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No, I'm going by what Jon has actually told her. He told her that his men wouldn't approve of him bending the knee. He's told her of the urgency - she said bend the knee and he said there's no time for that, there's not time for any of it. That's when he called them all children playing a game while the WW are prepping to destroy them. He has said everything you think he hasn't said...

Mycroft and Cersei are talking in the beginning of the episode, and they say that he will be paid off in full. Cersei says the gold is still in transport and Jaime is seeing to it personally. So Mycroft doesn't have the gold yet but he will. Then do we see Mycroft again? I don't think that we do. I stopped my re-watch right before the Dothraki attack, and I think the battle is the last scene of the episode.

May I ask what you DO actually like about this show then? Sorry, but I think I only ever read complaints from you. :-)

I think the North are most definitely taking it seriously. For all the other reasons everyone else has stated, plus they all said so in the town hall meetings in the first two episodes. They are training their men/boys AND women/girls, and they wouldn't do that if they weren't taking it seriously. They now see Wildlings practically as equals, and they didn't protest that much when Jon said he had to go get the Dragonglass from Dragonstone. What they did NOT tell him he could do, was bend the knee! It's not Jon's pride preventing him from bending the knee, it's the fact that all of the Northerners CHOSE him, and they did not choose to bend the knee to Dany. He's not going to do anything that he thinks his people don't want him to do; it's not his decision to make. Sorry, but I completely disagree on your interpretation of Jon's argument for not bending the knee.

I rewatched the episode (most of it), and Randall Tarly did indeed say that "all the gold is safely through the gates at King's Landing." So Dany did not burn the gold. However, I still strongly believe that she burnt everything else, including all of that grain that the Tarlys and Bronn forced the farmers to harvest. Yes, Tarly mentions how long the caravan is and Jaime says they are stretched thin, however they all appear to be in camp together at that time. They are spread out over the field next to the Blackwater. Tarly also says that they need to get the tail over the Blackwater Rush - which tells us that they are not far from King's Landing at all. He must have rode ahead with the gold and come back again (since he's alone and on a presumably swift horse, this makes sense). I don't believe there is much food left, presuming all of this is gone. If the farmers of the Reach were harvesting, there's nothing left to harvest. So I maintain that Dany is an idiot for destroying a vast majority of the food supplies.

Bronn is a sellsword. What did you expect?? Sorry, I disagree with you - I love Bronn. He's one of the only bright spots of comedy in an otherwise dark and serious show. But also - he remained loyal to Jaime by saving his life. Bronn could have returned for his dropped gold, then hightailed it the heck out of there, but he didn't. He attempted to kill the dragon, and then saved Jaime's life, so... yeah. He's all evil? Nay. BTW, there's a thread for "unpopular opinions" and you might get more support over there. :-)

No, Robin Arryn is in charge of the Vale. The North doesn't include either the Vale or the Riverlands, but at this point, Littlefinger "speaks" for the Vale, and they are aligned with Jon. The Riverlands were the Tullys', but then the Freys' - so most definitely not pledged to Robb/The North anymore.

I don't mean to belabor the point, but Dany's Dothraki army was clearly winning. The dragon (I don't know which one that was) was there for a show of might and a future threat. He could have just been used to take out the army and not the supplies - and the supplies never would make it back to Cersei. They'd be used to feed Dany's armies, and probably Jon's armies, and the people of Westeros. I agree with Dany attacking the Lannister army, for sure - but I just can't agree with her destroying the supplies. So, so incredibly stupid. Had it been an accident as collateral damage, fine, but there was the distinct show of the dragon purposely going straight down the road and targeting the wagons. I see NO reason for that. None. (She didn't know they had a special dragon weapon, either, so it's not like she was just taking out all wagons as a precaution to take out it.)

Maybe that's where I'm missing the point, or getting hung up on semantics. All of those soldiers weren't "Lannisters." They were just unnamed foot soldiers fighting under a Lannister banner. Tyrion didn't know any of them from a hole in the ground, so I don't see why he would care about them on a personal level. If Jaime lives, who knows, maybe Tyrion will try to turn him against Cersei and to Dany's side anyway? But the army was just an army. I think Tyrion knows the difference and doesn't care. I think he was there because he is Cersei's Hand, and where she goes, he goes.

OK, but she just denied the supplies for the entire country. The country she claims she wants to rule as its beloved queen. She claims to care about all her "subjects" and treat them all lovingly and humanely. Torching the only large food supply for the coming winter is taking care of "her people"? Methinks not. I disagree that the Dothraki couldn't transport everything back to the ships. They were close to KL as it was; they wouldn't have that far to go. And the Dothraki are very accustomed to moving as a nomadic horde - that's how they lived in the Dothraki sea. That is their lifestyle. In fact, I'd say there really is no one better to move supplies and food than the Dothraki.

I didn't get the impression that he personally cared about anyone but Jaime. I thought he was just revolted by the carnage of people in general turning into human flambes.

Because Tyrion and Varys and whoever else told her that Jaime got all of the food supplies from the Reach and Highgarden. This was a pretty long discussion, where she also acknowledged that she needs food for her massive armies. So even if she didn't know the gold was safe, she had to assume that they were transporting BOTH gold and food, and she was torching both. Whatever it was, torching it was stupid. ETA: Even if it was just the soldiers' extra clothes and blankets, torching it was stupid. Winter is coming. Everyone can use all the supplies they can get - food, clothes, gold, blankets, weapons, horse saddles, etc., etc.

