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Agreed. She doesn't deserve her children. She doesn't deserve peace. She deserves a lot of bad things. But she doesn't deserve murder. At this point, though, Jenelle isn't really the concern. Maryssa and Ensley are growing up witnessing all the women and children in their lives be horrifically abused. Kaiser at least has someone else (Doris- I'm not holding out for Nathan), as does Jace (thank God for Barbara). Maryssa has had one mom who was abused by her dad, but also apparently so neglectful/abusive herself that she lost custody TO THE ABUSIVE DAD. Ensley has only ever seen abuse. They are both going to meet very bad ends.

Supposedly Ensley was removed by CPS. https://www.tmz.com/2019/05/15/jenelle-evans-david-eason-daughter-ensley-removed-cps/

Well, it's pretty clear Aspyn is gonna be the first polygamous Brown child.

Exactly! I hate sports and never had a single birthday party centered around physical activity. We had little girl cutesy-makeover parties at the house, sleepovers, theme parks, costumed characters, dinners out, board game competitions, going to see a play, going to the movies, paint your own pottery parties...and I went to other kids' parties where we went to a science center or kids' museum, or had someone come to the house to analyze our handwriting or tell fortunes or something. It is seriously NOT hard to find tons of party options that have nothing to do with running around. My husband basically did all the errands when I was breastfeeding for this reason.

Yep. Allowing him to play with her just shows they don't respect the court order. It's not about the single game of pool, it's that they clearly don't think their son is 'being treated fairly,' which means that he's very unlikely to get much better since he's being so catered to.

I've never been a big Chelsea fan-- she always seemed like a pinnacle of mediocrity to me, pretty lazy, and wayyyyy too obsessed with guys-- so I'm not surprised at how immature she came off in parts of this episode. Still, what Donna is doing would piss me off royally. She is making excuse after excuse for her son and her behavior is controlling and manipulative. I think Adam being off the show was a good idea for them, because if I saw him every week having mama's-boy excuses made for him by Mama and Papa Bear while he confused to be a heartless deadbeat, I'd forget all about how annoying Chelsea can be and just focus all my hatred on him. They know that the less audiences see him, the better.

I mean, look how her dad talks on Instagram, and how Mama Dawn behaves! Class is not in their DNA. I didn't see anything "slutty" in the video, though- she's dressed age-appropriately and dancing age-appropriately too. I just don't think she should listen to the song. I'd be more concerned about the references to drugs and violence than anything else, honestly...little kids should be listening to little kid songs.

Cole seemed like he was lying when he was telling that story about the interaction.

I get that Jeremy is working hard and is angry about how he's being portrayed, and I've always respected his work ethic, but he sure does know how to be ultra trashy on the internet. Like, really, you'd win over a lot more people without the white ass/ass licking/blow job references...seriously, you can just make an argument with regular words. I promise.

I'm extra bitter because Kailyn came out with all that "girls are crazy, that's why I don't want to date them" crap a while back, when really she was just screwing over her girlfriend at the time for a fuckboy. I've been with both men and women in serious relationships and we realllllly don't need Kail out here perpetuating every damn stigma about bisexual people in the world just because her latest baby daddy doesn't want her.

Apropos of nothing, but- does anything else really not like Lauren? I find her to be a total yes-woman and extremely grating. It's like she wants to pretend to the world that she and Javi are a beautiful married couple in a rock-solid, stable relationship when really he was hoing around as badly as Briana or Kailyn ever did, and she happened to be the one it stuck with...

I feel sort of bad/hypocritical because I'm a BIG swearer and Trying to Quit (in front of kids), but dang, that's a lot of swearing in front of little ones.

omg. WE KNOWWWWW you want Coley Baby to be Aubree's adoptive dad. WEEEEE KNOOOOOOWWWWWWW

"So we don't end up like you did." OOOHHHH SHIIIIIIIIIT

It's not even fun to watch Kailyn pretend to be "badass" anymore while she flies off the handle. It used to be kind of funny in a secondhand embarrassment sort of way, and now it's just...embarrassing. Also, why does this bitch think she's the only person on the planet? She doesn't have to look presentable, but everyone else does. She doesn't want to pay child support, but other people should have to.

