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Holy hell, seeing Nadia Turner's daughter auditioning made me feel sooooo old - not many things do that to me, but wow. Daughter sounds commercial to me, but not the strongest singer. Not sure she'll get through hollywood. I think nerd guy with plaid pants and glasses is going to show up to hollywood as a total hottie - he's obviously a good looking guy under the doofiness. It's like the old librarian cliche. Girl singing Avril Lavigne was not done any favors when they played the real version after her signing it. I wanted to plug my ears. I didn't love pregnant girl's voice. The fact she was pregnant was what stood out to me, not the vocals. I liked the first guy that played piano and did the impromptu bayou sing along with the judges, and the super blond girl in the plaid dress.

Exactly!

I believe the term for Mark is basic. WYSIWYG.........but I would say that I would take that over the controlling asshole Olajuwon any day. And being able to navigate social situations (unlike his wife) makes him the winner here in my eyes, taco and sushi or no..... I think it's really a shame with Mark because he wants to be married so badly and was prepared to work for it, but they matched him with this unhinged woman, who may be more worldly and sophisticated, but is mean, crude and has no social graces. If they had maybe picked a more basic woman he could have been one half of a MAFS success. I feel the same about Chris. Two decent guys ready to be married wasted on stupid MAFS drama. I have been out of town all week and haven't watched this episode. I might just FF to the dinner and skip the rest based on all of the comments here - will that work?

Ok I thought this season was way better from a comedy stand point, but plot-wise I thought season 1 was better. I am loving the relationship between Dr. Mallory and General Naird. When Mallory was shoved in between those vending machines and Naird left him there after getting some Sun Chips was hilarious to me. I also liked when they shared their terrible news outside and walked away friends still. The whole conversation about the theme song was hilarious to me. I liked the fife....... I also laughed at the virtual tour of Space X. John Malkovich is killing it for me in this show. The one thing I don't love is Captain Major Ali and Dr. Chan. I did like the battlebots fight though. As a semi-regular viewer of real Battlebots, I wonder if her magnet/drill would be disallowed. If not, it's kind of genius. I liked that Erin's day trading actually worked. In most shows, I feel like she would have lost all of her college money. They zigged when I thought they would zag..... I liked that Tony became a more 3-D character instead of just Jean-Ralphio Part 2. It was satisfying seeing him get slapped when he was freaking out about his cell phone. I liked what a good friend he was to Ali and Chan. I knew the Mad Buff commercial would be awful when the camera man caught Naird going "Blah Blah Blah", but it was still funny. Also, Mad Buff sounds awful. Gut Milk still wins for fake TV drinks! ;-p

What you said in your own post is what is missing here: "He left it up to me and never complained. We both never demanded anything." I don't think the problem is that O wants someone to make meals for him. It's his way of expressing this that is problematic. He is forcing it on Katina and demanding she comply regardless of her feelings about it. He is married to a woman that is not into cooking and doesn't seem to have any desire to do it other than because her new spouse expressed that it is important to him. The issue is that he never asked Katina if she wanted to do it. He's basically said "it's your job as a wife to feed me and you are not meeting my expectations." There was no discussion about splitting household jobs and what he would do vs. what she would do. Just this is your job (whether you want it or not) and you aren't doing it.

I didn't even get that far, and now I am glad. Blech!

I actually liked this episode a lot. I haven't watched Idol for a couple years, but this made me glad I'm trying it again. For now at least..... I liked the good looking guy that sang Strawberry Wine. His voice reminded me of John Legend a little. I also liked the weird low energy guy they said sounded like Owl City. I immediately thought he sounded like the lead singer from Twenty One Pilots. I don't know if that's good or bad..... Miss America is not going to survive. She's too perfect. She picked pageant-y songs. When they asked her to pick a country song, she picked the most schmaltsy one out there. I think they wanted her to show something different and she picked something exactly like her first song. Just no - she already sounds dated. She is not the next Kelly or Carrie.......however.......... I think Kennedi is great. I really hope she can navigate this and do well - pretty young girls with big voices don't usually do great on this show. But I liked the grit in her voice and her musical choices. The fact that she picked a cool song unlike Miss America bodes well. Fingers crossed she doesn't get chewed up and spit out like so many before her..... Ok, I hate the sob stories, but man, Kelci got me. She wasn't trying to tell a sad story - it just is a sad story that she is living. Maybe I'm naive, but coming in to her audition in muck boots doesn't feel like an ironic choice, but just what she has. Like, country poor. Talking about her mom and grandma and about grandma wanting her to sing in church, woof - I couldn't take it. Then she sang that song. When she sang I cried. Thinking about her I still feel sad. Watching her and her story made me thankful for the things I have in my life. I don't know why this one got me so much. I just want to hug her.

I think we have met them - when they are hanging out with the guys only they seem happy and fun. These women are horrible and never should have been chosen in the first place. Neither is ready for a relationship. I admit I stopped watching after Viv's conversation with O and Katina. By the time she was crying I wanted to punch him or my wall or something. There have been some real assholes on this show, but something about the way he speaks to her and about her triggers me. It absolutely disgusts me. I find his attitude about her "role" vile. Fuck you Olajuwon. Get a maid and a chef. Your "husband level" sucks. Just tell me - do I need to finish watching this episode? I saw the ball gags coming up and thought oh hell no........

