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Warner Bros & Greg Berlanti Grow ‘Little Shop Of Horrors’ Revamp by Mike Fleming Jr December 7, 2016 12:45pm http://deadline.com/2016/12/little-shop-of-horrors-greg-berlanti-warner-bros-musical-movie-matthew-robinson-1201866086/

Or - Oliver told Felicity that he believed in magic back in S1 because, for once, he remembered his time on the island out of season, and he was referring to his own experiences with magic in the form of the Magic Idol, Taiana and Constantine. Also, although I think that jbuffyangel often has a point when she's talked about light symbolism in the past, this time I think she's really stretching it with her flashback "spotlight" comment below. However, although her symbolism analysis sometimes goes way over the top, she does make some good points about 509 that I agree with... BE BETTER: ARROW 5X09 REVIEW (WHAT WE LEAVE BEHIND) DECEMBER 08, 2016 @ 11:32 http://jbuffyangel.tumblr.com/post/154210887808/be-better-arrow-5x09-review-what-we-leave

Tyler Ritter's final Arrow tweets (from Dec. 7)... "It's finally Take Your Lunchbox to Work Day. And yes, that means Malone is getting back to work TONIGHT in a big way. #ArrowMidseasonFinale" https://twitter.com/TylerRitter/status/806589611858214912 "Have to wait 2 more hours for this #Arrow episode but my 6th sense just told me Malone is currently gearing up to kick some ass for his girl" https://twitter.com/TylerRitter/status/806671651622400000 "I'm gonna guess he's doing what he was born to do: save Star City, one factory at a time (The superheroes tend to move more quickly) ??" https://twitter.com/TylerRitter/status/806673902168457216 "Had one hell of a ride with @CW_Arrow cast and crew! @StephenAmell gave me an epic send off and @EmilyBett was simply the best. Thank you! ?" https://twitter.com/TylerRitter/status/806727191996174336 "The world was wide enough for both olicity and me.." https://twitter.com/TylerRitter/status/806746792410779650

I need to correct a previous post above. It was the Vigilante (not Prometheus) who said that the GA had never experienced loss, thereby indicating that the Vigilante didn't know that Oliver was the GA. This cuts against Adrian Chase being Prometheus. From 507: Vigilante: "Shut up! You're not getting the job done because you don't take it seriously enough. Maybe because you haven't lost anyone. You don't have a full understanding of what's out there." Oliver: "Oh, I've lost people. Almost more than I can bear." Vigilante: "Then it hasn't been more than you can bear. Maybe you need a push!" Also, TR tweeted a thank you/goodbye to Arrow cast and crew. So that rules out Billy faking his death and being Prometheus.

Arrow Season 5 Episode 9 Review: “What We Leave Behind” Chris King Dec. 7, 2016 http://www.tvovermind.com/the-cw/arrow/arrow-season-5-episode-9-review-what-we-leave-behind

A shocking resurrection (?!), and Prometheus revealed in the midseason finale of Arrow Trent Moore Wed, Dec 07, 2016 11:21pm http://www.blastr.com/2016-12-7/shocking-resurrection-and-prometheus-revealed-midseason-finale-arrow

Huh? Did this reviewer intend to list Laurel's return as part of the "negativity toll"? And since when has Laurel been "too integral" to the show's "eventual happy ending"?... Arrow Season 5 Episode 9: What We Leave Behind Review Tyler McCarthy Dec. 7, 2016 http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/arrow/260570/arrow-season-5-episode-9-what-we-leave-behind-review