@Rebecca, super true. Gracie seems kind of sassy in general so I wouldn't be surprised if she's sometimes rude to Ali just on her own- Ali seems to have a very different temperament and to be a bit more thoughtful and reserved, while Gracie is more outgoing and blunt. But if they've talked about her disability the same way they've talked about it among the adults, I'm sure Gracie is confused. She's heard all her life that Ali is 'sick,' but could walk/do cheerleading/whatever if she just tried harder or pushed herself. I'm sure she's like "why don't you just learn to do X?" Re: Jeremy, I've always gotten from him that he's certainly no deadbeat given his very strong work ethic. But still, it wouldn't kill him to check in more often and call when he knows that's what his daughter wants. It seems like he prioritizes "me time" and time with his girlfriend of the moment a little more than her when he does have off. Still, it's hard to disrespect him too much when he so obviously works very hard, which is more than I can say for practically anyone on this series.

Gotta agree there. I might sound like a "jellus hatter" but sometimes I do think about what I could do with all that extra money, even the supporting/sideline cast members' relatively small salaries. All you have to do is save it while also working a relatively normal, typical job 40 hours a week, and you're set for years to come! Maybe not in the way a lot of the cast members would like to be, but you'd have a very, very nice nest egg if all you did was work for $15 an hour full-time, live affordably, and then save all the TM money.

He definitely said "Here I am trying to figure out how I’m going to fix the air conditioner," but I guess he could have meant they eventually had to get a new one...? I think Leah's man lives in an AirBnB. I don't mind the guy too much but he does seem a tad off.

For real- I wouldn't put it past Leah to play damsel in distress, but I could also see her just having trouble parking or driving to begin with. I can't judge her- actually failed the parallel parking part of my driving test both times, but on the second try the lady sighed and passed me anyway because everything else had been fine. If there's going to be rough parking, you're driving my car if you have a driver's license. And it has nothing to do with gender. 😂

Yeah, the only reason anybody brought up a job--because yeah, otherwise I'd think they were living a perfectly comfy middle class lifestyle without many needs that weren't being met--was because Jo painted it otherwise. Not being able to fix a broken AC seems pretty paycheck-to-paycheck to me; wouldn't it usually be $1000 or less? I was surprised by that. And yeah, he honestly seemed a bit jealous of Kail in that scene. I get it, it'd suck to have been with such a bitch and see her making tons of money doing nothing (especially when she sucks SO bad), but *shrug* neither do most people in life, ever. Regardless, I don't think anybody in the whole thread expressed any kind of sadness that Kailyn was paying or a thought that she shouldn't 😂 The Kailyn hatred is universal, like liking Mister Rogers or not enjoying traffic. It brings us together. Beautiful in a way, really. Unlike her butt implants.

I wonder what the ratio would be of hate watchers to non-hate watchers?

That's all definitely true, though he said a few seasons back to Dr. Drew that he didn't have a job and didn't need one, at least on the show, so I think there was at least a stretch where he pretty much thought "whatever." I'm not saying he's "unemployed" or anything, just that if my kid had to sleep on the couch because of a broken AC and I wasn't already working 70-hour weeks or taking on multiple jobs, I'd certainly start so s/he wouldn't have to. Child support would not be my solution to that. Though, as others have said, maybe that's how the lawyers have told him to frame it, so can't fault him there if that's the case. And as always, this has nothing to do with the CS thing to me-- Kail should pay up and pay well, she's forced him to pay plenty that she didn't need and filed false PFAs whenever a boyfriend pissed her off, so I have negative levels of sympathy for that bitch.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel. F*ck Kail but Jo has always come across as whiny and lazy to me. Don't like your Suburban, Kail? Don't like that your AC can't get fixed right away, Jo? Get a job, y'all. It's one thing if you're working 50-60 hours a week, really tired and struggling and still unable to get what you need...but that's definitely not the case with these two. Why does anybody need to be paying anything at all? I think Kail definitely needs to pay up now, though, because of all the child support Jo has totally unnecessarily paid her basically because she whined and wanted it. If all things were equal except their income (assuming both were making enough as a baseline, which they do), I'd say nobody should pay. But IMO she owes him now for all the money he's shilled out to her for no reason.

Yeah, agreed, I HATE driving and everyone from in-laws who visit to every person I've ever dated has been encouraged to drive my car everywhere we go. I learned to drive late after spending adolescence/college in NYC and taking the subway and it always just makes me a tad jittery. But the routine dentist appointment? Yeah, super weird. Leah seems to be doing better these days and I'm happy she's advocating for Allie and seems to be mentally healthier, but she always seems to do this super codependent/needy/damsel in distress of the holler thing every time she gets a boyfriend.

Yeah, sorry if it sounds "mean" but they're just...not smart. It's not that they're too perfect to watch, they're just so dim. It's nicer than the rest of the cast, which is basically a drawn-out episode of Maury (or in Jenelle's case, COPS) except for Leah these days, but still.