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But that was Jo's home. Hence "his house." She disrespected him in his own home. He was young at the time, and it was the only home he had. He was a kid, who'd recently become a father, and experience a rather ugly break- up with the mother of his child--- I am willing to cut him some slack with regard to bratty behavior, given his age and emotional turmoil at the time. He's definitely matured into a good father now. Kail certainly didn't behave well back then and continues to be a piece of work now. I think the rest of the Riveras were also pretty neutral when negotiating Kail and Jo's relationship. At least, until she started disobeying their rules. I feel like they made every effort in the world to make it work. Can't really say I blame them for ultimately kicking her out. Also, I really can't be hard on Jo for the "my house" comment, He's at least 6-8 years younger than me-- I am in my late twenties and I still think of my parent's place as my 'real home' :-). To be fair to me, I live in a big city and rent so I probably won't be a homeowner anytime soon. I do/ did have sympathy for Kail ,given her age and life circumstances at the time, but she's definitely kind of a monster. If I had a Kail in my life, I don't think I would be as patient as Jo and his family. ETA: I get that when Kail left the Riveras she had nowhere else to go. But, I really don't think they would have kicked her out if it was between them and the street. She went to her mother's apartment. In any case, while I have all the sympathy in the world for someone who was raised the way Kail was, she was very difficult to deal with, and the Riveras are not trained social workers. I think, by the end, they just didn't know how to deal with all her damage and were reacting to her. I can't really say I blame them, she needed and continues to need more help than non-professionals can give her.

And letting the girls sit in the car while she's with him or crawl around in that rando's living room.

Cares about the particular message/social issue, maybe?

I am ok with Jo having dreams and aspirations (rapper, food truck owner) maybe someday he'll even make one come true. But as it stands, he still earns a living down on earth with a practical skill. He works on his rap, I know that (dunno how good he is), but he also has a practical job to support his son. I wish more of these idiots were as sensible as he is, shows you what good parenting can do for a kid.

I was diagnosed with it ten years ago but have not heard that-- but I was about 18 and perhaps did not ask the question because it wasn't a concern. Perhaps it depends on the degree or extremity? It runs in my family and most have managed to get pregnant without intervention. Anyway, Maci is clearly lying about what her doctor said or her doctor is dumb. The former is more likely than the latter.

For some reason I thought the reunion shows were always filmed in NYC. Is this an exception?

If her doctor really said that, he/she should have their license revoked. Like that's lawsuit worthy false info. Maci is a lying liar who lies and the doctor can't defend herself. Ugh.

Thanks for the clarification regarding the bacon slap. I genuinely thought it was fried bacon, fresh from the pan!

Who is on Brody's right?

How confusing. Are they now going to claim Kris has some long lost Armenian relatives? That Kris is not her bio mom? That could be an interesting storyline for the show! So much crying. 100% this. I am hoping it's just a storyline for the show and no the real deal. Kourtney maybe the more stable one but she has enabled and exploited Scott's issues for money. She definitely isn't innocent in all of this.

Rob Sr., wasn't exactly a practicing attorney, I think. He had to renew his bar license to be counted as counsel for OJ. If Rob Sr., was involved in her divorce, I think, that's absolutely fine, she was very young at the time and he had some knowledge of the legal field-- any decent father would help in a situation like that IMO. I would hesitate to discount her claims-- she wasn't famous at the time. She was also married, at 19, to someone over 10 years older. I think the power differential in that relationship is enough for me to take her claims seriously. ETA: this is just a reply from some conversations about Kim from the Scott thread.

I'll take the Kim topics to her thread. Yeah, I just don't understand why his issues have not been dealt with. Why is he still doing club appearances? Surely, given his money and connections, he can find other avenues for work which does not trigger his addictions. I feel for Scott, I really do, but his addiction and anxiety issues have been well known for over 10 years. Shame on the show for exploiting them for entertainment. I don't really think he's a bad guy, but it's sad that he doesn't want to live for children. I am surprised Kourtney didn't care enough about the father of her kids to demand that he stop his club and show appearances for his own well being.

