Midnight Cheese

And there you have it. All Aviva had to do was insist in her unhinged way that a lie was truth and people believe it. Something that best we know was never rumored or hinted at about Carole becomes factual. People believe it. Carole has to leave the show (she would have to leave to sue Aviva if the contracts absolutely preclude HW-on-HW suits), leave whatever steady amount of money per season comes with the territory to take on a bitch with money she never earned about her crazypants claim. Carole quoted a conversation she had with Sue Mengers when she was deciding on whether to do RHONY and said Mengers replied, 'You're a single girl with bills, who are you to turn down work?' But now she's obliged to sully herself over a rumor that never existed on any real, Googlable (I'm using that as a word, yessir) scale and press a suit that Aviva can defend with Dirty Daddy and Reid's scratch. And she should do it now, on the 15th anniversary of Anthony/Carolyn/JFK's deaths, instead of seeing if the development deal goes somewhere or working on a new book or just living her life and dealing with the memorials that are probably happening right now, because somehow litigation isn't a relentless mind-consuming ass-ache even if you're totally in the right. Carole can't win. Ignoring Aviva is somehow admitting that Aviva's probable lie is true. Going all-in on Aviva is somehow falling into Aviva's clever trap and giving her attention, and means Carole should leave the show because she can't both write and be a Housewife. I hate what Aviva did so much. I hate to see people try to completely destroy someone else for any reason, let alone for petty bullshit reasons. She IS nothing and it has nothing to do with her SAHM status or having had children or anything else. There's no there there besides viciousness and spoiled-bitch behavior.

I didn't give Carole a halo, ryebread. Certainly Carole has shown herself from time to time as self-absorbed, snarky and even mean-spirited and back-biting. But yeah, she's not yet DEFCON-5, whereas Aviva's gone past DEFCON-1. The leg throw was like 17 levels past the Cuban Missile Crisis. Milsaps has seen her share of crazy and even she was like '...holy shit.'

It's just not true that Carole relentlessly gave Aviva the attention she's pathetically desperate for: she did **not** spend an enormous amount of time discussing the black hole that is Aviva. The person who most vigorously resuscitated things was Saint Ramona, squawking about leaving the dinner table in Montana to telephone Avivile and talk a little asthma. That is true, that is what was shown, and the contrary assertion is patently false. I mean, before Aviva threw her leg, you had Carole and Heather fleeing the table. They don't want to be around her. They are fucking OVER her. I think it's surreal, like clocks-melting surreal, to dance around the huge difference between Aviva's behavior and Carole's. Aviva has continuously spewed the most venomous lies she could think of at the one person she seemed unnaturally attracted to and attached to last season. She arrived on their freshman season with her mouth planted to Carole's tiny ass, wanted to dive into Carole's story at a fucking party. And how was it illegitimate for Carole to have written about her life and loves this year when it wasn't last year? And what's the problem: the lie about ghosting, or Carole's temerity for writing about her life? Aviva wanted this near-stranger to be a godparent to her child. But because Carole and Heather and Aviva had a mutual cooling-off after the last season, after it was all digested, after time passed, because Aviva decided to not say a word about Carole's new book coming out (shades of Sonja not supporting LuAnn, but I guess since LuAnn is Attila the Housewife every disgusting distortion against her is awesome and somehow factual), because Aviva had Carole vet a ghost and then lied about it -- now we have formerly relatively private people outed in this Buzzfeed interview, we have Aviva claiming in what I hope is her last Bravo blog ever that Carole told her that she **never** loved anyone, ever, we have Aviva making a BS claim about a settled question of American literature, we have Aviva making the absurd claim that Lee Radziwill, the Kennedys, and others in that family must be angry at Carole for telling a story that she lived yet somehow wasn't hers. Maybe Aviva can cut off Carole's face and wear it when Carole next vacays with Lee. That's where she's coming from. Look at Aviva after throwing her leg. Look at her demeanor. It's as if she wanted Carole and Heather to still be besties with her after all that disrespectful, horrifying, manipulative bullshit. Like Carole said, all Housewife fights aren't the same. This is Aviva trying to destroy a coworkers current career for what is fundamentally no fucking reason, and IMO it is an actual lie to pretend that that is not what's occurred. This is Aviva trying affirmatively to damage the interest that still exists for 'What Remains' by claiming that Carole did not love her family of origin, or Carolyn and JFK Jr., or her husband. This is Aviva proudly stating who at Simon & Schuster gossiped with her, when there is no sense that I'm aware of that this person wanted her to be outed. And for what? For being asked if she hired the person she asked Carole to vet. It can be spun in any fucking way but that is the fundamental thing that Aviva seized on. It certainly seems to me that Aviva is demonstrating that the opposite of love or obsession is total hatred. Because Carole wouldn't love Aviva the way she did Heather, Aviva had cause to try and destroy her. How fucking scary is that? The insinuation that Jonathan must be a pussy - let's just call it what it is - because he must somehow, based on no evidence, be low-earning, is gross. (But at least we found his mysterious title!) There's no bigger pussy than a man who fucks around because he can't confront the issues in his own marriage, and then forces his spouse's hand by humiliating her deliberately.

