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It's probably just wishful thinking on their part. If you read the rest of the article, you can see where their preferences lie. Incidentally, Talk Nerdy With Us has published their interview with ER, but I'm going to post it in the Spoilers thread because it's arguably a little spoilery as to Taiana's character.

Eonline's article about Tumblr's list of the Most Reblogged Ships of 2015 (on which Olicity placed 4th)... NEWS/ Larry Forever: These Were the Most Shipped Couples of 2015 by JENNA MULLINS Tue, Dec 15, 2015 2:00 PM http://www.eonline.com/news/724173/larry-forever-these-were-the-most-shipped-couples-of-2015

Shamy and Olicity are our top ships this week 3:00 pm, December 13, 2015 http://www.hypable.com/ship-shamy-olicity-captainswan/

I've been reading some reviews and comments speculating that being seriously injured and almost dying (assuming she survives) will cause Felicity to rethink whether she wants to continue the hero lifestyle because it's so dangerous, or will somehow emotionally change her feelings toward Oliver. I just don't see that. This is not the first time that Felicity has been injured or thought she was dying. She was shot saving Sara in S2. More significantly, just last season, she thought she was dying from the virus thrown into the Nanda Parbat cell when Oliver was pretending to be evil. If she bounced back from that, then she should bounce back from almost dying now. Any other reaction would be OOC and just a plot contrivance.

TV Fanatic's roundtable discussion of 409 (surprise, surprise - they're down on the Olicity engagement, they think Felicity will walk away from this life because it's too dangerous, etc.)... Arrow Round Table: Amnesia for Felicity? Carissa Pavlica at December 15, 2015 8:00 am http://www.tvfanatic.com/2015/12/arrow-round-table-amnesia-for-felicity/

How about submitting Oliver's marriage proposal to Felicity as one of the Best TV Moments of 2015? Here's SpoilerTV's place to do it (deadline is Dec. 24th, end of day)... Best TV Moments of 2015 - Submit Your Picks! - Deadline: December 24th Posted by Justyna Kubica at Tuesday, December 15, 2015 http://www.spoilertv.com/2015/12/best-tv-moments-of-2015-submit-your.html (* As of time of posting, they didn't seem to have their online form on the page yet. So check back at that site later.)

IGN's Best of 2015 nominations in various TV categories are now open for voting (they will announce their own winners in January, but there's also People's Choice polls at the bottom of each page) - here's my recommendations but it's all personal preferences, of course... Vote for Arrow for Best TV Series of 2015 (People's Choice): http://www.ign.com/wikis/best-of-2015/Best_TV_Series Write in Arrow "Dark Waters" for Best TV Episode of 2015 (People's Choice): http://www.ign.com/wikis/best-of-2015/Best_TV_Episode Write in Arrow for Best Action TV Series of 2015 (People's Choice):* http://www.ign.com/wikis/best-of-2015/Best_Action_Series Write in Arrow for Best Comic Book TV Series of 2015 (People's Choice):* http://www.ign.com/wikis/best-of-2015/Best_Comic_Book_TV_Series (* The poll seems to be missing from this page right now. Check back later.) Write in Arrow for Best Drama TV Series of 2015 (People's Choice):* http://www.ign.com/wikis/best-of-2015/Best_Drama_Series Write in Emily Bett Rickards, Arrow for Best TV Actress of 2015 (People's Choice): http://www.ign.com/wikis/best-of-2015/Best_TV_Actress Write in Oliver Queen/Green Arrow (Stephen Amell), Arrow for Best TV Hero of 2015 (People's Choice): http://www.ign.com/wikis/best-of-2015/Best_TV_Hero

Oliver & Felicity are #10 on MTV's list of the 19 Best TV Couples of 2015... The 19 Best TV Couples Of 2015 by mtv news staff 2h ago http://www.mtv.com/news/2686514/best-tv-couples-2015/?utm=share_twitter The above was MTV's list - here is your chance to vote for your list (poll is open till Dec. 29, 2015)... Vote For The Best TV Couple Of 2015 by mtv news staff 2h ago http://www.mtv.com/news/2686705/vote-best-tv-couple-2015/

KL at Jekyll Comic Con (Jekyll Island, GA) this past weekend... https://twitter.com/katrinalaw/status/675831382384492544

That new Star Trek movie looks like fun. You know what I like about the Star Trek movies? The core cast of characters (Kirk & gang) go through hell and back in their space adventures, but you never have to worry about any of them being killed off permanently (fingers crossed this will not change in the future).

Wow - Arrow is #3 (and Flash is #10) on that IMDb user popularity list.

BS is a writer/producer on Arrow... https://twitter.com/SchwartzApprovd/status/674819372976750592

The above was retweeted by WM on Dec. 10th so the EPs notice things like this... https://twitter.com/MericlesHappen

I rewatched this episode (only the second time, so I'm behind some of you ;) ) and I noticed two things that I didn't notice before (maybe they've already been mentioned in this thread, but I just don't recall)... When DD crashes the holiday party, he looks at Thea, hesitates and goes 'hmm' - at least that's what I thought the first time I watched. The second time, I thought the argument could be made that he recognized Alex and was surprised to see him there. Also, I noticed that DD's "family" (wife and daughter?) look similar enough to Alex both in coloring and features to be related. In the tree lighting/proposal scene, Oliver is wearing a tie in the same olive green color as his GA suit. Add to that the color of his jogging outfit in 401, and it's almost like he wants people to connect the dots.