Exactly! There is ZERO evidence of him being aggressive or threatening in any way, yet there is AMPLE evidence for her icy demeanor and nasty tone.....Jasmina is lucky this season features Lindsey and Alyssa because she is no prize either!

I totally agree with this assessment. I also think Lindsey has shown that when she asks Mark something, she doesn't actually let him answer - she immediately starts talking over him. And when he does answer, she has also invalidated his opinions by calling his feelings "bullshit" or rolling her eyes or saying something rude. Lindsey demanding answers from him and either not letting him talk or belittling his answers has taught Mark to just not bother. I would be over it too. She seems to think because she did a few nice things for him (I put on a hazmat suit!) that entitles her to talk to him however she wants. Tit for tat in a relationship is not a good road to go down. In real relationships, give and take happens and sometimes there is an imbalance and that's ok. Because the next time you might be the one that needs to be the taker. I don't see Mark throwing out "You put on a hazmat suit? Oh yeah? Well, what about when I took your side and smoothed things over with the others after your bad behavior on the plane?" Mature healthy relationships require doing nice things for your spouse without the expectation of reciprocation, but hopefully knowing that it will happen because your spouse also feels the same and treats you accordingly.

If you do, I recommend Kim playing "Corona" from early 2020. She's an absolute hoot. I am happy they won - they really earned it, and their knowledge of the show makes me feel like they really were fans and not just internet famous recruits. I would have been fine with any of the final three though, and that's not usually the case. I wouldn't mind seeing either the FA or Ryan & Dusty on an all-star season. Even though this was the weirdest season ever, I actually enjoyed it more than the last few "normal" seasons. I hope using self-navigation continues to be used more in the next season. It adds a layer of drama that has been missing since they don't book their own airfare any longer. I think that's why I didn't mind the chartered plane - flights as a source of drama has been missing for a long time in this show. I liked the final memory challenge - it's always so intense when it's two teams frantically trying to be the first to get it right, and this one didn't disappoint with the "FAULT"! "FAULT!" FAULT!" being called every time they got it wrong. I also liked the callback to prior seasons with the foley work. I will never not laugh at "MY OX IS BROKEN!"

He spent the entire season telling everyone he talked to that he wasn't attracted to her. I don't want to bring in the reunion in case anyone reading this hasn't seen it, but Deepti didn't need to do anything to make Shake unlikeable - he did that to himself from the get-go - even in the pods he came across as a sleeze. The fact that every single participant loathes him says volumes. And the fact that he wanted to party and didn't seem sad at all at the wedding says he didn't care that she said no. I don't feel sorry for him at all.

Thank you for this. I have read through everyone's comments and I thought I was the only one who was somewhat rooting for Shayne and Natalie until the blowup. They had a natural rapport that the other couples didn't have. The fact that the other participants were so sure they would get married says a lot to me - they were the couple I was most sure was actually going to say yes. I was actually a little sad when she got out of that car and said they had a horrible fight. I knew him striking out at Wrigley was bad news. I totally agree with your assessment. And I think being super drunk and upset allowed all of his feelings about the times Natalie teased him in a mean way (including calling him a piece of shit) just came out. He's definitely got some issues, but I do believe he loved her and was devastated when she said no, and she was equally sad about it. I loved her answer to why she said no though. When she said she was standing with her dad and realized how safe and loved she felt compared to when she stepped up next to Shayne and realized she didn't feel that with him. On the other end, I was so happy to see Deepti say no. She was a straight up boss. I loved when she said one day Shake will realize she is exactly perfect for him, but it will be too late because she will be long gone. Totally cliche, but you go girl! No, really - go and don't look back at that asshole! I am glad Sal got to reject Mal before she rejected him because I was sure she was going to say no. I am glad he realized she didn't love him like he deserved. They both came across as mature about it though, so good for them. I liked their little convo afterwards. So calm. Sal's speech was sweet to her family. And when she said "I might have said yes" when he asked what she would have said if he said yes says everything about why the no from him was the right call. Weirdly, I don't care about either of the successful couples. Neither of them are as sweet and cool as Cam & Lauren. I will be shocked if Nick & Danielle make it for long. She is a ball of insecurity - even she knows it! "You don't know how I acted this whole time" while she was getting ready says how neurotic she was. I did enjoy watching Nick melt into a ball of sweat though. I mean seriously, it was cartoon levels of sweat!

Late to the party, but just came here to vent my disgust for O's attitude and comments to Katina. I was chilled to the bone by the tone and words coming out of his mouth. What a caveman. A week ago I said he was my favorite. Reverse. Lindsey is verbally abusive drunk, Alyssa is a spoiled narcissist acting out, but this guy takes the cake for me. They way he calmly told her to start living up to his standards was scary. I wanted to punch him. Who is he to demand she change for him? You want the floor mopped before bed? You do it! You want a home cooked meal every night? You make it! If your wife doesn't like to cook, she is not obligated to feed you. You are a grown ass man. Take care of yourself. Katina seemed to be doing fine taking care of herself without him. Fuck him.

