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It’s funny you mention this....20 years ago my cousin recommended the books, & I dismissed her recommendation as soon as she said “ time travel”. Just last year when I saw her, I finally got a chance to tell her how much I love the show, & that I finally read (some of )the books. She told me she started with book 2 or was it 3 as well? Weird! And she only watched the show until part way through season 2, got bored of it! Uhmmmmwhat? She thought Jamie was miscast as well. I think most of us who love all the cast, saw the show first! I think readers love reading more than watching tv. I have decided I must be quite a visual person, because I don’t love reading & having to envision everything on my own. Give me a visual please! I do so much better reading after the fact, then I very much enjoy it.

Thank heavens I watched first before reading. Sam is the only Jamie for me!! I would disown her! I always wonder for book readers if they envision people as they are described or how they wish them to look? No way book Jamie is as good looking as Sam, not that I love Jamie for how he looks of course!

You will laugh but That is exactly what I think!

My dad would have loved it but he passed away 7 years ago. He probably read the books- that man read EVERYTHING. In fact I likely donated them to the book drive when I helped clean up the basement at their house after he passed. There was thousands of books. ( The show had not aired yet, & I only discovered it in 2017). My mom doesn’t love it like I do but she watches it because I love it. She’s been watching on tv since season 4. She lives far away, & so when she comes to visit ( which obviously hasn’t been for over a year), we catch up on the earlier seasons. She still has not seen season 3 ( she could watch it as she has Netflix but I guess she is waiting for me). I now have only 2 friends that have not watched it, even though I’ve nagged them relentlessly. And a few that tried but couldn’t take the violence. No one else is quite as obsessed as me, but they all understand why I love Jamie. This most recent friend ( story above) is a huge reader ( not a big tv person), so I am sure she’ll grab the books next, which will be fun as she enjoys discussion, dissection, critiquing. What did you go on to read?

My one funny story is that my one girlfriend texted me today to say she had a chat with the liquor store whisky expert about getting in Sam’s whisky ( we live in Canada, I don’t think it’s available here), but all she managed was to convince her to watch Outlander! I love my friends “paying it forward”!

I am reading Clanlands because I got it for Christmas, well I am laughing my way through it! Seriously funny. I tried to get The Last Kingdom (book 1) from the library but there is a long wait. I did read one book by The Spanish Princess author but didn’t love her writing ( or the characters). Haven’t seen those shows.Next up is a Kate Quinn book I got awhile ago, The Huntress. Watching Bridgerton, & just finished The Queen’s Gambit. Happy New Year! I am on stay-at-home again because of Covid restrictions, so I should read more...

SassAndSnacks you are so cute! Have you been on a never ending loop of watching & reading?

It is always interesting which parts are most interesting to viewers. I have no interest really in the time travel, so I like that it’s kinda downplayed, & really a plot device for keeping people apart.

I thought I would post this in the episode thread as this episode won a Women’s Image Award in the drama series category. Considering the subject matter was controversial, it was respected/awarded, for artist value & dealing sensitively with that!

Season 2 is depressing, but Diana wrote it that way. I often wonder if for the show they could have left Claire’s return until the end of the season, so it wasn’t quite so gloomy? Don’t get me wrong, epi 1 & 13 are brilliant. You should rewatch epi 206 though with all the lovely moments ( except the last 5/10 mins ). My fave scene in 210- Jamie kissing Claire goodbye & bowing❤️❤️. Yes, I like that episode, so many sweet moments, (even though I didn’t love the whole ship time)- horny Claire annoyed about not sharing a cabin with Jamie, them sneaking below later is all kinds of hot, Fergus reminding Jamie that he loved Claire from the moment he saw her, Jamie & Claire talking about Bree in the moonlight, spitfire Marsali calling Claire a whore- just look at them now! Jamie & Claire are killing it this episode, for the first time since her return.

I've been wondering for years if Claire's parents had time travelled somewhere & left her behind??

