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My own husband had 2 strikes against him in this way when we met - Not knowing how to handle anger/frustration in general and never having been in a long term relationship. The only difference is that he had a father as a role model. I had already been in a couple of LTRs before I met him. We got married young, were immature and it took him YEARS to finally understand that I wasn't this crazy demanding shrew, just an average woman that wanted what average women tend to want in their relationships. I used to point this out all the time but he didn't believe me until his life experience and emotional maturity got up to speed years later. It looks to me like Jephte may be more willing to understand this at his age than my husband was, so there's hope there. He has an attractive quality of faithfulness in his attitude that may help get them through. And they seem to genuinely like each other, which goes a long way. Without that my own marriage never would have lasted almost 40 years. I still don't know if I believe they'll last more than a year, though. I'm not sure they have the patience or devotion to each other to wait until the other one grows up.

Grammarians! Sorry, as one I felt it was my duty, lol. ;-)

Ryan said that Jackie fits in his "box" but oh clueless one is too self centered to realize that's only because until this point she's allowed herself to be. The whole point of the exchange with Dr. Pepper was for her to voice her discomfort with that situation but he keeps twisting reality around to suit what he wants despite constant evidence to the contrary. I think she is painfully aware of this but still thinks they can overcome all of that. I'm wondering when she's going to realize that he's not going to change and face that their relationship is ultimately doomed. I think deep down she may fear this herself judging from her overall defeated demeanor. At first I thought Shawniece was being clingy and needy in her reaction to Jephte's solo run through the maze, but I later realized that like the doctor said, it was not about the maze at all but what the maze symbolized about their relationship. When put in that context Jephte was made to see that it was about his lack of relationship communication skills that gives Shawniece the wrong impression that he's not a team with her but still flying solo. I think the puppy was a grand gesture to show her he's on her team and is committed to the relationship. I really hope they make it. I think they both still have trust issues between each other that if not resolved could do in the relationship. I'll keep my fingers crossed but right now I feel like it could last beyond decision day but not necessarily beyond the year.

I don't doubt he's telling the truth that it happened at other times but I confess I would like to hear the details. This video was very short (at least what they showed us was) and I'm not sure what the context was of her calling him "disgusting". Was it was because he was filming her or because he was upset with her for flirting with another guy or both? Or because she just finds him yucky in general? I don't get it. I suppose it doesn't matter, but I am still curious.

Well now the truth comes out. I knew Molly was faker than a 3 dollar bill and now we know for sure. She is a mean bitch on top of a liar. I would like to know what Jon did to deserve her vile treatment. She was caught dead to rights, there was no way for her to lie her way out of it. I feel sorry for Jon that he had to come down to her level in order to "out" her. I think Dr. Jessica might have been admitting that she didn't take Jon's complaints seriously prior to seeing the video. She probably was reserving judgment or remaining skeptical because she was also buying Molly's act. It took Jon showing her the video to convince her that he was for real and Molly was not. I think that's why she came down so hard on Molly - because she felt duped. Dr. Jessica also seemed to criticize Jon for staying in the relationship for as long as he did if he was getting that kind of treatment when the cameras were off. She then told them both not to stay in the relationship "just for the show". I'm not sure I buy that they aren't strongly pushed by the show to stay and keep the game face on to the cameras even if things are rotten when they're turned off. Otherwise a lot of them would back out mid way through and there would be no show. I understand that she's a therapist and is looking out for their best interests, but we all know that the show itself only cares about ratings. So I really don't blame the participants for seeing the 8 weeks through to the end. If anyone should be blamed for staying too long it's Molly as she was the one with the big problem with Jon. I think she stayed because she wanted her 15 minutes of fame to end a little later, plus she didn't want to look like the bad guy in the relationship by ending it so soon. When Heather did that she took a lot of crap from the public and I think Molly was trying to avoid that. But now she looks even worse so her little plan backfired. Couldn't happen to a "nicer" person! I don't know what Dr. Jessica was talking about in the beginning of that segment before she saw the video. She made some comment about Jon not being emotionally mature enough for Molly - I wonder if after seeing the video and having her head turned around 180 degrees she would still say that or whether she would reverse that and say that about Molly instead. I still don't understand what was so wrong with Jon. I don't think he was putting on an act and this stuff about him always joking around looks to me like surface stuff because he's obviously a very thoughtful individual. He doesn't strike me as shallow or covering for being an immature douche. People usually give themselves away in one way or another and he has been remarkably consistent. So I don't buy all of that and this episode only confirms what I've been thinking all along about Jon and Molly.