Absolutely. Aviva is now top of the food chain, if the top represents the worst human beings ever on this show. She has made every possible move she could have conceived of to ruin Carole's career, and has dragneted in ghostwriters, editors and others, publicly, into this insanity. Those people were not public figures in the RH manner - and in terms of public figures, while she pretends to know that the TKAM rumor has been debunked in the Buzzfeed interview, she still thought it was a good move to denigrate Harper Lee. It's disgusting. All of it. Carole was right; Aviva has no soul. And it's not an interesting soulessness, and I don't think it's the result of a treatable illness. It's a total deficit of character and decency, taking acting like a spoiled, worthless asshole out to its outermost limits.

Lynn the blogger - RIP - was completely insane IMO. I'm posting that in case anyone else has felt uncomfortable expressing that - let me be the devil on your shoulder. Even Silex distanced themselves from her. I wish she hadn't fallen ill and died. I'm still writing that Lynn was absolutely crazy and had zero perspective about separating what happened IRL from TV/online stuff. Alex is just too try-hard for me. She was a little meeker than some of the other Hos, but I don't think she was nice. She was super pretentious (Met Opera, 'suburbs, ugh!' face, 'would you like Francois to recite the numbers backwards or forwards?' 'oh, everyone else looks like a tourist in Morocco' when she looked like she was ripe for a pickpocketing.) She was thirsty to get involved in other people's business. She was clueless: her other (better?) half is now full-time obsessed with all things Bravo, 'BravoRatings,' Alex with her painful, tic-y, nervous vlogs - but then, she was super happy to do some of Bethenny's dirty work, and Bethenny ditched her as fast as her skinnygirl legs would carry her. (After Silex and Ramona/Mario went to her wedding - Bethenny had no family and very few friends and needed to fluff up that guest list to have it seem less embarrassing). It's like Alex couldn't see any of the writing on the wall, ever, despite probably being more intelligent and observant than anyone else on the show at the time, including Bethenny. Somewhat mysterious until you factor in her thirsty social-climbing tendencies, then the blinders make sense. The modeling stuff: oy.

Oh, snap! Does your husband also star on RHONY, have people all over the interwebs speculating that he has Graves' Disease or the like in order to shore up his claims that he's not had surgery?

Sonja looks good but she's gone full trout-pout. I find the ex Mrs. Morgan (...oh and ex Mrs. Other Dude she married first, but she's gotta pretend she found twu wuv with the Monopoly Man to continue her charade, pronounced 'cher-rade-duh,' as you do in St. Tropez when wearing your South of France g-strings) contemptible so I hope she goes full Lisa Rinna with that mouth. 'As you can see by my lips, I was an amazing restaurant hostess....' I guess she's lucky there's no way the trustee can sell the Restalyne and Juvaderm in her face, so keep on keeping on, sexy J! No one has said this. At all. On stage, or here. Or insinuated it. Or built a post on it. Ramona's **own behavior** and cruelty to castmates is what's come home to roost. The fact that her husband rather obviously despises her is incidental. Ramona clarified on Wendy Williams that she does not have a medical condition of any kind: she claimed it was trouble with her contacts. Let me translate that for sane human beings: she got an eye job. I won't weep for the woman who talked loudly and nastily about Kelly's implants at an event. I just think it should be spelled Krazy Eyez, and that you get the best effect when the soused lunatic has a bang-roller in.