I really wouldn't be surprised if Scott dies soon given his lifestyle. Why is it that only Kim seems to choose men who aren't codependent addicts? I hate to say it, but she's the only one of the three Kardashian sisters who picks okay-ish dudes even if for reasons based on status. Kris Humphries wasn't an addict. Neither is Kanye. Reggie seemed like a good guy. I don't know anything about her first husband or Ray J.

Lol. I do think Leah had legitimate gripes regarding Jeremy though. Not all the work stuff but he seemed emotionally distant and just not that into her. He was not respectful of her even during the period that both of them should have been happy and in love. I never understood why he pursued Leah only to abandon her so quickly. Leah is a piece of work but she didn't deserve for him to throw hot bacon at her face.

Me too. Maybe Corey could tell she was high as a kite but didn't know that it was prescription meds? I guess there's a possibility that his lawyer did not know what type of testing to specify.

Ugh. I am 28 and I still need parental advice and guidance. I can't imagine being that adrift at 17.

Yeah, Kendall and Kylie were much more prominent compared to Mason and Penelope. Maybe Kourtney learned from their experiences. Silly! Mason won't go to SCHOOL with peers. "Home school" all the way with these folks.

Ehh. I am sure she's wearing makeup/ enough makeup. She's obviously a beautiful girl but there are ways to wear makeup that aren't obvious. I spend at least 30 minutes every morning on mine but people always think I am not wearing much/any. Her sisters are just going for a different look than Kendall is. But yeah, I am guessing she's had a lot less surgery than the other girls. But she wears makeup for sure, even if only to hide flaws or even out her skin.

Thank you. You articulated it much better than I ever could have. It is obviously a complicated situation with nuances and subtleties. Ugh. Here is the thing though, he's basically a kid. They're all kids and neither he nor Kail should be parents at all, at this point in their lives. Heck, I am 28, almost 30 and headed towards a divorce and I feel nowhere near ready to take on this venture called parenthood. I am still working on myself so much. This show makes me sad.

I think Isaac will be fine since he does have an involved and loving father in Jo. It probably would have been different if Jo had abandoned him and Javi was his only father figure. As it stands, I am not that worried about him. My parents are still married and have been my entire life, so maybe I am just misunderstanding this, but I think if I had had a step-parent, I wouldn't really have appreciated them trying to be like a "real/bio" mom or dad (I don't really know how to articulate this concept. Not trying to belittle excellent step/non-bio parents here). Is there any reason Javi should strive to be anything other than a very good stepparent to Isaac?

So, did they move to a different house in the same area? I am kind of envious, I live in Chicago and that kind of money would not buy anywhere near that size of house (in a decent neighborhood anyway). In my native SF Bay, I'd be laughed out of the realtor's office for trying to buy with less than 500k.

Well, judging from that video, at least Amber knows Leah. Sandboxes, Farrah, really?

Yes, I am sure there will be a sex tape, but unfortunately (am I really saying this?), I don't think Leah has the hustle to leverage it into a mini empire the way Farrah did. I think hers will be amateur, grainy footage that gets sold to one of the many internet porn sites for minimal pay... The girl is lazy and lost without a man. I don't have many good things to say about Farrah but that girl definitely has hustle and self-promotional skills. Yes. Does no one in her family see how much trouble she is in? Or do they just indulge her to keep her from going off the cliff with the kids? Dawn seems to have been in a stable relationship for a long time so I don't understand why she isn't calling Leah on her shit.

It makes me sad because Farrah and her family are so dysfunctional and awful. I don't know much about Derek or his family but maybe, just maybe, someone in that family could have been an anchor for Sophia. Maybe Derek was a terrible teenager but could have grown up to be a somewhat functional adult? Just look at Jo from TM2, he was an awful boyfriend to his pregnant girlfriend in 16 & P, but has grown into a practical, caring and loving dad to Isaac. His parents deserve a lot of praise and credit for his transition, I think.

Hah. As if Simon wouldn't be on camera if he wasn't in NYC. MTV would want him on and Simon would be shoving Tyler out of the camera to make sure his mug was on.