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"Blood on the Door" - I am wondering why 20/20 is covering this story now? It is an old story and has been covered by at least one of the other true crime shows previously. That said, because it has been a few years I don't remember if the other show(s) covered all the same details as this episode. I was appalled at the interrogation by the polygraph administrator of the roommate. And his apparent mistakes in reading the polygraph. I hope he received some type of disciplinary action. I don't remember previously it being said that the knife was Johnia's? Was she really sleeping with it, or did the intruder/murderer actually bring it with him? If she was sleeping with it, I wonder why she felt the need to do so? One thing that surprised me was the law that Jania's mother Joan was able to get passed, which has now apparently been adopted by 34 other states. I am surprised that someone who has been arrested (rather that someone convicted) of a serious crime would have their DNA downloaded to a national data base. We know how often people are arrested in error and then let go, either because they are found not guilty or are let go even before there is a trail because they were arrested in error. What would have made more sense to me is if anyone convicted of any crime has to submit their DNA. If that were the law, and the law when Johnia was killed, her killer's DNA would have been in the database since he was already convicted of petty crimes. My guess as to why he left the note blaming his sometime partner in crime of the murder (even though only his DNA was found at the scene) was that he did not want his infant son to grow up thinking his father was a murderer.

This is case where I would say there are more questions than answers, still. Regarding the knife, it was not linked back to either roommate, and no one testified that Nichole had a knife or liked to collect knives. Also, if Nichole was the killer why would she leave the knife there? Even if she left without it, she would have had a chance to return to get it. The knife had 3 DNA profiles on it, Anita's was the only one that was established. Anita also had unidentified male DNA under her right fingernails. The prosecution I believe was trying to say that, as a poster wrote above, they argued and Anita was killed in the heat of the moment. But she wasn't, she was killed in bed by two stab wounds to the heart. Hardly seems like a frenzied killing by someone in a fit of rage. The testimony of the building manager popped up on my phone, so I decided to watch it. It is possible that the jury nodded off at times as the woman prosecutor was mind numbingly boring, and meandering in her questions. I found the defense was much better at questioning and held my interest. Was it established in the episode that the woman building manager and Marty the maintenance man were actually a couple and lived together? I don't remember it being said but they were together for 10 years and he worked as the maintenance man for 2 years. He showed her the screen and told her that he found it on the ground close to the sidewalk. He told the police that it was in the window. Odd though that neither one thought it was odd to find a screen with a cut in it? The manager, Laura, testified that she and Marty never talked about finding Anita's body or anything about someone being killed on property, after Anita was found. The defense attorney asked her twice and she said both times they never discussed it. I find that very odd. Also Marty committed suicide on New Years Day, 6 months after Anita was murdered. Even after his death he was considered a suspect in the case. I saw a clip of a police officer who carried out interviews after Cold Justice came on the scene being asked if they interviewed the drifter. He said no, they didn't because he was not on the list provided by Cold Justice. OMG.

Forgot to add to my above post: What was the motive for the killing? It was established that the two roommates had decided to part ways, so what would be the motive? As is often the case, I found the fawning over the victim a little over the top. Yes, she was beautiful and popular. But someone who repeatedly turned off the fish tank filter and eventually killed the fish (because she thought the tank was too loud) is not someone I would call kind.

