moonorchid

Maggie never gives anyone slack ever. It’s very cut and dry with her. I still hate how angry and indignant she got when she found out Richard figured out who she was and didn’t run to tell her right away. It’s never as simple as “you lied!”. He had just found out ellis his his child and now this child has zero interest in getting to know him. That’s ROUGH! It was one of the first things I didn’t like about maggie.

Mark did something similar with his daughters son. To the effect of he chose to be a parent to his daughter rather than a grandfather to his grandson, especially when good parents wanted him. Brittneys parents have to put brittney first, and Owen is a lot of things but he loves Leo and will do right by him. It’s a hard decision but easier to make when you know where leo is going.

His charisma would hold up any relationship. I love Greg German. Grey’s anatomy doesn’t deserve him.

Does social services even know about Betty’s involvement? In the real world a biological mother who is a drug addict and has relapsed already would not be allowed unsupervised visits. I can very much see what they are doing being used against them.

He called her a whore for sleeping with George. Well implied it. He never actually said the word but we all know what he was getting at. I think merder was so massive because of that first season which was almost fairytale like on top of their insane chemistry. The word gets said so much it loses its meaning but chemistry matters! Whats killing me with merluca, Krista came out and called merder toxic for the same reasons she’s framing merluca as cute! How in earth is this being flown under the radar? In the time of MeToo how is his behavior still being framed as charming and no one is calling this out?

It’s difficult to see him as prestigious as mark when they never really show us his journey as a doctor. I swear all of a sudden he’s listing his credentials and I’m like “when did all that happen?”

That’s grey’s anatomy in a nut shell tbh. Meredith kept telling mcdreamy “no” and he kept asking. But Meredith *was* doing the coy thing so it’s iffy. its hypocritical of Krista to call merder toxic because of this AND the imbalance of power but then be all for merluca 😕 off topic, “one day at a time” just released their third season and they have an episode dedicated to exactly this trope. It’s pretty awesome.

I am so happy I didn’t see any spoilers prior cause I literally squealed and was so happy to see max, I really like him and now Penelope and I’m still holding out hope for them. Ugh that man is so hot, lol. I find myself crying a lot watching this. I enjoyed everything.

I can’t stand maggie either for my own reasons but I’m genuinely curious based of this episode what was it that irritated you? And others? From what I saw, she had little to do except listen to Richard go on about going through the hard times with your partner and then her comforting Jackson? Me personally anyone could have literally been sitting there and would understand exactly what he was going through, this experience is not particular to maggie. Heck Jackson *has* gone through this before. But that’s my bitterness over the April part of this coming out, lol.

It seems to me that if it doesn’t involve maggie or affect her or she doesn’t deem it worthy it just doesn’t exist. I think this situation would have been a good character growth moment for maggie in terms of maybe understanding why her mother chose to keep her illness from her but that would include having maggie be wrong and this show will not have her be wrong.

Whars killing me though, she’s not the first to be like this but the first to not be called out and the first to be given the high ground by the show. maggie is not thinking of anyone else but herself. Not Jackson, not Richard, and certainly NOT the women who has cancer and has lost all agency. It’s driving me crazy how this is just being shrugged off. Maggie has been like this, it’s about what *she* thinks is right and on *her* timetable. It gets put under the guise of “I tell the truth” but nuance is dead with her. Meredith kind of gets like this too back in the day, she would def take sides, but Meredith also would hear the other out and realize that life doesn’t work in a black and white way and that sometimes there’s not always a villain. They are even trying to develop maggie into any semblance of a mature human being. And speaking of her mother, I wish maggie would think about why her mother kept her illness from her. Why she went on an “end of my life” world tour WITHOUT her daughter.

My only guess is cause she was in the military? I’m not sure how that works. Man I can not get over maggie. Just what she’s allowed to get away with. Remember Cristina the first time she met teddy and how teddy handled that. I wish she’d handle Maggie’s self righteous attitude the same way. Teddy didn’t ruin anything for amelia, amelia and Owens stupid ass back and forth did this. Yes teddy should have told him and her reasons for not doing so we’re stupid but nuance and “grey area” is so lost on maggie.

I don’t usually go shows like this but was intrigued by the cancer aspect. It grounds this show from being too cutesy and zaney which a lot of these teen shows tends to lean towards, in the extreme. The two female leads are fantastic. So much presence and charm and they have great chemistry together. I totally believe their level of devotion to one another. I hope the show has Alexa and Katie grow and mature that devotion and don’t turn it into something toxic. I like how the families have blended into one large group whom genuinely love one another. I like how the parents aren’t being portrayed as too stupid, I like the brother and how he’s vain and a little simple on the surface but he actually cares very deeply. His subtle reflections about his sisters cancer is very touching. Ive caught myself laughing at the gags which don’t normally happen. I like how things carry over from one episode to the next. Nothing is really forgotten. The hole stayed in the table for a few eps which I thought was hilarious. Heck I loved that it was pointed out at all. The one oopsie I caught: they repainted Alexa’s entire room blue but in the next episode the part of the wall that had “after this we’re getting pizza” was there with the old color as background. I honestly really enjoy this show and I hope there’s a season 3.

