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But I think that the dark haired kid had some degree of guilt (and maybe even remorse) which may be why he started spilling to the police. The blond kid is just a total psychopath. No guilt, no remorse, and apparently his parents are very happy to say that the other kid was the instigator. I guess they think their son, the cool cucumber, was led astray. I bet if you looked into the background of these kids you'd find some kind of animal torture/killing. I can't believe you can go to sadistically stabbing to death a high school friend without some prior practice in killing other helpless beings. This case reminds me of a 1920s crime which horrified America i- the Leopold/Loeb murder case. Leopold and Loeb were two young men from well to do families and they murdered 14 year old Bobby Frank who was a cousin of one of them. Clarence Darrow was hired as the defense attorney for Loeb and the crime was the inspiration of many books and movies over the years.

I've got to stand up and yell YES to everything you wrote! If this show continues like this I'm just going to call it quits and check in on this forum for the snark factor. I remember the original Equalizer back in the 80s and was hoping that this would be an updated version of that. I hate the CIA stuff and the recurring Big Bad of the season and wish that the team would just help the people with no where else to turn. It seems that the TV powers that be have decided that all people who watch the networks want to watch are things that go boom and lots of shooting and other violence. CBS dumped all the Sunday night shows that weren't over the top with the violence, so that must be what they think their viewing audience wants to see.

Jace we hardly knew ye. Yup, lots of stupid stuff which is pretty illogical (and maybe irrational). That being said it felt like they were getting a feel for this show, and unfortunately from the teaser ending it looks like it's going to go in the idiotic direction of something like The Equalizer or NCIS:LA with guns blazing and the 110 lb woman who can kick international ass and then be grabbed by evil agents of T.H.R.U.S.H. or KAOS or ??? In the name of all that is good and holy, can they not make a TV show that is about intelligent people solving crimes without all this over-the-top idiocy? So I will try next season's episode and if it looks like what they are teasing, I will be done. I really like the main characters but don't want to watch yet another overly violent action TV show.

Actually, that is apparently the truth. I haven't watched the episode yet, so I don't know exactly what they're showing, but Capote helped get her started as a model under the name Kate Harrington. She was another person who was seen a lot in the media in the 80s/90s.

Does anybody watch 48 Hours any more? This past episode was about the LA Therapist who had been engaged to Drew Carey and murdered by an obsessed ex-boyfriend (who she hadn't seen in 10 years, and who was "triggered" when he saw her at an event.

Sigh. I'm wishing that the writers had stayed on strike. If this is what they are being paid for, bring in some scabs please! I'm so sick of the characters being given "demons" and tragic back stories. And Nick being a human punching bag (yet again) just veers into violence porn. I'll pass on that. Next week looks like it will be very sad, and probably very heavy with flashbacks. David McCallum had a very long acting career; may he rest in peace.

I think that Danvers and Navarro are more interested in who killed Annie, and wasn't the pile o'dead scientists hauled off to Anchorage and the case taken away from Danvers? Navarro had known Annie and I think that Danvers got emotionally involved once she saw that video footage and heard Annie screaming. My bet is that both cases are going to be tied together. They will solve the scientists' deaths when they solve Annie's. I just read something online that said according to the director/writer, we've been seeing the guilty party throughout the episodes. Hank said that he didn't kill Annie, and (unless we're being led on a really bizarre goose chase), it wouldn't be Navarro or Danvers. Who else could it be? Rose? Navarro's boyfriend (oh I hope not!), the Head Cop (the one having sex with Danvers), Pete??? We know the mine woman has something to do with all of this, but could she be the actual murderer? I'm on tinderhooks waiting for the next episode!