First you have to take one of the common DNA tests like 23 and Me or Ancestry DNA, then you sign up for this (or you can do both together through DNA Fit): https://www.dnafit.com/us/ Depending on the package you purchase you'll see nutrition reports plus exercise reports. I found out that I can injure myself easily via exercise, which wasn't really an issue when I was young, but it's a big one now and explains why I keep pulling muscles and tendons from exercising! OT but I can't believe this - It's snowing outside my window as I write this. I am so DONE with Winter, it's not even funny!

Her friend Ashley said on "The Skinny" that when both of them were on the same diet the weight fell off of her but not Whitney. Even if Whitney wasn't sneaking food that may actually have happened because not everyone has the same results on the same diet. Through the miracle of DNA testing I recently found out I'm highly carb. sensitive, which means that it's much easier for me to gain weight from eating starchy carbs than the average person. I also think I have gotten more sensitive to carbs. as I've gotten older, especially post menopause. I also found out that I have low sensitivity to fat and saturated fats, meaning that I can eat more of them than the average person and not gain weight. I believe this based on my experience. So a low to moderate carb. diet is best for me, and when I've gone on them the weight has fallen off. But not everyone is the same. I think there are some lucky people that are not sensitive to either carbs. or fats and they have an easier time maintaining a healthy weight. For other people fat is the main issue, and still others have both fat and carb. sensitivity (poor them!). Who knows, Twit may be carb. sensitive and the PCOS is magnifying the tendency just like menopause is magnifying mine. She seems to eat a lot of pizza and pasta, which is probably the worst thing for her from a weight loss perspective. Unfortunately from my own experience doing a lot of exercise actually backfires on me because it makes me carb. hungry, so if I don't resist the urge all that exercise can be cancelled out or completely sabotaged in one meal for me. I'll bet it's similar for her.

I hate to inadvertently post stuff that defends Shitney, but studies have shown that at least half of women diagnosed with PCOS are either thin or underweight. So that leads me to believe there are other factors at work that make some women with PCOS more susceptible to weight gain than others. Also, I don't think it's fair to compare everyone to Jillian Michaels as her entire life is about fitness. Most average people don't have the time or in some cases the ability to spend that much of their lives in a gym. That said (and that's a big "that said"), the average weight gain with PCOS is nowhere near Whitney's level so it is clear to me that her personal eating habits have a big effect on her weight as well. The sad truth is that weight gain can turn into a runaway train. Past a certain point you're either gaining or losing and if you're not taking steps to stem the tide, your weight will continue to climb. That's what I think happened to her. I find it interesting that for the past couple of years she seems to hover around the same size/weight. She seems to go up and down 30-50 lbs., but averages out around the same over time, which tells me that she is actually taking steps to stem the tide in her own way with exercise and eating regular portion sizes, but the problem is that she's not doing enough to LOSE any significant weight and keep it off. I understand that this might be more difficult for someone with PCOS, but it's not impossible, especially for a young person. If she thinks it's hard now just wait until she's my age and menopause sets in! All that has to happen to me to gain 10 lbs. in 3 months is a rough winter and a pulled foot muscle, and that's WITH making serious changes to my eating habits!

