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This interview is not spoilery (except maybe the last question, but it's general)... 'Arrow' Star Emily Bett Rickards: Felicity's a Hero and Kicking Ass Wednesday, October 07, 2015 http://www.buddytv.com/articles/arrow/arrow-interview-emily-bett-rickards-57676.aspx

Robert Dougherty needs to let go of S3... How 'Arrow' Season 3 Should Have Ended By Robert Dougherty Oct 07, 2015 11:15 AM http://www.themovienetwork.com/article/how-arrow-season-3-should-have-ended

https://twitter.com/GBerlanti/status/651771519488516097 https://twitter.com/amellywood/status/651801733249634306

After all these sneak peeks, trailers and previews, I feel like I've already watched about 90% of tonight's premiere.

#CountdownToArrow: 13 Times Oliver Queen Made Us Emotional Wrecks October 7, 2015 http://www.itsjustaboutwrite.com/2015/10/countdowntoarrow-13-times-oliver-queen.html I had forgotten they were all named Jen (JustAboutWrite, Jenny Raftery/Vulture, and jbuffyangel)... https://twitter.com/JustAboutWrite_/status/651155033816346628

Do Comic Book TV Shows Sell Comic Books? Retailers Weigh In by Vaneta Rogers 28 September 2015 Time: 02:00 PM ET http://www.newsarama.com/26070-do-comic-book-tv-shows-sell-comic-books-retailers-weigh-in.html

As I said, I was playing devil's advocate - which wasn't easy, given the existing show canon. By putting this scenario in words, I'm hoping it never happens. Sorry for throwing in Supernatural. I can only blame exhaustion - my brain went loopy. No. It's interesting but after reading that BuzzFeed interview with David Rapaport, it sounds like the show was originally set up as an ensemble show starring SA, KC and CD - who were packaged as a trio when presented to the EPs in casting. I'd guess that it was meant to be the hero/villain journeys of GA, BC and maybe Dark Archer. But then SA really stood out, and they restructured the show to focus on Oliver's hero journey, which meant delaying (or changing?) Laurel's story and killing off Tommy.

