Sesquipedalia

I hate the c-word--have never said it and never felt the least temptation to say it, a word meant to demean women by reducing them to a body part, the body part most abused and despised in our sexist culture. I hate when women use it to try to sound edgy. So I'm fine with Sam Bee facing criticism, but I do hope she doesn't get fired. As despicable as I find Rosanne, I also thought her firing was random, with all the racist and anti-Semitic comments she has made. I figured there must have been things going on behind the scenes, and this was just the last straw or the excuse ABC had been waiting for to fire her. Fingers crossed Sam has a good relationship with TBS. But there are also so many reasons not to lump Sam Bee in with Rosanne. Rosanne is a known racist saying something racist about a member of an oppressed group she's not a member of. Bee is a strong feminist, saying something sexist about a member of an oppressed group she also belongs to. We always grant more leniency toward people criticizing their own group, and there are good reasons for that. It is not a double standard. Bee also made her remark in the context of criticizing a member of the current presidential administration. She is a unique voice, one of the only female comedians with a high-profile platform from which to resist the administration, so silencing her would have much darker implications for free speech. The dynamics are totally different, so I hope TBS will recognize that and not give in to the what-aboutism and false equivalency arguments they will inevitably be bombarded with.

This show is so bizarre. I was really into it in the beginning, but I'm not sure I would have made it through the season if I hadn't prepaid on Amazon. I know it's supposed to be genre-defying, but that's making it hard for me to see what the point or endgame is. There are too many gun-waving stand-offs. I felt like the Anna plot was anti-climactic. I don't have the energy now, but if this were 5-10 years ago, I'd be up in arms about the tired lesbian psycho killer stereotype. I find it hard to identify with Eve because she's almost as much of a psycho as Villanelle. I do love how woman-centric it is, and I'm curious to find out what happens. Knowing the Brits don't drag shows out as long as Americans is also a point in its favor, so I'll probably watch Season 2 but wait until it comes out in a format I don't have to pay extra for.

I think Kurt would have written in Evan McMullin, a principled conservative and actual 2016 write-in candidate, but probably not enough viewers would know who that is.

I loved this season so much more than Season 1. Less Maia and more Diane was definitely the right direction to take. Crashtextdummie, I love your whole post. I especially agree with this: Audra McDonald was a big highlight of the season, and I was so happy Liz was the one Diane turned to when she needed a lawyer. I also liked how Lucca realized Maia and Marissa's car was the one she was happy to see. It looks like her Season 3 story line will be about juggling her career with single motherhood, and I hope that her female friends will continue to be there as a support system. I agree this was a good idea but wasn't executed well. LSD works as a metaphor for disorientation, but the whole plot was too fuzzy. Still, I'm glad it ended the way it did and didn't turn into some kind of after-school special with Diane becoming addicted. Diane's foray into martial arts, while unrealistic and silly from the standpoint of what beginner martial arts classes are actually like, served as the antidote to the LSD effect. I really relate to her desire to bring order to her own little part of the world as a way of staving off the madness. After years in kung fu, I abruptly stopped going to class in November 2016. I felt like my priorities had shifted, but TGF has me thinking I should reconsider. Did we see Diane turn in her gun to be melted in a previous episode? I don't remember that, but sometimes I watch late and night and forget stuff.

I found it jarring to see C-3PO in bed with a woman. I guess I always unconsciously assumed he was gay. I always tell people that if you didn't give birth to me, it's unlikely I will be calling you. But when I was a kid I would spend hours on the phone with friends like a stereotypical teenage girl of the 80s. I always assumed I just grew out of it, but apparently it's part of a widespread cultural shift. The report on rehab clinics was very informative! I hope some law-makers were watching because this is something that should clearly be addressed as part of the response to the opioid epidemic.

The goat thing was very prescient! The White House sowed mass confusion today by issuing a statement saying Iran has a nuclear program. They later corrected it to "had." Goat/goal, has/had--the last letter of a word is important!

It's also streaming on BBC America's web page. I'm surprised they would put it up before the premier tonight. I hope they'll be streaming all of it since I don't have cable and am already hooked. My favorite scene was toward the end with Fiona Shaw and the milk. I took it to mean that Eve is now a spy for MI6. I wonder how long she'll be able to keep that from her husband and whether she'll draw in her former, now unemployed boss and assistant. Also, I wonder if Villanelle (a character name I can easily remember because she's the villain and because it's one of my favorite types of poem) purposely went against her handler's orders to make the assassination look like a suicide to "show off" or if it was just too tall an order given all the guards around. For a minute I thought the young Polish guy Eve brought to the hospital was dead, but I'm glad the show didn't go that dark, at least not yet. So far I'm enjoying the semi-light-hearted take on a brutal assassin.