Here's the 409 review by those two USA Today romance authors... Allison Brennan and Lavinia Kent on ‘Arrow’ Dark Waters: Wow By Allison Brennan and Lavinia Kent December 11, 2015 6:00 pm http://happyeverafter.usatoday.com/2015/12/11/allison-brennan-lavinia-kent-arrow-dark-waters/ And here are their reviews for other Arrow S4 episodes: http://happyeverafter.usatoday.com/author/allison-brennan-and-lavinia-kent/

I think they'll be dropping anvils for various characters over the course of the season. They've dropped anvils for Quentin and Laurel and maybe even Thea. Next they'll drop some anvils for Diggle. And they've been dropping anvils for Felicity throughout. They want to keep us guessing (hoping?) up until the actual death.

This reminds me... in the Jan. 2013 Ryan & Ryan podcast interview with MG and GB (recently posted in the Starling City Times thread), MG said that SA began bulking up even more (above his abs) during S1. You can see a noticeable difference from the pilot to later in the season, and esp. up to now.

Laura Hurley's "What Worked" article (Part 1) was posted above in this thread. Here's her "What Didn't Work" (Part 2) and "What Needs to Happen Next" (Part 3) articles on 409 - I wanted to quote both articles in their entirety (definitely worth reading)... 'Arrow' S04E09: What didn't work in 'Dark Waters' December 13, 2015 8:05 AM MST http://www.examiner.com/article/arrow-s04e09-what-didn-t-work-dark-waters 'Arrow' S04E09: What needs to happen next after 'Dark Waters' December 13, 2015 5:17 PM MST http://www.examiner.com/article/arrow-s04e09-what-needs-to-happen-next-after-dark-waters

SEASON 4B SPOILER COMPILATION (EPISODES 410 - 414) S4, Episode 10: Blood Debts -- Production code: 410. Director: Jesse Warn. Airdate: Jan. 20, 2016. (MG tweet, page 25 of Spoilers thread) -- Donna Smoak will appear in this episode. (CR tweet, page 24 of Spoilers thread, and TVLine article, page 21 of Spoilers thread) -- Pic of Starling General Hospital posted. Filming at Burnaby South Senior Secondary on Nov. 2, 2015. (YVRShoots tweet, page 25 of Spoilers thread) -- Pic of CR and SA on a hospital set. (CR tweet, page 258 of Social Media thread) -- CR: "I, honestly, adore Stephen and his affection toward his beautiful daughter is touching. He is an awesome Daddy in real life! I think he likes our scenes together as we laugh a lot and, as you know, he has to be very serious most of the time so, it’s always nice to have a bit of levity in a scene for a change, I think. That doesn’t apply to the scene we will be filming this week- it’s a tearjerker!" (Emertainment Monthly article, page 26 of Spoilers thread) -- It sounds like there will be a big confrontation between DD (NM) and Malcolm (JB) in 410. (GreenArrowTV tweet, page 24 of Spoilers thread) -- On the flashforward gravesite storyline, WM: "We will see a little bit, a hint of it in 409 and possibly 410. And then, towards the end of the season, it will all be revealed." (TheWrap article, page 25 of Spoilers thread) S4, Episode 11: A.W.O.L. -- Production code: 411. Director: Charlotte Brandstrom. Airdate: Jan. 27, 2016. (MG tweet, page 25 of Spoilers thread) -- Felicity's code name appears for the first time in 411 and contains the letter "A". (MG tumblr post, page 26 of Spoilers thread) -- Brian Ford Sullivan (Writer): "Some next level tech happening right now on #Arrow 411 set. All in the name a personal story we couldn't tell without it." (BFS tweet, page 736 of Spoiler Discussion thread) -- Jean-Luc Dinsdale (VFX Supervisor): "@briforsul I’m working through a huge technical scene with an amazing actor, a great script, and a wonderful director. Couldn’t be happier!" (JLD tweet, pages 736 and 780 of Spoiler Discussion thread) -- Jean-Luc Dinsdale (VFX Supervisor): "Props to @EmilyBett - an incredibly talented actor and true professional. It’s a great pleasure to work with such amazing people! #Arrow" (JLD tweet, pages 736 and 780 of Spoiler Discussion thread) S4, Episode 12: Unchained -- Production code: 412. Director: Kevin Fair. Airdate: Feb. 3, 2016. (MG tweet, page 26 of Spoilers thread) -- Felicity will be in 412. (Speed Weed tweet, pages 678 and 724 of Spoiler Discussion thread) -- Roy Harper (CH) will appear in 412. (CH tweet and EW article, page 26 of Spoilers thread) -- Roy will only be in one episode (412). He'll have scenes with the whole cast and with Thea. (MG tumblr posts, page 26 of Spoilers thread) -- The Calculator (TA) uses his advanced skills in computer science and internet manipulation to blackmail Roy (CH) out of retirement to do his bidding, which leads to an epic battle with Team Arrow. He is set to appear in two episodes, beginning with 412. (TVLine article, page 26 of Spoilers thread) S4, Episode 13: Sins of the Father -- Production code: 413. Director: Gordon Verheul. Airdate: Feb. 10, 2016. (MG tweet, page 28 of Spoilers thread) -- Mama Smoak appears in 413. (SciFiBloggers article, page 27 of Spoilers thread) -- The Calculator (TA) may also be appearing in this episode. (TVLine article, page 26 of Spoilers thread) S4, Episode 14: TBA -- Production code: TBA. Director: James Bamford. Airdate: TBA. -- JBam is directing 414. (Arrow TV tweet, page 26 of Spoilers thread) -- Per JBam, this episode has "2 very amazing actors from 2 different very amazing fandoms joining us=EPIC". JBam: "HINT: SCI-FI and COMIC franchises outside the CW/DC Universe are their origin.....too wide open for ya! That's really too bad. Guess again." (JBam tweets, page 28 of Spoilers thread) -- Per JBam, there's a scene in O&F's loft. CR may also be in this episode. (JBam instagram, page 780 of Spoiler Discussion thread)