It certainly looks like after her success and full schedule she expected Larry to revolve around her life and be her little lap dog and "yes man", which seems to be an uncomfortable role for Larry, but who knows? She may be partially overreacting to having spent most of her life revolving around him and the kids, and now expects a payback. In some ways I want to break out my little violin for Larry, like now that the shoe is on the other foot he bitches that he's not the center of her attention and has to share her with the world. Boo f'n hoo, now you know what a lot of women feel like in a relationship with an alpha man; just suck it up and be supportive. Only on the other hand it does look like she went too far and too "Hollywood" with it so there is that. He may have been OK with it to a point and it does look like she went a little over the top.

I just saw the first episode of the new season. They act like there's "no particular reason" for their separation but then Larry says he felt he got too little attention from her because of her career (which he says he doesn't begrudge her from pursuing), so there's a reason right there. And I think there's more to it they won't reveal like maybe he found a girlfriend so now Theresa also feels rejected.

I had a similar experience with my very first boyfriend. I was very attracted to him but as soon as we kissed his personal scent was overwhelmingly offensive to me and no amount of trying to get beyond it would work. It wasn't BO or anything, just his personal odor up close. I've read that when someone's scent is offensive to you it actually means that you either have very similar or very dissimilar body chemistry and I suppose that's nature's way of making you seek out someone whose chemistry just a little different from yours, but not too similar or too different. Also I've read that women are more attracted to a partner for their scent than men are. Men are more visual. A woman has to like a man's scent or it's game over. We can actually be repulsed by a man just based on scent alone. Men are still motivated by scent but they aren't as particular about the scent as women are. I don't know if I believe that this is what's going on with Jon and Molly. I have my own theories unrelated to scent, but who knows?

I had the same thought. It was clearly done for dramatic effect. I've had the very same thoughts! I thought about that video! I don't believe that Spencer wouldn't do SOMETHING for Oliver and the Ottos in general. He wouldn't have to make them rich but do something nice for them like one or both of those ideas. Contributing to Oliver's future education would have been the obvious choice. I love the idea of it being inside the urn, that would be a Spencer touch, wouldn't it? Another possibility is that he could have put something in one of those videos that gave away some secret that only Oliver would know how to interpret that would be the key to making a fortune. So it wouldn't be Spencer giving him the money but giving him some inside information that Oliver could use to make the money himself. This is so bizarre but one of my husband's billionaire customers (who happens to live in Westport no less) is doing something for his business financially just out of appreciation and the goodness of his heart. Of course it's not in his will and he didn't die but it's an interesting "life imitates art" parallel.

Me too! I never cracked up so much in the theatre! It's the only scene I really remember him in although I know I've seen him here and there over the years.

Very true about the tenant's association but yeah, I doubt this show will ever address the elevator even if there is an association. This from this website:

Oh come on, you all remember Bronson Pinchot from his famous scene in "Beverly Hills Cop":

This happens a lot on this show. One or both go through the motions just to impress everyone that they "gave it their all" and "didn't give up". Something usually reveals them to be lying and the board here usually sees through the BS. I think she doesn't want to say "never" until the 8 weeks are up. She acts as if she's waiting for lightening to strike, which we kind of doubt at this point is realistic even if she was being honest. I agree! The thing is, she's using the wrong application for her eye shape. She has big round widely set eyes so the emphasis should be on making them look less bug-eyed and more cat-eyed. Her lashes should be shorter closest to the nose and gradually lengthened as they go out to the ends. The emphasis should be on thickening over lengthening. The only time her mascara was done right was on her wedding day when I presume someone else did them. Her eyes look more almond and cat-eye shaped in those photos. The way she does them she always looks startled, LOL. I call her type of application the "scary spikey" eye. I once did my eyes that way and took a photo of them. It's creepy! I know! When Jon was talking at one point I wondered how she could hear that and then listen to Ryan's platitudes and think she got the better deal! She acts so la-de-da about Ryan which makes me wonder if she's just not expressing some of her opinions about him publicly or is in deep denial of his douchery. Oh, I know, that one makes me absolutely stabby! The other one I hate is when they say "you guys's" instead of "you guys'" (for the plural possessive). It's already a colloquialism but even worse when they say guyZEZ instead of just guys. Ugh. This.