Did Ramona make a statement to Facebook or elsewhere when she first filed? Because part of me thinks they may still reconcile, but I also agree with copacabana upthread that sleeping with his mistress in their home and taking her out, along with being photographed with the other woman during the time period when the reunion aired and he MUST have known Ramona was going to answer nothing, shows an incredible level of contempt. I wonder how long that kind of stuff has been going on, and I do think it predated the show by a lot. He has always been eye-rollingly impatient with her. Seeing that in couples - all y'all know exactly what I'm talking about, and it tends to get exaggerated when people drink - makes my blood run cold. Ramona looked the best she's ever looked on her last WWHL appearance and during this reunion, to me. I don't think she'll have a good, successful time dating, and it's not because of her appearance or her age.

I completely disagree (surprise!) that "Heather...came guns a blazing." You're presenting seniority as some kind of right to be a bitch to other cast members more than a right to $$$$ (I did reference promotions, though not in the RH context), and I think you're moving the goalposts. Further, I'm not certain that the sanctity of one's home is a fundamental right to be protected from being confronted about many prior bad acts, either.

I really object to this. No one owns the show. No one. No one forces Ramona to be a cooze to other women. No one. Seniority is a basis for nothing excepting perhaps promotion in certain government or union projected jobs. It's not conceptually applicable to this at all. Ramona's consistent choice to be a snide, whack bitch to other people and to try and demean their spouses is all on her. The fact that she's been on the show longer is totally immaterial. So now Ramona's filing (...again), after Mario/Kasey were shown together (....again). Is it the betrayal, or that the betrayal is (....again) public? I know what I think: that Mario has cheated since, probably, Avery was a toddler, and she looked the other way until she managed to fuck someone as batshit as she. Divorce is really painful and awful. But I'm fine with shrugging my shoulders: I know she'll be treated much more kindly than Ramona has treated those around her.

Everything's been covered, awesomely, so I'm just commenting on the petty (pettier) stuff. - I thought Shannon's breasts looked fine in that dress, and that she can certainly already rock a bikini. I think she looks amazing, especially for a woman who does no exercise. Her legs alone show she's hit a genetic lottery. I don't think she's sun-worshipped and that probably helps a lot. - Vicki looks sloppy to me all of the time. Bob, no bob. She literally looks like there's a mask of skin that she's wearing as a trophy over her own malformed face. (You're welcome for the nightmares!) She is a horking, screaming (SOMEONE PLEASE PUNCH HER UNCONSCIOUS PRETTY PLEASE I'LL BE GOOD ALL YEAR) trashbag and I do hope that waitstaff the world over spit and worse into her food. That shit over 'mousse/moose' and 'retching' in the van was too much. She's under that particular Housewifey delusion that owning Jimmy Choos makes her (a) special, (b) klassy, © look thinner (<-- nope!) and (d) richer. She is hella low-rent, which is not my way of saying 'po. You can be 'po as hell and look great, seem intelligent and be open and receptive to the world - Heather's bitchiness and relentless competitiveness is relieved only via extreme sleep deprivation. However. She has a killer wardrobe. However, part 2: you can see the competition with Shannon in small ways: last epi (when she and Trashra were planning Bali), Miss Heather had on her Van Cleef earrings and necklace. Just like Shannon, who clearly wears hers often and like something like a signature. I've never seen Miss Heather in her expensive Alhambra set (who is jealous? I am jealous, of both women) until after she saw Shannon in hers again and again. And guess what? Heather's look larger. Still...I just loved her white tank/black maxi/black irregular necklace, and her black/white semi-chevron tanksuit was also great. I really do think that Heather spends an extraordinary amount of time not donating to rescues, or parenting, frankly, but shopping, alone and with a stylist. (I'm sure Heather would explain to me, very slowly, that she is basically creating a small economy around herself every time some object catches her eye, and won't I stop yelling at her??) - Tamra doesn't look like a woman who runs a fitness studio and her taste in clothing, swimwear, jewelry etc. is atrocious. Cheap ho. It looks cheaper to have more stuff in more variety than just a nicer, well-cut plain black swimsuit, Trampra. Give it a shot and please don't sell your rank chonies on eBay afterwards. Tick-tock 'til next week! I will be eating chocolate and DVR'ing this one. Oh, and TrampStampFakeFacedGrandmama? If you want someone, anyone, to believe your retelling the Marry/Fuck/Kill story, please don't add quite so many dramatic pauses, you straw-haired fucking liar! And absolutely, we know Eddie would kill Vicki. As would we all. I don't want to catch trichinosis of the genitals by daring shag a screaming insurance sow, and if I feel that way, I know Teefs screamed 'kill! Kill!' when Vicki's name was mentioned. - Lizzie may have a touch of the batshit, and I feel terrible for Christian, but I don't need my dragon-slayers to be pristine. Was she messy with those texts? You betcha! Do I care? No! Bring on the Screaming Vile Bitch Granny (...not you, Vicki. Tamra) next episode, please and thank you! - If Bravo keeps George on RHONY for the yuks, I know this would fall on deaf ears, but my biggest wish for these shows is that they would not have events based around animal entertainment on any of their forced vacations. The corrida last season, the elephants this season, and the rodeo on RHONY were all upsetting IMO.

