Alexander Pope

He is not doing that because he understandably wants her to tell the truth and make herself "look bad" on camera. He is a smart dude and knows exactly what he is doing. He is torturing her and I am here for it!

Sierra was amazing when she left--don't be stupid!! I give her serious props. I don't think anyone has been that blunt with the Bachelor before--and her tone was perfect.

I loved when Shanae cackled that sending other women home was BETTER THAN SEX. Clearly this is why she is here--to torment and triumph over other women. ClayN is just the means to that end. I see a thriller in the making. With Elizabeth and the shrimp it was Single White Female.

you know what would have been amazing? if Chris had ripped off his pants at that moment and showed her an eagle tattoo (or whatever it was) on his butt!!!

Lindsey was very cruel when she talked about the multiple ways Mark was letting it all hang out in private, including chewing with his mouth open and worse. That was insulting and bordered on verbal abuse. If she sees him backing away, this is not a way to get him closer. I should add having read more of the boards, that I didn't realize they had had sex three times that day. So I get that she is hurt. But that was still crass and inappropriate.

Agreed. But if Jasmina wanted this to work, she would reassure him rather than criticize him when he does so.

I like Marlena too but she got WAY too worked up about winning! And as is often the case with these competitions, it was more about drawing blood/conquering the other team than it was about time with Clayton. On another topic entirely, "I will never dim your light" is the dumbest Bachelor line EVER. There are no close contenders. If he says it again, I will hurl.

Lindsey seems to be perpetually drunk to me. I think there might have been alcohol in her matcha breakfast smoothy! I kid, but it is very hard to tell when she is sober. She is clearly in a lot of pain.

If I could like this a hundred times I would. They were both traumatized, but she was the parent, not Jack. I actually liked that in this episode we saw Jack as flawed--in this episode, he was a damaged kid. What was her excuse?

Yes it really is. And the actors are all great--so glad they cast neurodiverse actors here. I felt for everyone and I also laughed. Violet in particular--what a handful! and such a great actor!

I believe she is the one who said on the group date (therapy session) that she didn't feel comfortable talking about race on the show?

LOLL my bad! they must have changed the perspective on the shot! thank you!

You would think too that the precedent had been set when the men insisted Michelle dump Jamie on her season. Maybe this is a gendered response on the women's part?

I do think there was one of them who didn't stand up when asked the (non) question about what they didn't like about themselves. I think she was a brunette (?).

I told my 22 year old son, who upon seeing him immediately commented "that guy has just given up and I respect that," that he looked like Bozo, but if Bozo had fallen on hard times and couldn't afford his hair dye! I miss Loehmann's too.

I could be wrong but when they showed some old photos of his family at Christmas, his mom had a cigarette in her hand. He said she made some bad choices when it came to her health. So alcohol could also have been part of it.

thank you for mentioning that! it was one of my favorite moments of the night!

Reporting from LA: this is an actual job. They go with the DJ. Get up and move so the kids don't feel so awkward. Also did anyone notice that one of the blondes, who did a lot of talking heads, looked like a blonde Tia? That's what I am going to call her from now on.

Reporting from LA: this is an actual job. They come along with the DJ. Get up and move so the kids don't feel so awkward.

I had the feeling she definitely slept with Joe and Nayte, but not Brandon. He was the only one who still had his shirt on in the a.m. and then they had a very unsexy food fight. But I could certainly be wrong!

I don't watch this show, but I happened to catch it the other night and Jesse knows what he is doing! I think he will do a good job.

Romeo was a nice mathematics professor and she let him go!

I like the idea that she might secretly have found it funny, but I also think she likes hearing him lavish love on her. She was warmer too and more likeable and authentic than I've ever seen her. I give her an A for her performance last night.

I definitely don't think he did anything wrong.

I would not call Michelle "wrong reasons," and Jamie was obviously a total ass, but he wasn't completely wrong about her and Joe. There was history there and she did have a crush--for years!!--and had been blown off and it wasn't all that long ago. I always thought she protested too much when Jamie--quite wrongly and sneakily--made a thing of it, because she did have feelings for him. Michelle has been considered a saint this season, and nobody is a saint, certainly not on this show.