WindofChange

From 5x22 - The team is at Oliver's birthday party talking about what they are going to do while on a break, and Oliver said he was going to get socks because he needs them badly

Because they posted it in the supergirl subreddit lol (hi Maria!)

A lot of them that I've seen don't really think about things like this logically. In a crossover where their faves got married and they got to see their future daughter, a lot of WA fans talked more about Olicity than anything else, thus giving Olicity more buzz. Heck, journos used that to get their articles more clicks. I find it hilarious that the articles more popularized by Westallen fans are articles about Olicity lol So yeah - they don't really think through these things logically.

When it comes to all my dealings with the WA fandom on twitter, there has never been an instance where I wasn't called a racist, white feminist, or trump supporter. It's sad, but true. In the end they only make themselves look foolish, but it's difficult to say anything that doesn't support their agenda without being called one of those 3 things.

Why should a black woman, like Cecile, sacrifice her career as a DA - one she has likely worked hard for - for a white boy she's only known for a few months? The optics of that would be even worse imo considering it's been previously shown that many have sacrificed/lost so many things because of Barry who is supposed to be the hero.

Heh and here I thought comic readers would be okay with them being together because it's comic Canon and that apparently you can't have GA without BC. This is a classic misstep they took with Barry/Iris on the Flash and Oliver/Laurel on Arrow... Ironically they did show why Olicity should be a couple but they're sorta hated by comic purists...

I think to get better fight scenes they'll need to: Take away the dumbass Canary Cries and the T-Spheres - they end up being almost like dues ex machinas (too convenient) Make only 1-2 people go out into the field at a time you don't need 4 people out in the field all the time jfc Not have Bamford direct and actually have him maybe focus on the stunts more because he's become sloppier since he's started directing

You know what I would like? For Flash to have a reboot. Barry/Iris and the current crew can exit stage left and the show then fast forward 10-20 years and focus on Dawn Allen and Oliver/Felicity's kids can be a part of it :p

I actually think unlike Arrow, The Flash can survive a reboot. Barry isn't very likable and with who they cast as Dawn, it's very possible that they can just make the show about her...

You're right, everyone has kept secrets, however, the issue is who was keeping secrets at the time when Oliver found out someone on his own team outed him to the FBI. Diggle kept a secret about his tremor, but that has nothing to do with this situation. Yeah members of the team have kept secrets, but when one person outed Oliver risking his entire life as well as the rest of the team's, then keeping secrets (like Dinah did) can be very dangerous and could lead to false accusations. I don't think Oliver was angry at the team for the secret keeping per se, he was more angry at whoever outed him and he wanted to get to the bottom of who it was. And when his life and the lives of his loved ones was at risk, he took every precaution necessary to find out who betrayed him. On the contrary, I think the writers did well enough for this storyline to cause 7 pages of discussion lol

Well I know you're team Dinah that's kinda obvious lol. But Why should Oliver ask Dinah straight-up when Dinah was one of the suspects? Why is Dinah less of a suspect than Rene/Curtis? Oliver treated the 3 newbies equally in terms of surveillance after Quentin told him someone from the team outed him. But when Oliver found out that Dinah had been keeping secrets of her own and meeting a man who previously tried to kill Oliver behind his back, at that moment why should she think she has the right to be trusted when she knows someone gave Oliver up to Watson?

The blame should've firmly been on Rene for poisoning the well, not Oliver for reacting to a piece of news that could really destroy a lot of what he's built in the past 2 years. So while they did risk their lives every day and had Oliver's back in the field, how could Oliver trust a team when one of them could be the one who betrayed him? He was blind as to who it was which is what led him to keep tabs on them equally so he could get some clarity. And while Diggle did offer a more honorable suggestion, Oliver didn't want to risk that blowing up in his face. Curtis' anger was incredibly hypocritical considering the lengths he went to, to monitor Felicity last year and Dinah's anger towards Oliver for rightfully being suspicious of her because of her meetups with Vigilante was blown out of proportion. I mean... like I said, unless it was stated in canon that Vince knew about Oliver, Dinah gave up valuable information without really thinking... which isn't really any better.