I think that Hank wasn't going to shoot Danvers, but (correct me if I'm wrong), I think that he used her gun to kill Otis. My guess is that he intended to frame Danvers for the murder of Otis. His plan was foiled when Navarro and Pete came upon the scene. It seems to me that he then decided to commit" suicide by cop" when he aimed the gun at Danvers essentially forcing Pete to shoot him. He apparently thought that death was going to be a better option for him than spending the rest of his life in jail (if the mine boss didn't get to him first). Yeah, they're going to have to tie up a lot of loose threads (and hopefully solve both mysteries) next week. I hope that our 3 heroes all survive at the end. And does anybody know if there is a soundtrack list for the music? At the very least does anybody know the name of the song that Hank was singing when his son came to the house? It sounds familiar but I can't come up with the name of it.

Oh how I miss Liz Smith! I used to love her gossip column. Read her memoir when it came out - I wish that I still had a copy of it. Gore Vidal was quite the character. Very handsome in his youth, witty, intellectual, and he could be as vicious as Capote. I don't remember the story behind the Capote/Vidal feud but Gore Vidal shared a step-father with the Bouvier sisters (Jackie and Lee) in Hugh Auchincloss. Gore's mother was Auchincloss's 2nd wife, with whom he had a child (Gore Vidal's half sibling), and Jackie and Lee's mother was wife #3, and had 2 children with him (the son, Jamie, is still alive. Tragically, the daughter died from cancer in her late 30s). With all of the marriages and divorces of these society people , it seems that many are related to each other.

Agree to all of this! And what I don't understand is that 4 jurors didn't understand this in the first trial. I always go back to Occam's Razor - a) Stephen had been involved with Ildiko and apparently in deep enough to where he opened a business with her and was still obsessed enough with her to be looking at her emails to other men. B), she was killed by a bomb going off in a package apparently addressed to her. Kind of an unusual way to kill somebody outside of political (or ideological) assassination. But go figure - Stephen had all these chemicals in his garage and knew how to use them to make something go boom. Kind of an odd hobby and not a common one. C) - buying the box and the battery. Nothing to see there if his ex-lover hadn't been blown up but considering both a box of about the size he was buying, and the same kind of battery were in involved in the bomb, well, okay. Coincidental, but makes you go hmmmm. D), that performance or whatever the hell it was, that he gave to the cops. While watching just the bit we were shown it was like "Dude what the hell are you thinking with this?" Talk about waving a massive red flag! This guy really did think he was the smartest person in the room (or even the state)! and as Josh pointed out, when the police was asking him about Ildiko, he was using the past tense when speaking about her, even though she wasn't yet declared dead. I was also wondering, because it wasn't mentioned in the show, did he have any insurance on the business or even on the victim since she was a business partner? You'd think that he wouldn't blow up a business that he was a co-owner of, so was it a matter of him thinking the police would think the same, or that he could gain some insurance payout as well? Finally, two things - Valerie seemed like a nice woman even if where Stephen was concerned she was dumb as a box of rocks. I wouldn't doubt that she had friends who tried to tell her so but when people are in love, they truly do seem blind to what's obvious to the rest of the world. I felt bad for her when Josh showed her those emails but I think he did the right thing (even though it was on national TV). And we were told that Stephen was collecting disability, which he didn't seem to deserve to get. That made me angry because I have known people who are truly disabled and who were turned down. Stephen also obviously had enough money to get himself good lawyers (probably how he got the disability approval). What did he actually do for a living prior to becoming "disabled"?

No other comments yet? The plot thickens as they say. Truths are spoken, a marriage breaks up, and someone may be coming out. And yes, got to agree that Ted is a jerk and Aunt Marie is really a very bitter (and probably jealous) person. Great clothing and makeup. I loved it when the gang went to the underground Gay club, but my only complaint is that music was used that came out years after 1963 or 64; but I guess that only music nerds like me would be so picky about that. I'm going to miss this show when the season ends and will be looking forward to season 2.

