Midnight Cheese

I don't understand. Ramona can accuse LuAnn of poor behavior, but the counter-accusation that shuts her up using the same language is not about Ramona's behavior? I find it as credible as anything that Ramona would cross lines herself - she is very susceptible to flattery. I don't think Sonja called anything last season. I believe that the unsubstantiated rumors about Jacques/LuAnn are: open relationship, breakup possibly due to wanting to have a biological family, or not. Sonja flipped out very rudely at Jacques and basically accused him of not loving LuAnn, 'not believing it' and dissolving into self-indulgent tears at a party, so that everyone could then comfort poor Sonja and note that she was upset about her own life. I completely agree that Ramona has consistently dragged stuff on-camera, true or false - it's not like there's ever any proof - to hurt people on the show. It is almost never relevant to whatever conflict Ramona's in at the moment. The Ramona thread has rehashed what she said to Bethenny - it was somthing like 'Ramona, you use the media, too.' 'Bethenny, you have nothign but failed relationships in your wake and your relationship with Jason will fail, too.**' Ramona simply will not treat others with the decency she is treated with. I find it repulsive. ** She was right. But very cruel, and very extra.

Heather was so straight-up nasty to Kristen during the geocaching. Jonathan's name should never have been in Kristen's mouth, but I'm so disappointed that Heather isn't apologizing for 'I'm pretty!'/'crying during rappeling,' the other comments I can't even remember, and her semi-scary alcohol-fueled aggro attitude. She was my solid favorite and now...no. Kristen's got issues. Issue #1 is her dick of a husband. I cringed during their phone call: while I don't think Josh was 'taking Heather's side,' he just is so cold, disconnected from and unkind to her. I don't think it's her or something she causes or elicits. Whoever called Josh the human equivalent of a Lax shirt is right. He seems very bound up in a bizarroland idea of true masculinity. As sexist as this will seem, a real man doesn't scream and screech at his wife about being on a conference call with X people as he does next episode. A real man slows his roll and is not prone to baby shitfits like that. (Same for a real woman). Much love for LuAnn and Carole. I like it when people can go with the flow on the RH trips. They really do have good sides to them, whatever their flaws, and I think are just basically better people than Ramona, Sonja and Aviva in a ton of ways. I think I would have held Ramona's head in a toilet and flushed it several times if she'd pulled the 'I'M THE REAL HOSTESS!' crap on me. Same for Sonja and her endless picking. Sonja cannot host a trip to her nearest subway station: it would involve an implant-flash, a lewd and witless come-on to any schlong that crossed her path and a peek at her vulva if no one took her up on her offer, nothing to drink, and a long meandering aside about her having had butlers for 40 years and how her collaboration with the Nigerian soccer team is going. What I'm trying to say is, shut UP, ho, with your crap about your amazing hostessing skills. Ramona...tempting the editing gods by shading Jonathan, and quite unfairly and even a little cruelly. What she was basically saying was, Jonathan is no man, and even if he is, he's unattractive and meek and boring, in contrast to sun king Mario. Idiot! First off, Mario doesn't light up any room - he oozes into the room and starts eyeing ass, in front of his wife. Second, if Mario is constantly pulling women towards him, it's because he's putting out vibe, and that vibe is not "I am married, and I abhor the idea of cheating." I've known more than one scorching-hot and very much attached man who did not put out that vibe willy-nilly, unlike Mario. Third, Jonathan IS hot! We've seen him be an involved and loving parent, show his athleticism (Spartan run) and a sexual sense of humor (talking threesome promises at Petrossian). I know it isn't going to happen but Ramona would deserve a hell of a lot of questioning about her own marriage/filing for divorce/amazing husband impregnating his mistress at the reunion. Sigh. I'm a little torn about the rodeo fashion and that grumpy-assed man's comment. Yeah, Carole made the "VIP" crack, but I trust she was joking. I think he may have thought the Housewives were mocking the rodeo, and I don't think anyone was. I also thought everyone looked pretty great, excepting Ramona who has lost any styling ability she may have ever had. She's in no way heavy, but she is choosing stuff that makes her look like a barrel. However, I can't hate on the locals for wearing well-worn jeans or cutoffs and boots and casual tees - it's a dirty environment. And I didn't notice a sea of 'old fat hags' or whatever, just a pretty normal crowd, not dressed to the nines. I'm not torn about the rodeo. That horrified me, seeing the way the calves and other animals were tackled. Awful.