This is all pure speculation - the only spoilery thing is the name of S4's Big Bad, , but does anyone not know about him at this point? Anyway, stop here if you don't want to read further... It's no secret that I'm an Olicity shipper - but playing devil's advocate, I've come up with a scenario where Oliver and Laurel could get together romantically again, despite their toxic back story. [Their lack of chemistry is a different matter, unless you bring in an AU Laurel Lance through the wormhole created by the Flash.] The toxic back story belonged to the pre-island couple of Oliver and Laurel, where he lied to and cheated on her repeatedly, including with her sister Sara, and she turned a blind eye to his infidelities while visions of marriage and being Mrs. Oliver Queen danced in her head. Those people were young and stupid, but they no longer exist. The first three years after Oliver returned to Starling City were a transition period for them. Oliver lied to Laurel, and he slept with multiple women. Laurel was hostile and angry to Oliver, and she slept with Tommy. Oliver slept with both Laurel and Sara again. However, Oliver was emotionally and mentally messed up during this time. He had become an assassin. He was suffering PTSD and was detached from his emotions. He viewed everyone [with one notable exception] as either a threat (that he might have to eliminate) or a target (that he might have to protect), but even with the targets, he didn't trust them or allow himself to feel any real emotion. Laurel was still dealing with unresolved issues of anger and bitterness toward both Oliver and Sara. They never had any confrontation or closure on their toxic back story until after Sara also returned from the dead. Oliver and Laurel completely separated as a couple or possible couple during this time. Both Oliver and Laurel went through their respective crucibles and came out the other side as completely different people. Now they've both been transformed and essentially 'reborn' as new people. These new people, who have adopted the personas of Green Arrow and Black Canary, don't really know each other. Laurel is no longer the uptight, by-the-book, justice-seeking but sanctimonious, good girl. She's now a more tolerant, still justice-seeking but sometimes law-breaking, kickass fighter. Oliver is no longer a selfish, entitled playboy, nor is he a dark, tortured, messed up assassin. He is now a mature, self-less, thoughtful, one-woman man with a lighter, more humorous soul. They have to get to know each other anew. Now they'll be fighting as part of Team Arrow on an almost daily basis. Just like soldiers in the trenches during wartime, they'll learn to trust, respect and care for each other. Trust requires letting go of the toxic past and starting with clean slates. They'll save each other's lives multiple times, and they'll develop that close bond that only soldiers who fight side by side in life-or-death situations understand. At the same time, in their public lives, Oliver will enter politics and fight for social causes. That work will dovetail with Laurel's day job, since she has quit her ADA position and returned to working at CNRI. They end up working together on a lot of the same social causes and become good friends. Then Felicity either disappears or is 'killed', and is believed by everyone to be dead. Oliver is devastated and mourns her. Diggle is also devastated and turns to his family (Lyla and baby Sara) for comfort. Thea turns to her new boyfriend for comfort. Oliver and Laurel are left to comfort each other. They grow closer in the months that follow and finally sleep together. Team Arrow brings in because they need IT expertise, and he becomes a member of their crime-fighting team. As it turns out, Felicity was kidnapped by [you can invent any number of reasons why, from DD"s toying with TA and just enjoying causing Oliver pain, to something having to do with Felicity's father]. DD puts the whammy on Felicity but it doesn't work [see P.S. below for reason], although she pretends to be whammied. While trapped at the main HIVE facility, she meets a HIVE soldier who's also pretending to be whammied [see P.S. below for reason]. But he can't remember his past and is a dark, tortured soul who's guilt-ridden over what he's had to do for HIVE. During the several months of her captivity, she works with this guy to figure out a way to escape. He protects her from other HIVE members. (During this time, DD is busy in Star City.) The HIVE soldier falls in love with Felicity, and while she still loves Oliver, she can't help but develop some feelings for the HIVE guy. [Think combination of Bane-Talia and Nyssa-Sara.] They finally manage to escape but he is wounded, so she brings him back with her to Star City. Oliver and Felicity are overjoyed to reunite, but they both feel some conflict because while separated, they each developed feelings for other people as well. In addition, he feels guilty that he couldn't protect her and believed her dead, while she feels resentful that he gave up on her. There's also the fact that Oliver slept with Laurel while Felicity was presumed dead. Felicity is already feeling distanced from the rest of Team Arrow (and suffering some PTSD of her own). She is also feeling displaced by the new IT guy on the team. Oliver and Felicity try living together again, but it doesn't work out. In a bittersweet scene, they acknowledge that they are each other's great love, but too much has happened to them while apart for things to return to the way they used to be. Oliver goes to Laurel, while Felicity goes to the ex-HIVE soldier. Felicity and the ex-HIVE soldier decide to leave Star City and join ARGUS. He is accepted on a trial basis while Amanda Waller tests his loyalty. They challenge Waller frequently on missions while they try to turn ARGUS away from some of its past bad practices (like being willing to bomb an entire city of people). At the same time, they fight enemies from his HIVE past. Slowly, she recovers her ebullience, while the ex-HIVE guy learns to be a hero. [Hey, repetition is key in the FLArrow universe!] P.S. In a Supernatural crossover, the HIVE guy is Dean (played by Jensen Ackles) who was captured by DD in an alternate universe and brought here years ago. He couldn't be whammied by DD because Castiel made him immune to magic. Felicity couldn't be whammied by DD becase, as it turns out, her father is a *fallen* angel. Her angel genes make her immune to magic. It's also no coincidence that she's superhero catnip. It's part of her genetic makeup to be a "light-bringer" or "joy-bringer". In fact, her father is the one who named her Felicity ("felicity" means intense happiness and good fortune). P.P.S. Because I just can't leave it there, eventually Oliver and Laurel break up because he just can't forget Felicity, and Felicity and Dean break up because she just can't forget Oliver. Felicity returns to Star City and reunites with Oliver. Laurel moves away to live closer to Sara, and they become a crime-fighting team known as the Canary Sisters. Dean gets Amanda Waller fired and takes over as head of ARGUS.

Arrow Season 4: What The Show Needs To Do To Improve Kayti Burt 10/5/2015 at 3:28PM http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/arrow/249522/arrow-season-4-what-the-show-needs-to-do-to-improve

Agents of SHIELD - Episode 3.04 - Devils You Know - Press Release Posted by Assassin at Monday, October 05, 2015 http://www.spoilertv.com/2015/10/agents-of-shield-episode-304-title.html

There's nothing spoilery about the following media tweets/interview (other than ER's name, I've spoiler-tagged relevant info)... ) 3:30 PM - 5 Oct 2015 https://twitter.com/CTVMorningLive/status/651162494367469568 https://twitter.com/Wingmanmag/status/651184206026948612 Here's the ER interview referenced above (it's from August): http://www.wingmanmagazine.com/elysia-rotaru-interview/

There's a lot of site information in the threads on this page (including rules, questions. how-to-do stuff, etc.): http://forums.previously.tv/forum/47-site-business/ Individual forums sometimes have their own specific rules as well, usually in a Mod thread labeled something like "Notes from the Mods".

https://twitter.com/amellywood/status/651253455223287808 KL has apparently changed her twitter and instagram handles from Misskatrinalaw to just katrinalaw... https://twitter.com/katrinalaw https://instagram.com/katrinalaw

Matt's Inside Line: Scoop on Arrow, Castle, Quantico, S.H.I.E.L.D., Five-0, Once, Sleepy Bones, Reign and More By Matt Webb Mitovich / October 5 2015, 10:06 AM PDT http://tvline.com/2015/10/05/arrow-season-4-spoilers-felicitys-father/