Thanks for the clarification! So then that also goes back to a different point I made - Dany is an idiot. She torched all the food supplies.

That dragon was pretty darn accurate... Watch again, and you'll see that it does a perfect line directly down the road and all of the wagons. The line of men is standing right next to it and they are untouched (at least that time around). And half might make a little more sense? Like I said, I need to rewatch as well, but it still doesn't make sense to me.

I'll have to watch again; I don't recall him saying that. But I think there is a huge discrepancy here then, because two characters said two different things, and we also saw something different on the screen. Sure, but the Tarlys were still with Jaime at the end during the battle as well. How would Randall Tarly know if the gold was secured in KL?

But Cersei says that Jaime is personally overseeing it's transport to KL. And we saw Jaime open at least one of the wagons full of gold. I don't see how the gold is already there?

I'm late to the game and there are 10 pages already... I'll read more when I get a chance, but I have to say this - Is Dany an idiot, or a f*cking idiot? She had a nice little speech about how she needed resources, both food and money/gold, and that she's running out. She'll soon be unable to feed her massive armies. The Lannisters stole it all, yes. So what does she do? LIGHTS IT ALL ON FIRE?!!!?! She couldn't have defeated the Lannister army without burning all of the supply wagons, too? I mean, really. Now everyone, both armies and peasants alike, have no food. She's an idiot.

Because he left the show. Out of sight, out of mind. Now that he's back, we can focus on him again. Plus, Antonio really took a back seat in the season and a half or so before he left. His biggest story then was a short romance with Sylvie from Fire. That was very easily forgettable.

It might be strange, but maybe they were able to learn more there with Arryn than they could have on their own? This is what I get from A Wiki of Ice and Fire (it doesn't elaborate much): Youth Eddard Stark was born the second son of Lord Rickard Stark and Lady Lyarra Stark. He had one older brother, Brandon, and two younger siblings, Lyanna and Benjen.[11][12] Eddard was fostered by Lord Jon Arryn at the Eyrie from the age of eight.[10][13] There, Eddard befriended his fellow ward, Robert Baratheon, while Lord Jon became like a second father to him.[10] When he reached the age of sixteen, Eddard was a man grown, and divided his time between Winterfell and the Eyrie.[14] During one of his visits to Winterfell, Eddard carried a wedding proposal from Robert to his father, Lord Rickard, who agreed to betroth his daughter Lyanna to Eddard's friend.[2][15] When Lyanna later expressed that her believe that Robert would never keep to one bed, having heard about Robert's bastard daughter in the Vale, Eddard recalled having seen the child, and is unable to deny her existence.[15] In 281 AC, at the age of eighteen, Eddard came down from the Eyrie to go to the tourney at Harrenhal,[16] where, amongst others, Eddard's foster brother Robert Baratheon, his foster father Jon Arryn, and his three siblings, Brandon, Lyanna and Benjen were also present.[17] It was during this tourney that Eddard would meet Howland Reed, one of his father's bannermen. Howland and Eddard would remain friends for the rest of their lives. During the opening feast, Eddard saw Ashara Dayne, a lady-in-waiting to Princess Elia Martell. He would dance with her later that night, but only after his older brother Brandon had spoken to her on his behalf, since he himself was too shy.[17] Eddard was present during the final jousts, where Prince Rhaegar Targaryen passed over his own wife, Elia, to crown Lyanna the queen of love and beauty. Eddard would remember this moment as "the moment when all smiles died" years later.[16] The following year, Eddard's sister Lyanna was allegedly abducted by Prince Rhaegar Targaryen.[18] Eddard's brother Brandon rode to King's Landing in anger, but when he threatened the crown prince, he was arrested. Lord Rickard Stark was summoned to King's Landing, and when he demanded a trial by combat, both he and Brandon were executed at the command of King Aerys II Targaryen.[19] Aerys's next step was to demand that Jon Arryn send him the heads of his former wards, Eddard and Robert. Jon refused and instead called his banners.[10]

Sorry, but here is where I will respectfully disagree. I still think Burgess is pretty awful. I think it's this season that she can finally grow and prove herself by not making such stupid decisions. In other words, I hope that the tragedy with her sister finally makes Burgess become a mature adult. She's only shown glimpses of that in the past to me, which are still greatly overshadowed by her numerous dumb decisions. All just my opinion, of course.

But does Euron ever travel over land? I thought it was kind of like an inside joke or unwritten rule that Greyjoy's don't "survive" on land; that's why it was such a punishment for Theon to be at Winterfell and not learning the intricacies of sailing and commanding a fleet of ships. I can't see Euron getting the best of Jaime on land as Jaime travels back to KL.

Exactly. I also never took anything they said or did as Sam being smarter than any of the Grand Maesters. Sam is very educated and well-read already, and when it came to Jorah's procedure, he just researched it and then had the balls to try it. That doesn't mean he's smarter, IMO; it means he's trying hard. He's been tasked with a mission that - for once - he knows how to do and is excited to do. Go to the Wall, learn how to fight the enemy to the north with swords and arrows? Not his thing. But go to the Citadel and read and learn? Totally his jam.

Thanks, that's right. So that's not that bad, and maybe a one time thing that we'll never see repercussions from.

The throne on Dragonstone? Not Cersei's, but Dany's. The Iron Throne is swords, but I think they might be on to something regarding the throne at Dragonstone.

Exactly. And what brought the cops? I can't remember if she said. Another Bunny- like parent, perhaps? No thank you.