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EC Amber

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  1. Thought this would be a good place to discuss the character as well as the role of "Commander" in the show. Hoping there's more than "F*$& those f*$*%ng raping f*$%" which, while totally understandable, only gets us so far. I posted this because I had a line of thought that I wanted to throw around a little bit. I was thinking of the scene in the first episode regarding the procreative events between he as Offred, how he cleaned himself and then gave a quick exit. You think he smiled when he was out of the room or did he really think he just committed "the Lord's work"? But then I wondered about all the other Commanders... how likely would some of them use that act to further humiliate their wives? At this point in the show (waiting for episode four) we have seen and heard very little from Comd Waterford. To be perfectly fair his perfunctory clean-up and quick disappearance made me feel he at least had enough of a sense of decorum to leave as fast as he could. I suppose that is something to say. Still, what good and admirable qualities does this man really have? What about his peers? Looking forward to seeing how his role develops and hoping we get to see other Comd's as we have their wives. If only to have a hope of finding some quality or aspect more human and less monstrous.
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    Dungeons and Dragons

    I can't be the only person who plays...
  3. It's a testament to the excellent acting that one finds themselves repulsed and angry by the Commander's Wife... and then feel a twinge of sympathy that she created her own gilded cage. That she helped craft the mass production of that cage so that all women were forced into them erases all but the most entrenched sense of sorrow for the bitter landscape it's become. I have to admit, I was skeptical about the casting, but Yvonne Strahovski has really taken hold of that part and owns it. And this is just my opinion, but I see a little bit of a parallel between her and Melania Trump - beautiful and powerful and traded in being authentic living for a life of abuse. They both misjudged the value of wealth, power and comfort for autonomy. YMMV.
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    Mrs. Waterford: The gender traitor

    I gotta lean into the idea that any pregnancy - indicates a fertile woman. And fertile women are nothing more than commodities. I genuinely don't think any Wife would be executed, but I do think her name will be stripped and she'll find a red tag in her ear. Can't let that ripe uterus go to waste when so few have that "blessing."
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    S01.E10: Night

    I totally agree, but I'm surprised that there are that many of them... it seems like when shit hit the fan, the ones with funds would get out ASAP. Thing is - how many would Gilead even want, at least of the celebrities (there's a joke in there for the Kardashians)? Would they want Angelina Joile running up a head of steam with Bono? Or would they execute Oprah? Think they would give her a quiet exit thinking it would be easier to ignore her than to explain her sudden death or disappearance? Pure speculation, but was musing about it...
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    S01.E10: Night

    Mmmm, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. *What* specifically has been proven? My understanding is that nations tend to get involved when they are either feeling threatened directly or they have some incentive to get involved. Humanitarian reasons don't fall in either category. Gilead is too weak to be a legitimate threat to any country - including Canada and Mexico. And there really isn't much by way of incentive. As I pointed out - their resources have been damaged (so much so that people attempting to clean up the mess lose their skin "in sheets"), Gilead is a poor source of exports (so much that they are considering trading the only thing that has any value, and they don't have that many Handmaid's) and they are steeped in enforced ignorance and superstition. Gilead simply has very little to offer the world that would cause them to intervene. And the world has enough to deal with without taking on the problems of Gilead. Sure, even more incentive to *not* get involved. North Korea is extraordinarily dangerous and powerful. Still, it's been over 7 decades of them starving and torturing their population. Anyone lift a finger for them? Not even the Red Cross/Red Crescent do anything aside of throw food at them when they aren't under sanction. Those who are helping the people *directly* can be counted without breaking the triple digits. The whole world condemns them. That doesn't actually amount of much by way of alleviating the situation. In the mid-late 40's the Korea's had been separated only a few years. In the 70's women could wear dresses and not wear the veil in Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan. Every fascist regime has a Day One.
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    S01.E10: Night

    Agree. Atwood made a brilliant move by using only real life events for inspiration. We can see exactly what you describe in a variety of ways and degrees of severity today around the world.
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    S01.E07: The Other Side

    Agree. It's a pretty normal trait of all humans. We move to a new place and to make adaptation easier we make it look familiar. I don't think that is an American trait... or any other nationality or culture. It's just being human.
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    S01.E10: Night

    I find this line of thinking rather fascinating. We Americans tend to think that we are so powerful and influential that should anything truly awful befall us we'll have many countries, or some countries, or a few at least coming to help us. And maybe I'm just cynical, but I really don't think they will. If we were suffering from environmental disaster that were devastating and widespread then our value as a natural resource is damaged. With the loss of population we lose our manufacturing and with that our ability to trade. With the loss of science and rational thought we lose innovation and progress. America in these circumstances would be far less valuable to maintain and support... and if she falls under what we from the show there really isn't that much incentive to go help. Which means we rely on the milk of human kindness, on the intervention of others on a moral basis. North Korea Humans will let each other oppress, torture, and murder each other on a national level for generations without lifting a finger. There really isn't much by way of human kindness in terms of international intervention. This is why the idea that given time the Martha's and Handmaid's and Econowives and the men who don't get "assigned a woman" won't successfully rise up... not for a long time. Again, North Korea... the entire country is full of walking wounded, people traumatized, generations starved. The psyche of North Korea has been forever marred because of the grueling decades of a fascist regime. What do you think the psyche of women in places like Afghanistan must be like? How many generations will that follow them...? I suspect the same will be seen with Gilead. Decades, generations of women oppressed and powerless.
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    Red Habits: Symbolism and Parallels