Thanks for the English lesson, but I already know all that. :) I meant that I heard him use the phrase correctly, such as at the beginning of a sentence where he is part of the subject, like, "Molly and I went to Orlando". None of the other participants on this show have ever used the correct form in that situation. They have always said "Me and xxxxx". I was in a rush to leave when I wrote my post so perhaps I didn't clarify enough. It really grates on my nerves because I am of the older generation that was corrected and slapped upside the head by any adult within a half mile for saying "Me and xxxx went bowling today" or whatever. I still cringe whenever I hear a Millennial say that and half expect some adult arm to come out of a cloud and slap them every time they say it! I know that he and the others have also used "I" when they should have used "me' but I was just surprised that someone FINALLY got SOMETHING right when it comes to the usage of me/I.

I agree. I'm still expecting that the show is messing with us again and all is not as it appears right now. Like why would she chat up a guy when she's with Jon anyway? It just seems so bizarre. Like what is she on the prowl or something? Can't wait until the 8 weeks are up to flirt with anyone that will pay attention to her? Or maybe as someone speculated, she knew this person already. We'll have to wait to find out. I can't say that I blame him for filming it, though. He's human and he's taken a lot without snapping. This actually seems mild to me all things considered.

I agree with those that think Molly thought it would make her sound more adventurous given that she was looking for an adventurous guy. Like that would make the experts find her a guy that would be impressed with that. Did she specifically say she had a threesome with a guy and another woman? I don't remember. Obviously it could have been with 2 men. Don't ask me why I thought this....But truthfully I'm leaning toward that being a fictional story that she passed off as true. Kind of like the 40 year old virgin when he went on about feeling up a woman's breast. Not buying it. I think it was a cover for her being a virgin. The more I think about that possibility the more it would make a lot of things make sense. What I don't get is the puss she has on her face all the time with Jon. You'd almost think she was paired with Ryan the way she treats Jon. It's almost as if he's acting like a complete ass and she's in a constant snit over it. I have seen him do nothing even close to warranting the kind of reaction she has given him. OK, maybe when he made the comment in front of the others about his total rejection, and other similar situations, but she reacts like that all the time with him. I find her very mean spirited. And at this point I kind of doubt he's putting moves on her and not taking no for an answer. He obviously has been keeping himself far away from her physically for a long time. And concerning the possibility of him being "handsy" - he doesn't strike me as the type. He seems to have a good grasp of boundaries. But even if he were a little forward with her, what did she expect? She asked for a guy that was driven and adventurous. Did she expect him to be all those things and a timid follower with regard to sex and romance too? LOL I have had relationships with guys like Jon. I would never expect them to be church mouses if they're laying in bed with me every night. One thing that sells me on Jon is that he's probably the only person on this show that has ever used the form "Molly and I" instead of the incorrect "Me and Molly" (ha, that's a play title). Even Molly said, "Me and Jon" in this episode. He strikes me as being a very intelligent, well rounded individual. I can believe he has an MBA and another Master's degree. The only thing is that his work experience shows him barely lasting a year in each position which does kind of concern me, but it may be one of those generational things too.

Yes it does! Every now and then I see it and buy it for nostalgia's sake. It's owned by the Dr. Pepper/Snapple group.

Ha, me too! I knew the mystery person would be Molly! It had to be her. I just hope we aren't going to get mislead and screwed around with, only to find out it's a big NOTHINGBURGER. Like Dr. Jessica says she is tired of Molly's LIES - then it turns out that she lied that she wasn't a virgin, and the reason she's keeping Jon at arm's length is because of that. It better be juicier than that!

