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I think normal human nature makes it hard to comprehend people who have no empathy at all. ---- Sobyn: "Meri, Kody still loves you and wants you in his life" Meri: "Rilly? 'Cause he doesn't act like it at all" Kody: "Ug Meri, why are you still here? I don't want you in my life. But you insist on being here could you stay in the back of the garage where i keep things i don't want?" Sobyn: "Seeeeee Meri! Kody is making room for you in the back of the garage!! Yay!" Meri (under her breath): "WTactualF" ---- Sobyn seems legitimately clueless about other people's emotions and worth.

I hear ya! But honestly the crazymaking way this family operates...saying one thing...doing another...rewriting history..."defending" themselves against made up attacks.... gaslighting...misusing the word "gaslighting" it's impossible for anyone to easily recall what we've seen.

Can we talk about this family's use of the word "safe"? It's used in almost every episode. It's bizarre to me. I think it's mostly used by Sobyn, right? It started being used in Vegas at the same time they were in "family therapy". It just seems like such an obviously manipulative word. I suspect everytime Sobyn told the T she was being "victimized" by family members (ie: "Christine is being so unfair to me by requesting Kody's time. She is stealing his time from me") the T would push back to encourage her to take ownership of her own emotions because you can't control another person's actions. So "christine is attacking me by taking Kody' time" becomes "i feel attacked by Christine"... or " Kody is ignoring me" becomes "i feel vunerable when Kody isn't paying 100% of his attention to me". Unsafe = vulnerable/ victimized / manipulated And it's just so so soo easy to simply say "this situation makes me feel unsafe" or "that conversation makes me feel unsafe". But it doesn't address the underlying problem of Sobyn imagining attacks that just aren't there. Just because she FEELS victimized doesn't mean anyone is actually victimizing her. No one can actual have a real conversation with her when she pulls out the "safe" word because people are allowed to state how they FEEL. But once she says "i feel unsafe" there is no reason to talk further. She is talking about a made up world at that point.

Don't you think Jenelle bought the RV just as an attempt to push for developing the property? She was the only one still hoping for that dream to come true. Sobyn clearly wanted a mansion far away from the family. Yeah...yeah... I remember all her fake protest to buying that mansion...and all the Kody talking points "but we DESERVE a mansion. We've been treated UNFAIRLY by the rest of the family. We need to STAND UP for ourselves and buy a mansion". With Sobyn just sittin' there fake sobbin' with a quivering bottom lip "but...but...i'll just take the crumbs the rest of the fambly is giving meeeeee". Kody was her HERO buying her the mansion she actually thought she deserved. And Jenelle was left trying to push through "the family" dream of Coyote Pass. I get it. I would much rather stay off grid in a camper awaiting a house I actually wanted than waste money on a house I don't want (that also means i will never actually get the house I want). Jenelle went ALL IN on trying to force the family into Coyote Pass...in trying to save the family unit. And she lost. As far as legal repercussions, i'm not sure there are any. The courts aren't set up to save people from their own bad decisions. Janelle wasn't tricked (at a legal level). She went along with this mess willingly. I don't blame Janelle for where she finds herself, but she made a calculated risk and lost. She's smart. She'll be fine if she can disengage from these dysfunctional people.

I assume she's talking about separating the family income streams/ monies in general, right? Like when she told Sobyn she was "moving her business" she meant "out of Sobyn's reach"... but hasn't actual said that out loud and it appears Sobyn just doesn't even slightly see what is obviously coming.

Sobyn: Please, please don't leave me, Meri! We're in this together, right? Also Sobyn: Please, please don't step in my house Meri. Also, could you find somewhere else to be when i have the family over for Christmas. ____ And as long as we are playing... ;) Kody: Gwad, i HATE the sight of you Christine. Please never eat in front of me 'cause it grosses me out. In fact, i hate absolutely everything about you. Christine: i think it's time to admit this relationship isn't working. Kody and Sobyn (in unison): WHAT THE HELL?? Where did that come from? Gwad Christine has lost her mind. Why is she saying crazy things?

