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I’ve listened to so many interviews from the cast about this episode and previous episodes from Janelle, Sandra, Trishelle, Ekin-Su, Parvati, and Marcus Jordan… and maybe a couple others. With the exception of Janelle and Sandra, they are not generous with details and events that we don’t see on TV. For any part of the story that they can fill, Sandra and Janelle will tell you what happened, what led up to it, what they were thinking, what everyone did and how everyone reacted. Everyone else pretty much leaves you starving. I suspect they only do the “ultimatums” when there is one traitor left. On both his show and season 1 of the UK show, the “join me or be murdered” ultimatums only happened when there was one traitor left. Therefore, I assume those only happen when there is one traitor left. If Peter had become a traitor and was left with Phaedra, I don’t think there would have been an ultimatum either.

Why does All-Stars 4 look like it has a better cast than the last 10 seasons of the flagship?

I like the All-Stars season 4 trailer more than I liked the entirety of season 39.

We're finally getting season 4 of All Stars!

We're finally getting season 4 of All Stars!

Same.

Crave TV almost got my money just so I can watch all the international shows 😂 I was a credit card number away from subscribing until @Irlandesa said they’re coming to Peacock next month. I can wait one month for free 😁

I'm pretty sure they did the ultimatum the same way in the UK show. In the ultimatum, the lone traitor picks a Faithful to give an ultimatum to, "join me as a traitor or die." If the Faithful accepts, the traitors then get to murder someone else. Literally everything, down the challenges.

They take two weeks to film an entire season?

Where are you finding those? 😭 I know one season of Australia is on Peacock.

I'm conflicted. I liked the first season. The whole reason I watched season 1 was because Cirie was in it, and I liked her from Survivor. I liked it enough to watch all of it. I liked the mechanics of the game, but I didn't overly love the season. I love the second season with the reality show stars. The drama is intensified. I feel like they play harder than the regular people did on season 1, which I like. That put me on the side of having more reality stars appear on the show. However, I've now watched season 1 of The Traitors UK. I assume the cast was all regular non-reality people before the show. Since I don't watch any UK reality TV, they were all regular people to me anyway. The UK season 1 show was phenomenal. All of the things that I like about season 2 of the US show with the reality stars, the regular UK people gave me all of it. It was good drama and they played hard. Maybe a compromise can be had here? US reality stars mixed with regular UK people?

I think that trying to murder Bernie was Dan and Parvati’s mistake, not so much Phaedra’s. That one move marked Dan and Parvati’s downfall. That move did nothing for Phaedra. It didn’t hurt her game. Phaedra’s mistake, I guess, was trusting Dan but I understand how she couldn’t foresee that Dan would have dragged her down with him.

I liked Daniel Dae Kim as Ozai. I thought that was a good choice. Although I expected the story to be condensed, I wasn't prepared for how much condensing there would be. The series was good enough that I'd watch a second season.

Sandra did another podcast interview, and she explains that the whole reason she tells Phaedra to aim for Trishelle is because they wanted CT to get the shield over Trishelle. She says that she's thinking CT is in "The Leftovers" and Trishelle is in the opposite alliance, forgetting in that moment that CT and Trishelle had known each other for over 20 years. She didn't realize in that moment that trying to get CT a shield would have rung some alarm bells with CT. Also, Sandra says that even though she may think or suspect that Phaedra is a traitor, Sandra believes that Phaedra is protecting her. At this point, Sandra believes banishing Phaedra only hurts her game. I believe she's said this before.

He would have definitely had an easier time naming Parvati. Parvati was the only other name that would have feasibly been voted out if it wasn't Dan. Parvati and Dan were the names that had the most buzz when Dan was voted out. Dan was unwilling to throw Parvati under the bus. Didn't they offer a deal to Dan to flip on Parvati? or is that my imagination? Some of the cast in their exit interviews have said that Dan just waited too late to throw out Phaedra's name. Instead of drawing his red strings and sleeping on it, Dan should have been spreading seeds about Phaedra earlier than he did. Dan waited until people were already committed to voting for him. It was too late to turn their heads away from Dan.

I actually think Phaedra wouldn’t have done that to him. i remember Cirie explained why she got rid of Arie in the end, and she said something like Arie wasn’t a traitor for that long. Arie had only done one or two murders, meanwhile Cirie had been going through the stress of being a traitor from day one. She felt he didn’t deserve it. I’m not sure if Arie being there from day 1 would have made a difference but that’s what she said. Phaedra, on the other hand, put some genuine trust in her fellow traitors. Had they made it to the end together, I don’t think she would have gotten rid of them. On the flip side, I think Dan and Parvati would have done it to Phaedra though 😂

I think that made up about 0.5% of her suspicion about Phaedra and Dan’s input made up the other 99.5% of it.

In the first season of the UK version, one guy turned on a traitor every time he was in the hot seat. He would go apeshit just about every time he was in the hot seat. It was entertaining to watch. I just finished season 1 of the UK show. It was amazing!

Yes, the purpose was to take the suspicion off of himself. I don't see that purpose as a distinction. Calling out a fellow traitor is calling out a fellow traitor, no matter the purpose. I understand he could have called out anyone and put that same heat on anyone else also. I understand it's not directly confirming that Phaedra is a traitor, which I assume is against the rules, it still feels like he confirmed that she was a traitor. It's like you have to figure out Blue's clues, and Dan gave 2 of the 3 clues. 😂

I'm usually the first one to say there is no fairness in these games. The players just have to play the hand they're dealt and not the hand they wish they had. ...but I just can't stop thinking about Dan, a person that happened to be a traitor and clearly knows who other traitors are, calling Phaedra out as a traitor and that just seems unfair. I'm not sure if Phaedra makes it out of this hole but it doesn't seem like she's getting out any time soon. So far, her downfall just seems to always go back to a confirmed traitor calling her out. Sure, they point to her her eye-twitches, her body language, and her composure as if they are masters at reading people. They have their "bullet points" as they say, but the one thing they never let go of is the fact that a confirmed traitor forcefully called Phaedra a traitor in front of everybody. Some cast members, Janelle and Sandra most notably, have said they didn't suspect Phaedra. I believe Bergie said in one of his interviews that he doesn't really look at Phaedra until Dan calls her out. Sandra outright said in one of these podcasts that Dan really blew up Phaedra's game. That just feels unfair and that conflicts with my thoughts on "fairness" in these reality show games.

Berna did the same to Nurys in this season (in her interviews, not to Nurys' face). Berna complained about Nurys going off about nobody having her back, excusing it as it being Nurys' fault that she was on the outs. However, apparently, it was forgotten that she was crying, complaining, and had an attitude at the start of the season because she felt isolated from everyone in the house and alone. I cracked! up! every time Berna complained about having to drink that nasty mix. I cracked up every time she was "I can't do it." I laugh when she cried. It felt like I was laughing at Fessy. This was me: I think so but they've done that over the last few finals. Instead of a cumulative time of all the stages determining the winner, they're playing for an advantage on the next stage. They were playing for safety, sabotages and head starts. Then, the final stage is a foot race to the finish with some equalizing checkpoints along the way.