Return of Laurel spoilers (in chronological order)... -- On when we'll see her again on other TV shows, KC: "Other TV shows like the Flash? Legends? ... I have no idea... I don't know, because I have a contract right now. So whenever that contract, I guess, is up. I don't know. But I know you'll see me on those three - Arrow, Flash, Legends. At least." (Sep. 9, 2016 video of US Weekly interview with KC, page 473 of Social Media thread) -- On what ways we might see KC appear in Arrow outside of just flashbacks, WM: "I can tell you that we're really excited about having her back. You will see in the episodes where she appears - Episode 510 definitely, our midseason premiere. Keep your eyes out for that. We're so excited about getting to work with her again and her willingness to come back. It's one of the fun parts of the show. People can leave and get killed and you can still find new and crazy ways for them to come back. I can definitely tell you that there's a way we're going to bring her back and she's going to be alive and well. And Flashpoint might have a little bit to do with that." (Oct. 2, 2016 TV Guide article, page 45 of Spoilers thread) -- On whether KC will be on the Flash again this season, Flash EP Andrew Kreisberg: "Again, we don’t want to give too much away, but Katie will be back and it’s going to be fun and exciting — that much I can promise." (Oct. 3, 2016 Entertainment Weekly article, page 201 of Mind Your Surroundings thread) -- Canadagraphs tweeted that Laurel is dead, that we'll only see her as a flashback or evil E2 version, and that she won't be back in her current BC form. (Oct. 5, 2016 Canadagraphs tweets, page 46 of Spoilers thread) -- On how they will use WMiller, JBarrowman and KC, MG: "On 'Legends of Tomorrow' Wentworth and John will be members of the Legion of Doom. Katie is a far more interesting question because we actually have a story for Katie on 'Legends of Tomorrow' that I am super excited about. It could be the thing I’m most excited about. But it’s early, and we’re not ready to spoil what that’s going to be. I think it could be really, really awesome." (Oct. 11, 2016 IMDB article, page 206 of Mind Your Surroundings thread) -- On what he can tease about KC's return, MG: "I will say it’s really been wonderful watching her in dailies again. I’m excited about our plans, but midseason is so far off, I have to be particularly stingy in terms of details." (Oct. 12, 2016 Mashable article, page 184 of Starling City Times thread) -- When asked about KC returning to the many different series, GB: "She gets to play a couple of different things this year... that's a good tease, right? She's not just playing a character this year - she's a couple of different things." Interviewer interjected: "Black Siren is still on the table, correct?" GB nodded. (KSiteTV video interview with GB at Arrow's Oct. 22, 2016 100th Episode Celebration, page 50 of Spoilers thread) -- On Laurel's return: WM: “I can tease that she’s coming back... We’re really excited to have her, and it’s absolutely going to be a surprising, cool way that we bring her back." SA: “We find her in a very unexpected spot at a very, very retrospectively expected time." Per MMcL, Evelyn’s reaction to the Canary would probably be similar to her own response when she first met Katie Cassidy, saying: “Probably a bit star struck… they’re big shoes to fill... Meeting Katie, she was the sweetest; she totally embraced me and really welcomed me, and I have a feeling it would be a really similar encounter with Evelyn and the Black Canary.” GB revealed that we’ll be seeing Laurel in several alternate ways, saying: “She gets to play a couple of different things this year. She’s not just playing a character this year. She’s a couple of different things." On whether Black Siren is still on the table, GB nodded that yes, she is. (Oct. 25, 2016 GATV article, page 1191 of Spoiler Discussion thread) -- Static Rift tweeted: "Just found out that @MzKatieCassidy will be back on Arrow and Flash as Black Siren." (Nov. 11, 2016 StaticRiftRadio tweet, page 48 of Spoilers thread) -- Canadagraphs tweeted that KC will be back as Black Siren, not Black Canary, for at least two episodes. (Nov. 12, 2016 Canadagraphs tweet, page 1214 of Spoiler Discussion thread) -- On whether Laurel is really alive, SA said we'd have to tune in when Arrow returns in January to find out. SA: "Obviously, people don't just come back from the dead. So, there has to be some sort of vetting process to make sure it actually is Laurel. Because the group has seen some, uh, some peculiar things, but we delve into that when we come back in - in the new year." (Dec. 7, 2016 SA facebook video post, page 50 of Spoilers thread)

