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Interesting -- we can't assume that those people were DD's wife and daughter.. Arrow: How That Damien Darhk Twist Should Affect The Future BY LAURA HURLEY 3 DAYS AGO http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Arrow-How-Damien-Darhk-Twist-Should-Affect-Future-104697.html

Latest podcast by Craig Wack and Tatiana Torres, who discuss midseason finales (Arrow discussion starts at 31:15)... Agents of GEEK Podcast Episode 7 Posted on 12/11/2015 http://agentsofgeekpodcast.com/wordpress/ -- Tatiana says that she was so happy, and then "WTF is happening right now?... Everything is awful." Now she's in denial. -- Craig says that Arrow and Flash feel like themselves again after cutting loose of LoT setup. -- Craig's reaction to Oliver, Laurel and Malcolm being the ones left to plot the rescue was "Yikes!" -- Craig admits that Laurel "does something right for a change" by using the Canary Cry to break the glass of the gas chamber and then chucking her baton to Oliver. -- When Oliver proposed to Felicity, Tatiana "squeed for like five minutes". -- At the end of the episode, Tatiana "was crying in her chair" and "doing lots of rationalizing" about why Felicity can't die. -- Tatiana says that Felicity can't die because "they don't want to destroy everyone who watches the show, right? ... Everyone loves her." -- Tatiana says that Felicity can't die because the whole plot thread about Oliver lying to her about his secret son would be "inconsequential" if she were to die (because who cares then). -- Craig mentions that, "to show the devotion of the Olicity fandom", when the 401 flashforward scene was first shown, those fans went as far as checking Jewish funeral traditions and discovered that in traditional Jewish funerals, they don't put flowers around the grave, but instead put stones. So it couldn't be Felicity in the grave since the flashforward scene showed flowers at the grave. -- Tatiana says that she feels like we've seen "the darkest timeline" of Oliver and that Felicity's death would "hurt the growth he's had as a character". -- Tatiana then says that a follower of theirs on twitter said that Felicity's death would be fine because Oliver is going to marry Laurel anyway. Tatiana's reaction was "no, no, no, no - that is not a thing - and if it does happen, I quit this show." Craig responds, "you and about a million other watchers." Tatiana says that "it would be inorganic" for that to happen. -- Tatiana then wonders if Laurel could be the one in the grave because there's another Canary (albeit on another show) and Laurel's unnecessary. -- Craig doesn't think anyone's in the grave, that it's empty. He thinks Felicity has a survivable wound, possibly paralyzed, but will spend some time recovering. He thinks DD will make more attempts to kill her, so they're going to fake her death and that Felicity will come back as Oracle. -- Tatiana mentions speculation that Diggle's in the grave, but she doesn't believe that. And she's "whatevs" if Thea's in the grave. She just doesn't want it to be Felicity in the grave. -- Craig thinks that Laurel looks "ridiculous" when she uses the Canary Cry. -- They both think that the show should just drop the flashbacks now. -- Also listen to their closing comments (starting at 1:59).

I guess Laura Hurley is doing her multi-part episode breakdown for 409 - here's Part 1... 'Arrow' S04E09: What worked in 'Dark Waters' Laura Hurley December 12, 2015 7:35 PM MST http://www.examiner.com/article/arrow-s04e09-what-worked-dark-waters

I stumbled across this youtube video - it's hilarious (warning: spoilers if you haven't seen the movie)... Scientist Man Explains Terminator: Genisys Published on Jul 9, 2015, by RedLetterMedia

IGN's positive review of 409... ARROW: "DARK WATERS" REVIEW 856 It's not a Merry Christmas for Team Arrow this year. BY JESSE SCHEDEEN 9 DEC 2015 http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/12/10/arrow-dark-waters-review

Thea Queen is #37 on MTV's list of 48 top TV characters of 2015... Best TV Characters Of 2015 by mtv news staff 12/9/2015 http://www.mtv.com/news/2616048/best-tv-characters-2015/

Still better than nothing - and look at the source of those reviews (ScreenRant, PopMatters, TV.com, IGN, TV Fanatic, Forbes, The Young Folks, TV Equals, Paste Mag, AV Club, We Got This Covered)... http://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/arrow/s04/reviews/

This guy gave Arrow a mid-season grade of B- (and gave Flash a mid-season grade of B+)... THE FLASH/ARROW MID-SEASON REVIEW POSTED BY ANTON REYES ON DEC 11, 2015 http://www.audienceseverywhere.net/the-flasharrow-mid-season-review/

Negative review of 409 (graded C+)... Arrow Season 4 Episode #09 – Dark Waters Review Jarius Taylor December 11, 2015 at 11:35 AM http://www.fandompost.com/2015/12/11/arrow-season-4-episode-09-dark-waters-review/

