Blergh

My 'View' UO- How I wish just ONE of the past or current 'View' cohosts had had the guts to say upon Barbara Walters' re-re-retirement 'I hope she finds her peace but I'm not going to fake that she was ever my friend nor that she bettered journalism or womanhood so I'm skipping that mawkish tribute to her!'

What was somewhat odd about John and Olivia's bond was that she fully embraced HIS extended family but, apart from one banker uncle and when Cousin Rose and grandkids showed up, he and all their kids didn't show the slightest interest in any of HER family [and Olivia didn't seem to question it]. Even when they put together their Silver Anniversary party and Olivia proposed two brothers attending John flatly said no because they were NOT family. Also, oddly enough they all informally 'adopted' Olivia's late best friend's daughter named for her and she considered them her family but she evidently had other folks raise her after her mother's early death but she didn't consider her caregiver/s to be family.

OK, here's something no one expected to find when searching the family tree- one ancestress got legally divorced from her husband instead of just quietly 'separating' with him going off with a girlfriend then winding up in a rest home and her 'visiting' their grown kids and grandkids for years at a time on a rotating basis until her own passing. The thing is that even the grandkids all seemed to think that she and their grandfather had just informally separated rather than her having gotten a divorce. My guess is that she didn't want to be legally tied to his messes any more and this was the only way to do it but she somehow got those few in the know to keep it quiet so there would be no 'disgrace'.

riverblue, I don't want to get too technical but I'll just say that these precautions you've taken may cut down on the possibility of 'Net frauds using stuff on the living but it won't eliminate it altogether - and there have been frauds who've misused vital info on dead folks for current schemes Anyway, to keep this ontopic, I say surf genealogy sites as long as you don't have to identify yourself or provide more details though doing it offline helps ensure the info is more authentic..

Perhaps Great-Grandma may have remarried and used her [3rd?] husband's surname in the records from the divorce onwards or just lived with someone, claimed they were married and used the name anyway for stuff. If Mr. Ferguson's interested, perhaps he could see if any of Grandma Jessie's sisters or half-sisters on that side may have left offspring and if so maybe one of them could clue him on on Great-Grandma's fate.

Hate to be a wet blanket but one should be careful putting too much data on any online genealogy site due to the propensity of identity thieves and frauds being able to use them for ill purposes. If you want to research, do it offline via city directories, county records and churches. Yeah, a lot more time consuming but far less risky.

Agree that John-Boy never really had good taste or sense re those he fell but I never got why he was so bonkers over Marsha Woolery hovering over her like a puppy for table scraps even after she managed to help cause his ankle to get broken. She had less depth than a mosquito's reflection on an oil slick.

I agree- and I was hoping we'd get a scene in which he'd driven her all the way to the framed boy's farm, made her tell the boy's unjust dad what she pulled and had JohnBoy, the boy and his dad ALL scream in her face about what a stupid, snotty person she was who only cared about not being ignored for a few minutes rather than what happened to anyone else.

Saw the one in which the mother got annoyed with her kid thumbing his Smartphone so she pulled off his thumbs then told her toddler not to suck her brother's dismembered thumb. Nasty!

Interesting episode indeed. Considering the facts that she saved the photo, made no efforts to change her own name and raised no objections to naming her grandson after Great-Grandpa Jesse, I think either Grandma Jessie was completely naive to how her father had been beforehand or believed that him raising her somehow made up for whatever he did to other folks. I wonder if Mr. Ferguson will seek out half-cousins by Great-Grandpa's first two marriages [and try to find out what became of Great-Grandma and why her much older ex raised her kids after the divorce- even those by her own first union]? Also, I don't think Great-Grandpa was terribly contrite re the Alaska Disaster besides whatever discomfort he himself may have had to endure in getting out of there as long as he got paid -regardless of the 59 other men including one known to have died. Interesting how Mr. Ferguson at first reacted in horror at the aunt's murder with Great-Grandpa as a suspect but then started coming up with excuses -like many folks who are shocked at a fave politician/celeb/acquaintance's actions but then, not wanting to have to admit they were wrong in judgment, start getting defensive. A small sidenote- one of my own great-grandfathers wanted to relocate to the Klondike to sell the miners supplies [having had some previous experience himself] but my great-grandmother said NO and, luckily for that branch of the family, that was that.

happykitteh, That was part of the point I was making re the Ignored Tylers- not only did the Bradys themselves never seem to interact with them again after the wedding, but neither did their OWN relatives including Grandma Connie Hutchins [Carol's grandmother and Mrs. Tyler's mother], Aunt Jenny [sister to one of them but unclear WHICH side of that branch of the family] and even Cousin Oliver [their other grandchild]. All these folks visited the Bradys but didn't even so much as make a reference to the folks linking them to said Bradys. Of course, it should be noted that when Cousin Oliver was dumped on the Bradys, his parents just dropped him off and didn't even leave the car to say goodbye to him or greet any of the Bradys [including Carol, Oliver's dad's sister].

