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Thee are two issues here: Did Weatherly act inappropriately (uh, hell yes) and was she not picked up as a series regular because she complained. Just curious if anyone actually watched her episodes. I did and remember thinking that she was miscast. I like Dushku, but let's be honest, she has one speed: badass rebel. The character was supposed to be playful and flirty but still a force to be reckoned with. The latter she did well, the former not so much. The character didn't work. Forget about the lack of chemistry between her and Weatherly (which has now been explained), her performance was wooden and humorless. The character and the actress didn't work. Fillion and Stanic at the very least had chemistry. They wrote around their intense dislike for each other, which is why they were always being separated for the last two seasons. You can't write around a lack of chemistry. Weatherly won't be fired. He'll get some minor reprimand because he makes the network money. The only people being fired are the ones networks were dying to get rid of in the first place. ETA Read the comments from her episodes on this site. They're almost across the board critical of the character.

"Is that bisque? I freakin' love bisque!" Gallant

The actor who played Duncan was playing The Antichrist on American Horror Story in the weeks leading up to this season's release. Out of all the interviews he did, he mentioned HOC maybe once, only when asked. When he didn't bother posting anything about HOC on Instagram when the season started the way he did for every other show he'd been in, I knew it was going to suck.

Living Biblically would have stood a better chance if they got rid of the wife. Ian Gomez and David Krumholtz were perfectly cast; too. The Real O'Neals was hilarious and poignant so of course ABC gave it the axe so they could air the steaming hot turd known as Living Separately.

That's Jay R. Ferguson aka "that guy from that show." He's been in a few failed sitcoms and has had a ton of guest starring runs on shows like Mad Men. I think they intentionally cast someone who went totally against type to set up the will they/won't they arc. She doesn't, though. Even if she did, the most popular character on this show used to be a shrill loudmouth who bossed everyone around, so I don't get why that would be an issue. In fact, this whole show revolves around strident, outspoken, neurotic women. There isn't one easy going female character in the series I honestly believe she's being seen as "too much" because she's black.

He's dripping wet and his hair looks wet, like he dunked under water. I honestly think there was more to the time travel aspect than we saw. We got more time with Mallory and Anastasia than Mallory and Michael. I wouldn't be surprised if a ton of stuff across the whole season was cut for time.

Why does Michael look like he went underwater the way Mallory did when she went back in time? Billie Lourd said that the finale was going to be a "bathtub showdown." I'm genuinely wondering if they filmed an alternate ending where Michael followed Mallory back in time then switched gears last minute. Mallory was back at Murder House for all of a minute. That whole part was crazy rushed. Where was the Battle Royale we were promised? all we got was Michael standing around smirking and pouting.

Speaking of Easter Eggs... The music playing in the scene where Michael dies is the exact same music played in the scene where David Madson (also played by Cody Fern) dies in ACS Versace. I found Michael's death sad because he didn't understand why he had the impulses he had and that he wanted to be good. When Ben started acting like a father figure and showed interest in him, we saw that his behavior improved. His life could have been different. He was begging for help and Constance - who initially was thrilled to be raising the antichrist because it made her feel important - discarded him the minute the reality didn't match her fantasy of being some kind of Satanic Matriarch. I mean, Tate set a man on fire, raped a woman, and shot up a fucking school and killed 15 people and she still obsessively tried to win his love; but she couldn't muster any compassion for a child desperate to fix his compulsions when she knew all along he was pre-disposed to evil? Then she let him die scared and alone? How is that not evil, too? It's the whole Nature vs. Nurture thing that intrigues me, I guesa. Michael never had a chance. That's what was so tragic about his death.

WAIT. Wait wait WAIT. This was never resolved and it was a huge part of the first 3 episodes. Where was The Sanctuary?????????????????????? Did they just, like, forget about that?

I think you're thinking of Nan, Constance's daughter. She was killed by a hit and run driver and Constance tried to drag her body to the house before she expired so her spirit would stay trapped din the house. I believe that scene might have been included in the Return to Murder House episode when Constance was filling Madison in on how she'd lost all her children.

I have no idea what you were watching, but that never happened.

I don't believe she killed them. she put some kind of paralysis spell on them and lifted it when she left. gallant and Brock were not Mutt and Jeff. Those were four separate characters. I don't understand why Michael was so..sad? Surprised? When Cordelia killed herself. was it what he wanted the satisfaction of killing her?

Yes, but *why* them? And how? We went from Human + Spirit = Antichrist to two humans conceiving the Antichrist with no further explanation. What does having perfect blood got to do with any of it?

