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That’s hilarious!! Where did you hear/read this? (Not doubting you, just would love to see for myself).

I think you’re right. KZB gloms onto any other celeb, esp reality celebs, as if they are truly close but I’ve always seen right through that. She’s trying to be noticed and relevant but it doesn’t seem to work. Kim better hope she can rally and find another gig soon because they appear to live waaayyyy beyond their means and her financial world is about to crumble. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving piece of trash either.

That was so disgusting I had to turn my head because I felt the vomit coming on. Served him right tho.

Exactly. I appreciate the stories of the other victims being told, before they’ve been nothing more than footnotes in the GV saga. I don’t think GV would’ve wanted them to be forgotten and the focus be mostly on him. And while no one will ever truly know “why”, I like that we have some reasonable possibilities as to why AC was the way he was and did what he did.

His dance moves were totally Sprokets

Yeah, Fuhrman was probably what cinched it for sure, but IMO even without him, that jury wouldn’t have convicted him anyway. And I have to admit, I get it with the LAPD being corrupt and then hearing Fuhrman. When you had the encounter with OJ, did he laugh it off or was he annoyed? Or did you get any kind of read off him?

There may be a handful of people that actually believe he’s truly innocent, but it seems that for most part, those naysayers don’t even care. The jurors sure as hell didn’t. For those types, it was all about getting even with white people. It had nothing to do with 2 innocent people being butchered to death, that was incidental and completely irrelevant. It was about “righting” some wrongs in their eyes. I wonder how those same people would feel if 12 people used that same thought process if their loved one was murdered.

I hate to use the word “love” because these were real people whose lives mattered and had families that love and miss them, and it’s by no means entertainment . But I “love” this show and am grateful for the chance to get to know these victims, even knowing that there are creative liberties used to tell these stories. These men were just kind of brushed to the side and Versace was the focus before ACS. And I don’t think Versace would’ve wanted that, he wouldn’t want people to not know their stories and only his. The epsidoes of Miglin and Madson were beyond heartbreaking. I was seriously disturbed and cried long after the episode was over and I rarely cry about anything. And it should have that effect. I don’t watch AHS series but as long as Ryan Murphy does the crime series, I’ll always watch.

Her same old aesthetic reminds me of Mike Brady in the Brady Bunch movie...whenever anyone would hire him to design a project (gas station, gym, etc) it was always a replica of their house, which he also designed.

I vote for Far Out West, can call her Fow or Fowwie for a cute little nickname.

Choosing your child’s name is a highly personal and an important task. But I can’t imagine naming mine with the “burden” of the name becoming a “thing”. These people are so far away from reality, they are completely unrelatable in every way. Kris thinks people clamor for their show so they can show how relatable they are and how their family and their problems are no different than us commoners. Pfffft.

Their stupid effing names: Saint, North, Dream, Love (if true, and even if not, it will be cringe worthy). Kourtney named all her kids actual names, she’s the most down to earth of the bunch. I expect Kylie to name hers Baby.

I have a lot of questions too, and I wish it had been a 2 hour with more details on how that ugly monster was able to get away with those cons. Maybe one day Gypsy will provide those answers. The feeding tube - good question. Did she actually use it, like was that her sole nutritional source? Or was it just more for show? Lastly, I hope a few of those thrusts of the knife were on behalf of that ridiculous name she gave her daughter. Gypsy Rose? GMAFB ?

Soooo glad I'm not the only one, I feel bad for appreciating a good con, but i definitely not condone or approve. Thanks for the info, I'll look for that.

Oooh thanks for the info, I'll be looking for that doc. I worry about Gypsy when she gets out. You're exactly right, with that thing as a mother she has almost zero chance at being any different. I guess her dad will be her only hope, and I got the feeling from him that he carries some guilt, he's not about to just freely welcome her into their lives and put up with any bullshit. The stepmother sure won't.

This may sound twisted, but sometimes when I hear of a clever con, that obviously was well thought out and well executed more than anything I could've pulled off, I have a sliver of admiration for the person pulling it. Not that I approve, ever, but just that someone could do something so outlandish and see it through. But then I remember that if they'd put that much effort into a real paying job and bettering themselves in a more acceptable way, they wouldn't have to resort to conning. If that piece of shit DeeDee had worked at a job with the same grit and determination she did at abusing her daughter and conning innocent, hard working people, her sorry ass might still be alive.