It's not clear, but I think this reviewer is speculating that Billy is Prometheus and somehow faked "Billy's"death... Review: ‘Arrow’ Sets Prometheus Theories Ablaze With ‘What We Leave Behind’ Kevin Fitzpatrick Dec. 7, 2016 http://screencrush.com/arrow-what-we-leave-behind-review/

‘Arrow’ Midseason Finale Recap: “What We Leave Behind” – Consequences BY KAYTI BURT Dec. 7, 2016 http://collider.com/arrow-recap-what-we-leave-behind/

From 509... Felicity: "Well, in our town, people who are dead turn out to be secretly alive almost every Wednesday." Felicity (to Oliver over comms): "No. You need to pull back. It's not safe. Five years, and he still doesn't listen." Rory: "Did you get all that?" Rene: "You're the smart one, remember?" Billy: "I'm not letting this go. Felicity, you know how I feel about you, but I have to be true to who I am." Rene (looking at Thea): "Think in Flashpoint I maybe dated her back in high school?" Rory: "It's an alternate timeline, not an alternate reality." Felicity: "That is that I'm trying to figure out. That and why men don't listen when you specifically tell them not to do something. Why don't you guys listen?" ... Oliver: "Well, try it anyways. It's kitchen sink time. And we don't listen because we're stubborn." Curtis (to Felicity, about Paul): "He just doesn't get it. I have to do this no matter what. I have to be true to who I am." Felicity: "All right. Well, lucky for you, there is the Internet, and then there is the 'Internet,' and these magic fingers can pull things out of it even Google can't find - not that I believe in magic (chuckles) - or that I have magic fingers. I just - I'm really good at - I'm - I can un -" ... Oliver: "I do believe in magic." Oliver (to Susan): "I was reunited with someone from my past recently. I knew their father, and they told me that I ruin the lives of everyone that I come into contact with. Doesn't matter who they are. Doesn't matter how much I love them. If I'm in their life... that life turns to ash."

Arrow wraps up its resurgent fall season by reckoning with its past By Alasdair Wilkins Dec 8, 2016 1:35 AM http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/arrow-wraps-its-resurgent-fall-season-reckoning-it-247102

Flashback Olicity scene (courtesy of Arrow)... Also, this season's "I know you in your bones" and "it's my choice, my life" must be the following: -- Billy (to Felicity): "I'm not letting this go. Felicity, you know how I feel about you, but I have to be true to who I am." -- Curtis (to Felicity, about Paul): "He just doesn't get it. I have to do this no matter what. I have to be true to who I am." ETA: For anyone wanting to know what happened in this episode, I've posted the EW recap in the Starling City Times thread.

Do all showrunners go to the same TV writing school? Watching TV has been a déjà vu experience lately. In Gotham's midseason finale, Jim Gordon killed his ex-girlfriend Lee's fiance. In Arrow's midseason finale, Oliver just killed Felicity's new boyfriend. (Though the circumstances were different.) In a recent Once Upon a Time episode, we got to see a version of what Emma's life would've been like if she had never been a Savior. In a recent Arrow episode, we got to see a version of what Oliver's life would've been like if he had never become a vigilante. (Though neither version was realistic or in character, imo.)