I agree! And the WORST part of that whole episode was that she [as well as Ma and Pa] reacted to her 'losing' the glasses as though she was a 1970's mallrat who lost a mood ring NOT a child from an 1870's struggling farm family who'd likely had spent and gotten credit for a year's worth of income just to get her those glasses. At the very least, I'd have expected one of them to have said 'Well, we're all going to cover every square inch between the schoolhouse and this front door until those glasses are FOUND and after that you'd better kwitcher bellyaching over snotty kids' teases or else we'll give you something to REALLY blubber about!'

The Fun Girls From Mt. Pilot! It always seemed to me that if Andy and Barney had just tuned out their foghorn/screechy voices, they could have had a LOT more fun with them than their 'steadies' Thelma Lou and [cough]Helen.

It wasn't just Sam's family Darren #2 hated. He seemed to hate everyone to the point that when Sam wound up saving his own parents' marriage, he seemed mad at HER! Still, even before the Switcheroo Darren seemed to have lost virtually all the bemused infatuation he had for Sam in the early years [and a low point was when Sam dunked a drunken 'masher' when she thought Darrin wasn't around and, rather than be happy she could take care of herself in his absence and or even slightly upset at the 'masher' for putting the moves on his own disinterested wife, , Darrin#1 behaved like a #2 re the 'No more witchcraft' scolding]!

pandora, I don't disagree that Endora definitely wanted Sam to be a 'creature of the wind' but, alas, Sam had TWO masters- Endora and Darrin! Sam seemed to spend the entire show believing that she had to please both of them and, in doing so, she could somehow guilt each of them into making peace with the other. Alas, while that's a funny concept in sitcoms, this sort of thinking often proves the ruin of many a family. I always wish there had been a episode in which Sam told BOTH of them off. All that said as malevolent as Endora could be, she was easily the most interesting and fun character, IMO- and it's to the show's credit that they respected Sam's bond with Endora enough to scuttle the idea of having the Darrin Switch be from Endora's spell with only the viewers but not Sam knowing.

What works? The End Credits! No matter what happens during the hour before, they never fail to let everyone know that for at least the next 23 hours, there's no show to watch so it's no wonder there's such great cheering! What do I appreciate? The fact that I don't know anyone involved in this!

If this is true, does this mean that Zeek's mother Blanche [who was seen celebrating her 86th Birthday two seasons ago] would have to deal with outliving her child and how would the family help her out? It's one thing to outlive a parent, a sibling or even a spouse but outliving one's child?

oceanblue, Considering that automatic windows [which is how Tiger made his escape] were VERY much a novelty for cars back then, it would be most likely that the car ALSO had A/C- and they WERE Bradys so I can't imagine they'd have left a dog inside a hot, unventilated car. Still, if the automatic window worked, that likely means that Mike kept the car ON with the keys in the ignition! Lucky that no car thieves tried to drive off with their car during the ceremony! LOL OK, if you can believe the possibility that Tiger was inside a nice air-conditioned car, would you STILL think it was a bad move on Mike's part to try to keep Tiger there? Oh, as for Tiger's actual demise? Barry Williams has said that while shooting the First Season Episode 'Katchoo' [where Jan has the fakest sneezes outside grade school plays which gets everyone thinking she's ALLERGIC to Tiger], the original Tiger got run over by a florist truck- and the dog trainers subbed a vague lookalike who was so inadequate for the part that they had to nail the collar to the floor and strap Fake Tiger in it just to get him to sit still while the Bradys said their 'goodbyes'! GH Scorpions Rule, Yeah, we know Mike was definitely a widower but nothing ever was mentioned whether the Martin union ended in divorce or Mr. Martin's death. We can speculate all we want on how they met but I think since Carol occasionally was a reporter, she may have met Mike doing a story on one of his projects- or maybe they met in the PTA .