After Evelyn, Oliver has a right to be suspicious of the newbies. He has a right to be angry because this is something that could tear him away from his son, a son who he promised would he'd never leave. Oliver had every right to take every precaution because after Evelyn betrayed him, he didn't want to take any chances. I think that's fair on Oliver's part because this is his life and his family's lives hanging in the balance here. Oliver reacted the way he did because unlike previous seasons, he has something to lose now. Rene essentially poisoned the well. So it made no sense why Dinah/Curtis were more angry at OTA than they were at Rene. The audience definitely found out that the Vigilante knew about Oliver's identity the second we saw he was teamed up with Anatoly/Cayden. But Dinah didn't know this. Unless Vigilante specifically mentioned Oliver's name she had no way of knowing it. So she essentially told Vigilante, not knowing if he knows who GA is, that Oliver is GA. (weirdly worded sentence sorry about that)

Dinah was talking to Vigilante (a guy who tried to kill Oliver last year) behind their backs and used Oliver's name in front of him. Curtis didn't break anyone's trust, no. He was the most reasonable person to be upset for being surveilled, but then again he did turn off his comms in the field and before that put tracking nanites on Felicity last year so he doesn't really have any ground to stand on. It makes no sense why they were upset at Oliver because he was right in suspecting the newbies considering one of them did out Oliver. So their anger is misplaced.

I couldn't place why what the newbies did bothered me so much... Then it hit me that their reaction in this episode is exactly what Laurel Lance's reaction would've been. Instead of facing their mistakes and dealing with it, they threw a tantrum and somehow made it so it was all Oliver's fault. Take 405 as a prime example. Laurel made terrible decision after terrible decision about resurrecting Sara, and when Sara attacked Thea and Oliver confronted Laurel about not telling the team about this, she made it Oliver's fault for not treating her as an equal when she never earned being treated as an equal in the first place. The newbies in 609 showed they couldn't be trusted by OTA and then got pissed when they were surveilled even though there was good reason why they were under surveillance. They demanded that trust even though they broke it and did little to earn it back and then threw a tantrum when OTA didn't give it to them. The newbies are veering dangerously close to Laurel Lance territory in my books which isn't a good thing. The entitlement from them is so off putting

I think the fact that William gets so little to do on the show tells me that he really isn't a substitute for Thea. Also add to the fact that they did fine with balancing olicity and thea/Oliver in season 4 shows me that's not it either. And I don't think marriage changes this much. Their relationship is essentially still very similar they just added the legal aspect to it

I don't mind MG saying Oliver was an Anti-Hero... At least he as well as the audience acknowledge Oliver's faults and shortcomings. What I find more dangerous is The Flash glorifying Barry Allen and calling him a Superhero while not properly addressing his own shortcomings. From what I've seen, Barry is an anti-hero too as he lacks integrity, honesty, honor, and selflessness. But I suppose these are ugly realities that The Flash doesn't want to explore because it's supposed to be a kid's show.

I just love that he said "a group of fans" instead of just "Olicity fans"... To me, personally, it shows that we're just as real fans as someone who reads the comics...

I trust Ken when it comes to spoiling whatever's going on in the episodes, I won't trust him at all about anything that's happening BTS in the CW offices in LA... So I'd take what he says with a massive grain of salt. He may know what's happening in Vancouver, but he most likely doesn't know what's happening in LA and is relying on a lot of "I heard from someone who heard from someone"s

Literally the most annoying thing ever... I'd rather they stop using her pics because of the dumb pout.

I love this source: http://oliverfelicitygifs.tumblr.com/post/168315297294

I have to say - I loved Donna in this episode she made me laugh with this bit: It turns out that Donna in small doses is actually pretty great! source: http://gothsmoak.tumblr.com/post/168313784476

Maybe they're extra sensitive to this subject right now? They don't want any person who poorly words a response about AK to be thought as someone who is 'complicit' so if someone says they are not allies, then they'll jump on it.

Our boy has grown up :') He is a man now.

Love these parallels! Stephen really has perfected the heart eyes when looking at Felicity throughout the years :') Source: http://oliverxfelicity.tumblr.com/post/168310953481/115-317-416-609