Ramona is such a nasty maggot bitch. I fear I would break both hands backhanding her. Love what you wrote, candy moocher. I think having her bullshit and lies and delusions on Front Street is what's getting to Sonja. She has a fantasy that she's a well-heeled important NYC social figure. Not so fast, Sonja.

I'm not disagreeing with you, Mozelle. I don't think it's a big deal that LuAnn said one thing that when it's been thing after thing, or that it made her a hypocritical friend. LuAnn clearly still valued the friendship with Sonja, planned that picnic twosome for them -- but then Sonja pushed it too far with the facialist business. I think Sonja's jealousy produced static, and LuAnn let it go until she couldn't. The joke was really very minor, and friends sometimes say snarky stuff about friends and ultimately regret it. Who knows.

Kristen's planned private dinners, massages, a (failed) geocache hike, skeet shooting, rappeling, and fly-fishing, and next episode has a rodeo visit. If she's been even somewhat involved, she did a lot of planning for this trip, and I don't blame her for being teary and hurt (and buzzed) when everyone but LuAnn and Carole is an asshole to her. Even though Heather has alcohol, kind of, as an excuse, she's a big bitch in the previews. Ramona's a big, presumptuous, complaining snatch, but she always is. Big props to the people pointing out that Sonja has planned ZERO trips during her tenure, just a single fucked-up, no-food, bad-entertainment anniversary party for the Dreschers. Even Aviva hosted! (Miami). She can't even satisfy the RH duties as well as the brand-new Housewives.

Didn't LuAnn only make the one comment? Sonja has been at her again and again and again, and she'd already been a major cooze at the Hamptons, claiming LuAnn married royalty because she wasn't as honest about her feelings as Sonja. That was also in a group setting. So was 'LuMan,' so was 'I only compliment the good in your performances, not the duds!' when LuAnn said merely that Sonja's caburlesque horseshit 'needed polish.' Sonja has been after her again and again, and the flashback to that mortifying Christmas party scene shows she did it last year, too: LuAnn hosted that party, and Sonja got smashed and screamed at Jacques that she 'didn't believe' in either his commitment to Lu or their relationship, and then cried that she just 'didn't want LuAnn to get hurt.' Everyone at that table knew she was projecting her own mess onto Lu/Jacques. And even all of THAT is apart from the pathological sexual competitiveness that Sonja showed in banging the pirate to prove that she was at LuAnn's level in terms of booty calls. The comment about the townhouse was a long time in coming IMO. LuAnn is no saint but I think only a saint would stop herself from pointing out a little reality or making a joke - even a not-nice-one - at Sonja's expense since Sonja has no conscience whatsoever limiting how much shit she shovels onto other people.