I think the jury got this one right. There is no way if I were a juror I could have convicted Nichole. I don't know if she is guilty or innocent, but there are certainly things that don't add up. It makes no sense to me that if Nichole was the killer, she would leave the door locked, knowing that only 4 people had keys. It would make more sense to leave the door unlocked, as if Anita let someone in, and they also left through the front door. The screen thing is interesting. The maintenance man said in the initial police interview that he noticed that the screen was cut, and took it to be repaired. They when he returned it, he let himself in, called out, and threw the screen into the bedroom (where it just happened a murdered Anita lay). Odd. As I often do when Dateline covers a case, I tried to find more info on what happened during the trail. One thing I read was that the girlfriend of the maintenance man testified. She testified because he was dead, he had committed suicide (did they mention this in the episode?). She said that he told her that he found the screen on the ground. But in his interview with the police he said that the screen was in the window. Why the change in story? I also found the murder weapon interesting. It doesn't seem to be the type of knife a woman would have, more like something a guy would own. (Do women usually collect knives? None that I know). And the fact that it couldn't be traced back to either of the roommates. Then of course there is also the unknown male DNA. I think the fact that Cold Justice rode into town to solve the case may have worked against the prosecution. The scene they showed from the show where law enforcement tearfully tell the family that they have arrested a suspect I found distasteful. Is that series still running? I remember attorney Kelly Siegler being in hot water several years ago for withholding evidence when she was a lawyer. Possibly manufacturing it as well? Can't remember the details but I think it was in more than one case. I find her repugnant.

Just when I think I have seen it all, I am proven wrong. To answer DanaK, Christina's fiancé is in jail because when he gave his cell phone to the police so that they could rule him out as being involved in the murder, they found numerous pictures of child pornography on his phone. Not to speak ill of the dead, but Christina had terrible taste in men, to put it mildly. I was also shocked when they showed Post at the trail. I would not have known it was the same guy as was in the driveway the morning he found Christina's body. The bizarre thing too is that in the driveway his hair was silver gray, at the trail it was mousy brown. So did he dye it to try to look suave, and mousy brown is his actual colour. I agreed with the cop though who was gobsmacked that Post turned over his phone knowing what was on it. Mello, another creepy, slimy character. You could tell that he thought he was the smartest guy in the room, whereas he was totally transparent. And Zack Hughes? What a whacko. What I thought was really odd was that he killed Christina by stabbing her multiple times. We all know from watching these shows that killers who use knives often cut themselves as the knife gets slippery from blood. You would think that he would be worried that he might damage his hands, which could end his career as a pianist (such as it was). Then we have Hughes' father speaking in court about how proud he is of his son. WTF? Your son took away the mother of an innocent child. OMG!!!! The whole case was just bizarre and gross from start to finish. I was appalled that the daughter is with a friend of Mello's, and that Christina's sister has to fight to get custody of her. How ridiculous.

Regarding "A Cool Desert Morning", like others I am disgusted with the light sentence her husband received. What I don't understand is why the drug dealer was not questioned as to what he sold the husband on the night that Susan died. Could they not have proved that he bought oxy? In any case, it was obvious that he would have gotten away with murder had Susan's parents not had deep pockets. And with the light sentence he received, he pretty much did get away with murder.

When Pinkus and his daughter first showed up, all I could think was "Why did they chose two actors who look so little alike?". Lol. Making Pete able to leave the property has brought so many good storylines to the show. I LOL'd when Pete walked onto his girlfriend's neighbour's property and asked if there were any ghosts there. Also loved the ghost's 80s track suit and walkman. And finding out at the end that the elderly lady gardening was the ghost's wife and murderer of Donna's husband. Well written and acted episode, as usual.

I really enjoyed this episode. I loved the scene where Missy tried to get sympathy from Mary as she had just lost the "love of her life", and Mary was having none of it. Well acted episode from all the actors. I wonder if the next season will bring more episodes with the old YS cast, now that the show has had a season to establish Georgie and Mandy as leads, and also given the viewers a year to grieve the loss of George?

I enjoyed this episode, and it was made even better by there being no Ryan. Unfortunately it looks like he makes a return appearance next week. I wish the producers would leave out the bloggers/haters scenes. Some people will do anything for attention, and putting them on TV just gives them more reason to stalk Gypsy. I was a little taken aback when Rod said early on that he thought Ken was an idiot. I don't know if he was joking and it just didn't translate well on screen. But he did redeem himself when he talked later in the show about how much Ken loves Gypsy, and that he is there for her. It is good that he acknowledges that their baby will have the love of two parents, which Gypsy did not have. I thought it was ironic as well when Ken's mom talked to Ken about how he will feel when his baby is born, given that Gypsy's mom obviously did not have those feelings for her daughter. I am glad that both Gypsy and Ken have supportive families.