Since you've finished reading them all, did you start rewatching from the beginning??? I am rewatching & currently on season 2 as I finally convinced another friend to start! ( She was already pretty upset by the violence, but already loves Jamie so is carrying on). I can't restart reading as I've leant some of my books out to friends.

Without a doubt though, the fact that Frank is infertile is also a must, so that he will indeed stay with Claire when she returns, as it is the only way for him to get a child. Again, Gabaldon did think this well through, Jamie trusts Frank to be as honorable as he would be!

That particular episode(308) is Jamie gold & that scene in particular a great adaptation!

I did not mean she wrote "that" (Jamie being blackmailed into sex) the only way she could, just that a resulting child without a mother, was convenient! For sure he could have bedded Geneva just as he did Mary McNabb, that would of been nicer. The fact that Jamie ties love & sex together is such a sweet notion but rather unrealistic (from our modern views anyway).

My thoughts exactly & this is why we love Jamie!

If Claire had the son, then he would have been raised by another man & had his name as well. The worst scenario is that Jamie had another wife & had kids with her, & she was nice. Diana wrote that the only way she could have.

So many thoughts! I love Jamie with a baby, more than with his grown ups kids. I remember that my hubby was a baby whisperer & it's very sexy. I'd like to see more Jamie with grandbabies (I am talking about the show now, lol). I think in past times, having a son to carry on your name was indeed important, not sure if men care so much about that now? I think that is exactly why Willie didn't get Jamie's name as you said. My son is the only boy in my hubby's family, so if he doesn't have a son this line of the name will end. Was there any other way for Jamie to get a son? He was grabbing them left & right-Fergus & Ian, just to be a dad. I saw so many complaints about Jamie telling Claire about Willie in the show(306), but it was better than the book. Perhaps his timing sucked, but it was his job to do it! And TvJamie knew it! Casting on this show has been so great with the exception of Jamie's biological children looking like him. I was watching a show with" Baby " Sam recently-Islands at War, & his character has parents, & he looks exactly like them. Check it out! Obviously no one that looked remotely like Sam auditioned for those roles as Willie Or Bree.

I am going to agree that I like that Jamie got a son, even if most people hate how he got one! I look forward to reading about their relationship in future books, & I kinda love that John got to raise him ( since it couldn’t be Jamie).

Historical fiction is my favourite too😜. The last one in the Follett series I was mentioning, Column of Fire, is set in the time of Elizabeth & Mary, Queen of Scots, so like Dragonfly in Amber, there is real characters mixed with the fictional ones. Are the Gabaldon ones your favourite books?

Just before I read The Fiery Cross I read The Alice Network by Kate Quinn, & loved it. A friend lent it to me as I had been on a trip to France last summer, & she knew some of the places I had visited were in there! A few years ago I reread Ken Follet's Pillars of the Earth trilogy, in anticipation of a trip to England, where seeing cathedrals, & sheep alleys was fascinating! Another recent favourite was The Book of Negroes by Lawrence Hill.* I think you will see a theme. * My daughter tried to get me to read Pride & Prejudice last summer, but that was a fail, one thing I don't love is books written long ago, in long-ago speak-ugh! Long ago I read romance ( Nicholas Sparks, Danielle Steele), mystery (Mary Higgins Clarke & Janet Evanovich), historical romance (Julie Garwood), & would enjoy the first few but those authors tended to be formulaic. My hubby reads 50 books a year, so sometimes he suggests something if he thinks I will like it! What is your favourite book? genre? Tv show? What a horrible task to watch Jamie be brought to life onscreen (everynight)!

I think you certainly need more testing....watch on!

I like to read (not love, read about 10 books a year), but I find most people so dissapointed by their fave books' onscreen adaptations, that I have learned it's best to read after, instead of before! Back to the talk of characters, I have not ever been in love with a book character, until Jamie Fraser (which came from the show first), this is new territory for me!

Why did you need to read it first?

I always love to hear that a book lover loves Sam’s Jamie!