Heather's chef wasn't that impressive to me either, but I can't hate on her for hopefully giving well-paid work to someone who has skills she lacks. I can hate on her acting like an obnoxious, dumb mess over everything to do with her Hawaii Five-O guest spot. I also think she has a nerve giving 'have it all!' advice to Lizzie, when the secret to her success is a very wealthy husband. That's how you do it - you pay for an assistant, one or more nannies, a chef, a maid. Then you have time for a fuckton of shopping, plastic surgery and dermatology procedures, and your career guesting on I think 3 TV shows. That fake baby is unbelievably obnoxious - hearing it, looking at it, looking at the pair of over-40 assholes who took this on as a storyline. All of it. Tamra is soulless. "Hey, Vicki! Shanon's husband emailed her wanting a divorce! Don't tell!!" I assume Lizzie does really want a girl, but is mostly talking about babies for the show. She is incredibly overwhelmed. I don't know better but I think I'd be very worried if I had a 4-year old in diapers and who tantrumed as often as her oldest, and I thought something seemed off about the younger boy looking at the smoke alarm and not wanting to reach to it when Christian held him up. Lord forgive me, I'm not trying to criticize her babies, because I also think two children is perfect for so many families - one is, too - and that a woman is not a failure as a mother if she's going through a patch of being overwhelmed and doubting what can be worked out and balanced at home. I stil can't with Vicki...she's just such a pig***. Demonstrating the creaking bed, being so over the top with wanting Shannon to 'relax, relax!!, 'keep drinking, we're on vacation,' 'do you two like spending time together?' -- goodness gracious, she is so fucking exhausting. Picture it - not Sicily, 1937, but just a couple of years ago, if SOMEONE, ANYONE, had decided to ask Vicki those kinds of questions about Donn, or even about Brooks when Brooks was revealed to somehow be banging other (blind? deaf? unable to smell or read gossip blogs?) women. Picture Vicki's reaction! A whiner like Shannon is exhausting, but so is Vicki. And Crooks asking Shannon and David about anything to do with their relationship is hilarious and disgusting to me. Pay your child support, motherfucker. You're not a show fixture, you're not a baller, you're a toofless, jobless, non-parenting fraudster who obviously knows nothing even in theory about committed relationships, so shut it, you pathetic drunk. And he is fake as FUCK, the whole pulling out Icky's chair all the time. Please. Pulling out a chair reads as incredibly false when he's less than a season away from trying to fuck twentysomethings and being unrepentant at the reunion, and 12 hours removed from getting hard when getting a rub-down and trying to cover by grabbing for Icky's hoof. Vicki, there is nothing sexy involved with you and a cigar. Or you and a drink, you and a man, you and insurance, etc. It's not the cigar, it's you. David is attractive. But while she works my nerves I do believe Shannon about some stuff. I believe that people haven't seen his darker moments. I don't think this usually but I have a strong no-evidence feeling that David has cheated, that they worked it out, but that Shannon rightfully feels she can't trust him. She knows better, she seems smart, but she can't control the impulse to pick at him, to punish him in an ongoing way, even though she knows that never works. David seems like someone who doesn't hold onto the past, a pretty surface guy, who does love her and his family. I think Shannon can be ok in her marriage and even happy if she gets therapy to stop picking at him, and works through any past issues. She is not obliged to get over the past but if she wants to stay in her marriage, she doesn't have a choice. Just spitballing here. *** Mu Shu gave me PTSD when she described Crooks and Icky as looking literally like two pigs rotating on a spit when they were rotating their gross selves durign their massages. Too true.

Love this, ghoulina - you may have cracked her code! But let's not ask Ms. Sexy J about her favorite protein source....

The only time Reid Drescher came to life this season was to back up Aviva's ghostwriter claims. I'm not surprised Carole slams him. I know it's bitchy but I love that Carole has her sights on Ramona, Aviva and Sonja in her blogs, particularly the last two wretches. Carole may be a bitch, but let me do my Fred Armisen as Joy Behar here: so what? Who cares? Aviva decided to call Carole's integrity in question in front of the cameras. Sonja decided to prove in her own deluded mind that she is a better catch than Carole and so desireable that Russ fucked her, open relationship or not. Fuck 'em. It's sad for them that they antagonized someone who can put together a few sentences that make sense - or hired the right person to do that for her.

I would love to know if super bidnesswoman Sonja ever got potato ships shitfaced at a blue-blood, white tie event when she was actually married and Mrs. Morgan. Seems pretty likely. I'm trying to imagine her trying to keep up with a Lauder, Astor, Bass, Rockefeller or other scary NYC rich bitch and think inevitably it winds up with Lady Morgan careening out of control verbally, then vomiting and crying to try and get pity after the fact. I bet her second husband did some apologizing for and yelling at his drunk slag of wife more than once during their 'for love!' marriage. I think that Sonja's jealousy of LuAnn is deeper even than their divorce - as Mrs. Morgan, when she was Mrs., Sonja undoubtedly had access to more money and homes. However, an age difference of roughly 33 years is very, very different than an age gap of 15-16 years. It just is; it's the difference between 'sexy older rich man' to a twentysomething woman, and 'retirement plan; let's hope Gramps has a myocardial infarction while I blow him' to a woman in her mid-thirties. Further, whatever happened during their marriages, Lu and her husband were married for longer by several years than Sonja and her twu wuv. Sonja knows she was trying to Anna Nicole her situation. I think she feels resentment that not everyone who landed a somewhat similarly $$$$$ husband had to go to those extremes in age. There's a reason she still tells lies about how long they were together, 'marrying for love,' buying all of those properties before being Mrs. Morgan, 'I was a model (at maybe five-foot-six - for what? Boat shows at the Javits Center?)', 'I could've married royalty but I'm too honest and true to myself.' It's grimy. Like her home.