She definitely was a prisoner, she said that her mom would make a preemptive strike by telling friends/family or anyone she felt Gypsy might confide in, that Gypsy was going thru a difficult phase and anything she might tell them would just be brushed off. I don't know if it was said that Gypsy went to school but I'm thinking not, her mom wouldn't allow her that much freedom. She didn't want her to have any friends. Gypsy was too afraid or didn't have any clue how to escape her mom. Things that you and I think that should be obvious would never occur to her. Just like when Amy asked her why she just didn't get up from her wheelchair and start walking (to show that DD was a scam), she said nothing like that ever occurred to her. And if she had, it's very likely that she would've wound up back with her mom immediately or eventually and then she would've been at her mercy again and have to endure God knows what. She knew enough to be afraid of her mother but not how to outsmart her. I hope when she ever gets out of prison, that she is able to have some kind of normalcy and happiness. And that she's getting therapy or will once she's able to. I think you're right, I'm no expert on any SSI or anything but since DD was divorced, her income and abilities are the only things to be looked at. The father paid child support, it's not on him to be held accountable for whatever DD managed to scam off the govt.

You seriously need to find another provider. Bronchitis is the worst, and you rarely ever just "shake it off" in a few days. More like weeks and weeks and it definitely requires medication. What an ass. Dee Dee was able to pull it off bc she was a nasty con artist and played it like a pro. Gypsy was never allowed to speak to the doctors, DD did all the talking and her medical records were conviently "lost" in Katrina. But one dr did see thru her bs but the ball got dropped. DD got what she deserved imo. What a vile person.

Damn Shelly needs to have several seats if what McKayla is saying is true. You don't ever threaten a mom, esp a brand new mom, to take away her child. Shelly is not an equal party in Timmy's life. Yes, she has grandparents rights but they do not trump Mckayla's. Unless she proves to be unfit, and we all know that's nowhere as easy as it sounds, Shelly can stfu. Or better yet, make sure her own child grows up to be a better man than he's turning out to be. She can focus on that for awhile. Mckayla may still be a kid herself and has a shit ton of growing up to do, but she doesn't seem to be full of drama Or mean spirited at all. You can totally tell she loves her son and wants to be a good mom and will do right by him. I believe that she meant it when she said she's not trying to punish Shelly or their family for Caelen cheating on her. That would be a hard position for a grown, mature woman to deal with, so she's handling it well. I am not as worried about her like I am Lexus and Lilly.

Shelly needs to know that nothing about Shannon or Shannon & Mckayla's relationship is her business. I'm sure it's hard to not have an opinion, but it's not her place to sit in judgement. Just focus on your grandchild and let them do them. Not defending Shannon, but she's probably embarrassed of her past and carrying a lot of guilt so I can see why she's defensive and doesn't want to be judged by Shelly. They need to grow up as much as their kids do.

I hope Shayden is away long enough for Lexus to get good and over him. I'd say long enough for her to find herself and work on being a good mom and growing up, finishing/continuing her education and getting a job - things that will be best for her and her baby, so she doesn't ever have to rely on a man and bc she doesn't need a man. But I won't say that, bc who am I kidding. Most Teen girls think the world is ending if they don't have a boyfriend. And it's great that Shellie wants to be there for McKayla but she needs to mind her place.

Who knows! They probably figure they got the maximum attention from it already, and the most important part, how it effected Kim only. They'll probably leave the boring details, such as punishment, etc, to the lawyers to deal with.

I hope one day we find out what kind of hold or threat David has on Chris for Chris to be his sugar daddy. And for Nicki to tolerate what she does. Unless she was told from the get-go how it is and will always be and she decided to deal with it as best as she could in her way.

Yeah but if it doesn't get plastered all over social media, did it really happen?

My birthday is Jan 3, so being 9 days after Christmas it was just always a let down. It seemed like the weather was always dismal, cold and rainy, and usually the day school started back. No one ever remembered bc we were focused on having to go back to school. My parents always acknowledged it, but it wasn't ever anything special. And my gifts usually didn't amount to much since they had just had to spend money for Christmas. That doesn't mean that I was abused, neglected or to sound woe is me. It just never was a big deal. So in adulthood, it's not a big deal. So when I hear of an ADULT bemoaning their special day, it sounds silly to me. Like, I had to suck it up as a kid, you can suck it up now. But I'm all for anybody else celebrating their birthday as they see fit, but am also for people keeping it in perspective, and not acting like everybody should take notice and treat it like a rarefied occasion. As for Ashley, her dad having his wedding on her birthday won't be the last time he will let her down. She needs to decide what she can and cannot or will not deal with and adjust her expectations accordingly. Or really, just not have any, that way she won't ever be disappointed again.