If you sort the Radar comments by 'Best' (most upvoted), at #1: "Karma is a bitch." I guess a lot of us have a problem with 'integrity,' should that word be defined for some reason to mean that Ramona and similar sociopaths who draw first blood and attack people for no fucking reason again and again should receive nothing in return but maybe silence - that that is the only way to show integrity or dignity. Me, I like the idea posted upthread that true integrity and dignity can be found most often in sticking up for yourself, pointing out hypocrisy and not otherwise permitting yourself to be mistreated and abused. (I do see the wisdom in Carole 'Co-Opting 'Writer Girl' since summer 2014' Radziwill twisting Aviva's non-burn burn back on her. Well played, Carole.)

^^ Especially the police officer who went to their Hamptons home when the white wine biznatch called to try and get Mario thrown out. Oh, and the scads of people that saw Mario taking Kasey out alllll last summer, all over the Hamptons. But somehow exact same confirmation - no, MORE confirmation - is damning for LuAnn, but Ramona is smart in saying alleged. Nope. I hope she enjoys trying to smell other women on him through those surgically yanked nostrils for the rest of her life. It's just much more eccentric when this desperate laser-plumped bitch acts out violently, didn't you know? Just Ramona being Ramona! Let's all sit back and enjoy Aviva's dipping into urban patois next episode to make her 'point.' (Did you know Heather's diction is strictly used in the 'ghetto'? I did not! Should be teddibly educational!) ^^^ The tense is the entire damned point with Sonja. It makes it a lie. It's why the 'buy me a cocktail, get some anal, tell me I'm better than all other women!!' Afghan Hound looked surprised and miffed when the couch of less crazy pointed it out. She realizes they don't want to play her reindeer games anymore.

The screeching Vincent Pastore lookalike, Migrainia, is horrible. Rude, nasty, selfish, grabby, mean. I can't stand that kid, never could, and know I am on the express train to hell. Amber's husband is disturbingly creepy and a pathological liar. They are a perfect match! I can't stand Desperate To Be Mrs. First Responder. Trash taste, no personal style, had the nerve to say she wouldn't judge Teresa G. on her intelligence or lack therof, when there is nothing to show anything like a brain rattling around in her giant frozen noggin. She ain't got no alibi, has no charisma, she and her dopey twin were desperate to get on this show years too late, she's uneducated, has no significant accomplishments - where does this fucking attitude come from?