The duck made me lol. I enjoy Diane's political visions, but since she may be dosing, I find it confusing whether or not they're real. The world we live in now is so surrealistic it's hard to tell the difference between reality and hallucinations. Maybe that's the point? As someone who has gained 15 pounds of "Trump weight" due to depression caused by our current political circumstances, I can identify with a character going through a similar crisis (though she remains skinny). Maia's story line was confusing. I don't think those cops should be taking valuables from a crime scene regardless of motive, but she seemed satisfied that everything was A-OK.

I agree, but that's what I liked about the original Fab Five. They were so bitchy. My favorite part was at the beginning of each episode when they would storm into the guy's house and start ripping it apart and criticizing everything about him, and then at the end when they would watch and pick apart all his movements as he got ready for his big event. They were so ruthless, but without being overly mean. I am rewatching the old series and loling constantly. The new guys are so earnest, which is sweet but not super funny. Yas.

This probably doesn't count as an actual spoiler, but it's a hint! Wilson Cruz (Dr. Culber) posted "Who’s ready for Season 2?" on Twitter. I replied "So you're in Season 2?" and Anthony Rapp liked my reply. I guess it could just be flashbacks and visions, but it seems like Culber will still be on the show in some capacity.

I can't wait to see what this is about:

I just rewatched the first four episodes of the original QE, and it's just as good as I remember. The flip phone intro is more delightful now than ever. I said in another thread that I miss Carson's wit on the new show, but it's actually all of them. They were so funny together, and they played off each other in a way that's impossible to recapture.

The original was far superior, but I do enjoy this reboot. I've watched all the episodes except the last one and the one I skipped as soon as I saw a MAGA hat. I really miss Carson Kressley. The new guys are cute, sweet, and charming, but not witty. Jonathan steals the show most of the time. None of the others stand out to me. Antoni is my least favorite. Tom was the most endearing of all the guys. The guy who was living in his grandmother's house where time stood still was also really sweet. I almost hated to see them change that place because it reminded me of my grandmother's. I also loved the AJ episode, though the coming out moment was almost too intense for me to watch. I wonder if the step-mom already knew. Joe the comedian probably got the biggest lifestyle change by moving from the bedroom by his parents to a basement apartment. The photo shoot and new web site also seemed like the most useful "culture" improvement. However, the episode was overall really awkward, largely because it's quite possible that Joe is not that talented at comedy and needs to get a day job. It was weird that Joe suddenly had a girlfriend that he had neglected to mention to the fab five. I felt like she and Tom's ex were under a lot of pressure to say yes in front of the camera.

I highly recommend a Grace and Frankie-only rewatch. It goes really fast, and the show is much improved. I'm in your camp. Nick buying the house would be too easy. I imagine there will be a whole lot of shenanigans involved in getting the house back. My ignorance of home ownership clearly helped me suspend my disbelief on this. I just assumed Grace and Frankie had agreed to sell the house because they didn't live there anymore and the kids were taking care of it. Also, although I don't find the story line super believable, I don't think we necessarily have to believe that the kids talked their moms into the arrangement all at once. Two months elapsed between the conversation we saw and the first time we see them in the home, so the children could have worn them down over time. It's possible Grace and Frankie went to stay with their respective kids since their house was unlivable and were therefore isolated from each other.

Thanks for the explanation, ahisma. So all or most of the bad stuff happened to Voq, so now the memories don't feel personal to Ash anymore. I guess we'll have to buy that. I just remembered a really trivial thing I liked from this episode: Michael's communication device looks almost just like my flip phone, which everyone makes fun of me for still using. I know they will make a comeback!

Well, that was anticlimactic. Tilly and Georgiou stole the show for sure, and I'm glad Georgiou lives so she can come back and cause trouble, although her departure was, again, anticlimactic. Same. It was a long, repetitive, and overwrought speech that made a lot more sense as something spoken to the viewing audience. Why would she be saying all that in front of the crew? Question: Didn't L'Rell rape and torture Ash? I can't believe he would go off with her like that. And I don't see why Starfleet wouldn't accept him back into the fold. He would be extra valuable now that he has inside knowledge of a hostile species, like Seven of Nine on Voyager. Yep.