I mostly agree with you, but here's the thing i think that's missing.... Sobyn truly identifies as a victim. It seems to be in the core of her personality. She isn't "playing" a victim. She truly feels she is one. (Like people can "play" ignorant to avoid responsibility vs people who truly are ignorant.) And victimhood creates anger. These things just go together. If you are a victim, then someone is victimizing you, therefore, anger. Sobyn has been ramping Kody up since the day she met him, that he's being victimized too. And Kody's rage has build as he's embraces the role of "victim". Of course, we ALL can see that neither Kody or Sobyn are actually being victimized by anyone. But they can't see it that way. Since they ARE victims then someone MUST be victimizing them. Initially they could place all that blame (and anger) on Christine...but now that Jenelle is checking out they can blame her too. And certainly ALL the "other" children are victimizing them too. The original three wives are in agreement that Kody's personality has changed. They agree his anger has been ramping up. My whole point is...this is what happens when you bring a person who at the base of their personality identifies as "a victim" into a group. Sobyn isn't INTENTIONALLY manipulating. She is just trying to explain her dysfunctional reality. And she is paired with a weak willed man who is willing to grasp at anything to make himself feel better even at the expense of those around him. Apparently victimhood/anger make Kody feel better. It's really a shame. Sobyn broke the family.

It was ALL SO WEIRD. First, he gifted 3 minibikes to 5 of his children, right? But 2 aren't even allowed to use them? So we watched 1 using a minibike then the scene changed to that one riding a much nicer, much more expensive 3 wheeler (or was it a 4 wheeler?). Absolutely nothing about this show makes any sense at all.

Meri: i'm gonna move away from Flagstaff. It doesn't make sense for me to live here anymore. Sobyn: i completely understand, but you will still live in Flagstaff, right? Meri: Yep ______ Kody: i don't want to be married to Meri anymore. I wish she'd just leave. Meri: Since Kody is adamant he doesn't doesn't want to be married to me, i guess i'll just leave. Sobyn: i completely understand, but you two will remain married living in Flagstaff, right? Kody & Meri (in unison): Yep ____ Wth r we watching?

Every episode Kody reaches a new low. He is the worst.

Noooooo....she is NOT answering the question. That's suspect. Andddddd...now she's "pregnant". This chick is suspect!

Naw...come on...IF she's preggo, it's not his, right?

Wait? Wha? I'm still running my air in northern midwest US

Ok Amanda...i see ya. All that manipulating you do is cause you think you can't just count equally and use your voice like another grown up, huh?

Ohhhhh ...ohhhh dear...dear silly Amanda.

Nicola is just such a loser. Let's move on. Apparently this woman likes losers. I'm bored now.

Honestly HE makes it sound that way.

^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^

Nicola certainly seems like bad husband material...but even WORSE step dad material. What the HELL is this woman thinking? Why?

Why..why would anyone be interested in this Nicola "man"? I just really don't get it. It seems like she is high maintenance and he is just a dud. I don't get it. They don't go together AT ALL

But psychotic Stapler is leading her on i think... there is some weird, weird vibes...ick

Statler is sooooo sooooo ... idk... i would keep my distance. Something is really, really off about her

Oh yeah! She's a scapper!! ;)

I think you mean.... "when Shannon is in DRUNK, she calls you constantly, but once she's SOBER (HUNGOVER?), she's nonexistent". Drunks love their drama and chatter. Afterwards. of course, Shannon begs everyone not to devulge what she said in her drunken ramblings. I'm sure she doesn't remember herself. As much as a hate people enabling her, this is all her problem. She's the only one responsible and the only one who could be accountable. AND ICKY REMAINS AN UNREPENTED CANCER SCAMMER.

Welp. RHOC has FINALLY jumped the shark. Adding the cancer scamming, screeching, vomiting hag back into the lineup is a bridge too far even for me and i've been a loyal watcher since the first episode. Shannon is a drunk dimwit and Tamra is white trash who doesn't possess the skill set necessary to effectively "stir the pot" and "earn her orange". Heather's attempt to sit back and grift off the show without having to actually contribute content makes her a non entity. And the remaining women aren't a compelling enough hold anyone's attention (though i almost appreciate Emily's attempt to ramp up drama by trying something....anything...to entertain viewership.) My apologies to my fellow message board cohorts...i couldn't even work up the interest to read through your (always) insightful and witty comments. It was a good run. Peace out! :)