I recently re-watched the pilot ['The Honeymoon'] and was amazed on what I didn't pick up on when I first saw it as a kid- like the fact that Mike and the boys lived in a one-story house that seemed would have barely had room for a newlywed couple- much less 'four men' and Alice. Of course when the series started all nine were in the iconic two-story , three bathroom [with all six kids grudgingly sharing one but never considering using the folks' or Alice's bathroom] pad. Also if the Brady men drove to the Tyler house with Tiger, how did Alice get there before the nuptuals since she didn't drive? But the funniest thing is that I remember when I was a kid, I thought both Mike and Carol were way too harsh on their kids during the Tiger-Fluffy Wedding Feud but as an adult I now I think Carol WAS right to try to get the girls to 'stop that screaming' [which really wasn't helping solve anything ] and Mike WAS right to tell the boys to remind them to 'put that dog back in the car' (even though Mike needed to kick himself for letting the boys guilt him into bringing Tiger along in the first place). Also, back then, I thought it was perfectly logical for them to invite the entire Bunch on the honeymoon to make up for things but now I wonder where the other seven were supposed to squeeze in with the parents taking up the only bed! Anyone else surprised how they've grown to side more with the folks than with the kids? LOL

On paper, one would think that having the name of Emily and being a schoolteacher would have made Emily a dull, nebbishy helpmate of Bob but Miss Pleshette turned Emily into the coolest of cool characters on that show and even when she showed her flaws [e.g. fear of flying], Emily never lost that coolness. Also, I like that she was a genuine friend to Carol instead of considering her just her husband's employee OR someone to be irrationally jealous of! Miss Pleshette said she told the writers to write the character 'like a man and I'll turn the lines into a girl' and she did it perfectly! Oh, and unlike The Fonz, Emily never had to snap her fingers and SAY she was cool, she just WAS.

Watching this show, I have to wonder if there will be ANY granite left over in another ten years since these homeowners seem to think 'granite countertops' are as vital as air [evidently never having heard about how hard it is to clean once knives cut grooves into it]and there's NO more granite being made for a few more million years!

Interesting to know, Trooper York. Typical that they couldn't just let Hoss's Uncle visit without killing him. Now why didn't Adam's maternal grandfather the sea captain ever bother to visit? Could he have just been confident that Adam would grow up to be just as boring as his late daughter was?

Good point, Maverick! There seemed to be a GREAT deal that went unexplained re Carol in addition to how she knew these kooky folks. Like did she just sponge off her folks [the Tylers] for the 'few years' after her marriage to Mr. Martin ended and did Mr. Martin die or did they divorce? They never said on the air! I tend to side with the idea that they divorced if for no other reason than the fact that she insisted the girls change THEIR surname to Brady as soon as she wed Mike while I think had Mr. Tyler been someone who'd died, she'd have mourned him and wanted the girls keep that surname until their own marriages [as things usually went back in the day]. Also, why didn't she, her daughters or any of her side of the family ever interact with the Tylers after she married Mike? Apart from one time she said they couldn't babysit The Bunch in 'The Babysitters' due to them being out of town, neither she nor any of the above even refer to the Tylers again much less interact when visiting the Bradys. Oh well, it still was a fun show even if they all needed an Alice to keep things going! LOL

BW Manilowe, I think you could be right- especially since the way the Bradys acted 'naturally' on the commercials was almost EXACTLY the same as when they used 'Meerna's' techniques. I never understood how Carol had become acquainted with Meerna in the first place,though. Even her being a friend of a friend meant that that middle linke would have had to have been REALLY kooky. LOL

I know it was dealing with death but didn't care for Phil's funeral. I mean we never seen the character on screen and whenever Sophia told stories she almost always said "except Phil" so I really felt no connection or anything like that. Maybe if they had Phil visit maybe 2 or 3 times then maybe. And I [usually a fan of Sophia] thought they let Sophia get away with too much stuff against his widow Angela. First of all, she actually insisted that one reason she hated Angela was due to the dowry check Angela's late father had made BOUNCING and then wouldn't take Angela's check without a driver's license. WHY didn't someone point out that, after a husband dies, the husband's family is supposed to pay the widow the principle of the dowry. Hence, Angela owed HERSELF the money not her owing Sophia. Then, too, if Phil was such a 'great father' why is that NONE of their children made it to the funeral or even had anyone explain their absences? Still, what saved it for me was that Sophia actually admitted that a BIG part of her problems with Angela [and Phil] was that she felt guilty over his crossdressing. And, even though it was somewhat uncharacteristic of the character [and the show], it was very moving when Sophia FINALLY broke down and cried 'My baby boy is dead'!