Exciting episode! I hated Lorca as captain, so I was glad when he turned out to be evil. The smarties on this forum often predict the major plot twists, but Georgiou ending up on Discovery was not something I had read anywhere or that I saw coming, so I was finally surprised! One of the main reasons I started watching this show in the first place was because I read Michelle Yeoh was playing the captain, so I'm happy that she's sticking around a while longer. I predict Michael will try to redeem her but it won't work until the final moment when Georgiou decides to sacrifice herself for some noble cause and Michael will have to watch her die again (just guessing--have not seen past this ep). I loved that Yeoh finally got a decent fight scene and that the crew finally started acting like a real Star Trek crew. Hated the cliche of Stamets getting pep talks from his dead husband. I'm trying to be patient and see how this plays out, but GLAAD might have some 'splaining to do if they approved this story line. I find the Klingons in this series so boring, so the alternative universe was a nice detour. I hope we're not headed for more long, slow conversations in Klingon from characters who all look and sound alike to me.

Everyone except Brianna, who gave hers to Barry. I thought it was a subtly funny visual gag.

I loved that, too. I also loved that Frankie's checklist included improvising a kick-ass checklist. I had a feeling throughout the whole season that the show was over-playing the age difference between Grace and Nick, like they were supposed to be the actors' real life ages--a significant difference of 18 years--instead of what they're playing on the show, which seems like a much smaller gap. But if Grace is supposed to be around 75 and Peter Gallagher is playing his real-life age, 62, I guess that's a big enough difference that someone like Grace would play it up in her mind and be insecure about it. It would be interesting to see Frankie dating a younger man. I could totally see a young guy falling for her in a Harold and Maude type situation.

YAY!! I saw on Reddit that they had already started filming Season 5, but I didn't know how to confirm it and didn't want to spread fake news. I'm glad it was accurate!

Aaah, I see. Thanks. I guess that makes about as much sense as brown and sticky being a stick.

Did anyone else notice weird editing in this episode? At one point Barry and Coyote go out to the beach because “tears are salty”--Huh? I assume that’s another part of the riddle, but I don’t remember it being mentioned. And a few minutes later, Grace reenters buttoning her shirt. Why did she take her shirt off?! I like how Frankie pauses in the middle of her emotional declaration about how she hates Santa Fe and wants to come home to her family to clarify that the "miracle of life growing inside Allison" has no legal rights.

I am sorry if I'm the one who spoiled it. I posted about it, but now that post has disappeared, so I'm worried I might have put it in the wrong thread by accident. It was intended for the all episodes thread when that was open. I agree the Gift of the Magi star-crossed scenario is a bit far-fetched. Grace and Frankie know each other too well to fall for the other's children's manipulations. I'm just as outraged as you at the children's behavior, especially after Grace's plea about how much the beach house means to her and Frankie. They should have done everything in their power to keep their mothers in that house. I'm not as angry at the writers as I thought I would be because I feel like the story was told primarily from Grace and Frankie's perspectives, so we're meant to be outraged by how they were dismissed and infantilized. The writers are clearly setting up G&F for a comeback/ revenge story line, as long as there's another season.

When Jane Fonda spoiled on a talk show that Grace and Frankie end up in a home, I almost didn't watch this season because I thought it would be too depressing. But honestly, I loved it. I binged a little too fast, so now I need to watch again, but overall I thought it was hilarious and poignant. The fact that they are ill-treated by their families just makes me root for them that much more. Nick buying the house seems likely after the way the writers dispensed with Frankie's move to Phoenix. It seems like they want to shake things up but then hit the reset button as quickly as possible, a la The Simpsons. That's fine--I do want to see their triumphant return to the beach house, like the end of "The Coup" times eleven. However, rather than Nick saving them, I would prefer that they get their own house back like they got back Sheree's for her. The most important thing is that we get a Season 5! This was not a good series finale. So everyone tweet @netflix a million times to give the "go ahead" for Season 5 ASAP!

I hate the children so much, but I did lol throughout this episode, from Grace and Frankie threatening Coyote's girlfriend to Grace making everyone walk around her at the play to the rat scene at the end. My favorite eps are when G&F are banding together against the world, even when they're not so successful ("I'm gonna take you down tonight, mothefucker!" . . . "Oh, we got trouble"). I like how the woods-dwelling barefoot contractor is always right about everything. As the daughter of someone who got lost with her children in the car hundreds of times when we were growing up, I can attest to the fact that it's stressful but not the end of the world. Bud represents the worst stereotype of a generation that will not leave home without their phones.