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With the way this season's been going, Poppy will probably be in 420, 421, 422 and 423!

Maybe Poppy dies in the same episode as Laurel (assuming Laurel is the big death)? We know ER was on the set on Feb. 23, which was the last shooting day for 418.

This part of that open letter told me all I needed to know about the writer's preferences (none of which included Felicity):

Here's the song lyrics to Springsteen's "Lost In the Flood"... The ragamuffin gunner is returnin' home like a hungry runaway He walks through town all alone--"He must be from the fort," he hears the high school girls say His countryside's burnin' with wolfman fairies dressed in drag for homicide The hit-and-run plead sanctuary, 'neath a holy stone they hide They're breakin' beams and crosses with a spastic's reelin' perfection Nuns run bald through Vatican halls, pregnant, pleadin' immaculate conception And everybody's wrecked on Main Street from drinking unholy blood Sticker smiles sweet as Gunner breathes deep, his ankles caked in mud And I said, "Hey, gunner man, that's qucksand, that's quicksand, that ain't mud Have you thrown your senses to the war, or did you lose them in the flood?" That pure American brother, dull-eyed and empty-faced Races Sundays in Jersey in a Chevy stock super eight He rides 'er low on the hip, on the side he's got "Bound for Glory" in red, white and blue flash paint He leans on the hood telling racing stories, the kids call him Jimmy the Saint Well, that blaze-and-noise boy, he's gunnin' that bitch loaded to blastin' point He rides head first into a hurricane and disappears into a point And there's nothin' left but some blood where the body fell, that is, nothin' left that you could sell Just junk all across the horizon, a real highwayman's farewell And I said, "Hey kid, you think that's oil? Man, that ain't oil, that's blood" I wonder what he was thinking when he hit that storm, or was he just lost in the flood? Eighth Avenue sailors in satin shirts whisper in the air Some storefront incarnation of Maria, she's puttin' on me the stare And Bronx's best apostle stands with his hand on his own hardware Everything stops, you hear five quick shots, the cops come up for air And now the whiz-bang gang from uptown, they're shootin' up the street And that cat from the Bronx starts lettin' loose, but he gets blown right off his feet And some kid comes blastin' 'round the corner, but a cop puts him right away He lays on the street holding his leg, screaming something in Spanish, still breathing when I walked away And somebody said, "Hey man, did you see that? His body hit the street with such a beautiful thud" I wonder what the dude was sayin', or was he just lost in the flood? Hey man, did you see that, those poor cats are sure messed up I wonder what they were gettin' into, or were they just lost in the flood? http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/brucespringsteen/lostintheflood.html I am puzzled as to what these lyrics mean - and it seems I'm not the only one. Here's what Rolling Stone Magazine wrote in 2014: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-bruce-springsteen-songs-of-all-time-20140116/lost-in-the-flood-19691231

Correction: it was said by SA during a 2014 Nerd HQ panel (see last 3 minutes of video)... -- In response to fan asking about his reaction to Oliver's "questionable choices", SA responded that he went to the producers and asked if Oliver could not bed every single female he's not related to on the show. SA then said: "I'm all for making questionable choices because, in truth, I don't care if people love Oliver Queen or hate him. I just don't want them to be indifferent. And as long as they're not indifferent, I'm fine with whatever's happening... The opposite of love is not hate, Zach. It’s apathy." A Conversation with Stephen Amell live from #NerdHQ 2014 Streamed live on Jul 27, 2014, by The Nerd Machine BTW, it's not the first time that SA has used that quote. Back in 2012, he used it in two different interviews (Collider, TV Guide)... http://collider.com/comic-con-stephen-amell-and-katie-cassidy-talk-arrow-playing-a-superhero-and-the-possibility-of-black-canary/ http://www.tvguide.com/news/arrow-stephen-amell-1054453/

In response to a Merlance question posted somewhere above, here's the 2012 interview where KC talked about Tommy taking advantage... Comic-Con: Stephen Amell and Katie Cassidy Talk ARROW, Playing a Superhero, and the Possibility of Black Canary BY CARISSA PAVLICA JULY 15, 2012 http://collider.com/comic-con-stephen-amell-and-katie-cassidy-talk-arrow-playing-a-superhero-and-the-possibility-of-black-canary/

Also during the LoT panel at WonderCon, MG said that you'll likely see the Justice League in the movies before you see them on TV.