Yeah, ITA - and that particular rumor (that Lee wrote most of ICB) makes much more sense than the one about Lee's own novel. Ralph Ellison 'only' wrote and controlled the final version of 'Invisible Man' and 2 books of essays (<-- this is in response to the idea that a small, or sole, literary output across a lifetime automatically deserves a raised eyebrow) - the posthumous works were heavily edited and shaped by the appointed literary executor to his estate. That sole lifetime act of completed, controlled novel-writing was profound beyond what some schmoe like me can write. Exactly, breezy424. This whole way of behaving is very Aviva. She lacks integrity in every way possible. She can toss her leg, her X-rays or CAT scans and her medicines as much as she likes, but that, her way of handling discomfort by spitting out accusations, and needing to pretend she has something in common with Harper Lee still add up to one boring, sad woman.

Pointing out that someone was gleeful about someone's own bad marital situation and now is in her own sticky wicket ain't bad character. I mean, damn. I hope the Rockettes, the German national soccer team and several wild horses kick at Ramona. I'll buy them ice cream, lager and hay respectively.

zoeysmom, I totally loathe Ramona (I do it with glee!) so our points of view are very different. But apart from that, I do think there's something like an objective distinction where there is zero hypocrisy with the other Hos offering commentary. Heather willingly discussed and had conversations about the idea that she bosses Jonathan around. The idea that LuAnn owes Ramona a courtesy that neither she nor her dick-swinging husband showed her - they reveled in her divorce, a lot, on camera - is frankly just nucking futs to me -- especially since Lu's kids were younger than Saint Avery during this mess. Ramona's marital situation - I wouldn't call it alleged, either, since I have no doubt that bad-eyejobbed twatwaffle would file suit against her husband's (ex? who knows) mistress were there nothing to this - is something she's decided is off-limits, but in truth, that would be new. On EVERY reunion, off-camera stuff is asked about: Kelly's charge of assaulting her boyfriend from this franchise alone. "I'm not talking about it, what about YOUR LIFE?" is never an acceptable response, and it doesn't make Andy or the other housewives the devil. The nasty bitch signed up for a reality show. The vapid twunt deliberately Tweeted a video link involving LuAnn's minor kid to her insane followers. The stupid slore had her fucking vows renewed at year 17 and smugged and sneered on-camera at the relationships and marriages of her coworkers. This season she insulted another Ho's husband on-air, crowing about her husband. SHE is the hypocrite. SHE commented many, many times - and now, there's a cordon sanitaire around the vicious she-beast? Her Sonja-level faking of 'what are you talking about?' has to be respected? Ha, probably jinjer! And then if so, I will be a total hypocrite (but I admit it happily) and hope for LuAnn to calmly walk over to the couch of crazy and strangle Ramona and Sonja with each hand.

I watched this OnDemand earlier this week. This was just like...damn! I don't know any better so they all look rich to me, as opposed to the fronting you can pick out immediately in the US shows. Jackie is really super not-cute to be so high on her appearance. Not cute at all. She's, I guess, feeling herself because she's the youngest wife. I howled at the 'automatic writing' - I assume she's quick with Google and researched a couple of terms to fling around to explain her 'process.' She is the stuff yikes are made of. Janet's face is so plasticky. SO plasticky. Lydia looks natural, but she speaks...slowly and in terribly 'durr' kinds of ways. I kind of love Gina and her barrister's wiglet and Vegas-style cocktail attire for everything in her life and her eyeliner. The eyeliner! I'm in love.

I agree with jinjer. There are exactly zero storylines on this show. And that's just how I like it. By any measurement, though, I feel Kristen had a hell of a lot more to show and do this season than anyone: planned the major trip, introduced her marriage, husband and therapy, confronted possibly aging out of modeling, daughter with a slight delay in walking, got attacked by a pulled-eyes, pinot-bellied, scumbag bitch-beast... The "you have no storyline! I made you relevant!" POV is one I associate with Apollo Nida (he's a husband...not for much longer...on the Atlanta series). I don't want storylines, I want interactions, otherwise it's just fake dinner parties and super-boring. But I enjoyed this season and loved the scenery of Montana and the Berkshires and Saratoga (loved St. Barths too) so a slightly more low-key show is good by me.

I think maybe! She is also 'the straw that stirs the drink.' I mean, that's awesome, but hard to put on a resume.