Matt's Inside Line: Scoop on Arrow, Castle, Quantico, S.H.I.E.L.D., Five-0, Once, Sleepy Bones, Reign and More By Matt Webb Mitovich / October 5 2015, 10:06 AM PDT http://tvline.com/2015/10/05/arrow-season-4-spoilers-felicitys-father/

The spoilers say that both Oliver and Laurel are mentoring Thea. I can understand Oliver mentoring Thea, but why is Laurel mentoring Thea? IIRC, Thea has more training than Laurel. However, I do like the idea of Laurel and Thea becoming good friends, independent of their connection to Oliver. I can see that. I just can't see Laurel mentoring Thea on fighting techniques when Thea has received intensive, full-time, uninterrupted training from Malcolm over several months, while Laurel was working a full-time job as ADA and taking boxing lessons from Ted and fighting lessons from Nyssa in her spare time. Because I couldn't help myself, I've come up with a scenario where they could put Oliver and Laurel back together in the future (despite their toxic back story) - which I'll post in the Hopes and Fears thread at some point.

Laura Hurley's retrospective mini-review of 3x06-Guilty... anonymous asks: Thanks for answering that quickly. I agree completely but i would include Roy's dream as what didnt work for me because how did he know exactly what Sara said if he wasnt there. And i am laughing at the what needs to happen next because i hated 3x06 too and now i want to know why you didnt like it. Oct 4, 2015 9:36 am http://laurawritesabout.tumblr.com/post/130472852210/thanks-for-answering-that-quickly-i-agree

This article is pure speculation (except for one spoilery pic of SA & GG in suits that was previously posted in one of the other threads)... The Death Pool: Who Might Die on The Flash or Arrow? Russ Burlingame- 10/03/2015 http://comicbook.com/2015/10/03/the-death-pool-who-might-die-on-the-flash-or-arrow-/

This Variety review sums up how I feel about FTWD after watching the finale... ‘Fear the Walking Dead’ Finale Sails Into Uncertain Future (SPOILERS) OCTOBER 4, 2015 | 10:25PM PT Brian Lowry OCTOBER 4, 2015 | 10:25PM PT http://variety.com/2015/tv/columns/fear-the-walking-dead-season-finale-review-spoilers-amc-1201609990/

Because Laurel wasn't the new, awesome Black Canary before. No matter what Felicity does, she's not going to win with some people. If she left Oliver to return to SC to run Palmer Tech, then there'd be complaints that she doesn't really love Oliver and/or thinks the company is more important than Oliver. If she stays with Oliver, then there'd be complaints that she's negligent and irresponsible. I like that EBR said Felicity's a lot better at being CEO than she thought she would be, because it implies that Felicity is aware of her limitations and starts off with a humble attitude. Much better than coming in with an arrogant, know-it-all attitude. I also like that she'll realistically struggle at first and have a learning curve.

There's a site that has transcripts of all Arrow episodes (although they don't identify who says what). Here's a partial transcript from 2x11-Blind Spot: http://transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?f=172&t=10237&sid=681aef70fe3855f65017668e17bba9d4

I can understand why there might be no Season 3.5 comics. Having a comic series about a superhero during a period of time when the hero never once puts on a mask & costume might have been considered too risky to sell. Like others here, my biggest problem with the Arrow-related comics is that they included answers that should've been shown on the TV show. As it is, TV viewers were left with gaps and questions. For example, why Malcolm decided to kill Sara. Also, how Oliver realized he had romantic feelings for Felicity. So instead we have the WTF murder of Sara and we have some viewers thinking that Oliver asking Felicity out on a date came out of the blue.

After watching that facebook video with EBR... they are so beautiful together (and I'm not talking about looks) that if these producers/writers ruin their relationship later this season, then I am seriously done with this show. What I also like about that bed scene is that they've given EBR a very natural face, like she's not wearing any makeup - which is more realistic than what I've seen on other shows where the female character wakes up in the morning with full makeup on. (I also remember the Castle episode where Kate recovers consciousness in her hospital bed after being shot in the chest, and she's clearly wearing lipstick and mascara).

This is interesting (though somewhat tedious to read)... A Linguist Explains the Grammar of Shipping Gretchen McCullochon September 30, 2015 http://the-toast.net/2015/09/30/a-linguist-explains-the-grammar-of-shipping/

Peter Roth is often mentioned in Arrow show 'lore' about EBR because he noticed Felicity's debut in 1x03 and was likely a key factor in getting her added to more episodes in S1. The producers and network execs saw the third episode months before it even aired to the public. The EPs and SA have mentioned (more than once) that, after watching this episode, Roth called the producers to give notes, saying something like, "I love the blonde computer girl" or "The blonde computer girl... more - more, please - more." I think I could come up with an organically developed storyline that would eventually put Oliver and Laurel together (despite their toxic back story), but I cannot create chemistry where none exists. Nevertheless, lack of chemistry has never stopped other shows from putting couples together. So I remain cautious.