detectives showed him the key to the box, indicating that they already had it and didn't need him. So he did, in fact, face life in prison with no deals.

I am still a little fuzzy on that. I thought Getz said he had something that trumped his lawyer's blackmail evidence. Wasn't it Getz's new lawyer that showed the safety deposit box key to the ADA and the detective? I always thought the DAs office loved deals that brings down corrupt officials or bigger criminals, especial on other franchises of Law & Order.