This critic thinks that Green Arrow should be part of the big screen DC universe... The Movies/TV 8-Ball: Top 8 Wanted DC Extended Universe Films March 29, 2016 | Posted by Jeremy Thomas http://411mania.com/movies/the-moviestv-8-ball-top-8-wanted-dc-extended-universe-films/

Arrow mention in this article about The Flash... Kevin Smith Confirms Jay Mewes Will Appear On The Flash Jamie Lovett- 03/29/20161 comments http://comicbook.com/2016/03/29/kevin-smith-confirms-jay-mewes-will-appear-on-the-flash/

SUMMARY OF 417 SPOILERS: S4, Episode 17: Beacon of Hope -- Production code: 417. Shoot Dates: Feb. 1- 11, 2016. Director: Michael Schultz. Writers: Ben Sokolowski & Brian Ford Sullivan. Airdate: Mar. 30, 2016. (MG tweet, page 30 of Spoilers thread) -- 417 synopsis: "BRIE LARVAN AKA THE BUG-EYED BANDIT SETS HER SIGHTS ON FELICITY – Brie Larvan (guest star Emily Kinney) breaks out of jail and turns up at Palmer Tech threatening to kill everyone unless she gets the bio-chip that is implanted in Felicity’s (Emily Bett Rickards) spine. When Oliver (Stephen Amell) realizes that Felicity, Thea (Willa Holland) and Donna (guest star Charlotte Ross) are trapped in Palmer Tech with everyone else, he looks to a surprising ally to help Team Arrow save the day. Michael Schultz directed the episode written by Ben Sokolowski & Brian Ford Sullivan (#417). Original airdate 3/30/16." (Amellynation article, page 33 of Spoilers thread) -- MG's Billy Joel song pick for 417 is "She's Always a Woman." (MG tumblr post, page 31 of Spoilers thread) -- See 417 producer's preview posted. (CW Arrow tweet, page 34 of Spoilers thread) -- See 417 promo and extended promo posted. (417 promo video and 417 extended promo video, page 33 of Spoilers thread) -- See 417 JackTV promo posted. (417 JackTV promo video, page 964 of Spoiler Discussion thread) -- See ComicBook's 417 sneak peek posted. (ComicBook article, page 34 of Spoilers thread) -- See MTV's 417 sneak peek posted. (MTV article, page 34 of Spoilers thread and page 971 of Spoiler Discussion thread) -- See 417 promo pics posted. (TVLine photo link, page 33 of Spoilers thread) -- See 417 comic preview posted. (MG tweet, page 33 of Spoilers thread) -- 417 dialogue tease: "I don't know what's worse, the fact you just spelled out 'breakup' or that you misspelled it." (ArrowWritersRoom tweet, page 34 of Spoilers thread) -- 417 dialogue tease: ""Any puppies you want to kick while you’re at it? Bags of kittens that you want to throw in the river?" (ArrowWritersRoom tweet, page 34 of Spoilers thread) -- MG (on Mar. 17): "We’re actually editing 4×17 right now, which is bar none the funniest episode we’ve ever done in the show." (ComicsBeat article, page 33 of Spoilers thread) -- Per MG, 417 is "probably the lightest, funniest episode of 'Arrow' we've ever done." (Zap2It article, page 34 of Spoilers thread) -- MG: "In episode 17 we get to see the team trying to function, having to function, without Felicity. While at the same time, we get to see Felicity dealing with her own issues with the Bug Eyed Bandit (Emily Kinney) without necessarily the benefit of the team. ... I don't want to spoil it, but it's not something we just immediately deal with in 17 and move on from... You'll see the consequences of it." (Zap2It article, page 34 of Spoilers thread) -- In response to fan asking what's the #1 thing he was most nervous about from script that he wanted to see viewer reaction to, Ben Sokolowski replied: "It's coming up in 417." (BS tweet, page 338 of Social Media thread) -- In response to fan asking which storyline had been a challenge for him and Ben Sokolowski to co-write, Brian Ford Sullivan replied: "417 was a real challenge. In a good way. You'll understand why when you see it." (BFS tweet, page 338 of Social Media thread) -- Emily Kinney, who plays the Bug-Eyed Bandit, will be in 417 because she was shooting an Arrow episode on or about Feb. 5, 2016. (Tweets in Morrigan2575 post, page 31 of Spoilers thread, and same tweets in Velocity23 post, page 859 of Spoiler Discussion thread) -- Pic of Emily Kinney in the Arrow production offices posted. (Arrow Production Office tweet, page 33 of Spoilers thread) -- On Feb. 3, SA tweeted: "It's not a season of Arrow until I'm shirtless on an exam table fighting for my life." (SA tweet, page 866 of Spoiler Discussion thread) -- 416+ extended promo included shot of Oliver lying shirtless on table in Arrowcave. (416+ extended promo video, page 32 of Spoilers thread) -- Donna Smoak will appear in 417. (CR tweet, page 30 of Spoilers thread) -- On or about Feb. 9, CR posted a pic of her resting on the floor in the Starling City Hospital set, with the note: "Should have worn flats." (CR instagram pic posted in fan tweet, page 866 of Spoiler Discussion thread) -- Curtis will be in 417 because EK was shooting on Feb. 4. (EK tweet, page 30 of Spoilers thread) -- 417 promo pics show that Curtis is in the Arrowcave and knows everyone's secret identities. (TVLine photo link, page 22 of Spoilers thread) -- Taiana will be in this episode because ER was filming the week of Feb. 1. (ER tweet, page 850 of Spoiler Discussion thread)

Gotham - Episode 2.17 - Into the Woods - Promo & Press Release Posted by Nirat Anop at Tuesday, March 29, 2016 http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/03/gotham-episode-217-into-woods-press.html