So now it appears like Prometheus is Justin Claybourne's son - some new character who we haven't met yet and maybe hasn't even been cast yet, since the big reveal probably won't happen until later this season. For a moment, I thought (again) that Adrian Chase might be Prometheus when Chase was so insistent on Oliver giving the "kill on sight" order, but it still wouldn't explain why Prometheus didn't think that the Green Arrow had ever experienced loss - assuming that Evelyn only told him that Oliver was the GA after that initial confrontation between Prometheus and Oliver. As others have said, the woman who taught Oliver that air flip move in Russia was probably Talia al Ghul. Team Arrow believes that Prometheus learned that move by studying the Hood/Arrow/GA over the past four years. But how did Prometheus become as good a fighter as Oliver in four years, when Oliver has been training for longer than that? I guess, if Prometheus devoted himself exclusively to training, it's possible (like Thea, Roy and Laurel became good fighters in a short period of time). However, maybe it's possible that Prometheus had been training before S1 even began. Maybe Prometheus trained directly with Talia and was a member of the League of Assassins. Suppose his mother died and his father was unknown. He finally finds out or is told that his bio dad is Justin Claybourne. He comes to Starling City to meet his father, but he's too late - Justin has already been murdered by Oliver. So he begins his vengeance quest against Oliver. Or... maybe Prometheus is just a pawn of Talia al Ghul, the real Big Bad, who's out to avenge the death of her father, Ra's al Ghul.

Arrow recap: 'What We Leave Behind' BY SARA NETZLEY Dec. 7, 2016 http://www.ew.com/recap/arrow-season-5-episode-9

SA's post-509 facebook video chat (warning: spoilery)... https://www.facebook.com/stephenamell/videos/1227836867301578/

https://twitter.com/DCComics/status/806570293229748225 "SPOILER ALERT: This clip contains spoilers from today's Green Arrow #12." (Dec. 7)...

GB tweeted this article... Four-Night DC Crossover Gives The CW Its Most-Watched Week In Six Years by Denise Petski December 6, 2016 4:08pm http://deadline.com/2016/12/dc-crossover-the-cw-ratings-supergirl-arrow-the-flash-legends-of-tomorrow-the-flash-1201865656/

Just a minor correction: the Judd Winick comic was not mentioned by MG, but by that DCTV guy (Hector). :)

The Flash: The Haunting of Barry Allen by Susan & Clay Griffith - released Nov. 29, 2016: https://www.amazon.com/Flash-Haunting-Barry-Susan-Griffith/dp/1785651412/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481042043&sr=8-1&keywords=the+haunting+of+barry+allen Arrow: A Generation of Vipers by Susan & Clay Griffith - to be released Mar. 28, 2017: https://www.amazon.com/Arrow-Generation-Vipers-Susan-Griffith/dp/178329485X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481042670&sr=8-1&keywords=arrow+a+generation+of+vipers

Five Reasons Why The Walking Dead's Ratings Are Crashing To Season 3 Levels Paul Tassi Nov. 27, 2016 http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2016/11/27/five-reasons-why-the-walking-deads-ratings-are-crashing-to-season-3-levels/#79773ef96041 The Walking Dead Hits a Four-Year Ratings Low — 6 Possible Reasons Why By Charlie Mason / December 1 2016, 10:00 AM PST http://tvline.com/2016/12/01/the-walking-dead-season-7-ratings-low-reasons-why/ Why No One Should Worry About The Walking Dead's Ratings Brandon Davis- 12/04/2016 http://comicbook.com/thewalkingdead/2016/12/04/why-no-one-should-worry-about-the-walking-deads-ratings/

"FOURTEEN DAYS OF FANDOM DEALS!" https://twitter.com/heroesfanfest/status/806151225527910400 https://twitter.com/heroesfanfest/status/806141209777504256

Top 10 Flarrowverse Superhero Costumes Jonah Puskar ’20 December 5, 2016 http://emertainmentmonthly.com/index.php/top-10-flarrowverse-superhero-costumes/ 10. JSA 9. Captain Cold & Heatwave 8. White Canary 7. Citizen Steel 6. Wild Dog 5. Hawkgirl & Hawkman 4. Firestorm 3. Green Arrow 2. The Flash 1. Supergirl

PB canceled his guest appearance at Delhi Comic Con, Dec. 9-11, 2016... http://www.hindustantimes.com/tv/not-again-captain-russell-paul-blackthorne-cancels-date-with-delhi-comic-con/story-lAR7296kAoGIUVk1D90gPO.html