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I was thinking the same about getting rid of MJ. I'm not sure if Phaedra and Kate picked up on MJ's loyalty being questionable, but I definitely thought MJ should have been up for consideration. Even with them keeping John around and murdering MJ, they still had the numbers. Kate, at least, should have picked up on MJ being curious enough to vote for Phaedra. That's because when Peter took Phaedra to the other room to distract her, Trishelle talked to Kate, Sheree, Sandra and MJ about voting for Phaedra. MJ indicated that she was willing to consider it (which I'm sure the producers made that a prominent moment just to leave us with the cliffhanger they gave us). However, I'm not sure if Kate, who seemed like she really wanted to save Phaedra, passed that information to Phaedra. Right! Phaedra used the other traitors as a shield. They were bigger and more obvious targets than she was, and she relied on that. Also, I'll add that Janelle has said that Phaedra would also do some "traitor hunting" with her, speculating about who might be a traitor.

I watched the first UK season. It was phenomenal! It gave me everything I like about reality TV. I agree. The way they acted was suspicious. People clocked Dan right away. However, I feel like their gameplay wouldn’t have changed all that much if they were faithfuls. Yes, Dan single-handedly tanked Phaedra’s game. Phaedra was on a sinking ship ever since. I thought maybe Parvati could have thrown Phaedra a bone when she was voted out and said something like “Phaedra, my vote is for you but I’m pretty sure you’re not a traitor” because Parvati did learn that Phaedra had some loyalty to her fellow traitors and Phaedra never threw them under the bus. I think Parvati tanked her own game. They suspected Parvati before Dan did anything.

So they’ve been purposefully giving us the subpar shit and shoving it down our throats, while holding back what looks like a pretty decent All Star season.

And constantly having to fight. I assume there's a roundtable everyday. Constantly having to defend yourself against people who are just relentless, never letting up, gets tiring. Knowing your name will always be called out and written down, no matter what you do or say, is exhausting. Granted, they don't have a ton of information to work with but it's hard to defend yourself against "evidence" that would be meaningless in the real world, but mean everything in The Traitors. It's hard to defend yourself against people's perceptions of how you should react, how should say things, and how you should emote. If I'm being bombarded with that all the time, at some point, I'd just say "fuck it."

I don't think she knew but I mean once Kate couldn't give a name, I felt that was a sign to Sandra that something was up or it should have been a sign. Kate said they should save Phaedra for another day because there is someone else that could be a traitor. However, Kate is talking with three people. There is only seven people in the house. That only left Trishelle and Sheree, both of whom everyone is convinced are faithfuls. I felt that couldn't have been more obvious, especially for a Survivor player, that something was up the moment Kate couldn't give a name since she's pushing to vote someone else other than Phaedra. On Survivor, that would sound some alarm bells. If you're pushing to vote someone else out, you better have a name ready to say. I'm right there with you. I feel like they really wouldn't see it coming. I really want to see the shocked looks on their faces. It would be nice revenge because I was rooting for Phaedra. Once Dan called her out, I figured at best she would be voted out at the end anyway... but I at least wanted her to make it to the end even if she was voted out. I also would like Trishelle to lose. I want all the Peter Pals to lose. And then only do 2 or 3 murders. I understand Cirie's perspective from last season when she said the reason she didn't share the prize with Arie was because she felt Arie came in as a traitor at the last minute. Arie didn't deal with that stress from day one.

It would be oddly satisfying if Kate won. Although Kate did too much when voting for Phaedra. She said way too much. Sandra is right to be a little suspicious of that because, unless we're missing something that happened (which is not out of the realm of possibility), Kate calling Phaedra "selfish" came out of nowhere.

Air date: February 29, 2024

I didn’t know she was as popular as she was for her antics on season one, at least popular enough to be invited back this season. I barely remember her from season one.

I’ve listened to so many interviews from the cast about this episode and previous episodes from Janelle, Sandra, Trishelle, Ekin-Su, Parvati, and Marcus Jordan… and maybe a couple others. With the exception of Janelle and Sandra, they are not generous with details and events that we don’t see on TV. For any part of the story that they can fill, Sandra and Janelle will tell you what happened, what led up to it, what they were thinking, what everyone did and how everyone reacted. Everyone else pretty much leaves you starving. I suspect they only do the “ultimatums” when there is one traitor left. On both his show and season 1 of the UK show, the “join me or be murdered” ultimatums only happened when there was one traitor left. Therefore, I assume those only happen when there is one traitor left. If Peter had become a traitor and was left with Phaedra, I don’t think there would have been an ultimatum either.

Why does All-Stars 4 look like it has a better cast than the last 10 seasons of the flagship?

I like the All-Stars season 4 trailer more than I liked the entirety of season 39.

We're finally getting season 4 of All Stars!

We're finally getting season 4 of All Stars!

Same.

Crave TV almost got my money just so I can watch all the international shows 😂 I was a credit card number away from subscribing until @Irlandesa said they’re coming to Peacock next month. I can wait one month for free 😁

I'm pretty sure they did the ultimatum the same way in the UK show. In the ultimatum, the lone traitor picks a Faithful to give an ultimatum to, "join me as a traitor or die." If the Faithful accepts, the traitors then get to murder someone else. Literally everything, down the challenges.

They take two weeks to film an entire season?

Where are you finding those? 😭 I know one season of Australia is on Peacock.

I'm conflicted. I liked the first season. The whole reason I watched season 1 was because Cirie was in it, and I liked her from Survivor. I liked it enough to watch all of it. I liked the mechanics of the game, but I didn't overly love the season. I love the second season with the reality show stars. The drama is intensified. I feel like they play harder than the regular people did on season 1, which I like. That put me on the side of having more reality stars appear on the show. However, I've now watched season 1 of The Traitors UK. I assume the cast was all regular non-reality people before the show. Since I don't watch any UK reality TV, they were all regular people to me anyway. The UK season 1 show was phenomenal. All of the things that I like about season 2 of the US show with the reality stars, the regular UK people gave me all of it. It was good drama and they played hard. Maybe a compromise can be had here? US reality stars mixed with regular UK people?

I think that trying to murder Bernie was Dan and Parvati’s mistake, not so much Phaedra’s. That one move marked Dan and Parvati’s downfall. That move did nothing for Phaedra. It didn’t hurt her game. Phaedra’s mistake, I guess, was trusting Dan but I understand how she couldn’t foresee that Dan would have dragged her down with him.

I liked Daniel Dae Kim as Ozai. I thought that was a good choice. Although I expected the story to be condensed, I wasn't prepared for how much condensing there would be. The series was good enough that I'd watch a second season.