At least they aren't inviting the gossipers on freaking camera and egging them on. And in terms of LuAnn being gifted with Sonja not going there, no one on this show, ever, has benefited as much as Sonja with the edit and with the discretion others have shown her for years, about fraud, about her own skankrattery with men, about her being married twice and lying about her purchasing properties alone and running her businesses and on and on and on. The editors were very kind to crazy-assed Sonja for cutting her snack-food rant. That shit made less sense than satchels of gold and gummy bears. And she was angrier when saying all of her mess, too. She's been angry and out of control for most of her seasons, too; the flashback with her drunk-screaming at Jacques and not believing in their relationship before sobbing and requiring attention and comfort because she was afraid LuAnn would get hurt...I mean, come on. I agree. It disappoints me, too. I missed it at first but on rewatch I really think Heather didn't want Kristen to go through with it. Kristen may have cried during the Mud Run, but she scaled a wall and Heather couldn't and gave her blog props for it, and she also admitted that she effed up by promising to stick with Kristen and then ditching her. Heather has been unkind specifically to Kristen and I don't think Kristen deserves that. Yes, she whines, but I think Kristen is a very capable person and people miss that she achieves difficult stuff because she talks about her fears and anxieties.

I will always think better of a parent who keeps their kid off of a reality show after an acrimonious divorce and some kind of custody struggle. Sonja is unstable as fuck. I posted the extended fight with LuAnn upthread - I am pretty sure Persnickety did, too - and Sonja is a super angry, irrational, entitled mess. As far as her second ex-husband, well, Sonja tried to mess with her ex's money not in terms of settlement but in terms of her movie-business fraud, and she is fortunate that he keeps old-money silent about things because she could probably come across even worse than she does, since she sings a song of 'single motherhood' and 'no settlement' with no countering verse about 'repeated lying to investors.' I really don't think her constant mention of uncovered private areas with her semi-drunk fish-mouth smile at whatever man is around and needing pixelation are her way of marketing Commando-brand panties. Seriously, her thumbs-upping any product would make me not want it.

Part of Carole's blog this week, about Sonja and LuAnn: http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-6/blogs/carole-radziwill/carole-montana-aint-for-p?page=0,0&cid=related_blog Oh. I remember reading years ago that Sonja got herself divorced because she was in Europe and playing around when her husband had a cancer scare and he called for her to come home, but she didn't. I wonder if any of her playmates were French? I wonder also if Sonja would like this Beauty Industry gossip put on-camera and resuscitated so that any friends and family and strangers who like her or hate her could hear over 3 episodes? I'm sure she would say it was fine. Extended Sonja/LuAnn fight clip. http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-6/videos/extended-fight-luann-vs-sonja I know these shows are always YMMV but I am seriously at a loss as to how anyone can like Sonja Morgan. She is a total delusional asshole.

LuAnn did not write that Sonja had to give up her friendship with Ramona and I don't she implied it. I think LuAnn was just pointing out that those 3 have history before the newer Housewives and there's a huge disparity in respect shown by Sonja to Ramona versus LuAnn. Sonja finally told the truth this episode about why; it's jealousy. LuAnn's blog was poorly written with tons of errors but she didn't get really grimy with Sonja even though Sonja deserves it big time.