Wouldn't that be a fun show - they should have a follow up show where they send the wronged participants on a nice vacation after their divorce - they could call it "Divorced at First Sight". At this point, they would have almost as many participants as the mother ship......

Mindy was there for a while too.....

Wow - I hadn't seen that! Kind of a weird pair but oh well. I thought Mindy was in Mexico - guess I've lost track!

Is that implying she is dating Ryan now? Is she trying to run the table with these guys - who's next - Gil??? Or are they "just friends"??? ;-p

You are absolutely entitled to have your opinion of why Lindsey is the way she is - my point is that it might not be as simple as "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree". I never said Lindsey was special needs. I was using my life experience to explain why I don't necessary lay Lindsey's issues directly at the feet of her parents. And you say "based on what we see of them on a TV show" - well, we haven't seen Lindsey's mother. She is not involved in this show at all. We have no idea what she is like other than what Lindsey says. Based on what we've seen of Lindsey, I don't consider her a reliable source of information.

Speculation and judgement of the participants? Sure. I 100% support analyzing the people on this show - that's why I'm here on this forum! Their unseen parents who have nothing to do with this shit show? I doubt the producers care what the audience thinks about Lindsey's absent mother, and my own life experience has tempered my willingness to judge other people for their kids actions, particularly when the person in question is a grown adult.

I don't think it's fair to judge a person we've never seen and the only thing we know about is from Lindsey, which, consider the source. I would have been prone to think like you and judge parents for kids behavior until I had a special needs kid that has social and behavior issues. You cannot see her issues outwardly - she looks like your average teenager. If you met her, you might think my husband and I are terrible people having raised a rude, uncouth, anti-social kid, but I have spent blood, sweat and tears trying to help this kid with meds and therapy, both for myself and her. Conversely, if you met my son, you would think differently - he's the sweetest, kindest person I know. Yet we are the same people raising completely opposite kids. Many times the apple's behavior has nothing to do with the tree it fell from. Lindsey is a grown woman. Her mother is not responsible for her at this point. The only one responsible for Lindsey's behavior is Lindsey.

I completely agree with your assessment of Olaj - he has been thoughtful, committed and astute about his assessments of others on the show. But I also think the no sex is coming from Katina. If she was open to it, I don't think he would put her off.

I am with you @StatisticalOutlier - what is wrong with these people indeed! I find fault with both Katina and Lindsey in that exchange. Both behaving like assholes IMO. How hard is it to be polite and keep it together for the sake of the group? They made everyone uncomfortable. Everyone. Including me as a viewer. I really wish the producers would stop these group meet ups. Some casts become good friends, but that is not happening with these people. It's hard to watch. If I was Mark, I would not go near these other couples with Lindsey. I would have a stomach ache waiting for the altercation to happen, because you know it's coming. I would be moving in with Chris because I wouldn't want to walk on eggshells all the time waiting for my spouse to verbally abuse me. Because that's how I view it now. Verbal abuse. She is vicious and emasculated him and purposefully embarrassed him in public. I would be out. Mark doesn't deserve that from her at all. No-one does.

It would be awesome if Steve in his decision day speech used the words of her post to explain why he is saying "no".......

You just summed up my feelings exactly - every word you said! I can only guess how uncomfortable Mark was in that situation. Sitting there stressed out his wife is going to start something and then it happens - nightmare time. Lindsey is a crass loudmouth with zero social graces and an inability to read the room. I feel sorry for her because she is always going to be in conflict and have few friends because she constantly alienates everyone around her. Mark's snarky comment was just his frustration bubbling up. Lindsey seems to think because she is nice sometimes that entitles her to be a bitch when she is upset. It doesn't work that way. Her bathroom explosion was completely unhinged. I believe circumstances don't make you what you are, they reveal what you are, and she has been revealed to be crazy. MTS should follow in his pal Chris's footsteps and peace out. Katina is a mean girl. Was Lindsey wrong? Of course. Everyone knows it and is on Katina's side. She doesn't need to be so pissy. It is very immature to not let it go. And with her little minion Alyssa chiming in, it was so Jr. High. Picking on the awkward social outcast is not cool. Oh and Alyssa - Katina could give a crap about you. She is not your friend. You can leave now. And don't think moving to Texas is going to help you unless you change your name and entire look. The internet does exist there. Good luck after this shit show YOU created. And Noi - another immature girl here. I cannot even fathom what happened there. Stomping off and then word vomiting your feelings on social media is so childish. I am glad Steve calmly told her off about it. That whole scene looked more like a dad lecturing his child. She deserved that set down for her behavior though. I really don't think she is ready for a big girl marriage if she thinks this is mature adult behavior. Ugh. Jasmina and Mike had an ok week, but I can't shake the feeling that she is generally uptight and unpleasant. She seems so cold to me. Maybe it's just the way she has been edited, but her friend kind of confirmed it when she said she was a bossy know it all, so........ Once again, this season sucks. Things are going downhill when Olajuwon is the most level headed and mature one in the bunch........