"Connector" and "beej distributor" are synonyms as far as Sonja is concerned, I'm convinced. There's no way a valued 'connector' is fired after a campaign of sorts of the wives of the men who had lunch at a lunchtime power restaurant if she was just 'connecting' in a platonic way. Carole or someone else mentioned that John Morgan is Sonja's second husband. Given her behavior I am not at all convinced that she purchased anything, including any real property, on her own instead of being supported in a big way by a husband. She lacks total credibility for me, and for me, Sonja has pulled this "I'm better than people who never had yachts" bullshit throughout her time on the show, she just wasn't a total mess in her first season. The dull and un-missed Cindy Barshop had her dead to rights with noting that Sonja's attitude all came from landing a golden dick, even if it wasn't a 'til-death golden dick.

I'm completely tired in turn of accusations of ageism for expecting a nearly 60 year old woman to not act like a toddler and to refrain from abusing and picking on newbies because she feels she's entitled to ruling a certain fucked-up fiefdom, or whipping out her childhood as some kind of excuse to get away with abusing people when she hasn't seen the backside of her childhood for 40 years. It's such manipulative, unfair bullshit and she is utterly too old to play those nasty cards. I personally don't like seeing women of any age being told their hair/dress/dating status has a blessed thing to do with age, but if my age creates the expectation that I am too old by years and years to engage with a snarky kid with snarky, bratty attitude on that exact level, Ramona is too g.d. old to pretend that her own variation of the 'truth cannon' routine is acceptable, adult behavior. MMV.

Sonja's blog is a fake-assed mess, much like Sonja. For what it's worth, Crazy-Eyes Singer has, literally, 20 years on Kristen. More than enough time for Ramona to get over using her past as a ridiculous fucking excuse, to quit being manipulative and abusive, and to get over herself and her enormous ego. She thinks she's an OG and therefore needs her lasered tuchus kissed all of the time, but not everyone's going to play that game. For what it's worth, I also see Ramonja as being fundamentally unable to handle their drink in different ways. Always tippling. Having fits when wine is not available. Crotch-out 'flirtations.' "Crazy drunken aunts" -- not far from descriptive reality. If you don't want to be seen as a nasty fucking nutcase who chooses to behave like a 7 year old with an elbow problem instead of a 57-year old success at life, don't act like it!

Preach! Fraud can't be discharged because there's nothing inadvertent about the kind of behaviors that make someone culpable for fraudulent activity. Sonja harmed her would-be collaborators and producers for years and plotted out lies and retribution (having the producers threatened. Links are in Sonja's thread). She's also lied and tried to float the "LuAnn tried to steal Harry from me!" bullshit this season. She's a malevolent person. GTFO with this list of employees - though she left President Obama off of her list; he works for all of us and is therefore Team Sonja and on her payroll! And tell us some more about P. Diddy on 'your' yacht, ho. (But not about the scads of dudes you blew 'hostsessing' at San Pietro, I mean, 'modeling' and 'flipping houses at 14.' Seems like Carole has her own receipts in order, though her hair is not good.) Ramona said Bethenny and Jason wouldn't work out in that horrific Brooklyn Bridge random attack. She was heinously rude to Silex and called them codependent. She offended even her dear Sonja by insinuating that she married for money (no duh) where Sonja actually took offense. Of course she was repulsively rude about Jonathan being 'vanilla' and worse - she said worse. I'm fairly certain she said something bad about Bobby but can't put my hands on it at the moment. She's more than earned a righteous ass-kicking with her endless, vicious commentary. I look forward to it. She's been cruel again and again, and I don't feel sorry for her at all, and I don't want to give her a cookie for her (apparent) fidelity or (apparent) commitment. If we assume Ramona's been white-knight faithful, we are obliged to insist that Kristen, Heather, etc., etc., etc. have been so, too - with the possible exception of LuAnn, who for all we know was in a mutually open marriage! Ramona is a brutal, cruel, total trashbag and her marriage is a hollow farce, and she participated in it with relish. She's watched her slimebag spouse eyeing ass for years on camera, not wearing his ring, and otherwise wearing a neon sign reading I FUCK AROUND, CRAZY EYES. And she's giving Andy grief? Naw.

I cannot stand Milania. There. Phew. Those whorish twins with those frigging voices. No. Never. Nyet. That goes triple for Amber and her mortgage-rat spouse.