    I believe it is supposed to be blue... which represents Mary (the mother, not the follower/supporter). She did not bear Jesus, but was his mother - very similar to the position of wives in Gilead.
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    S01.E10: Night

    I would put forward the idea that The Colonies are in Nevada and parts of New Mexico and Arizona - places that have seen both nuclear testing and sites for "disposal" of nuclear waste. At least in part. That's where I tend to see them...
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    S01.E10: Night

    Point of interest: if certain users have habits that you find distracting, annoying or frustrating you can hover over their avatar - that will give you a pop up where you can ignore the user. Presto! Forum enjoyment to be had by all!
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    S01.E02: Birth Day

    Generally true, but I think Gilead closely resembles the splinter groups of the LDS church. Generally the FLDS, but also including the more isolated cults like the one run by J. Warren. In those boy children are not as welcome as they are seen as future threats to mating. Frequently when the boys begin to show interest in the girls they are rounded up, driven for miles and literally left on the side of the road.
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    S01.E10: Night

    Well, no, but (!) they are part of the North American continent. But they are an entirely separate, sovereign country that functions and operates independently of America. In fact, Canada is *more* European in that they are a Commonwealth British Territory with the Queen as head of state and a Governor General who represent HRM.
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    S01.E10: Night

    It's wonderfully charming, all too lacking and much needed in this world. American who loves her Canadian neighbors (I'm biased, I'm half Canadian myself).
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    S01.E10: Night

    Well, for those of us on the North American continent, generally there are "The Americas" to refer broadly to the geographical area that encompasses all of Canada, United States, Mexico and Central America. "America" is used to refer to "the States" or USA. Canada is, of course, Canada. I'm sure those who are not on this hemisphere have their own colloquialisms. This doesn't mean it's particularly accurate - only that culturally they have their own terms. Much like I'm not a fan of hearing the word "fag" as a reference to a cigarette. But I consider that unique to the other side of the pond and nothing for me to dictate to them what their language is or should be according to my sensibilities.
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    S01.E10: Night

    Don't think that was her point. Synchronicity.
  18. Brilliant citation. I'd forgotten that... To put a bit of perspective - the last laundry closed around 20 years ago. Your comparison is spot on!
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    S01.E10: Night

    :-) There was all kinds of truth telling in that last episode. June got to (finally) tell SJ was kind of deplorable, wretched monster she is. SJ got to tell Fred that the baby isn't his. I kind of want to see Putnam back with the other Commanders. Wonder how he feels being "damaged."
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    S01.E10: Night

    So what made this time different? June's pregnancy? I don't think it would be that... that is just more of his fantasy. I think it was SJ calling him out, telling him it wasn't his to begin with combined with the realization that if he does get caught "just being human" then she might have some power to exert over his punishment. I think he realized his position wasn't as fortified as he thought.
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    S01.E10: Night

    I don't think that kind of hair splitting is recognized or appreciated by the elite of Gilead. What I think is odd about that statement from Fred is how did he manage to have this startling insight? June has been giving him the absolute least interaction possible "Mm-hmm." "Yes, thank you Fred." "Here I am" is about the most enthused she's been able to muster towards her rapist. She's been lying through gritted teeth this whole time... and he's happily lapped it up. That ridiculous scene where she commented that it's because they recognize a leader and he says "You understand me so well." Really?? I mean... really?!? Was it realizing that they would suffer some kind of consequence? That SJ actually did have some power over his destiny? Was that what prompted him to look at June without using the filter of living his fantasy?
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    S01.E10: Night

    As a side note, with the exception of the trade delegate banquet the only children we've seen living under the control of Gilead is in the beginning when June was looking for her daughter while walking to shop - all of those children are dressed in pink, presumably all girls. I suspect they tend to keep the male and female separated during their formative years. I would really like to know what kind of bizarre crap they are indoctrinating those children with. Though truthfully, it can't be much further from some of the things kids are taught *now* in this country. Scary stuff.
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    S01.E10: Night

    I don't think we can definitively say that. We saw Hannah brought out of a large brick building. Could be a school (what would they teach)? Could simply be an orphanage.
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    S01.E10: Night

    My thoughts are *most* of the older children are likely the ones taken by Gilead from the Handmaid's when they were being forced into the role. Those female will be raised to be more Handmaid's. They have no familial bonds to otherwise protect them. The daughter of Commanders will likely be groomed to be good wives, demure, bland and without aspiration. And those that resist, those who are not claimed to be a wife, those who are rejected - Handmaid's. The true trouble makers will go off to Jezebel's. So, how about when a Commander sees his daughter being abused by his peers? Give the system sufficient time and it'll happen.
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    Spoilers For the Hulu Show

    Some of those tales seemed to be written on fabric, which would make it worse. I get not hiding them in her room - clearly people go in there and wander through her things (are they even "hers")? I love that she passed them on to Rita... and I hope we really get to see what Rita does with them. If they draw her into working for Mayday as well. What bothered me was her disregard for all those other handmaids who desperately wanted their voices to be heard. Her thoughtlessness could have silenced them all.
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