My God, you need a flow chart! C.Z. Guest came from a Boston Brahmin family. She wasn't a social climber in the way the other women were. I recall that she had a Newspaper gardening column in the late 80s or early 90s; in some ways she was a proto Martha Stewart. Her daughter Cornelia Guest was all over the NY Social columns in the 80s - I think she was also well known as an Equestrian. Pamela Harriman - now that woman was a piece of work - she made the Swans look like a bunch of amateurs when it came to social climbing and bed hopping and a quest for power. I read a fascinating book about her some years ago and I guess that she could be described as the last of the great Courtesans. They don't make them like that any more.

Agree 100% about Salesman and Grey Gardens. And the spoof series "Documentary Now" did great versions of each. I don't think the Black and White Ball documentary was ever actually made.

Call me weird but this show, True Detective, and Funny Woman are the shows that I look forward to every week. I was thrilled when I found out they were making this 2nd season of Feud (love the first one) and the subject matter. As another person of a certain age, I remember seeing Truman Capote on all the talk shows in the late 60s into the 70s and most of the time he was in the bag. And he was flaming and made no bones about it. And the "swans" were in all of the NY Social pages of the time. These women still dressed to the teeth and conducted themselves in public like Grande Dames. Back in the day, Lee Radziwill was the most shocking with her running around with people like Mick Jagger and Andy Warhol, and she thought that she was going to marry Onassis... anyway, I digress. But hard to believe that Capote had landed exactly where he wanted to be, in the lap of the highest society but then turned around and bit the hands that fed him. As one writer recently put it in his blog: there is an old Southern expression - if you make a snake a pet, don't be surprised when you're bitten. That sums up Truman Capote and the Swans pretty well. And you just have to cringe when he was ripping up Ann Woodward with the nasty gossip and that rather than being totally appalled, Paley and company wanted him around all of the time. Ann Woodward was looked down upon so I guess they thought hearing Capote's shit was terribly fun but it wasn't fun when he turned the tables on them.

Yeah a case where the husband got away with murder. As the son said, he's not going to get justice in this life but probably the next. As far as the girlfriend, Jennifer, is concerned, I think she is a real POS. I don't buy that she didn't know he was married. I was in the AF many years ago and I can tell you that military bases are like small towns. Everybody knows everybody and if you don't know the person directly, you know somebody who does. Jennifer worked with the guy - believe me, somebody would have mentioned his wife and that she was stationed in Greece. And I think she was fine with the wife being killed - it sure didn't take her very long to move into the house. If they hadn't granted her immunity to get her to talk, she would have been tried as an accessory.

I can believe people getting depressed as hell with weeks and weeks of mostly darkness. People have more depression in the winter with the early darkness in the lower 48. As for focusing on all the personal trauma, you've got to realize that all the action is happening in less than a week and its Christmas week at that. It isn't as if we're watching months of the characters having screwed up lives but we're getting the idea of how they came to be so miserable in a condensed period of time. Maybe the young cop needs to look at the three other cops and realize that he might still have a way out. Haven't we seen Navarro drinking water from a tap? My hunch is that the mine is poisoning people and maybe some people are getting mental illness from it. I think there will be a "catch" where the viewers will have to decide whether Navarro can really see dead people or that her visions are all products of being poisoned in some way.

I really enjoyed this episode and did not miss William at all. I enjoy Eliza and Nash together and how they bounce off one another. Nash is being a mentor to Eliza (who can act like a real spoiled brat at times)and helping her come into her own. I'm probably in the minority here but I would love to see William (and the romantic moping around) gone for good.

I'm really happy that Peter made it home for Christmas. When he and Navarro went out to that Nomad camp, I was afraid it was going to end with a gunfight or the dogs being sicced on them. Navarro is a true badass in that even with 3 or 4 guys in a down and dirty fight, she gave as good as she got. But man - why the hell do that to yourself? My take is that all of the main characters are punishing themselves in some way. The horror aspects of the show don't do it for me. The screaming ghost thing is so weird. I'm under the impression that the ghosts are all of murdered/dead women. The ghost that Navarro saw in the what-ever that not quite a building is called, appeared to have blue hair like her sister. Maybe like the ghost her sister saw under the bed wearing the cross was their mother? There seems to be no way that any of that stuff is going to be explained rationally. And we're going to have to wait TWO weeks for the next episode (insert poop emoji here).