Sonja has to purse her lips; those injections could lead to 'blowies,' which could lead to a paid-for dinner date! She's a business woman, mogul, philanthropist, mom, caburlesquer, movie producer, oven-mitt doyenne, toaster-oven impressario...but she thinks value in luxury is a MUST! I didn't pay enough attention to Kristen/Heather when I first watched and really agree with those grossed out by how mean Heather was. What's her damage? I have liked Heather but what the hell was going on there? You all are right, she was awful and passive-aggressive when Kristen was rappeling, was stupidly mean with the 'bawling her eyes out' comment later and 'pretty' nonsense. Really bitchy and actually cruel. Who is the real Heather? I hated that pink shiny dress of doom but Carole, along with LuAnn, was so game and great. I don't think the trip and events are boring at all. Sonja needs to be legally impaired and acting a ho'ish, dignity-free fool to have a good time, and more or less same for Ramona. They're just stupid-assed trash, and I don't value what they value, or think their opinions about anything have merit. If one of those boozy twats told me chocolate cake was delicious I'd have to confirm for myself. Shoegal, not too much. When she told the guy in the 'spotless shoes' by the fridge that she was panty-free yet again while trying to purse her mouth and bat her lashes, I was going to post that Sonja was probably going to reach for the butter and try to seduce him 'Last Tango in Paris' style while Carole toasted a bagel. Hey, Sonja just wants to be around people that value her for her! And value the 'anyone can get in' access that Sonja offers to her rectum.

Ramona was so horrible to LuAnn about Sonja's treatment of her and their friendship. "Jealous?!" Uh, no. LuAnn didn't seem jealous, just tired of getting shat on by such a nasty tool. Kristen will look back at her support of Sonja and insensitivity to LuAnn with regret. Sonja was happy to say Kristen wasn't a hostess and to call Kristen an instigator. Much like Sonja by definition, Kristen backed the wrong horse. Sonja is a con: read over the details of her fraud. She's a liar and a charlatan. Aviva and Ramona's nastiness is right there at the start. I really dislike Sonja because her entire personality and life is structured by her to hide how nasty and abusive she is. She is terrible. I would never have had the guts to rappel. I get why Kristen cried, but I think she was extra and put a little more on Heather than she needed, even if Heather should have shut her trap when Kristen was trying to have some courage when she started making her way down, and not expressed such shock in her TH that Kristen was even attempting it. It seemed terrifying. Anyway, those 3 are in crazy effing shape. LuAnn's look in particular was just spot on. ETA - psychnurse, your'e right; I forgot about that part of the cowboy's comment. I believe Carole more than I believe Aviva, her lackey, Ramona and Sonja about this. Before all of the comments were pulled, the most cutting remarks were on Sonja's blog in terms of just reacting to how unreadable and irrational the content was, and how out of control she's been at different points of the season. But there were fans in there, too. Ramona had supporters, even after the wineglass bullshit. Aviva's comments were obviously goosed - multiple first name-dot-last name accounts, all in support - and those were the only positive comments. That seems to reflect how much of a negative non-entity Aviva is on this franchise in terms of other feedback on blogs on other sites. Carole had plenty of negative comments on her blogs, and Carole's were much longer and better-written than those by R, S and A. Ramona, Sonja and Aviva all have a really hard time dealing with reality and any non-ass-kissing feedback so of course they say bad feedback for them must be fake.

LuAnn is finally done with Gonzo-lookalike (hey! I just found a way for her to make money without being on her knees!) Sonja Morgan, and Sonja wastes her own blog lying, including the priceless phrase, "my reputation precedes me;" that it does. She again delights in repeating the gossip in the blog, saying LuAnn is taller than Jacques, and on and on. She is a bitch. This episode finally made totally clear that Sonja is hating on LuAnn because LuAnn did not destroy her own life after divorce, and Sonja did. She's a dirty, pathetic, mean-spirited lying liar and harasser. Not surprising that she's dead to her ex and that Harry apparently jumps into a cab with LuAnn towards the end of the season instead of always-second-choice Sonja. Who wouldn't? Sonja's delusions: http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-6/blogs/sonja-morgan/i-dont-have-to-prove-my-loyalty-to- Luann's disgusted response to the episode: http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-6/blogs/luann-de-lesseps/luann-im-done-with-sonja