Maybe it's just transference. In the past, Laurel's go-to place has been to blame Oliver.

Wasn't Oliver right in front of the glass? If the Canary Cry could crack glass, then wouldn't it shatter his eardrums as well? Since the rescue was planned, then I guess he could be wearing earplugs, but then how did he hear DD and anyone else talk to him? Does he read lips?

What I noticed was that Laurel's 'pep talk' to Oliver didn't influence Oliver's thinking or his actions at all... Oliver: "Did you learn anything from the hotline?" Laurel" "Only how many crazy/bored people there are in the city. Don't go there." Oliver: "Where?" Laurel: "Your go-to place. Where you sit there and you say that it's all your fault." Oliver: "Well, it is my fault. I'm the one who outed Darhk." Laurel: "I know. I seem to remember us all being there when you did." Oliver: "I ran for mayor because I can protect myself and I thought that all of you could, too." Laurel: "And you were right, we can." Oliver: "I know, but you didn't sign up for this." Laurel: "Oliver, we can take care of ourselves. And that's including Felicity. You inspired a lot of people." Oliver: "Well, Thea and John and Felicity - inspiration is not what they need tonight. But somewhere, someplace there is a Ghost that's gonna talk to me." Laurel: "What if there isn't?" Oliver: "I'm going to take great pleasure in trying to make them." In that sense, this dialogue could never have been given to Diggle or Felicity because when they speak, Oliver is influenced in some way. For example, in 409, Oliver & Felicity have this conversation... Oliver: "I have that handled, Felicity. It had to be this way." Felicity: "Why? 'Cause you think that we're in this situation because of your decisions? Look, I really hate to be the one to break this to you, Oliver, but you are not the boss of me. And I am the one who decides whether I need anyone's protection. But at the Christmas party from hell, you said you were gonna propose and you didn't because you weren't sure our relationship could survive this kind of life." Oliver: "It was a holiday party. And I had more to say, but we were attacked." Felicity: "And here we are, fighting. Fighting our way through the danger instead of running away from it. Isn't that the whole point of marriage, to get through the hard times because we are together, not in spite of it?" Oliver: "Yeah." Felicity: "Just so you know, if you would have asked me, I would have said yes." And then later, Oliver proposes. Also remember that last season, Felicity is the one who gave him the "Don't fight to die, fight to live" speech that apparently was pivotal in giving Oliver the victory over Ra's (no matter how unrealistic). Not to mention her multiple "I believe in you" and "find another way" speeches from past seasons that influenced Oliver's thinking and actions. There are also examples of Oliver/Diggle conversations from past and current seasons (like the 406 scene when they share a bottle of Tennessee whiskey and Diggle reminds an oddly insecure Oliver that Felicity chose him and not supersmart Ray).

Another article from BuddyTV after 409... Felicity's Fate: Why 'Arrow' Isn't Fooling Anyone December 10, 2015 Derek Stauffer http://www.buddytv.com/articles/arrow/felicitys-fate-why-arrow-isnt-58305.aspx

This guy thinks DD works, but Olicity doesn't work, and wants to see more of Laurel at her day job - I couldn't disagree more... Midseason Report Card: Damien Darhk lifts ‘Arrow’ season 4, but by how much? December 12, 2015 http://cartermatt.com/188988/midseason-report-card-damien-darhk-lifts-arrow-season-4-but-by-how-much/

Warning - this article refers to some spoilery comments made by MG (previously posted in the Spoilers thread)... Arrow: Will Felicity Smoak Become ? Russ Burlingame - 12/12/2015 http://comicbook.com/2015/12/12/arrow-will-felicity-smoak-become-oracle-/