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Your baby is definitely cute @Lm2162 :).

Why does she keep popping out these babies? I don't really see her enjoying them. Her primary source of joy is clearly drugs.

Yeah, every other weekend is fine since Jenelle will flake out on most of those weekends anyway. Two weeks is a long time though, so I think Barb should have held out for shorter visits, it's not like Jennelle actually cares. At least Jace can talk and express himself if something happens to go very wrong during that time. I suppose Jenelle will never stop being a shitty person so Barb basically has the rest of her nature life to collect evidence against her if it comes down to that.

Right? I don't think Luis could have actually done anything to enforce the adoption/ no adoption thing. She just wanted to have a story and that's why it was such a thing, she was never going to actually go through with it once she had the baby and she knew it. Luis could never prove that he was actively supporting Briana throughout her pregnancy. For the record, I don't think it should be a woman's sole decision (adoption/no-adoption). I had a friend who stopped his ex from giving up a baby for adoption, but she was very shady and secretive, and when they went to cour he proved that he went through, or attempted and was thwarted, all the legal steps to ensure his ability to take custody of the baby when the time came. She ended up terminating her parental rights and he's now a solo parent, but he walked the walk as well as talked the talk, something that's not happening on this show.

Agreed. I think a truly ambitious, intelligent one would probably be at school, home, and work though. Probably minimum dating and clubbing. Not hugely interesting to watch or film.

Haha, it's the worst feeling isn't it? I hate that I scared him so much! He's definitely cried since because of something I did, mostly things like I made him eat healthy food for dinner instead of pizza while babysitting... That sort of thing I don't care about, but I still feel guilty when I think back to how scared he must have been because my brother and I were yelling at each other lol.

Almost ten years ago, when my nephew was a toddler, I was arguing with his dad about borrowing his car. My nephew got so upset about our raised voices that he started crying and brought over the keys (just regular house keys). I felt guilty about yelling in front of him for years and it was nothing like the volume of Barb and Jennelle's arguments. I certainly never slammed a door in my toddler nephew's face.

Yeah, I don't understand why Chelsea's family stability is often held against her. That's how it should be, imo. I wish the other girls had it too but it's not Chelsea's fault that they didn't. Chelsea, with or without a teen pregnancy, was never going to be a CEO in a corner office, or a doctor performing brain surgery. That's just not in her, and that's absolutely fine, the world needs all sorts of people to be functional.

Whoever wrote it seems to think Kail comes off better than Javi? Referring to him as a 'big old bitch' etc? Idk, in my mind, Kail comes off a lot worse but I am sane. Just for the record: they all suck, Kail is worse.

They are only going to the Bahamas to make a pilgrimage of all the sites in her photoshoot! How come nobody gets it?

I guess MTV is doing their part to provide felons with employment. Normally I'd approve but these particular ones haven't learned from their mistakes and are being rewarded for making new ones.

Sadly, unlike her own mother, I think she genuinely loves her sons. However, what she's doing to them is not quite forgivable. It will be a sad day for Kail when those boys realize how she used them against their genuinely loving and present fathers. Maybe they'll forgive her because humans are capable of amazing grace when it comes to their family but it's also possible that they will only want to speak to her on Christmas and Thanksgiving. While most of the population only has highly fallible memory to search through, Isaac and Lincoln have a lifetime of MTV film. They will know exactly who she is and she won't be able to fall back on her usual weapons, i.e lies and anger, to defend herself.

I think it must be hard for Javi because even though he's a fame whore, he was genuinely in love with Fail. Also I think Jo has always just had more emotional distance from Kail. He loves Isaac but I think, based on their 16 and P episode, he knew that the pregnancy wasn't accidental. I think Jo was fond enough of Kail but was not necessarily 'deeply in love' with her, I think she knew that and that was why she never quite forgave him. But also, I don't think Kail is capable of feeling that sort of love for anyone besides her children, so she basically hated Jo for knowing her well enough to not to fall for her. Jo was horrible during the 16 and P episode but I think I'm more okay with it now because he's a really good father and loves his son deeply.

That's her pattern. It was the same with Jo. She started dating that guy she worked with, he was upset, she moved out of his parent's house. Then when Jo started dating Vee, she wanted to reconcile, he said no, and she filed a domestic abuse charge & restraining order against him. Fail can't bear it when her exes move on. Agreed that spouses should respect each other's privacy. But, to be fair to Javi, he knew she was cheating on him, and she was gaslighting him. he shouldn't have been trying to control her, but man I've been there, it's a horrible feeling. He had a feeling based on her behavior, she was denying it and calling him crazy and stupid. You feel angry, conflicted, heartbroken, and confused. Like is there something wrong with me? Am I as crazy and paranoid? But he was right about her, he just couldn't confirm it (hence the phone). By asserting control most people feel like they are taking proactive steps to fix things, but they are really making it worse by driving a partner who is gone even farther away. Also, Fail is a monstrous grifter with no empathy so he had it worse than most in that situation, including me, my ex was a narcissist but at least he felt some remorse. I don't like Javi but I felt for him, I never want to feel like that again that's for sure.

Haha. That is so sweet. All of the names I've had picked out since I was a little one are now being used by my two older brothers and their 4 kids. They like to think they came up with them with their wives but I know better :).

But she already has 2 other kids, shouldn't she know better? So all 3 of her kids have different last names from each other? I know it happens but it's a bit mind blowing for me. Does Isaac at least have the same last name as Jo and his sister?

But then how would you know he's a DOCTOR? :-). Debz doesn't trust everyone to know what the acronym M.D stands for.