Or maybe her sorority sisters knew that she was challenged in the relationship department and encouraged her to apply since she was unable to find someone or make a go of one herself. She is obviously uptight in general, not just too uptight for the show. She is too uptight for a healthy relationship too! I'm of two minds on this issue. I'm a native NYer that now lives 100 miles north. My husband is a limo. owner/driver and is down in NYC several times a week. I cut my teeth driving in Times Square, which shocks my friends in this area, LOL. I think Ryan is a creature of habit and he is more comfortable driving his own vehicle than renting another one or taking a bus or train, especially if the show paid for gas and parking. I actually feel that driving is not always the least convenient way to get to NY. I think the bus is often worse. It takes forever, longer than driving and is anything but comfortable, but YMMV. I did that once and never again. It's a 4 hour ride from Boston to NYC by car. By bus it would probably be at least 5. And depending on where you live and are staying it might be easier to drive than take the train. It's about 4 hours on the Amtrak Acela from Boston to NY, but then you have to factor in getting to the station, parking at the station and then getting to your hotel from Penn Station, which with luggage would probably involve a cab ride. No matter how I look at it, it's a draw as to which one feels like more of a hassle. For a Bostonian like Ryan, I'm sure he's a road warrior in heavy urban traffic, so he had no problem with driving. Being a limo. driver hubbie has no problem driving there and prefers it, especially if we stay at a hotel with valet parking! Good point about the GoPro. Mr. Yeah No loved that scene between Jephte and Shawniece where he gets frustrated with her slow driving. He said I sound just like Jephte in the car. Hubbie drives too slow. Just sayin'. One more thing - In previous weeks I said Jon would be a better match with Shawniece. Now I think he might actually be a better match with Jackie. Aren't they both in some kind of financial field? Plus she deserves someone better than jackass Ryan and he deserves someone better than Molly.

I went to Vermont, even Danville, where they were this past fall and it's BEAUTIFUL, peaceful and very romantic. There is so much more to do than just a maze plus that suite of theirs had to cost a pretty penny at the height of the foliage season at that hotel. So I definitely don't think they got the short end of the stick. Jephte and Shawniece had to be in Vermont sometime in the middle of October or a little later as it looked like the scenery was from just a tad past the height of the fall foliage season. If you're from the area it's very easy to pinpoint the time of year during foliage season. I think Shawniece and Jephte act the most like a real couple of pretty much any couple I've seen so far on this show and I've been watching since season 1. Their reactions are both genuine and even when they fight they fight like a married couple - mad now but gone in 5 minutes. It's really a pleasure to watch them. They remind me of my husband and I when we were their age! I really hope they work out! I agree with you 100%. I think she blew his behavior on the honeymoon all out of proportion because she is really dysfunctional and was looking for an "out" to sabotage it. That's why she can't let it go. I think the reason Molly went on this show is because she knew she had difficulties with relationships and was hoping that having someone chosen for her would make it easy for her, but she just doesn't have the emotional maturity and depth to be able to make a relationship work even when presented with a really decent guy. She is always on her guard and self conscious in front of the camera like she just can't take the stick out of her ass and let her hair down for 5 minutes. The only time she can do that is when doing something like a roller coaster ride because it's hard to not let oneself go on one of those. But other than stuff like that she's unable to be real to Jon because she's secretly petrified of him and doesn't want him to see the "real" her. If he does he may not like what he sees and if anyone's going to be in control in this relationship, she wants it to be her. So she's putting on a a stiff facade and acting like she's afraid she might let herself out too much and reveal what's really going on inside. I think Jon got a glimpse of what she is really all about which we will find out next week. She may be hiding something big time from him and lying about herself which would explain everything about her behavior. Someone said maybe she's a virgin - she could be and could have lied about the threesome to look cool. Kind of like the 40 year old virgin when he talked about what a woman's breast feels like, LOL. It has also crossed my mind that she might have a touch of Asperger's syndrome, which would explain her strangeness surrounding relationships in general. That woman I knew from high school that I spoke about in last week's thread - I have often wondered that about her too.

Thanks, I should have remembered that, or maybe I'm better off having forgotten it, LOL.

Same thing for me except I was 21 and he was 23. We dragged in furniture off the street, used melon crates for a coffee table! Our commitment has survived 2 separations and couples counseling, and now 40 years later we're stronger than ever because we refused to give up and truly love each other. Something that worthwhile is never that easy!