Why oh why is everyone courting vile Tamra? Why in the hell are people afraid of her? Tamra's a chickenshit liar and she is visibly afraid of being called out for the evil twat that she is. She's cunning but she's not really smart, and she's such a terrible friend. Gah! I want to spray this post with exclamation points. Shannon, get it together for fuck's sake! Even with serious marital problems, you are in a better position intellectually, financially, emotionally and even maritally than Tamra, who is fighting with her kid on social media, fighting with her ex on social media, and is newly married to a man who has NEVER evinced ANY attraction for her or interest in her. Count your blessings and get yourself a real fucking therapist, and start volunteering with an underserved population to get your fucking head straight, Shannon! Then, slap the shit out of Tamra for playing runtelldat with someone you can't stand, and who can't stand you. Handle your business! She's so frustrating because I don't think Shannon is an idiot or a bad person in the way Tamra and Vicki are. She has intelligence, time, wealth, and a desire to improve herself on some level, she could work to fix her problems. She's very stuck, though, and lashing out in ways that can't help her. Tamra lies while she lies. She acted like Heather brow-beat her into talking about Shannon's secrets. No, that's not what went down, at least in terms of what we've seen. She really does look like that walking sack of depression she calls mom with those wretched bangs, doesn't she? They age her directly into her mother. How long did her mom's facelift improve her appearance, like a month? Vicki and Brooks do not have actual chemistry. Two slack-faced idiotic overfed always-drunk pigs, nothing more. He's in there for the paycheck, and he is earning every fucking penny with Big Miss Pink Parts. Vicki is boring but still a bitch -- TH'ing about how Shannon's marital problems would go away with a little 'kiss kiss, a little tongue.' Why, what happened with her marriage, then, Señora Love Tank? Do you think she would hav been okay with people saying that about her and Donn? I'm sure she would've taken that very well, since Vicki has all of the answers! And I'm sick of her mallrat wardrobe and shrieking to seem 'girlish.' Vicki, you are no girl. You're a needy meat-puppet attention slore. And that moving trip back in time really worked for me, since I confirmed Vicki was one fugly, FUGLY 23 year old, which explains why she is such a porcine nightmare today. I'm going to hell, don't care. And as far as don't care, neither does Brooks. Look at his bologna-like face when Vicki is having her memories about Brianna and Michael. The man does not give a shit. I would want her to get a clue, but I don't. Reap what you sow, you sow. Enjoy your man getting wood when a probably underpaid masseuse is having to put hands on his jiggling back fat and then claiming that touching your dainty hoof is making him hard. Romantic and believable! And full of dignity; everyone wants to see her lover get an erection in front of a camera crew because a woman with actual talent has laid hands on him because she had to. This is exactly what Vicki deserves. And shut the fuck up about feeling a connection to Mexico with your 'no scratchy the woody' history. Her connection is to having a condo that was probably paid for entirely by her dad, and having the Bravo cash to force others to massage her lumpen carcass. It's not a connection to the people of Puerto Vallarta, to Mexican culture, or to anyting real. I don't mind Lizzie at all. She was absolutely correct that Shannon needed to haul ass to Tamra (and hopefully haul something heavy across Tamra's face). I appreciate someone intelligent and well-spoken on this franchise. She wasn't flying her Yay Heather flag in her TH, either. I don't forgive the stupid about how to conceive a girl though. I'm sick of all of the sexist shit on this stupid show. Shannon has some serious scratch - you can tell by the wardrobe. She was wearing long earrings that I think were Van Cleef and Arpels (I lust after them) that I'm guessing were thousands and thousands. And she's worn them before. She seems to buy the best stuff she can. I wonder if Chanel-obsessed Heather feels aggro towards Shannon about that. Heather and Terry are on some level a match made in hell. The point of any partnership is to find that yin and yang thing. He really seems to thrive in trying to bring out the worst in her. Seeing him grin and watch Heather and Shannon argue was just gross.

What a lovely sentiment, that in a marriage, the partner earning less is a 'stupid' addition to the deed of the property they share and where they raise their daughter. Of course I'm using the language of 'they' and 'their,' instead of the approved Saint Bethenny language of (all) 'hers.'

