Alexander Pope

I'm chiming in here to agree fervently with all those who have pointed out the terrible fashion on this season. Gabby usually does look a lot better than Rachel, but when she came down in a beige tshirt and jeans to tell the guys she'd broken up with Nate, I couldn't believe how revealing that shirt was. No bra, total nip visibility--I'm amazed she eluded the infamous black box.

Steve Jobs always wore a black turtleneck. I recently read that Issy Miyake designed it for him!

Justin is way too invested in Binh. This guy has no boundaries I'm beginning to think. He loves Binh almost as much as he loves Alexis.

As a member of the tribe myself, I am totally fine with that!

I should add that I just remembered Jimmy's rationale for the name: "S's all good man!" I wonder if it matters that to my ear Saul Goodman is a Jewish name.

It was the other way around--Saul (a Jew) converted to Paul and Christianity. It would make sense that Jimmy chose the unredeemed name.

I was so annoyed with Rachel for cancelling the date that I thought Tino had a point, selfish as his way of putting it was. But I agree, he should have asked first.

I never thought I would say this, but she is lucky she let Meatball come back--Meatball of all people!! She needed the cannon fodder. He didn't look half bad with his glasses on btw.

I really liked Jesse in that moment. The way he drew on his own experience as the bachelor put him a cut above Chris Harrison as a host for the first time in my book.

This is a very interesting point. It makes me think though that over time the producers have become much more sexist. Emily would never have been humiliated like this and her season was a big hit as I recall. Women also enjoy watching strong women who take no crap have handsome men fight over them.

I think that's "celibant boner"! and I couldn't agree more! And Alexis now loves talking about it too!

I am having issues with Alexis. I think she absolutely loves how much Justin is "in love" with and into her while also very reasonably not feeling on the same page. I don't think anyone can love Alexis as much as she loves herself. She doesn't feel quite real to me in their scenes together. And that whole conversation with Stacia where she immediately started talking about her own dad, and then apologizing for saying she knew her dad, was unnecessarily awkward. Something is not right with that one and I fear she will break Justin's heart.

As they would say in the eighteenth century, she has no conversation. Gabby is Madame de Stael next to Rachel!

I'm so sorry for your loss. We lost our dog in March and are still not over it. Hayden is not worthy of his dog and it is ironic that he calls women bitches so cavalierly.

Nothing is more romantic than telling your date that your dog's head suddenly caved in from a brain tumor!! and nothing says asshole more than leaving the creature you claim to love more than anyone else in the world while they're dying.

It drove me crazy that Nate jumped in that beautiful tub with his dirty shoes on!!!

I totally agree about Rachel's insecurity. But she and Gaby are insecure in different ways. Gaby is clearly wounded by her history with her mother and carries a lot of pain and insecurity as a result. She can be very articulate and insightful about the men's behavior (and I remember too that she was super effective when she told Clayton to take a hike last season) and it's clear that she is in therapy and needs to stay in therapy IMO. She was really treated horribly by both Jacob and Hayden who confirmed her fear that she was just unlovable. When Jacob said he would leave if she were the only bachelorette, I was incensed. Hayden was no better, that patronizing asshole. Rachel on the other hand just seems to want to make out. She has no interest in conversation. She wants to skip all that and connect instantly (as her dumping of Jordan or whomever he was last week demonstrates). So in her mind a simple and polite no--which was a heck of a lot more than Gaby got from Hayden or Jacob--is a major diss. I am giving Rachel side-eye, while I really feel for Gaby. And I also felt for Erich who had no idea how to handle that avalanche of insecurity and sadness from Gaby on a first date. I hope he is nice enough to understand.

Having now watched this to the end, I can add that Mitch seemed more enthusiastic about how Miguel looked when he ran into him in the bathroom than he did about how his wife looked. Also he was super vain about how women have "been aggressive with him before" when talking about the possibility of sex on his wedding night, and speaks about himself in the third person. I thought I couldn't hate him more but now I hate him more.

when she told him he looked beautiful at the altar and he didn't say the same to her I wanted to punch him through my screen. I wanted to punch him some more when he complained constantly about her heels and dress and makeup ON HER WEDDING DAY. Is he from Mars??? Even Emelia from New Orleans got dressed up for her wedding! Agree as well that he was rude in not giving her his coat. I can't remember when I have disliked a person on this show more. What a douche.

the illusion netting on the black cocktail party dress she wore to the rose ceremony was TRAGIC.

Agreed!! Also: Gaby is a much better/sexier dresser than Rachel! What Rachel wore to the post-group date party looked like an office dress gone "sexy." Drab olive green shirt dress for a cocktail party--what was she thinking? And the red sequined mini with spaghetti straps she wore to the one on one with the guy she dumped did her no favors, nor did her makeup. Also: Gaby is about five years older than Rachel and a heck of a lot more sophisticated. She can handle these guys and keep things light (manic nodding aside, though that combined with the joker grin probably works on them and she knows it), while Rachel is in it for LOVE. I am already worried for Rachel.

I think Mike felt the same way about Howard's end. His face when he was looking at the two bodies facing each other in fetal position in the same grave spoke volumes. Jonathan Banks earned an Emmy last night too IMO.

Looks to me like the women can give the bachestants a rose but they can refuse, and often do!

It was definitely Erich who made out with Gabby, very intensely, and then flirted with Rachel and almost kissed her but thought better of it. I suspect Gabby gave the FI rose to Mario because she knew she could be sure of him. Not so sure about Erich, who seemed to just want a rose and not care who gave it to him--but she and Erich have better chemistry IMO. Mario seemed much sweeter. I found it interesting that Gaby's thing is her "humor," and Rachel's thing is her "heart." Gaby also made a big thing of having "dated em all" when they talked about each other's types and was playing the field at the RC more than Rachel, while Rachel is selling herself as America's sweetheart here for love. I wonder how that is going to play out?

I distinctly heard him say "stocks" and he also said "bitcoin." Not romantic but not necessarily cheap either! Am I hallucinating?