I think you're onto something. Kind of taking it back to the first episode with the Caribou running off the cliff. So will it be "Earth Spirits" behind the madness (and the spiral) or some crazy-making "bug" or chemical?

Ok, so I'm "old" also and I think there is more chemistry between Eliza and Nash than between her and "The Duke". There is something very attractive about a man who respects her intelligence and skill as an investigator enough to allow her to head up his main office. And I happen to think that Nash is a very good-looking man. And the way he and Eliza bicker back and forth, they're already like a long married couple. My guess is that Wellington is going to not get on that ship to New York as this isn't the last episode of the season. Seems like another fake-out cliff hanger to me.

I think that people are watching this show at different times (rather just on Sunday night when it first airs), so maybe the lag time in posts? There seem to be a number of weird things going on and my guess is that they are all going to be tied to the mine. The town's water turning black, stillbirths and newborn deaths among the Native population, the deaths of the scientists and of the original female victim (cold case murder). My guess is that the first victim (or known victim, anyway) was killed in regards to her mine protests. I don't think there is anything "supernatural" there. I think that the other deaths will be tied to the "She is Awake" the "she" being Mother Earth (or Gaia, as somebody else put it on another post) or some Native Female Mother of Us All Deity. There seems to be quite a bit in the show about mothers (and birthing). But we the viewers may "see" that but I don't know if the detectives will - in other words, the murders will be blamed on something "human" (and again, probably somebody tied in with the mine or it's parent company) even if it's just a lab experiment gone wrong (ancient frozen viruses or bacteria causing brains to go haywire). As much as I'm enjoying this show, I'm beginning to wonder if the basic story could have been edited into a 2 1/2 hour movie. There seems to be a lot of filler to pad it out to 6 hours.

How many hours/days has it been since we first saw the scientists and the herd of caribou run off the cliff until the time that episode 2 ended? For some reason I'm thinking that we're talking 48 hours or so - maybe not yet enough time for the FBI and international news sources to descend upon Ennis. And about the sex scenes - yeah they take up too much time but this IS HBO and that seems to be a calling card for HBO shows. Maybe the viewers expect and demand these scenes (although all I can say is 'yawn"). As for the "easter eggs" - sheesh, True Detective 1 was like 10 years ago - who the hell can remember that far back? Maybe they are all a shout out for the hard core fans or just an exploitation of a sorts. Series 4 should be able to stand alone on it's own merits without dragging up the obscure crap from Series 1, but just my opinion.

Not majorly impressed by Episode 1. The actress is wonderful in playing Barbara/Sophie and I understand that they're trying to give us the early 60s "Swinging London" background but this episode didn't grab me for some reason. I will report, for others feeling the same, it does get better in Episode 2, so don't give up yet!

Any comments on last night's episode? To me, one of the saddest crime cases is where a child kills their parent(s). And in this case, the police seemed to do a good job. It would have been very easy to have tunnel vision where they'd pin it on the wife and be done with it. My take is that the son in this case was a very spoiled and enabled young person who had no moral compass. It was his parent's bad luck that the kid's girlfriend/wife was cut from the same cloth. It's sad that all she got was a slap on the wrist (if you could even call it that).

Good to have the show back. It was a hoot seeing "Leonard" as the culprit. My companion saw him and said, "We see this guy a lot - I think he's a 2nd banana in a show..." LOL. I'm not invested in the Miss Scarlett/Duke relationship. To me, it's like poop or get off the pot already. I keep thinking that this is going to wind up as "Moonlighting" in Victorian garb. I do love how they have interesting side characters and keep adding to the stories of the ones who return like Ivy.