I just watched this OnDemand - it took my cable provider extra days to put up the episode. Bad sign? I love watching these kinds of trips, and love that the NY housewives at least are interested (well, not Ramona, Aviva and probably Sonja) are interested in having active vacations and doing other things beyond boutique shopping and hardcore drinking. I loved seeing the Berkshires, Saratoga and now Montana. I would probably not do the ranching activities but fly-fishing, hiking, seeing big-sky country and having relaxed dinners sounds amazing. Sonja is a nasty, nasty hooker. Again having her crotch pixellated - even if she's got some coverage, no one needs to have that wagged in their faces all of the time. The fears about the horse: when Sonja was thrown, she was merrily calling Kelly lots of names and chatting up her superiority with horses, and got her ass dumped almost immediately and tried to act like Kelly was in the wrong for being concerned about Sonja getting kicked off. She was very nasty and fake in that scene IMO, all due to her wounded pride. Pride, fronting and lying seem to be real issues for Sonja. I don't think she's a sweet-natured flibbertigibbet. The stuff about the facialist was truly repulsive. Carole's blog for the last episode was blistering, calling Sonja out for making her 'dingbat face' while Satako gossiped instead of correcting her, and saying that if there were any truth to a Russ/Sonja hookup, it would be telling about Sonja's character and not of her own. So in this episode, Sonja - perhaps because she's less hungover - finally acknowledges that the rumor is false. But she again claims that she was powerless against Satako's gossip and didn't want to give it life in terms of the crap about LuAnn - even though Sonja and Sonja alone invited the facialist on-camera and, I have no doubt, fed her those rumors. Sonja doesn't just stop there, though - she claims it's a part of the character of those who provide beauty services to spoiled slores like herself to gossip, however inaccurately and viciously, and that it's been the way of the world for 'hundreds of years!' She is a trashy, chicken-shit pig. She seriously deserves all of the 'bad luck' she is having, because it's not luck - it's the chickens of her bad character finally coming home to roost.

If we use the Scale of Pure Trash, where worth is from Jane Goodall (worst) to anything Kardashian (best), then this valuation makes sense. So Jason would've been a bad-ass, worthy of the great Bethenny Frankel, if in his past he also had a string of tabloid-loving famewhores before his wife? He is lame because no one has come out to Page Six about dating him years ago? I have non-profit directors as girlfriends and Broadway composers as male friends, and they aren't married, and I am, and we're all around Bethenny's age and have been in NYC for 10+ years to decades. They aren't anything other than awesome because they haven't gotten ringed up. No matter what anyone says, that is not unusual for professionals in NYC. It just isn't. It's ridiculous to decide that someone waiting to marry or never marrying deserves to be looked at suspiciously...forever! Or to assume they are planning some super-spy kind of campaign to marry a rich dude or broad, and use their never-married status as 'evidence' of their bad character.

^ I agree with that, it's repellant that the Giudices are on this show and I'm personally out; I stopped watching midway through last season since it just felt too dark for me. I felt the same way about Atlanta when Apollo's crimes were first reported but watched the whole season, since for me Atlanta is the best franchise of this show.

Apollo Nida is on a whole different level to me than Teresa and possibly even Joe: he was involved in federal racketeering and interstate car theft, received a very stiff sentence, and had the opportunity that virtually no one gets to go clean after serving a portion of his sentence; his wife could support him, especially with the RHOATL money. Apollo had a wonderful chance to contribute as a personal trainer/exercise video personality. Instead, within probably months of his release, with a newborn and later, a pregnant wife and toddler, he possibly cooked up and certainly directed a scheme where he stole from retirees and pensioners, grabbing government checks and having a lackey 'right-hand bitch' do some of the gruntiest grunt work. To me, the comparable Giudice crime is one they're not even on the hook for: not maintaining the low-income housing they rented out, where someone was injured and I believe paralyzed on the property. They - particularly Joe if Teresa wasn't a co-owner - should rot in hell for that. But otherwise Nida is a whole level or two up for me, and seemed proud and defiant at the Atlanta reunion. The Giudices at least seem to have some sense of shame. Not slow-clapping for them but I think there are differences.

Jesus H. Christ.

Reads like Bethenny victim-spin to me. The facts, again, are completely and utterly unknown. More specifically, zero proof of any kind about 'illegal' actions as found by a judge. "Reportedly." The stuff that comes closer to certain are verbatim reports of what Bethenny claimed on the stand - which was never subject to cross-examination. Everything else can be tagged by some people as fact and proof that Jason must have done X, Y, Z because Bethenny said so or maybe leaked so to a friendly media outlet. But there are no facts. There is no proof. None.