Agents of SHIELD - Episode 3.16 - Paradise Lost - Press Release Posted by SpoilerTV at Monday, March 28, 2016 http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/03/agents-of-shield-episode-316-paradise.html

Another MG interview and the full LoT panel at WonderCon on Mar. 27 (warning: spoilers) - some of MG's comments in both videos could be relevant to Arrow as well (also, near the end of the second video, they joked about grumbly Old Oliver with his 6-pack abs) ... Marc Guggenheim Legends Of Tomorrow WonderCon 2016 Interview Published on Mar 29, 2016, by Seat42F WonderCon 2016 - Legends of Tomorrow Panel Published on Mar 28, 2016, by Brian Strader

Here are two opposing reviews of BvS - the first is very positive and the second is very negative [MAJOR SPOILERS!]... The Critics Must Be Crazy: 'Batman V Superman' Is Fantastic Erik Kain MAR 29, 2016 @ 07:00 AM http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2016/03/29/the-critics-must-be-crazy-batman-v-superman-is-fantastic/#79a14831cc5d What a Knightmare. My review of "Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice" Kevin Powers March 26, 2016 http://comicodyssey.blogspot.com/2016/03/what-knightmare-my-review-of-batman-v.html Also, here's Alan Sepinwall's positive review of the Supergirl/Flash crossover... Review: 'Supergirl'/'Flash' teamup offers welcome, fun alternative to 'Batman v Superman' By Alan Sepinwall | Tuesday, Mar 29, 2016 1:23 AM http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-supergirlflash-teamup-offers-welcome-fun-alternative-to-batman-v-superman

I just watched video of the actual LoT panel at WonderCon and here is what MG actually said. After MG talked about how they got their first choice of everyone who's on LoT because they all said 'yes', the mod then asked if they knew they had to get CL and BR back... MG: "Yes. Well, we knew we had built a whole season of the Atom - Brandon becoming the Atom. And we also knew we had the Lazarus Pit in the back of our pocket for Caity. So it made total sense. ... Even if Legends hadn't gone forward, you know, hopefully Brandon would've said 'yes' to returning to Arrow in Season 4, as he did. And we knew we were going to tell the story of Sara Lance coming back to life. It just so happened that we were able to make that work with Legends. And Caity and Brandon were terrific, um, in agreeing to participate and join, you know, the first half of Arrow Season 4...."

IIRC, there was some quote by someone (maybe one of the EPs?) some time ago about how they thought hate was better than apathy - in other words, as long as the show is creating social media buzz, it's all good (in their eyes). Passion was preferable to apathy.

Vote for Oliver & Felicity as TV's Hottest Couple (10 couples are in contention) - voting ends April 11, 2016 (the winning couple will be announced in TV Guide Magazine and on TV Insider)... Poll: TV's Hottest Couple TV Insider Staff March 28, 2016 9:45 am http://www.tvinsider.com/article/80656/poll-tvs-hottest-couple/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=tvi

TV Fanatic round table discussion of 416... Arrow Round Table: Court is in Session! Carissa Pavlica at March 28, 2016 1:00 pm http://www.tvfanatic.com/2016/03/arrow-round-table-court-is-in-session/

This entire interview is interesting, but I've only quoted parts that mention SA/Oliver/GA... Greg Berlanti & Andrew Kreisberg on the ‘Supergirl’/’The Flash’ Cross-over Episode BY CHRISTINA RADISH 1 DAY AGO http://collider.com/supergirl-the-flash-crossover-episode/

DC Universe: Rebirth (2016) Special One-Shot [HD] Comes Out on May 25 Published on Mar 26, 2016, The TSG WB Nexus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_FLcFFaSak DCAA Live: DC Universe REBIRTH Streamed live on Mar 26, 2016, by DC Entertainment

I'm really looking forward to seeing the Supergirl/Flash crossover tonight - plus, a GA mention (and lol, some CW snark)...

At Salt Lake Comic Con FanXperience this past weekend - the past and present collide... https://twitter.com/PaulBlackthorne/status/713818040840953856 https://twitter.com/CharRossLand/status/714482609896742912 https://twitter.com/charlotteross/status/714518398416228352

MG at WonderCon this past weekend (minor spoilers)... Marc Guggenheim interview | LEGENDS OF TOMORROW at WonderCon 2016 Published on Mar 28, 2016, by TheFandom dotnet Marc Guggenheim talks Legends of Tomorrow at Wondercon 2016! Published on Mar 28, 2016, by Richard Oh

SA at WonderCon this past weekend (in the first video, he talks about how his reaction when people lie to him is to "flip his lid" and "go a little crazy" - lol)... Stephen Amell on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2 ¦ Wondercon 2016 Published on Mar 28, 2016, by Trailers Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows: Stephen Amell WonderCon Exclusive Interview Published on Mar 28, 2016, by ScreenSlam Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows: WonderCon Cast Arrival Published on Mar 26, 2016, by ScreenSlam

9 of the Most Confusing TV Hook-Ups of All Time Derek Stauffer Friday, March 25, 2016 http://www.buddytv.com/articles/once-upon-a-time/9-of-the-most-confusing-tv-hoo-59272.aspx