"Purple is for royalty, dear. Not middle management." Myrtle

After killing Michael, Mallory stayed in the pre-apocalypse timeline, her memories of all thing post-apocalypse still intact. And to think that if the writers hadn't written themselves into a corner by having Queenie get killed at The Cortez at the end of Hotel, this season could have been so much better. Now we're stuck with this cloud hanging over the series where everyone will be wondering about the other Antichrist. You just know we're going to get another season of this shit, only this time Michael will team up with the coven. I can't figure out if Michael was bullshitting Constance with his "I'm just a kid" routine after he killed the priest. Did he really not know who he was? Because it sounded like he knew he was bullshitting Constance. Ryan Murphy needs to learn that it's okay to create universes where women don't think all men are worthless pieces of shit and where male allies exist and contribute to helping good win over evil and don't die in the end. The writers copped out so many times this season. I saw plenty of viable theories and options for how this season could have played out. Maybe they should start hiring commenters from Reddit to write this show. I still can't get over that Coco existed to belittle Mallory so her powers would be surpressed and Brock existed to stab Mallory. The other reason Murder House and Asylum worked was how tightly the cast was written. Now it's just a fucking potluck surprise dinner where all of Ryan Murphy's friends are invited to join.

8/10 Have to admit, I teared up a bit when Michael was begging Constance to take him to the house. That scene was brutal and unnecessarily graphic. The revisionist history surrounding Constance's sudden repulsion for Michael was weak. She knew who he was. She was positively giddy when she saw that he'd killed the nanny. To erase that ruins the character. Thought they wrapped everything up nicely, for the most part. Still annoyed that they gave Billie Lourd such an important role without building up her character at all. So, Coco was basically an extraneous character with no real purpose other than to give Leslie Grossman a role? Oh, and the Boring Twins giving birth to the new Antichrist? Stupid. Still doesn't explain why they were in The Outpost. Totally unnecessary inclusion of flat characters.

I don't think Coco is The Antichrist, but I do think she's Antichrist-adjacent in some way. She's some kind of agent for the true Antichrist, which I happen to think is the other baby, Michael's twin. Tate insisted he wasn't Michael's father and Ben took to Michael as though Michael were his son. That's because, I think, he was. Yes, I know the other baby died.

Speaking of twists.... Coco's "power" is sensing danger. Yet, when the texts about the bomb come through, she tells everyone to ignore them because they're a mistake. Coco's Cooperative-member father sends her to Miss Robicheaux's even thought Coco has never performed any magic and still hasn't. She begs Mallory - whom she just reamed minutes earlier and called useless - to go on the plane with her saying she'd be lost without her. Then the plane crashes/flies itself to the outpost. Coco conveniently slips out of the poison apple party. Mallory's powers are gone minutes before Michael arrives to kill everyone. Coco isn't a witch and she wants Mallory dead.

I think based on the spoiler, The Sanctuary is Hell.

I'll put tags on this just in case. This was posted on Redditt. So far, most of the spoilers I've seen there have turned out to be true, but who knows/

But the billionaires don't die. Not at first. That's why the outposts are created: so they can survive. The spoilers about the finale are all over redditt. Is there somewhere we can post them/ Can I create a thread for that?

As I understand it, he was originally supposed to be Frank's son. Cody Fern, who plays Duncan, has referred to the Spacey allegations as a nuclear bomb that rocked the entire set and his storyline was reduced. It should have been cut all together. As someone else here said, the guy had maybe 20 minutes of screen time, and most of it was spent skulking around wearing leather and guyliner. As for the rumors, they all knew. Beau Willemon, the creator of the show, was constantly on Twitter talking about how corrupt Trump was and telling everyone to resist, all the while knowing Spacey had been accused of harassment by HOC crew members and they did nothing. I first heard about Spacey's predilictions 20 years ago and I'm a nobody. They all knew and looked the other way. I'm glad the final season sucked ass.

Timothy took an Ancestry.com test which required him to submit his DNA, which then got added to a database. Emily's DNA was identified, I think, because she said she was in jail when they came to get her. I assume they identified her through fingerprints or blood. I think that was nothing more than a call back to Coven. Madison said the same line in Coven and fans loooooved it.

I may not be interpreting your comment correctly, but i believe he *is* heading the Cooperative. In fact, my guess would be that he went from Outpost to Outpost and killed everybody off. Once Langdon had their money, why keep them around? If the point of The Apocalypse was to rid the world of greed, poverty, etc then why would you want billionaires aka the greediest, most unethical people to survive? speaking of which, Coco's dad is obviously part of The Cooperative and he knows his daughter is a witch. How does that come in to play? Are we even sure Coco is a witch? Another question I want answered is where is The Sanctuary? Is it even real?

I don't think Cordelia knows about the impending Apocalypse. I think the vision she had convinced her that the witches were in trouble because she saw Miss Robicheaux's Academy destroyed. At the point she has the vision, she's right. Even Michael at that point didn't know apocalypse. He just wanted to kill off the witches and warlocks so he could have total power. I think she only learns of the Apocalypse in the finale, because of course. I'm tagging this because this info has been all over social media so I think there's truth to it: While I do think Michael will be defeated and killed, I also think there will be a twist of some kind that has Satan winning in the end. They made sure to remind people that the other baby existed by having him cry in Return To Murder House, so I'm really, really REALLY hoping the other baby comes into play somehow. That would be the only twist I would find worthwhile.