GASP! ARROW’S MID-SEASON FINALE “DARK WATERS” TAKES OUR BREATH AWAY Verena Cote | December 10, 2015 http://www.4ye.co.uk/2015/12/gasp-arrows-mid-season-finale-dark-waters-takes-our-breath-away/

DC Comics is launching a new anthology comic book series titled Legends of Tomorrow and it will star Firestorm, but it will not be connected to the TV show... Legends Of Tomorrow Anthology Series to Feature Firestorm, Metal Men, & More Lucas Siegel- 12/11/2015 http://comicbook.com/2015/12/11/legends-of-tomorrow-anthology-series-to-feature-firestorm-metal-/ Also FYI... 11 Gifts For 'The Flash' & 'Arrow' Fans That Will Make You The Hero This Holiday Season LEAH THOMAS 18 hours ago http://www.bustle.com/articles/128837-11-gifts-for-the-flash-arrow-fans-that-will-make-you-the-hero-this-holiday

fangirlish's very positive review of 409 (also, she now thinks Laurel's the one in the grave, but I disagree)... ‘Arrow’ 4×09 Review: Fighting the Darkness With Light DECEMBER 10, 2015 http://fangirlish.com/arrow-4x09-review-fighting-the-darkness-with-light/

Arrow Season 4: 16 WTF Moments From ‘Dark Waters’ Andrew Pollard 11 DEC 2015 http://whatculture.com/tv/arrow-season-4-16-wtf-moments-from-dark-waters.php

https://twitter.com/RottenTomatoes/status/674802005437759488

Kevin Smith and Marc Bernardin talk with AK (this podcast was retweeted by AK)... FMoBM102: Passion of the Kreisberg (Part 1 of 2-part interview) 6 December 2015 https://soundcloud.com/fatmanonbatman/fatman-102 Lots of praise for The Flash and AK - actually really OTT praise. Lots of background bio info on AK. Only the most dedicated AK fan (or maybe the most dedicated Flarrow fan) could listen to this entire podcast... sorry, but I tuned out after the first half hour.

https://twitter.com/Alex8Calvert/status/674816078078324736 https://twitter.com/Alex8Calvert/status/674805123999121408

1:54 PM - 11 Dec 2015 https://twitter.com/charlotteross/status/675433604692885504

Emertainment Monthly's glowing review of 409.. ‘Arrow’ Review: “Dark Waters” December 11, 2015 Nora Dominick ‘17 http://emertainmentmonthly.com/2015/12/11/arrow-review-dark-waters/

This fan art was retweeted by Arrow writers and brought to AK's attention... 1:37 PM - 11 Dec 2015 https://twitter.com/ARROWwriters/status/675429205786537984

https://twitter.com/MericlesHappen/status/675103906268098560

Lexi Alexander will be directing an episode of Supergirl... https://twitter.com/Lexialex/status/675157360122441728

FYI, some Flash and Supergirl spoilers... Spoiler Room: Scoop on Grey's Anatomy, The Flash, Supergirl, and more BY NATALIE ABRAMS December 11 2015 — 1:34 PM EST http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/11/spoiler-room-greys-anatomy-flash-supergirl-spoilers?hootPostID=3c6fa832e7273b72d7a713ad8fd53334 ‘The Flash’ Taps Comedian Tone Bell as Iris’ New Boss DECEMBER 9, 2015 | 03:21PM PT Laura Prudom http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/the-flash-tone-bell-scott-evans-iris-editor-1201657834/

Melinda Clarke is coming to Gotham... Gotham Is Staging an Epic O.C. Reunion—Gotham City, Here We Come by JEAN BENTLEY Wed, Dec 9, 2015 8:16 PM http://www.eonline.com/news/722794/gotham-is-staging-an-epic-o-c-reunion-gotham-city-here-we-come?sf16783246=1

Spoiler Room: Scoop on Grey's Anatomy, The Flash, Supergirl, and more BY NATALIE ABRAMS December 11 2015 — 1:34 PM EST http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/11/spoiler-room-greys-anatomy-flash-supergirl-spoilers?hootPostID=3c6fa832e7273b72d7a713ad8fd53334

It could be one of those things where the person who's slated to die can be saved if someone else voluntarily sacrifices himself in that person's stead. Going with the theory that the people who died in 408 before being saved by time travel reversal have to die again... Oliver and Thea will be somehow exempt because they've already 'died' and come back. So Felicity will briefly die and come back. Next, Diggle will somehow briefly die and come back. Then Laurel will be slated to die (they'll tease us with anvils leading up to the death), but in a 'surprise twist', Quentin steps in and dies in her place.