Oh, but Colter would just fix whatever was broken with twigs from the forest. Every week I say to myself that I am going to stop watching, as the turn the show has taken this season is not entertaining. As others have said, it is just lazy writing. I started watching the show not for Justin (who I do like well enough) but to see if I could spot familiar places in the lower mainland of B.C. A few weeks ago they filmed part of the episode in my mom's hometown, and I was able to see the property that was owned by my grandmother (and great grandparents before her). That almost made it worth wading though the dreck that this show has become. At this point the scenery, and the addition of Randy who is awesome, are the only things keeping me watching. I often ff through (what seems like) the endless abuse of women scenes.

I really hope the series stops giving Ryan air time. He is insufferable, and adds nothing to the show. I also wish they would stop showing the losers who have made their life following Gypsy's. Showing them only gives them fuel to try to get their own 15 minutes of fame. Why fan the flames? I don't follow Gypsy on SM but my guess would be that they don't post about the baby, otherwise it would still show up in other venues/shows/articles. Good for them. And it may be easier for Gypsy that one might think. After all, her whole childhood into adulthood was in the public eye due to her mother's insatiable appetite for attention and scamming. Gypsy might go in the extreme other direction to protect her daughter.

You are right. I did some more googling, and came across an article by The Cinemaholic. It describes the then upcoming Dateline episode, and even in the article describes Desiree and Scott as high school sweethearts. It then goes on to name Scott's children and their partners, just as were named in Jeffrey's obituary. It is shocking that this article didn't figure out that Jeffrey would actually be a year or so older than Desiree, so no way could his father and Desiree have been high school sweethearts as the Dateline episode claimed. I haven't seen anything stating Scott's age, but yes he has to be a couple of decades older than stated in the episode. And obviously the picture shown of Desiree in high school was not with Scott. (Though I must say for being in his likely early to mid 40s when they married, he looked very young and fresh faced). Good on you for figuring it out, and yikes on Dateline for making such a huge error. Makes you wonder what else they might be reporting in other episodes that is totally inaccurate. Thanks for posting about this again, Realitystarr. Dateline should hire you to do their research, as whoever is doing it is, or at least was for this episode, incompetent.

I was hoping someone would post regarding Friday's episode. So many red flags right away on that case that were ignored. Even though it was almost 20 years ago, surely law enforcement should have been advanced enough at that time to spot obvious flags. Right away when Matt said to the 911 operator that Kari's lips were blue and her hands were cold, I said out loud, "Not possible", if she was alive 40 minutes before when he left. The EMTs said that lividity had set in, again not possible with his timeline. And telling the 911 operator that she left a note, but telling the police that the police found the note and handed it to him. An unsigned, typed suicide note at that. Thank goodness for Kari's mother Linda, but I was also surprised that she wasn't suspicious (or suspicious enough) to go to police until she saw that Kari's cell phone was being used after her death. Just a few days before her death, Kari told her about Matt's note blaming Kari for Kassidy's death. It was the final straw and Linda said Kari told her she was going to leave Matt. In any case thank goodness the body was exhumed months after the death, and Matt was convicted just a few years later. What an evil person to be fine with letting his daughters grow up to think their mother left them by her own choice. It really is too bad that Vanessa could not be charged with anything. She knew Matt was going to kill his wife, and stayed silent. She really only got emotional on the stand when she relayed that Matt threatened her if she told anyone. How creepy that she was fine with going ring shopping with her lover's children, weeks after her lover killed their mother. OMFG.