I think because their idea of what makes a full life is so limited. They think the only worthwhile children's activities are sports related-- and the sports are also limited to ones they are familiar with. If Ali is really interested in sports, I am sure there are wheelchair based ones that she can participate in but, I think, for Leah and Corey, if you can't cheerlead or play-ball what even is the worth of your life? What happened to Ali's choir? Why don't they put her in an art class? I am not super familiar with the range of elementary school activities but I am sure they're not all sports based? My niece is in both a swim team and a chess team-- she's 8 years old (she's a smart kid but not a savant). My 11 year old nephew is student council treasurer. There are a range of things that Ali could do that don't involve her straining her body in this unnecessary way. Why not find out what her strengths are and cultivate them? I don't understand why Leah and Corey don't get that skipping out on cheerleading isn't depriving Ali of her childhood.

How do these girls have high school degrees? Do they have high school degrees?

@Scarlett45 Trust me, I don't know if I'll ever be able to forgive my parents for this either. I mean, obviously I love them and will always have a relationship with them, but this incident has just changed the way I think about them. If they had been honest about her making her live in the backyard to begin with, I'd probably not have come back to CA and found a way to make it work in Chicago (maybe moved in with a friend for a few months). To be fair to my parents though, I don't think they expected their fully grown attorney daughter to show up at their door-step. I never expected it either but I've had quite a few blows over the last couple of years from a divorce to surgery to a lay off to this. (to be honest, the last 2 years). Also, I don't want to sound like a victim, I am sure I've made some bad decisions, but ugh, it's just been a hard time. That's such a good idea, re the contract and the payments, I should run that idea past the woman who has been helping me re-home her (she runs a local foster based rescue network). The other fosters had met me and seen my interactions with my dog, and I think felt that they wanted to help me because of that. These ones genuinely want to adopt a dog though, so I don't know if it will fly. I basically went through my entire social network and hit a wall before I decided to rehome my girl. My ex's response, which stung the most because I got her with him, was that she was no longer his problem, and I was the one who decided not to let him see her after our split (he knocked up his then 21 year old girlfriend). I guess things can only go upwards from here, right? The only good thing to come out of losing my dog is that I've decided that I'm going to foster rescues when I am again finally settled down in a place of my own with a new full adult job (if that ever happens, it feels very far away at the moment). I didn't know that not being licensed in my profession in CA would make me feel like such a child. Please keep your fingers crossed for me everyone! @MissMel, so glad you guys are safe. Ugh, sorry about your tree though. It looks like you guys are pretty lucky to still have power. I hope things go back to normal soon. ETA: Thanks everyone for "listening" to me be whiny about this. Sorry for writing entire essays about it.

@Scarlett45, so glad you got your pumpkins back! Why did they move it? How presumptuous of them. Glad all you Floridians are safe! I think I told people on this board about having to rehome my dog. To cut a long story short, I've been sick for a large portion of this year and then got laid off from my job. I had to move in with my parents who initially told me I could come with my dog but then demanded that she live in the back yard. It turns out that her first foster family couldn't keep her because she was not getting along with one of their 3 dogs. It sucks for me because they were planning to either adopt her themselves or return her to me once I am moved out of my parent's house by January (the deadline I've set for myself). For the past week she's been living with a different foster, they also plan on adopting her, they seem to adore & pamper her, but the option for me to get her back is obviously off the table. I visited her twice this weekend and it's been physically painful, I just love her so much that it hurts to let her go. However, I know she can't have a good life with me for at least 4-5 months. I still have to study for and take the Ca bar-- it all costs time and money so I can't move out right at this moment. I know I have no right to be sad because this is a choice I made but this almost hurts more than it did when my marriage fell apart. She's also, in a way, better off with the new fosters because they're a retired couple with more free time than I expect to have over the next 40 years lol, but my heart still aches from letting her go. My family is no consolation because they keep accusing me of choosing my dog over them, as if it's a competition. The good news is that my beautiful puppy girl at least seems to be happy and thriving.. It just sucks because she got me through so many tough times in my life, and I feel like I am betraying her just as soon as it became inconvenient for me to have her. I attached a picture of my gorgeous baby from our visit to the beach this weekend. I don't think I've ever really seen a dog that looks quite like her.

Yeah, agreed. She certainly isn't renting a car most days/ week so where is Ali's wheel chair for the rest of the 29 days out of the month?

But honestly, why is she on TM2 if not to build a cushion to pay for Ali's future medica needsl? I know car is not a medical bill but if Ali will need her wheelchair permanently in the future it seems more imperative to find a way to transport her than to invest in her fifth pyramid scam, or as Leah would call it "her own business" which will only drain her funds. I just don't understand how these girls are so broke all the time, if I were making 300, 000, plus whatever they land in endorsements or speaking fees, I certainly would own my own home and have a few tidy investments by now.

Hah, my best guess is that they have very overcrowded jails and prisons, so reserve them for uber violent types. I bet Dustin wasn't representing Jenelle during her child protection proceedings since he seems to specialize almost exclusively on criminal. I'd really love to know 1) Jenelle's total lawyer bill; 2) the different types of attorneys she has on retainer. In law school, I clerked for a very high end criminal law firm in Chicago-- we mostly did complex trials, but on the few occasions we did simple DUIs etc for regular clients (mostly Narcos level organized crime folks and their cronies), they paid upwards of 12k.

I read it as she sometimes rents a van to MOVE Ali's wheelchair. Which makes me wonder why she doesn't get rid of one of her two vehicles and buy one that accommodates Ali's wheelchair. It seem as though Ali doesn't use her wheelchair too often if Leah has to rent a van just to transport it.