I thought of izzie too watching maggie. I’m trying to remember if izzie went unchecked like maggie is though. I’m not sure what they want to us to think about maggie. The issue I have is they keep throwing her in these complex situations but maggie is not complex or deep so when she acts like a brat, that’s really all there is.

First time since the beginning of last season I watched an entire episode of greys. Here we go! - I can’t believe teddy is only now finally telling Owen about being pregnant and of course she does that annoying thing of prefacing it with “i need to talk to you but not now” so I have no problem with Owen trying to figure it out during surgery. Crying out loud you waited this long what’s another few hours. And I know she’s tall but how far along is she? I feel like she should be showing a little by now. - did anyone see the nurse who told teddy the OR was calling her? The SHADE in her eyes made me freaking roll! Haha. - I’ve seen some say Levi’s speech was akin to hahns leaves speech and I didn’t get that sense. Unlike Hahn, he knew he was attracted to men but much like with girls, sex just wasn’t happening for him. I wasn’t down with his attitude even though I got where he wasn’t coming from. But they really had intern Levi talk to attending Nico like that, telling him “take this patient to Peds”. This is the problem with grey’s now a days. There is not even a little respect for actual positions like there used to be. Derek and burke and Addison never would have stood for that crap. So that took me out a bit but man I laughed way too hard at Nico being flown across the way when he stepped outside, lol. - plus the symbolism of their first time and the winds picking up astronomically with live wires shooting electricity (chemistry!) everywhere made me roll my eyes HARD! Subtle this show is not. - this might be the first time I was truly charmed and warmed by jolex. The way we started with them in bed and how they both sleep like toddlers and the way he tuned over and nuzzled into her. Maybe losing japril has made me vulnerable but it was super freaking cute. I didn’t mind that he didn’t go in, he tried but there were alerts telling people to stay in and bailey told him to stay home cause coming in wasn’t worth the danger since you know...THE ACTUAL CHEIF OF SURGERY WAS THERE! - I do wish this show would stop trying to act like these people are only middle class. Alex wants a new tv, then buy a new tv with your hot shot chief salary. - I have never liked how meredith coddled maggie so when mer told maggie “he should do more surgery with you” i loved it. That’s the snarky mer I knew! Maggie’s whining about her fight with Jackson is annoying, her insistence that Meredith drop everything to listen to her whine is annoying, her childish middle school attitude about “you’re my sister your supposed to side with me” and how she actually means that makes me wants to beat my head against a wall. This is a character that they want us to love so damn hard but none of this crap would fly with anyone else. I’m already tired with HIPPA being treated as more of a suggestion than actual law. But honestly, there IS a difference between what mer did and what maggie has done twice now! Meredith told maggie to get her off her back and establish a support system for Jackson. Both times maggie did it (while not technically the second time, she had no business revealing it seconds after being told) was cause SHE couldn’t stand having a secret and to relieve herself of the “torture”. Maggie didn’t tell Jackson for Jackson or for Catherine, she told him for herself. Cause she relates to this in the worst most selfish way and she thinks it’s the correct thing to do. She wants to establish and prove herself to be able to be there. The problem is maggie supports people in the way she *thinks* they need instead of what they actually need. I know what they are trying to do with jaggie and they are so off base its mind blowing. And Maggie’s attitude with teddy? Girl take all the steps back! This reminds me of how judgmental izzie used to be when she was an INTERN! and she wasn’t allowed to carry that holier than thou attitude and I wish teddy would have told her to mind her own business but nope, another character being sacrificed at the alter of maggie so she can have the high ground. It makes me rage. I resent this show trying to trivialize what went down last week with jaggie. Nothing got resolved and Jackson was already ready to sweep it under the rug before he found out about Catherine and now it def will be. But they tried to compare them to that old couple fighting and nope! There’s fighting over trivial things like decorations and then theres Jackson revealing how april is the one that got away. I know krista and Kelly vehemently say it’s just reflection but the writing and the acting portrayed something totally different. it’s not the same and just showing up doesn’t mean they are better or healthy. Heck if this was japril they would have used this to point out how band aids don’t fix a problem. Lastly, i got the sense that link is who mer “should” be with and Deluca is who she “wants” to be with.

I’m not going to lie, the one thing I’m loving about everything that’s happened is that now Jackson is being called to task (by fans) for all his sh*t! April made so many mistakes and effed up but Jackson wasn’t a victim and he’s never been called out like he has been these last few weeks.