So often Dateline leaves out pertinent information in cases they are covering. The show often goes out of its way to leave the viewer wondering how the accused was convicted, but a google search will usually find several pieces of evidence that Dateline did not disclose. It is extremely annoying. I had a hard time believing that Katie was guilty based on the Dateline episode, save for one thing. The fact that she bought the prepaid credit cards that were used to purchase the medication used to kill Mary. I haven't seen the Hulu documentary, but wonder if Mary discovered that Katie was stealing from the practice? Poor Mary, to think that three people close to her, her husband, son and office manager were all creepy enough (at least that label applies to son and husband) to be viable suspects in her murder. And I agree with others about the two annoying daughters. I am sorry their mother was murdered, but listening to them was like chalk on a black board.

I have found the last several episodes of 20/20 to be really well done as well, and have come to actually prefer 20/20 to Dateline. Like the first person posting about this episode, I wondered how Paul got custody of his children, and wondered if he had abused and threatened his wife into giving him custody. That and possibly snowing the courts. As one participant in the episode said, he thinks he is the smartest person in the room. I was horrified that he tried to pin the murder on his 16 year old son, even going so far as to try to convince the son the take the wrap. Telling him that jail isn't that bad, the food is good and he wouldn't have to worry about being raped? One of the most sickening things I have heard a murderer say and do, and it is a pretty high bar to start with. Too bad the death penalty was not (I assume) an option.

I think the article meant that Scott was 39 when his son passed away in 2019. Dateline showed pics of Scott and Desi as teenagers together (looked like maybe a prom pic) and said that Desi was 16, making Scott 17. They married in 2003 when Scott was 22, making his birth year 1980-81. What Dateline did leave out was that Scott had three children from a previous relationship, and all had to have been born before he married Desiree as the article I read said that they were all from a previous relationship, and that he never had another serious relationship after Desiree died and his relationship with Paige ended. Dateline made it sound like they had been together since they were teenagers and but never explained why they didn't marry until they were 22 and 21 years old. It seems Scott was with another women and had three children with her before he got back with Desiree and they married in 2003. Not sure why Dateline left that info out, but I find that Dateline often omits info that doesn't fit the narrative they are presenting. It seems Scott may not have had anything to do with his kids while he was with Desiree as there was no mention of her being a step mom to three kids. Very odd. The article I read didn't say how old Scott's son was when he died in 2019, only that is was a sudden death.

Every once in awhile a Dateline episode comes along that plays out like a Coen brothers movie script. This was one of those episodes. Other than sadly there was a real life victim, the "movie" was even perfectly cast. Yikes. At one point Paige described Marty as being like a fixer to her. What my ears heard was that he was like a sister, and in this weird cast of characters, that made perfect sense to me. That was so strange, and I am sure to all of us true crime addicts we assumed that the break in a week before was a set up to give more credibility to the husbands actions. I am still not convinced that the husband and Paige were not involved, though I suppose when Marty turned on Paige enough to want her dead, he would have spilled that he did it because she was pregnant with Scott's baby and he wanted Scott free and clear for Paige. So Paige has 4 kids now. The first of course was her ex's, though she stated that it was "supposed" to be Scott's. I wonder if the baby daddies of the other three kids are who she though they were supposed to be as well? She really is a piece of work.

I would imagine Olympia leaving and starting her own firm, with Matty coming along, is where the show is heading if there is a second season. I don't for a minute think that Olympia was involved in the cover up. With Matty saying that Olympia is the first true friend she has had in a long time, and Bitsy commenting to Matty that she thinks Matty has really missed working as a lawyer, It seems that the show is telegraphing just that.

I didn't know Tim had a book out, so thanks for that info. I picked it up at the library today and have started it. So far I am enjoying it very much.

I did find Ken to be controlling in the restaurant scene. I can't stand seafood so I sympathized with Gypsy, even more so with pregnant Gypsy. Other than that though I haven't seen any red flags from Ken. Time will tell I guess. I found it interesting that Gypsy told Ryan even before they married that she was not attracted to him. That makes all the pawing he continuously did when she was released from prison (and right up until she left him) even more cringey. Who knows if things will work out with Ken, but I am glad she left Ryan.

