FireFoxy

During the first seasons of both shows, the final dates and proposals were always at the mansion. I think it changed when Charlie O'Conell picked his finale during a live ATFR and then they started traveling abroad. Here are Trista's FD and proposal. Beware of the baby voice. FD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5ppKb1xY_g Proposal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr8OSyrxPAA

Jef had a famewhory run for a bit but he seems to have really mellowed out. Reality Steve is just bitter his ugly ass can never get half of the women Jef and Arie can. Also, speaking about faves, Tessa from Andy's season will forever be up there. She was another non famewhore who basically disappeared after she broke up with Andy. I actually thought those two would make it since Andy was crazy about her from the start. And I really, really loved the group of guys from Trista and Meredith's seasons. They seemed to have so much fun. Who can forget Ryan M. from Meredith's season? He was hilarious.

I am SCREAAAAMING! Oh the irony of SeanCat airing that out for the world to see. Hilarious. I mean, Catherine basically changed her personality for him so she might as well suck it up now. To be fair, I've always believed they would be the first Bachelor Nation divorce so....

Ed totally cheated. Jillian's nervous rambling after the tabloids came out trying to defend their relationship sealed it for me. Plus I watched her on Periscope a few weeks ago and she was drunkenly cooking with two of her bffs and someone asked her if she talked to Ed and the way she said "NO!" and her friends too basically confirmed my suspicions. Too bad because I truly believe that Reid would've married her. It's strange to me that she obviously wants to get married and her current bf isn't really moving that process along. Oh well. Congrats to the new Mrs. Ed? It's obvious this was an oops baby for Kyptin but I wish them well.

OMG that interview is giving me LIFE! I mean, I can't stand TG or Luke, but that was amazing. Well done sir.

Good F2 - Trista's - Meredith's - Jen's - Ali's - Des' - Emily's

It is. They are really good friends. Excited for DD and what Neal brings to the table.

Watching this is way too painful. I am out until BiP. Kaitlyn is dumb as hell and not even in a fun way to watch. Nick is an idiot for doing this again and Shawn is a low key psycho boyfriend. Oh well. At least I am cackling at everyone on Twitter last night dragging Kaitlyn. The same people who were dragging Britt and shouting for Kaitlyn to be B'ette. Don't they ever learn? Loose canon fan faves always turn into messes during their seasons.

I don't blame them for not doing it more often since you have the Stemily crazies that take anything and make it into a huge thing. Stephen is married and it's so disrespectful to his wife.

I would keep the ponytail over the glasses. The style is hideous and doesn't do justice to EBR. Speaking of, her tweets are adorable. So happy for the Olicity win.

Because they don't want people to remember GH used to be amazing. *sniff* I loved 90s Sonny so much.

Jarret is also super close with EBR and LOVES Olicity. Yay!

I knew Kaitlyn would be a trainwreck and people would turn on her, but wow, I thought they would at least wait until the season ended. I never thought I would see anyone be worse than DeAnna, and yet here we are. Even Jen who was going through the motions manage to have interested conversations with her men. Kaitlyn is dumb, self centered, and truly can't form a coherent though. At this point I think even the guys deserve better, even Shawn who is being a Stage 55 Clinger.

There's always a lot of drinking, that's obvious and very well known. Hell, even Meredith Phillips admitted to basically being drunk 24/7 during her stint as the B'ette and she was still charming, funny, engaging and had great conversations with the men that were on her season. Kaitlyn is not very bright and now that she has the spotlight it is glaringly obvious.

My God, this season is an even bigger mess than I thought. Kaitlyn is so in over her head it isn't funny. How the tides have turned. I knew it would be a matter of time before the audience turned on her. Heh! Shawn is creepy as hell. Everyone giving Nick a hard time but Shawn is a Stage 55 clinger. Psycho. Ben H. for The Bachelor!

In Meredith's defense, she didn't tell Matt she would be honored to get an engagement ring from him she said she would be honored to get an engagement ring from someone like him. I am certain producers were very much at play and in her head. But yeah, it was Ian from day 1. And Matt didn't fare too badly since he met his wife thanks to Lanny and the show. Topic? If Kaitlyn was so worried about the long term effects of sleeping with Nick on camera, maybe she shouldn't have.

Is she for real?!? Damn!

I don't know why I find this season's whole implosion so hilarious but here I am....

Yup! And people were like "OMG! Props to her!" yet are calling Nick a drama queen, stalker and creepy. Rme. I hate how they have made me side with him. Ugh!

Exactly. I understand the premise of the show but if RS is right and she slept with Nick TWICE then I have to side eye her. I am not slut shamming her in any way, but she had already slept with him. Why do it again? And letting him propose? Nagl. People don't like Nick because he was overconfident. He clearly wanted to find a wife and didn't play the dude bro game which pissed people off. Then he called Andi out and it was a rampage. Never mind that if Andi would've been a guy and Nick the girl then everyone would've applauded him for it.

Lol @ RS being wrong. Douche! I was excited for his original spoilers because of the iconic meltdown the RIGHT REASONS~tm viewers would have. I do think it's shitty of Kaitlyn to sleep with Nick, TWICE, knowing well how messed up he was after the whole Andi debacle. Yes, I know he shouldn't have gone back and done this but still, if you are more into the other guy then don't sleep with anyone else. If I am in love with someone I have 0 desire to sleep with anyone else. But yeah, that's just me.

That is really interesting. I wonder what dirt he has on that story because as you pointed out, all these alumni talk. I do remember someone commenting or tweeting about Andi reaching out to Nick after her breakup with Josh. I didn't think much of it at the moment but I do wonder if there was some truth behind it...

Heck, I'm still mad Jax/V never happened! I know, I know, I'm in the minority. I just didn't want Jax to get one of Sonny's leftovers, again.

Jef and Emily were a MESS. She was such a non factor during Brad's season that I was utterly shocked how much fans loved her since she was so plastic and fake. I know Chantal was an emotional mess but I really thought she had a connection with Brad and he would pick her. The BTS gossip during her season was so good. I totally believe she slept with both Jef and Arie even though the show made it seem she sent them off to their rooms just like I totally believe this story.

Of course Chris wanted the fame! I don't understand why people still act shocked and surprised when a former lead reveals him or herself to be a famewhore. I mean, Meredith, Brad, Ashley and Des are basically the exceptions to the rule. Chris was a phony and obviously wanted to be The Bachelor. Every single time a "fan favorite" gets the call most of the public turns on them by the end when they show their true intentions and personality which is basically what happened with Ali, Jake, Emily, etc, etc.