Cause last episode he poured his heart out to her and made himself incredibly vulnerable emotionally and she walked out on him! After emplored him to open up to her...and now she wants to talk about the weather...cmon now.

It’s not new but the showrunner is talking about how merder would be sexual harrassement and would never fly in 2018 so it’s noteworthy to be bothered by this when the showrunner is saying to be bothered by it.

I feel like only we make a big deal out of HIPPA, plus it’s meredith and maggie...I won’t be surprised if it’s never brought up or Catherine thanks them for doing it so she didn’t have to.

I didn’t even think about that hypocricy of how maggie deals with her problems and how she judges teddy for how she’s dealing with hers. I didn’t think of it now but it’s something that’s been prevalent with her since we’ve known her. She’s incredibly judgy with no real legs to stand on. reading Kristas article on ew explaining all her motivations and intent, there’s a huge disconnect between what she meant and what we saw. Like april is such a non factor to Krista but I don’t know how one watches Jackson in the scene and not think april is a huge deal to him still.

I think Jackson had accepted that him and April were too fundementally different to work out after all that transpired and he was embarking on something new so that’s alwahs exciting. The love was still there but he logic’d His way out of his romantic relationship with april. But now he’s accepted something that has created a gulf between them and knowing now that he could have a better understanding with the love of his life (my opinion), but it’s too late. That must be devastating. Now if you go by what krista wrote for ew, what Jackson is doing is more reflection than regret. Imo that’s not what happened on screen but I alwahs admit to having a bias. Also, you’re definitely supposed to be rooting for jaggie and having major sympathy for maggie. That’s not my opinion, that pretty much what krista said.

I definitely have thoughts but I wasn’t hinting at anything. Krista goes in detail about the storylines in this episode.

That’s an interesting question. Did he even try? He mentions that it was good to talk to someone who had been through the same thing. Which maggie hadn’t and maybe that’s why he felt uncomfortable sharing it. Their relationship isn’t that deep right now. Theres nothing wrong with Jackson finding like souls to talk about what he’s gojng through, the problem is he hid it from maggie.

https://ew.com/tv/2018/11/08/greys-anatomy-krista-vernoff-blog/ krista talking about her directorial debut and explains a lot

After watching Jackson’s scenes...I’m irritated with his behavior and attitude with maggie, he’s been acting like such a playboy and it’s not a good look on him. But I want to talk about the couch scene between him and maggie. Kelly got the props last night from Krista but imo Jesse carried the emotional weight of that scene and that’s cause Jackson has so much emotional history with the audience. We’ve seen his struggles. I had complained so often last season that Jackson’s history was being swiped away to put him and maggie on the same level. They did that! But now they’ve given it back to him and it just makes him and maggie seem way mismatched more than ever, not even getting into how bad their chemstry is and how they aren’t a strong enough pair to carry this. So i watched the couch scene, and I came away feeling so very sad for Jackson. He’s going to live his best life but he’s going to regret how it won’t be as amazing as it could have been. Jesse really tapped into that sadness and wow, when Jesse Williams actually cares and connects he’s amazing. This is the most depth he’s shown since no Montana! (Not shocking since the same writer who wrore montana wrote this episode) Concerning April, I think just labeling the reason they are apart as “cause God” is an incredibly broad stroke and doesn’t even come close to covering the intricacies of it all, but from what I heard and saw...he feels that now that he believes and has a better understanding of April’s faith, that he would have been more open to aprils train of thought and she might have leaned on him more. Because IMO, I think april left to grieve on her own because she felt she couldn’t lean on him BECAUSE he not only didn’t believe, but felt it silly. I always think back to the episode where samuel died and she’s understandably struggling with what she has to do and she talks about waiting for a miracle, then she stops and seems to shake herself out of it and says “why am I even talking to you about this?”. April felt she couldn’t be open about this. Well now Jackson is in the same headspace, and maybe he feels this huge gulf between them has now shortened and it’s just too late. April has moved on. That realization that now you feel you could be what she needs in a way you might not have been able to before is devastating! I felt Jackson’s devestation. I mean, his struggle isn’t about God, it’s about april. I’m so so sad for him. Maggie...Krista went on about how Kelly unpacked what makes maggie broken which would have been great if it’s not the same ol BS that she monologues about EVERY SEASON! Maggie does not have the emotional maturity to deal with that this, and hey, she’s been honest about that. Granted I don’t think she expected what she heard when she said “try me”. But girl is massively in way over her head with Jackson right now. “Messy” and “complicated” are the nice ways to describe what he’s going through. This was all about Jackson and his baggage to me. I don’t know what they are going for but I don’t know how jaggie become anything iconic after this.