Not to mention, there are likely as many married men in strip clubs as single men. I find so much about Bob's life leading up to the stabbing, odd. He told many people that he was relocating to Miami because of the increase of drugs and crime in San Francisco. This was widely reported before his reckless lifestyle was uncovered. Considering his lifestyle, I can't imagine that he would have been any safer in Miami. So that reason does not ring true. I think his brother said in the show that he moved to live with his father, but his father lived in SF as well and they both moved to Miami. I also find it odd that he would leave his two teenage children in drug and crime ridden San Francisco, and move across the country where he obviously would not be seeing them as often as he would if he was still living in the same area. Not to blame the victim, but I think besides his reckless lifestyle contributing to his death, there was more to his life and possible move that his family did not want to divulge. Which is their right of course, but painting him as a saint as they did does not add up either.

My thoughts too. I did some googling as I wondered if there was any more info on the case. One thing I came across (not about the case itself) was that Bob's brother started a GoFundMe to raise money for the family as he said that Bob's assets were frozen. At the time of the article he had only raised around $8,000 of the $50,000 ask. Some wondered why the family couldn't just get a loan based on his worth, to hold them over. Odd. The other odd thing is that several sites reported Bob's net worth to be $10 million. One site said $16 million. That seems very low for someone who had a hand in inventing products that sold billions. Did he blow a bunch (no pun intended)? Ten million is not a lot of money, at all. I would not consider that to be in the "wealthy" category, and certainly not what the episode was alluding to with regards to his wealth.

Hmmm, is this the first time we have heard that Kody told Meri when they moved to Las Vegas that she had been mean to him for 20 years, and she would have to spend the next 20 years making it up to him for him to have a relationship with her? First I have heard of it, anyway. So another example of how the Browns have lied to viewers for years (that would have been in 2011) about the real state of their relationships. At this point, the show appears to have been for years (if not all of its years) a fictional show, not reality TV. I wanted to thank Kody though for asking Robin to finally drop the convos about his relationships with the first three wives. Yes Robin, he has said that he never loved them. Yes Robin, he has said he did love them. We get it, and we don't care. Kody flip flops. Nothing new. I did love though that Kody admitted that Janelle has treated him the way he treated Meri. I loved Christine saying that David gives Truely compliments all the time. Who knows if she has ever had one from her bio dad. I chuckled when Christine pointed out the place where David proposed, Hell's Revenge. I think it should be renamed Christine's Revenge. All the ex wives are looking much better than when they were with Kody, and Kody looks every bit, if not older, than his soon to be 56 years.

I am not a fan of Mel's (or maybe I just dislike the actress playing her, not sure which) but I have never been able to stand the character of Hope. I have never read the books, was she this much of a bitch in the novels? What I find completely ridiculous is that now we are introduced to her ex, who was apparently so controlling that Hope was meek and mild around him. Not likely. Women who are controlled and get up the courage to leave a man may become more assertive, but if they were a nice person before hand they will not lose that characteristic. Hope has been a bitch on wheels from day one, I don't for a minute believe the back story that she left and never told her hubby why, because she was never allowed a voice in the marriage. Is this how the storyline goes in the novels as well? Still three episodes to go for me, but as ever I am only watching for the scenery, and because of Tim Matheson.

A few episodes in as well, and way too much time is being spent on Mel, her father, and her father and mother's backstory. I can barely stomach Mel at the best of times, and have zero interest in her parents, either past, or present as in the case of her dad. Some things drag on forever, but other things conclude at lightning speed, like Preacher's trail. That has always been the case with the show, I don't know why I was hoping this season would be an improvement. However I will stick it out, and ff past many scenes/people that I have no interest in, as per usual.